By Dr. Jim Dahle, WCI Founder
Setting up a Backdoor Roth IRA can be confusing, so I thought I’d put together a tutorial on the steps people can refer to when they go through this process. Let's get started.
Table of Contents
- What Is a Backdoor Roth IRA?
- Who Should Do a Backdoor Roth IRA?
- When to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA?
- Backdoor Roth IRA Pros and Cons
- Backdoor Roth IRA Tax Implications
- Backdoor Roth IRA Steps
- How to Fix and Prevent Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
- Backdoor Roth IRA FAQs
What Is a Backdoor Roth IRA?
Despite its name, a Backdoor Roth IRA is not an account; it is a process with two steps:
- Contribute to a Traditional IRA.
- Complete a Roth conversion.
If you understand the rules of both of these steps, putting them together is no problem.
Who Should Do a Backdoor Roth IRA
Remember that if you are a low earner you can just contribute DIRECTLY to a Roth IRA and skip this Backdoor Roth IRA process.
Roth IRA Limits and Conversion Rules
Low earner is defined as a Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) under a phaseout range in 2024 of $146,000-$161,000 ($230,000-$240,000 Married Filing Jointly). Some docs—like residents, employee dentists, part-timers, and even some medical attendings in the lower-paying specialties who are married to a non-earner—can just contribute to a Roth IRA directly.
Anyone who earns at least $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) can contribute $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) to an IRA [2024]. If your income is below a MAGI of $146,000-$161,000 ($230,000-$240,000 Married Filing Jointly), you can contribute directly to a Roth IRA. If you have a retirement plan offered to you at work and your MAGI is below $77,000-$87,000 ($123,000-$143,000 Married Filing Jointly), you can deduct your traditional IRA contributions. Since most readers of this blog have a retirement plan through their job and have (or soon will have) a MAGI over $240,000, they will find that they can't make direct Roth IRA contributions or deduct their traditional IRA contributions. Thus, their best IRA option is the Backdoor Roth IRA process, i.e., an indirect Roth IRA contribution.
Spousal IRAs
Married physicians should be using a personal and a spousal Roth IRA, and you will usually need to fund both indirectly (i.e., through the Backdoor). This provides an additional $7,000 each ($8,000 for each spouse that is 50+) of tax-protected and (in most states) asset-protected space per tax year, and it allows for more tax diversification in retirement. Tax diversification allows you to determine your own tax rate as a retiree by deciding how much to take from tax-deferred (traditional) accounts and how much from tax-free (Roth) accounts. Remember that IRA stands for INDIVIDUAL Retirement Arrangement, so even if the pro-rata rule (discussed below) keeps you from doing the Backdoor Roth IRA, it doesn't necessarily keep your spouse from doing so. Each spouse reports their Backdoor Roth IRA on their own separate 8606, so the tax return for a married couple doing Backdoor Roth IRAs should always include two Form 8606s.
Married Filing Separately
The contribution and deduction income limits are particularly low if you are filing your taxes Married Filing Separately (MFS). Both the ability to contribute directly to a Roth IRA and the ability to deduct a traditional IRA contribution if you (or your spouse) are eligible for a retirement plan at work phase out between $0 and $10,000. Basically, the best option for anyone filing their taxes MFS is the Backdoor Roth IRA process, i.e., an indirect Roth IRA contribution.
There is an exception to these rules if you do not actually live with your spouse. In that case, your ability to contribute directly to a Roth IRA phases out between a MAGI of $146,000-$161,000 in 2024. If you live separately and are not covered by a retirement plan at work, you can deduct a traditional IRA contribution no matter your income. You can still do a Backdoor Roth IRA process in these situations where your IRA contribution is either partially or completely deductible. The tax bill will be precisely the same: $0 when done properly. However, instead of having no tax cost for either the contribution or the conversion, your deduction on the contribution will precisely equal the tax cost on the conversion, resulting in that same $0 tax bill for the entire process.
Mega Backdoor Roth IRA
A Mega Backdoor Roth IRA is completely different from a regular Backdoor Roth IRA. Despite its name, you actually do a Mega Backdoor Roth IRA with a 401(k), not an IRA. It requires a 401(k) that accepts both after-tax (not Roth) employee contributions and allows for either in-service withdrawals (and thus conversions to a Roth IRA) or, more commonly, in-plan conversions. Using the Mega Backdoor Roth IRA process, one could put as much as $69,000 ($76,500 if 50+) [2024] per year into a Roth 401(k) (or possibly a Roth IRA in addition to your usual $7,000-$8.000 contribution). However, this process has nothing to do with the Backdoor Roth IRA process we are discussing in this post.
