By Dr. Jim Dahle, WCI Founder
Whenever possible, it is best to learn from the financial mistakes of others rather than your own. For example, I've made the mistake of using a commissioned financial advisor who sold me crappy, expensive, loaded mutual funds; I've bought whole life insurance; and I've incurred unnecessary taxes in a taxable account due to not fully understanding the kiddie tax laws.
Luckily, these mistakes pale in comparison to financial errors made by some of our colleagues. A 2011 thread on Sermo, a physician-only forum, revealed 175 of the biggest financial mistakes other physicians have made before you, and I've detailed them below.
Consider this a financial “Morbidity and Mortality Conference.” It is painful to listen to sometimes, but it's better than making each mistake on your own. Add your experiences as a comment at the end of this post.
Doctors' Biggest Financial Mistakes
Here are some of the bad moves made by docs.
#1 Getting Ripped Off
- Working with a “financial planner” who specializes in working with physicians getting yourself into whole life insurance. (Skip this mistake and use a WCI-vetted financial advisor)
- Overpaying for legal advice ($3,500 to review an employment contract).
- Buying a universal variable life insurance policy as an “estate plan.”
- Investing with Bernie Madoff.
- Listening to brokers/financial planners/coin dealers.
- Not realizing that the goal of brokers is to take your money and make it theirs.
- Giving OTHERS control of substantial sums of MY money.
- Hiring an expert to manage my money. This guy charged 1% per year on the balance. Got a call from the fraud division of the FBI and they seized all my money. After about two years sweating, [I] got it back without interest. Taught me to learn about investing. I decided I may not be a pro, but I won't steal my own money.
- Investing (before I learned about personal finance) through a professional who gave “free” advice steering me to load mutual funds and life insurance with high fees.
- Listening to an attending during med school for stock picking advice.
- Paying a lawyer to do my tax returns for 10 years. . . He charged $10,000 for a return that a national tax preparation company does for $1,500 or less.
- Allowing myself to get talked into a variable annuity when I was a chief resident. Bought it at roughly market peak; it sank with the market in 2001-2002. Paid lots of charges and surrender charges when I got rid of it three years later to buy my first house, and due to the nature of [the] variable annuity, I didn't even get to write the losses off on my taxes . . . Stay away from those RIPOFF variable annuities; get a tax-deferred or even taxable account like everyone else.
- Relying on money managers for too great a percentage of my net worth . . . It's best to learn enough to oversee a lot of your assets on your own.
- Bought front-loaded mutual funds.
- Getting ripped off to the tune of $11,000 for a real estate closing by my lawyer who charged by the hour. Took his fees right out of the mortgage check before I ever saw it.
- Buying a timeshare, buying a variable annuity, buying whole life insurance, and depending on brokers to make financial decisions.
- Stock tips from friends, relatives, or cab drivers should be avoided at all costs. Those free financial newsletters are just scams. What they touted are probably their own holding which they will sell when your rush to buy them pushes up the stock price transiently before they fall off the cliff.
There is a common theme here, and it is one I tackle frequently on this blog. You need to be very aware of how and how much your advisors are paid. This includes financial planners, stockbrokers, insurance agents, realtors, attorneys, accountants, and investment managers.
As a general rule, people don't go into these fields for the same reason firefighters and kindergarten teachers choose their jobs. There is no Hippocratic Oath among financial professionals. It is your job to understand how much you're paying and whether that is a fair price. Understanding how the person advising you makes their money also helps you understand their conflicts of interest.
More information here:
Is Whole Life Insurance a Scam?
Don’t Invest in ‘Too Good to Be True’ — Lessons Learned from an Alleged Ponzi Scheme
#2 Insurance Issues
- Not buying disability insurance.
- Divorce-related situational depression issues resolved in the past impacting a disability insurance application. [EDITOR'S NOTE: This was mentioned multiple times]
- Not getting own occupation disability insurance on the first day of residency.
- Bought too much useless, expensive insurance.
Well, no one said they wished they'd bought more life insurance. Of course, there's a real survivorship bias there. All those dead guys who should have bought more aren't here to tell us. Buy plenty of the insurance you need and avoid the insurance you don't.
#3 Personal Finance Issues
- Using credit cards.
- Buying too big of a house.
- Should have listened to Dave Ramsey and completed his course about eight years earlier.
- Spent too much on a wedding.
- Credit card debt in med school.
- Marrying a fiscally irresponsible spouse.