When to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA
Lots of people wonder about the timing of a Backdoor Roth IRA.
IRA Contribution Deadline
There is really only one deadline to meet with the Backdoor Roth IRA process. IRA contributions for a given tax year must take place between January 1 of the tax year and April 15 (even if you file an extension) of the following year.
Backdoor Roth IRA Conversion Deadline
The conversion step may take place at any time. It can take place the next day or even the same day as the contribution. I don't recommend it, but you can wait months, years, or even decades between the contribution and the conversion step. There is no deadline for Roth conversions. If you need to perform a rollover or a conversion of a traditional, rollover, SEP, or SIMPLE IRA in order to avoid the pro-rata rule, you have until December 31 of the year you do the conversion step.
When Should You Contribute and Convert?
You should do both steps as soon as possible. Many white coat investors do the IRA contribution step and the Roth conversion step the first week of January each year. This maximizes the amount of tax-free compounding that can occur on those dollars. Minimizing the time between contribution and conversion and doing both steps within the calendar year is not required, but it certainly simplifies the paperwork.
Want to really make your paperwork complicated? Contribute to your IRA each month and convert it each month. Then, you have 12 contributions and 12 conversions to keep track of each year. Seriously, though, if you make enough money that you have to contribute to your Roth IRA(s) through the Backdoor Roth IRA process, you make enough to do it at one time each year.
Can I Do a Backdoor Roth IRA Every Year?
Yes. My wife and I have done one every year since 2010 and do not plan to stop until we no longer have any earned income. It is just one of the investment chores we perform once a year.
5-Year Rule
One factor that may push you to do a Backdoor Roth IRA earlier is the five-year rule. Now, there are at least three five-year rules related to IRAs, but the main one to pay attention to here is the five-year rule after a Roth conversion. This rule determines whether the withdrawal of principal from the account prior to age 59 1/2 will be penalty-free. The five-year period starts on January 1 of the year you do the conversion, so it could be a little less than five years. Roth IRA principal generally comes out tax- and penalty-free (it is only the earnings that may be subject to penalties), but that is only the case after the five-year rule has been fulfilled.
In essence, if you do a conversion of a Roth IRA at age 51, you can then withdraw the principal tax- and penalty-free starting at age 56 rather than age 59 1/2. This can provide funding for living expenses to early retirees. If you do a Roth conversion at age 57, you still get access to that principal (and earnings) tax- and penalty-free at age 59 1/2. So, it's five years or age 59 1/2, whichever comes first.
There is also a completely separate five-year rule on IRA contributions, but this starts from the time you make your very first IRA contribution, not every contribution, so it should not apply to most early retirees.
Backdoor Roth IRA Pros and Cons
There are a lot of great things about the Backdoor Roth IRA, but it isn't all peaches and cream.
Pros of Backdoor Roth IRA
The main benefit of a Backdoor Roth IRA is that it provides you with another retirement account. Via the Backdoor Roth IRA process, you can continue to contribute to a Roth IRA even after your earnings rise above the income limit for direct Roth IRA contributions. Retirement accounts eliminate the tax drag that applies in a taxable, or non-qualified account, reducing your taxes and allowing your investment to grow at a higher rate so you can reach your goals sooner.
How much can that tax protection be worth compared to a taxable account? It depends on the return of the underlying investment, its tax efficiency, and the amount of time the money is left in the account. At my marginal tax rate, $10,000 earning 8% in a tax-inefficient investment over 50 years would grow to $469,000 in a Roth IRA but only $88,000 in a taxable account. More realistically, over 30 years, the use of a Roth IRA vs. a taxable account for a tax-efficient investment would still result in 29% more money.
Retirement accounts ensure simple estate planning. By using beneficiaries, that money does not go through the probate process, so your heirs get it sooner with less hassle, more privacy, and no cost. They can even stretch the tax-protected growth benefit for another decade after they inherit the account. Retirement accounts like a Roth IRA also provide substantial asset protection in most states, meaning that in the admittedly very rare event of a dramatically above-policy limits judgment that isn't reduced on appeal, you can declare bankruptcy and still keep what is in your retirement accounts. Roth money is tax-free forever, so by continuing to contribute each year, you can increase tax diversification in retirement.
Cons of Backdoor Roth IRA
Roth IRAs, even when you contribute via the Backdoor Roth IRA process, are still retirement accounts with all of their downsides. Retirement accounts limit the investments you can put in them and prohibit the use of margin investing. If you withdraw Roth IRA earnings prior to age 59 1/2 without an approved exception, you will owe a 10% penalty.