- Spending $600 to replace the clutch on a $1,000 car [and] then donating it to charity two months later.
- Sending my kids to a private college in the future ($50,000 a year, what a waste!).
- Quitting one job before I had another. (Thankfully savings helped me through that transition.)
- Buying a used Jeep and not noting it was burning out its engine from an oil leak.
- Not being aware of recurring automatic charges. I signed up for AOL when it first came out. Had automatic recurring credit card charges of $24.95 a month for over 14 years (the wife paid the bills) for essentially nothing that you cannot get for free now. Just stopped it when our credit card had to be changed.
- Not saving as much as possible early in my career to take advantage of compound interest.
- Allowing lifestyle to creep upward with increasing financial success.
- Keeping the house in the divorce—I had to spend $76,000 repairing it to then short-sell at a >$200,000 loss. I'll be paying on the loan I had to take for the repairs for the next 15 years.
- Giving my daughter a credit card (for “emergencies”) when she entered college in Boston.
- Not starting 529 plans for kids early enough; not investing aggressively enough.
There you have it. A lot of accumulated experience that may save you thousands.
These are mistakes made every day by millions of people. They aren't particularly specific to doctors, but doctors certainly make them as much or more than other people. Spend less than you earn; be wise with your cash; and if, heaven forbid you get divorced, take the 401(k) and not the house.
#4 Investing in the Financial Markets
- Trading options.
- “Greed,” and it cost me $2 million.
- Buying and selling individual stocks (in this case selling Apple and buying Bank of America).
- Falling in love with a single stock lost me $40,000.
- Buying on margin.
- Not spending enough time tracking investments.
- Panicking and selling when the market goes down.
- Only putting $10,000 into some start-up called AOL.
- Bought and lost a bundle on companies that I had no idea what they did (I don't even want to think about the dot.coms).
- Not getting out of the market in 2000. Lost a lot of money that took years to make up.
- Thinking I could time the market.
- Bought Lehman bonds in 2007.
- Holding Lehman Brothers stock, hoping for rebound and Fed to rescue and eventually lost all (quite a substantial amount).
- With just a few stocks, my dad and I lost about $400,000.
- Getting cold feet and bailing out of the market when it had bottomed out in November 2008.
These are common mistakes among all investors. It is important to be widely diversified, to avoid trying to time the market, and to develop an investing plan with which you can stick. An index fund investor owns all the Apples and AOLs in the market, so if you don't want to miss the next one, buy a total market index fund.
#5 A Bit of Cynicism
- Getting divorced. [EDITOR'S NOTE: Mentioned multiple times]
- Having children. [EDITOR'S NOTE: Mentioned multiple times]
- Falling in love with the wrong woman . . .
- Not listening to my wife.
- Going to law school (an MD/JD who never used the JD).
- Going to medical school/becoming a physician. [EDITOR'S NOTE: Mentioned multiple times]
- Going into primary care. [EDITOR'S NOTE: Mentioned multiple times]
- Staying in academic practice.
- Marrying my second wife after a whirlwind courtship. Twelve years later, she had an affair with a rich lawyer and took half and left. Just after I educated her ungrateful children.
- Went into internal medicine.
- Letting my first wife have access to the checkbook for too long before splitting.
- First marriage ($800,000 down).
Cynicism aside, if the first rule of physician personal finance is “Spend Less Than You Earn,” then surely the second is “One House, One Spouse.” Divorce is emotionally devastating and financially devastating. Most docs that get divorced never really fully recover. Stock market losses pale in comparison. This section also illustrates the importance of choosing your specialty wisely. If you like pediatrics and ophthalmology about the same, shouldn't you consider that one will allow you to have a much better lifestyle?
More information here:
Navigating the Finances of Divorce
Life’s Detours and Speedbumps (Before Milestones)
#6 Lifestyle Choices
- Buying a timeshare.
- Not saving for retirement when I had the chance.
- Chasing women.
- Spending too much remodeling and landscaping homes I thought I would stay in long term.
- Moving to a town where we did not fit.
- Buying the toys that I love to play with.
- Built our dream home. We did it smart and cost-conscious and came in under budget, thank goodness, and we love it. But I wish I hadn't done it now as I could retire sooner if I hadn't done it
- Not saving more (but I like my toys).
- Making $200,000 playing online poker during med school and blowing half of it on clubbing, girls, and watches instead of investing it.
- Working at a low-paying academic job for several years between college and medical school.
- Practiced in a small community.
- Dumping $75,000 into a pool/backyard in my first house out of residency then leaving a year later. Recouped $0.
- Purchased a small sailboat. There is credibility to the saying, “The happiest days as a boat owner are the day you buy it and the day you sell it.”
- Accumulating more things than I need (having too much stuff is a burden).
- Vacation home (fun but money pit), boat (not fun and money pit), and health club investments.
- Bought into the idea that we “deserved our dream house,” so built an absolutely ginormous copper roof-Corian-granite-marble-cherry-Viking-Subzero-custom everything post and beam ego stroke and promptly realized that we did not want to work 60 hours a week forever to pay for it.
- Realize now that every time you buy something expensive, you are affecting how long and how hard you will work prior to retiring. That's fine if you love spending 60 hours a week at work and see yourself doing it until you're 70. But if not, think twice before getting the big house, the nice car, the boat, the pool, or sending the kids to an expensive private liberal arts college. It's also very expensive to change jobs. Choose your job and the community it is in wisely.
#7 Practice Management Issues
- Going into practice with a narcissist.
- Starting a primary care practice on my own.
- Merger that sounded too good to be true (it was)—cost was $150,000 to a pediatrician.
- Going into solo practice (general surgeon).
- Paying more than the going rate for an employee.
- Hiring someone with more training than I needed (RN vs. LPN, etc.).
- Devoting myself to seeing patients and trusting the office staff to do the clerical work. They either didn't perform well or stole from me.
- Seeing patients who need help but do not believe that they need to pay their bills. [EDITOR'S NOTE: Good luck with this, emergency docs!]
- Starting a practice in a neighborhood going downhill.
- Joining practices out of residency where the senior partners were excellent physicians but couldn't manage a lemonade stand.
- Not watching over my billing company.
- Not managing the assets receivable when I closed my practice.
- Lost over $250,000 when Medical Manager billing system went belly up, bought out by WebMD, and did not take care of smaller practices . . . billing went into cyberspace for six months . . . we were able to paper-bill for most of it, lost my practice, gained a new understanding of the business of medicine.
- Bringing in partners . . . I would do it alone the next time.
- Getting a laser for my office. Cost a fortune—still paying it off, a fortune in advertising, increased malpractice about 15%. Most months it is in the red.
- Staying in group practice when I should have gone solo years earlier.
- Starting a single practice. Between the employee problems and expense probably was never financially worth it.
- Joining a practice management group.
- Staying in one of those 90s “Group Without Walls” deals that cost me a year's income for two years of participation.
- Allowing settlement of a malpractice claim that should have been defended. Made getting affordable PLI very difficult for several years.
This was one of the most enlightening parts of writing this post. It's relatively easy to read a few good personal finance and investing books to avoid most of the problems listed previously. But practice management is something that doctors generally just learn as they go, making all the same mistakes over and over again. If you're going to run your own practice, you must realize that you need to spend a certain part of your working time and education time on running a profitable practice.
More information here:
Thinking About Selling Your Medical Practice? Here’s What I Learned
Our 5-Year Update After Starting a Medical Practice
#8 Contract Issues
- Joined the wrong practice.
- Accepting a position in a group of dishonest, deceitful physicians that most likely carry a DSM IV diagnosis.
- Not having my contract reviewed by an appropriate attorney.
- Not reviewing employment contract.
- Signing a non-compete agreement with a 100-mile barrier.
- Not getting a partnership promise in writing.
- I trusted doctors and started my practice without an income guarantee based on promises by PCPs in the area (an endocrinologist).
- Trusting that employed physicians will show up for work and do their job on a salary.
- Building a new office with four partners and not making sure everyone was individually liable for their part of the loans. After one split, two divorced, and we closed the practice, I got us all out for $100,000 of “stupid tax” each.
Read your contracts and have them reviewed by an appropriate attorney. Don't make the mistake of thinking they are set in stone. They aren't. Make sure all verbal promises are in the contract.
Looking to increase your income or renegotiate an existing contract? Hop on over to the WCI physician contract review page, where you can find vetted lawyers and compare your contract to other docs.
#9 Real Estate Issues
- Buying two houses at the market high with plans to renovate them, flipping one and living in the other.
- Buying a house right out of residency.
- Owning two houses at once.
- Buying and selling houses at the wrong time.
- Bought first house with first job (rather than renting).
- Not taking the first offer on a house.