Due to the pro-rata rule (see below), the Backdoor Roth IRA process requires you to either convert or roll over into a 401(k) any traditional IRAs, SEP-IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs you may have. If you have self-employment income, you will need to use a solo 401(k) instead of a SEP-IRA to shelter that income from taxes. Doing Backdoor Roth IRAs each year also adds one form (IRS Form 8606) per spouse to your tax return. If preparing your own taxes using tax software, it can be tricky to ensure the software reports the process correctly. If you do a Backdoor Roth IRA instead of (rather than in addition to) maxing out your tax-deferred accounts during your peak earnings years, that can also be a mistake that results in the accumulation of less money.
Perhaps most significantly, there are now two steps to getting money into your Roth IRA each year instead of just one. While I think the process is pretty darn simple, I am continually amazed at all of the unique ways that doctors manage to screw it up. Later in this article, I'll show you how to fix all of those screwups.
Is a Backdoor Roth IRA Worth It?
Yes! Most of the time. It really is just a little bit of hassle to do each year, although there may be some additional hassle the first year if you need to take care of another IRA first to avoid the pro-rata rule. There may be times when someone has a large traditional IRA they cannot afford to convert to a Roth IRA and cannot roll over into a 401(k) because they don't have a 401(k) at all, their 401(k) charges high fees, or because the IRA assets are invested in something they cannot invest in within a 401(k). If your employer-provided retirement account is a SIMPLE IRA or a SEP-IRA, the Backdoor Roth IRA process is also probably not worth it. Finally, some multi-millionaires don't want to bother with even the minor hassle of the Backdoor Roth IRA process because getting an extra $7,000-$16,000 a year into Roth accounts just isn't going to move the needle for them.
Backdoor Roth IRA Tax Implications
Roth IRAs are all about avoiding taxation on earnings, so naturally, there are lots of tax implications of this process.
Pro-Rata Rule
The most important tax implication to be aware of is the pro-rata rule. I would estimate that 90%+ of Backdoor Roth IRA screwups involve the investor having his or her conversion pro-rated. When you report a Roth IRA conversion on IRS Form 8606 (see below), there is a pro-rata calculation made. The numerator is the amount converted. The denominator is the total of ALL traditional, rollover, SEP, and SIMPLE IRAs, but not 401(k)s, 403(b)s, 457(b)s, Roth IRAs, or inherited IRAs. Therefore, it is critical that you DO SOMETHING with any IRA balance you have PRIOR to December 31 of the year in which you do a Roth conversion of after-tax money. Later in this article, I'll describe the exact options you have for what to do with this money.
Tax on Backdoor Roth IRA Conversion
Done properly, there is NO tax on a Backdoor Roth IRA conversion. Zero. Nada. Zilch. While the money you put into a Roth IRA (indirectly via the Backdoor in this case) was taxed when you earned it, it is NOT taxed when you contribute it directly to a Roth IRA or when you contribute it as a non-deductible IRA conversion or when you subsequently convert that money to a Roth IRA. In fact, it is never taxed again.
Do I Need to Worry About the Step Transaction Doctrine?
There used to be a concern that the IRS would have a problem with the Backdoor Roth due to an IRS rule called The Step Transaction Doctrine. This rule basically says that if the sum of a bunch of legal steps is illegal, then you can’t do it. Some wondered if this Backdoor conversion from a Traditional IRA to Roth was a legal transaction considering this doctrine. Those concerns, valid or not, are no longer an issue. The IRS clarified in early 2018 that no waiting period is required between the contribution and conversion steps of the Backdoor Roth IRA. It has essentially given its blessing on the whole process. Waiting just makes things more complicated on the 8606, as discussed in Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA.
How to Report a Backdoor Roth IRA on TurboTax
Reporting the Backdoor Roth IRA properly on TurboTax is unfortunately even more complicated than filling out Form 8606 by hand. The key to doing it right is to recognize that you report the conversion step in the Income section but you report the contribution step in the Deductions and Credits section. Since you generally do the income section first, you report the conversion before you report the contribution, even though you actually did the contribution before the conversion. At the end, you want to look at the Form(s) 8606 that TurboTax generates, just like you would check up on one filled out by an accountant.
More information here:
How to Report a Backdoor Roth IRA on TurboTax
Backdoor Roth IRA Steps, Tutorials, and Walkthroughs
In this section, we'll explain exactly how to do the Backdoor Roth IRA process and how to report it on your tax return, whether you file on paper or using tax software. You can easily walk through these Backdoor Roth IRA steps at Vanguard, complete a Backdoor Roth at Fidelity, or knock out a Backdoor Roth IRA at Schwab, three of the most popular brokerage/mutual fund companies.