- Falling in love with a house cost me $200,000.
- Bought high, sold low on a house.
- Used builder's appliances instead of getting my own.
- Underestimating repair costs on rental properties.
- Not doing due diligence on real estate purchases.
- Buying into a hot real estate market.
- Built a house in residency.
- Buying a house too late.
- Buying a house too soon.
- Buying the biggest house I could afford.
- Buying too much house at the peak of the bubble.
- Refinancing house in 2008 just as market took a nose dive.
- Not listening to my wife when we could have bought two acres of land on Nantucket in the late '90s for $250,000.
- Remortgaging my house at the age of 59 to pay for renovations that cost more than I ever dreamed of.
I was surprised how many errors were listed that were related to real estate. Some are simply a matter of having to live through the real estate crash as a homeowner. But many are a matter of buying a home at the wrong time in your personal or professional life. I have found quite a bit of ignorance among physicians on topics related to real estate. Since your home is the biggest purchase you'll ever make, it pays to spend some time learning how to get a good deal on the home and the mortgage to pay for it. If you get into real estate investing, realize that you're playing in an inefficient market against some real professionals. If you're not sure who the sucker at the table is, it's you.
#10 Loans
- Taking out too many student loans.
- Taking too long to pay off student loans.
- Lending money to in-laws who just declared bankruptcy.
- Lending money to friends. [EDITOR'S NOTE: $4,000 from one poster, $100,000 from another]
- Getting too big of a mortgage.
- Taking out enormous student loans.
- Loaning $10,000 to my younger brother for investment. It tanked.
- Medical school debt.
- Borrowing money on a paid-for house to play the stock market with full-service commission trades just before the “dot.com” crash, and to buy other single-family dwellings with nonpaying renters a year or two before the subprime real estate-induced recession.
- Loaning $30,000 to stepfather-in-law to fix up his townhouse to sell for $500,000 or so (he thought). Market tanked, and it couldn't be sold. Then he got demented and was robbed blind by drug-using “friends.” So far he's paid back $3,000, and likely that's all we'll see.
- Loaned “Alan's” business $10,000—return = $0; loaned “Rose” $5,000—return = pennies on the dollar; loaned a family member a house—return = less than zero (I pay the property tax); loaned another house to an in-law right before she had a massive attack of transverse myelitis—return = less than zero (but she has mostly recovered so I AM grateful).
- Taking out loans for medical school that I did not need. All paid off but money wasted.
A few common themes here. First, don't loan money to family. Make it a gift. You're less likely to give as much as you'd loan, and in the end, you'll be out less money. Second, minimize your student loans. Last, don't treat your house like an ATM.
#11 Bad Investments
- Lost $60,000 in a franchise deal.
- Lost $16,000 investing in a surgical center.
- Investing in family member's ideas.
- Paying too much due to ignorance of its true value or lack of patience.
- Various dumb doctor deals.
- Bought a truck repair business to get my son-in-law mechanic set for life . . . I found out that the reason he remains a mechanic is because he isn't a self-starter but a wrench-turner. It cost me $125,000.
- Built a 50,000-square-foot medical center in my underserved community when lots of docs were looking to move into the area. As construction was underway, the healthcare reform debate started. All docs that were interested in moving/expanding their practices pulled out, frightened by what the future would hold. Now on the hook for an $11 million facility at 50% capacity. (Fortunately, I am a minority partner.)
- Going in with HCA on a surgery center a few years ago. Play with snakes, and you will get bit.
- Being caught up in the rare coin and gold investment mania of the '70s.
- Investing in savings certificates in a company dealing in sub-prime loans in 2002 before the bad publicity hit. It went under; I lost $250,000.
- Investing in mezzanine financing of condos before the crash . . . three projects paid well, the last one was a total loss.
- Private placement apartment real estate limited partnership with debt assumption—general partner went bust, and after bankruptcy, the “forgiven debt” came back to limited partners as PHANTOM INCOME, with the IRS demanding $80K taxes due within 30 days.
- Investing in an office building—construction was very delayed, tenants dropped out, and I was left holding the bag.
- Buying 2009 season tickets to the St. Louis Rams. I live in Kenosha, Wisconsin, so I'm hundreds of miles away. I ended up donating most of the $3,000 worth of tickets to the Rams' charity. It seemed like a good investment for reselling at the time.
- Investing in a limited partnership in the '80s.
- Investing in 3dfx and a hotel in Costa Rica.
- Bought an airplane as an investment (I don't even fly it).
- I sold all my stocks my grandmother gave me to invest in the ambulance service I worked for. When it went bankrupt, I lost my job and my savings.
- I twice purchased small farms; big, big mistake. Lost mucho dinero.
- Investing in an oil well on the advice of a friend.
- Once only, I thought it was OK to take a flyer (gamble) on an oil well for $48,000.
- I got involved in a partnership diagnostic center. I lost a lot of money in it.
This is one of the most fascinating sections of this series. There are an unbelievable number of “dumb doctor deals” out there. Keep your investments simple. As a doc with a relatively high income, you've already won the retirement “game.” You can save 20% of your income, invest relatively conservatively, and retire well. You don't need to be investing in stupid stuff. Most investments presented to doctors don't treat the doctors fairly, according to one financial adviser interviewed on this site.
More information here:
How This Financially Literate Doctor Got Scammed Out of $75,000
Beware of Pump-and-Dump Schemes
#12 Miscellaneous
- Having a relative do my taxes.
- Not taking my dad's business and building it into a local household name.
- Having [an] ego.
- Believing the military HPSP “Scholarship” actually was a scholarship, and not just a particularly restrictive employment contract.
- Staying longer in the private sector than I should have.
- Getting a loan tied to a mortgage for a start-up distributorship business, which I did so my hubby has something to manage—but apparently [he] is not REALLY interested in.
- Not taking some business courses in college.
- Giving up my public safety pension to go to med school. Although the ex would probably have gotten half anyway, I am now working harder in my 50s while all my contemporaries at the time are retiring at 75% salary.
- Staying in the military when civilians were getting paid like real doctors and retiring and working in private practice now when we aren't.
- Taking 10 years to wise up regarding how aggressively to work to maximize the profitability of my labor.
There you have it. One hundred and seventy-five different ways your colleagues have lost money. I'm sure there are 175 more ways to lose money. Too many of us feel that talking about money is taboo, so we just keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Learn from the mistakes of others!
What are your biggest financial mistakes? What other experiences do you (or better yet, those of a colleague!) have that could help benefit others?
[This updated post was originally published in 2011.]
Hi,
I am just starting your book and was sent over here. I am just out of residency and am about to start work as an independent contractor in emergency medicine. I decided to open up a 401K through a group that works with mass mutual. Basically I work, money is automatically funneled into a massmutual account and the guy that works at the company takes a little bit off the top.
I have already sent one check from my residency 401K to get rolled into that account but the whole thing seems kind of fishy. Any tips and how I can go about getting out of this contract with that company?
What does the “contract” say? I bet there is none, meaning you can open an individual 401(k) elsewhere (etrade, Vanguard, Fidelity etc) and move your money into it and make future contributions to it. Why not spend the rest of this year learning about investing and finances and start off 2016 on the right foot with a new individual 401(k) plus some backdoor Roth IRAs?
I think that is a good plan.
I actually requested the paperwork that I signed again and it looks like if I ever get to greater than $2M the cost of the managed portfolio is 2.2% which is the lowest it will ever be. I kind of flubbed it.
2.2% is awfully high.
Dear WCI
I am in need of urgent help and advise
I am only 44 yrs old, was diagnosed with Prostrate CA last year, s/p radical robotic prostatectomy, now in remission, my dad passed away from esophageal cancer 1.5 years ago
Here is my situation, I know how very busy you are and need help.
1. I am married, my wife and 11 yr old daughter are dependent on me
2. I was the owner of a Psychiatry Hospitalist Group but the Medical Billing Company failed to collect almost more than 1 million over 1.5 year time frame
3. I was the owner of a part time private practice Pacific Neuropsychiatry and Sleep and the same Medical Billing Company failed to collect almost 250k over 1.5 years
(I used to work 14 to 16 hour days and nights via phone and almost most weekends, sacrificing my personal and family life and this medical billing company has not collected as promised)
4. I had to close both practices and find a State job in a remote California location about 4 to 6 hours drive away from home.