How to Perform and Report on Paper the Backdoor Roth IRA Process
While it is really just a two-step process, it is best to think of it as a six-step process. These steps don't all have to be done in order (it might be easier to do Step 3 before Step 1), but they will all need to be done.
Step #1 Contribute to a Traditional IRA
Make a $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) non-deductible traditional IRA contribution for yourself and one for your spouse. You can use the same traditional IRA accounts every year—they just spend most of the time with $0 in them. Most fund companies, including Vanguard, don’t close the account just because there is nothing in it. I do this every January 2.
Step #2 Leave the Money in Cash
An account like a traditional IRA is not an investment, of course; just like a suitcase isn't clothing. When putting money in a traditional IRA, you also have to tell the IRA provider how you want to invest. In this case, just leave the money in cash, whether a money market fund or a settlement fund. At Vanguard, the settlement fund is the Federal Money Market Fund. You really don't want to have any gains (or especially any losses) between the contribution and conversion step because it makes the paperwork more complicated. The best way to minimize the gains is to leave it in cash (and then of course to do the conversion as soon after contribution as possible to minimize the “pennies” issue).
Step #3 Convert the Traditional IRA to a Roth IRA
Next, convert the non-deductible traditional IRA to a Roth IRA by transferring the money from your traditional IRA into your Roth IRA at the same fund company. If you don’t already have a Roth IRA there, you’ll need to open one. This can be done in a minute or two online at Vanguard, and it is essentially the same process as opening the traditional IRA. I do this the very next day after I make the contribution. It is very straightforward. When you transfer the money, the website will throw up a scary banner saying something like “THIS IS A TAXABLE EVENT.” That’s true. It is taxable. But the tax bill will be zero since you’ve already paid taxes on the $7,000 and couldn’t claim your contribution as a deduction because you make too much money. You can do Step 3 basically immediately after Step 1. Some companies will let you do it the same day. Other companies will make you wait until the next day or even a week or so. But there is no reason to wait months to do it.
Step #4 Invest the Money
Now you will need to select an investment for the money in your Roth IRA. If you already have an investment in there, you can simply add $7,000 to it. Otherwise, you will need to select an investment in accordance with your written investing plan. If you do not have a written investing plan yet, you can leave the money in cash or put it into a Target Retirement 2050 fund or another lifecycle fund until you get that part of your financial plan worked out.
Step #5 Beware of the Pro-Rata Rule
Get rid of any SEP-IRA, SIMPLE IRA, traditional IRA, or rollover IRA money. The total sum of these accounts on December 31 of the year in which you do the conversion step (Step 2) must be zero to avoid a “pro-rata” calculation (see line 6 on Form 8606) that can eliminate most of the benefit of a Backdoor Roth IRA.
You can get rid of these IRA accounts in three ways:
- Withdraw the money (not recommended, as the money would be subject to tax and/or penalties, not to mention DECREASING your tax-advantaged/asset-protected investment space).
- Convert the entire sum to a Roth IRA. Only recommended if it is a relatively small amount and you can afford to pay the taxes out of current earnings or taxable investments with relatively high basis.
- Roll the money over into a 401(k), 403(b), or individual 401(k). 401(k)s don’t count in the aforementioned pro-rata calculation. Some physicians even open an individual 401(k) at Fidelity, eTrade, or Vanguard (rollovers from traditional IRAs to solo 401(k)s is a recent addition to Vanguard) in order to facilitate a Backdoor Roth IRA.
Step #6 Fill Out IRS Form 8606 Correctly
The next part of the Backdoor Roth IRA is done months later when you (or your accountant) fill out your IRS Form 8606 on your taxes. Don't forget to do it or there is a $50 penalty. Remember that you need one form for each spouse: INDIVIDUAL Retirement Arrangements. You need to double-check this to make sure it is done right, even if you hire a pro to avoid screwing up this part. Advisors have told me that they have had to help clients fix dozens of these that tax preparers have done improperly. If you don't do it right, you'll pay taxes twice on your Backdoor Roth IRA contribution.
Page 1 (below) shows a “distribution” from your non-deductible IRA. Since the money was already taxed, the taxable amount on your distribution is zero. Line 1 is your non-deductible contribution. On Line 2, your basis is zero because you had no money in a traditional IRA on December 31 of last year (if you've been carrying a non-deductible IRA for years, this may not be zero). Line 6 is zero in a typical year. Note that TurboTax may fill this out a little differently (may leave lines 6-12 blank), but you end up with the same thing. Line 13 is the same as line 3, so the tax due is zero.