5. I now work a W 2 job 5 hours away from home, and come home on 3 out of 4 weekends so again missing family life again
6. The medical billing company abruptly stopped billing for both my practices
7. The medical billing company via its Attorney sent me a notice to pay for fees which were unwarranted as I was already and had already paid them 6 to 8% of collections
8. In response to their Attorney letter, my company counsel at the time located in MN, initiated a law suit against this company
9. When I realized he was charging me tooth and nail and promised my malpractice insurance would pay when there was a cross complaint, and he didnt do the basic work of finding out if the medical billing company had any insurance, I decided to go with a local Los Angeles based law firm
10. This firm is also charging me a lot and no one had advised me to get business protection insurance or income loss insurance
11. The medical billing company after months of waiting and denying they had insurance, the Hartford insurance accidentally called my new Attorney and we found out that she had comprehensive business liability insurance.
12. I am now over 35 k in Credit card debt and cannot enjoy any personal or family time and the medical billing companies are attacking me with their pool of attorneys asking for this and that evidence etc.
13. How can I get my rightfully deserved income which the medical billing company didnt collect
Also, coincidentally the person handling my case at the medical billing company and I retained her and she prepared a comprehensive report showing negligence and defeciences on part of the medical billing company
The court date is in Sept 2017 and these attorneys are making a huge amount of money on both sides
Please show me a way out I dont want stress to affect my health
Best
OCMD101
As far as the legal situation, I’d work with your attorney.
As far as the stress, I’d focus on uniting your family and getting your personal finances on track using your current income. That probably means moving your family to where the work is, living frugally, and paying off your credit card debt.
If it doesn’t look like you’re going to get any money out of this lawsuit, then quit paying the lawyers and walk away. If it does, then see if they’ll work on contingency.
Thank you.
I have spent more than 25 k on Attorneys and they said since the medical billing company has Hartford insurance, there is a high likely hood of getting 1 million or mediating with the insurance company if we provide enough evidence. I have paid a third party biller almost 8 to 9 k and a collection agency, the attorney wants another independent biller to make the case stronger, the chances of winning are quite high, the question is when? My family will not move from an Academic town like Irvine CA to a remote town in Central CA
Do you have any legal recommendations or attorneys you work with.
Also, would you suggest to continue investing in Roth 401k and 457b, I have 60k so far and 80 k in Pension savings, or pay of 35 k CC debt?
Sounds like it is worth fighting. No, I don’t know an attorney in your state that does litigation like this that I can refer you to.
I would pay off credit cards before investing anything other than what is required to get any possible match.
But I’ll be honest, I’m lost why you’re in such dire straits that you’re borrowing on a credit card as a practicing physician at 44. Your med school costs should have been pretty low. You’ve only lost a few thousand on attorney fees and you only got hosed by your billing company for 1.5 of the last 15 years. You had an illness but it sounds like you’re back working. If you were out longer than a few months, didn’t disability insurance kick in? Where’s the rest of the money you’ve earned since getting out of residency ~15 years ago? I know Irvine is expensive (spent a month there in residency) but it’s not THAT expensive. Did you pay your employees out of your pocket even though there was no money coming into the business or something?
Also, which is worse, being away from your family or moving them to Central California? My family has followed me to some less than ideal places to keep the family together. Is there really no work closer than 5 hours away from Irvine? That seems unlikely given how many people live in Southern California. But if that’s your long-term work situation, I think it’s time to move the family.
LOVE the WCI brand, good job. I know how you find the time, we doctors are crazy hard workers. What do you do with the time you were studying when you were residency after you become an attending? Develop a business and manage your own finances of course…
MISTAKES:
1. Buying an office building for more than the appraised value, from relatives, touting their financial acumen saying it would *surely* continue to increase in value. In 2008.
2. Going all in with a medical spa business and above mentioned real estate investment. Which tanked after 2008, resulting in us having to declare BANKRUPTCY to get out of the deal. Still owe my mother a considerable amount of money which she borrowed from her paid off house to help us start the business.
3. Not taking the chance to move to a state with no income tax.
4. Paying for several years of private school for our kids (now in public school).
5. Allowed a bookkeeper, accountant and lawyer to take advantage of our naivete.
6. Working for a failing practice under a less than market value contract out of residency.
SUCCESSES:
1. Buying our house with a fixed rate, 30 year loan when everyone else was getting a variable rate loan at a mortgage payment we could afford after flipping a smaller house with a 150K profit. In a place we love to live with great neighbors.
2. Getting jobs (hubby and I are both internists) as full time hospitalists in a very busy underserved area paying very high compensation and thus boosting our combined income by over 700K per year allowing us to recover from the horrible financial mistakes of our past and not work until we’re 95. Yep making 1M combined with just internal medicine certification.
3. Hubby put over 35K in 403b during residency from which we were able to borrow 10K to get into the first house that we flipped (paid off a long time ago).
4. Getting into an excellent low cost public university for medical school and refinancing loans at very low interest rates in ’99-’00.
5. Putting as much money as we could afford in the kids’ 529 accounts even in the bad times.
6. Avoided financial planners and excessive insurance.
7. We now use an excellent accountant.
8. Married the right person. Super important. You can recover from anything with a good spouse at your side. Had kids while in residency and very very early in practice.
9. Taking the time to become knowledgeable about our financial health and develop a strong financial plan while emotionally letting go of the prior mistakes.
10. Taking care of our emotional and family health by prioritizing healthy activities, travel, and exercise in our disposable income and not engaging in highly expensive activities (fancy cars, airplanes, country clubs etc.).
Thanks for sharing your story!
Someone mentioned this blog post on a forum thread. Some conflicting information, it seems.
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/forum/insurance/173496-disclosure-of-depression-history-on-life-insurance-application
I replied to the question on the forum. I see no conflict, just a dilemma best resolved by working with an independent agent.
Mistakes I’ve made:
Paying no attention to money at all in my early career
Not investing earlier
Lots of little purchases ($20) for convenience here and there really adding up
Taking out max loans and not being frugal in med school
Putting down roots in a high cost of living, high tax city
Wonderful blog, good luck out there everyone! 🖖
Not investing enough in equities in the late 70’s early 80’s because fixed income was paying double digits
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Great post. Thank you
Assuming you will add crypto few years down the line🤷♂️
My biggest mistake was franchise restaurant. Lost 400k and still tied to the white elephant. Apparently doctors are great loan guarantors.
Second biggest mistake: startups. We never have a day and whenever the deal happens, we are at the short end of the stick. Lost 100k total in various deals
Third mistake: crowdstreet funding. 4/5 deals are in capital call. Made money in 4 previous deal. Now not sure how to analyze them. It is market timing issue🤷♂️
Investing in business is also my greatest achievement. Have several that pay 20-25%v return.
Fast forward 5-10 years and bitcoin will be added to this list.
I probably would have guessed that 10 years ago too though and so far so good. 2024 has been about as good for Bitcoin as any other.
They say comparison is the thief of joy, but for me it looks like not when it comes to seeing other people‘s mistakes. I feel so bad for these docs that got screwed financially. Makes my $50,000 loss with whole life insurance pale in comparison.
Interesting buying a luxury car was not on this extensive list, at least not specifically.
Funny how so many WCI people extol the financial benefits of driving their 20yo Camry or whatever.
My take away is that most doctors that buy luxury cars realize they are an expensive splurge but enjoy the experience of owning them.
Money spent on vacation splurges also doesn’t seem to be mentioned.
The truth is most docs don’t get sunk by an expensive car or vacation. Now rotating that car every three years might do it, but even that most high earning docs can just outearn.
Compare the long term cost of a house that is 2-3x gross income, private school for your kids (and then private college), or getting divorced versus that that 60k Tesla for 10 years or annual 5k vacation. The Tesla/Vacations are essentially a rounding errors.
True, but just because it can be a small error doesn’t mean it isn’t an error. Ignore too many things like that and you end up being one of those docs in your 60s with a net worth under $500K (11-12% of docs in net worth surveys).
As a financial advisor, I’ve seen many clients make similar mistakes, such as holding onto declining stocks or trying to manage their investments without professional guidance. The solution is simple: always work with a fee-only financial advisor who has a long-term perspective on your financial goals. By doing so, you’ll avoid costly mistakes and have a clear strategy in place. Whether it’s managing investments or planning for retirement, partnering with a trusted expert can make all the difference in securing your financial future
A good post and unfortunately true for many people, not just physicians. Your comment #1 about financial planners resonates with many people, I’m sure. I spoke with a physician a few days ago who said he had a fee only financial planner. He said his advisor charges him $1,500 per year and is with Ameriprise. He explained he was managing his money (about $2 million) and that was included in the $1,500. I helped him discover that he was also paying 100 bps for the management or about $20,000 in addition. I’m amazed at how many people don’t know what they are paying. Plus in this case he wasn’t really getting financial planning.
That is the problem as you have stated so many times with commission or AUM fee-based advisors. There seems to be no transparency.
I for years work with an advisor who was a lawyer, CPA and CFP, however, since he was paid through AUM fees and commission, I didn’t know who’s retirement plan he was working on.