Here's an example from the 2023 version of Form 8606.
On page 2 (below), you are showing the Roth conversion. I'm not really sure why you have to do this twice (since you're just transferring the amounts from lines 8 and 11 and then subtracting them), but that's what the form calls for. As you can see, a Roth conversion of a non-deductible traditional IRA contribution without any gains is a taxable event; it's just that the tax bill is zero for it.
When double-checking your tax preparer's work, you want to concentrate on lines 2, 14, 15c, and 18, and make sure they're a very small amount, like zero, and not a very large amount, like $7,000. The form can get more complicated if you are doing other Roth conversions at the same time or if you made a contribution for the previous year (i.e., made your 2022 contribution in 2023). See below for more details.
Notice how there is no place on the form to put the date when you made the contribution or the date when you made the conversion. It isn't on the form your IRA custodian sends to the IRS (1099-R) either.
Do It All Again Next Year
You do not have to wait any period of time between the contribution and conversion. Each year, I make my Traditional IRA contribution on January 2, then convert it to a Roth IRA the next day or within a few days. That gets my investment money working as soon as possible and simplifies the record keeping. Vanguard won’t let you do it the same day (sometimes other providers will), so I have to wait one day anyway. Occasionally they'll make you wait up to a week. If you find you have a few pennies left in the account and are worried you'll get pro-rated, take a look at this post: Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA.
More information here:
How to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA with Vanguard
How to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA at Fidelity
How to Fix and Prevent Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
In this section, we're going to talk about how to fix and prevent common mistakes in the Backdoor Roth IRA process. To better organize these mistakes, we will break down the process into the six very clear steps used above and then will explain possible errors with each step and what to do about them.
6 Steps to Successfully Contribute to a Backdoor Roth IRA
- Step 1 – Contribute to traditional IRA ($7,000, $8,000 if 50+ for 2024).
- Step 2 – Invest the money in a money market fund.
- Step 3 – Move money from a Traditional IRA to a Roth IRA (i.e., a Roth conversion).
- Step 4 – Invest in your preferred investment (typically a stock, bond, or balanced index mutual fund).
- Step 5 – Ensure you have no money in a traditional IRA, SEP-IRA, or SIMPLE IRA on December 31 of the year you do the CONVERSION step.
- Step 6 – Report the transactions correctly on your taxes by filling out Form 8606.
Seriously. That's it. If you can do a cholecystectomy, you can do this. If you can work up a pulmonary embolus appropriately, you can do this. If you can manage hypertension well, you can do this. If you can fill a cavity, you can do this. Super easy.
However, people still manage to screw up on EACH of those six steps. Let's go through the mistakes people make, step by step.
How to Fix Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
Step 1 Error – Contributing Directly to a Roth IRA
An error that commonly occurs with a first Backdoor Roth IRA is that people simply don't realize that their income is too high to make a direct Roth IRA contribution. Instead of doing it indirectly (i.e., going through the Backdoor), which is no big deal even if you're under the limit, they contribute directly to a Roth IRA. Then they realize their Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) is over $146,000-$161,000 ($230,000-$240,000 Married Filing Jointly) for 2024. Now what?
Enter the Recharacterization
If you have made this error, now you have to recharacterize the Roth IRA contribution to a traditional IRA contribution. This basically makes it as though you never contributed to a Roth IRA but contributed to a traditional IRA instead. You usually have to call your IRA provider to get this done, but it's no big deal. In this section, I'll walk you through the details of how to do it.
You have until the due date of your tax return to do this (including extensions). So, if you made an IRA contribution in January of 2023 for the 2023 tax year, you have until October 15, 2024, to do a recharacterization. There's no penalty or anything to do it. You can do the opposite as well if you contributed to a traditional IRA but meant to contribute directly to a Roth IRA.
Bear in mind that starting in 2018, you can no longer do recharacterizations of Roth CONVERSIONS (not contributions). This eliminated the “Roth IRA Conversion Horserace” technique for tax reduction.
Until only a couple of years ago, I had thought there was a waiting period after a recharacterization to then reconvert the money to a Roth IRA. However, that rule was only for recharacterizations of conversions, not contributions. There has never been a waiting period for a recharacterization.
Any gains that occur before the final conversion are, of course, fully taxable at your ordinary income tax rate in the year of the final conversion.
The Income Limit
The first thing to determine is whether this post even applies to you. If your income is below a certain amount, you can just contribute directly to a Roth IRA. That amount depends on several things. First, it is a MODIFIED Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI). That number is very similar to your Adjusted Gross Income (AGI). Remember how tax Form 1040 works.
The first income line you come to is line 7b, your “Total Income.” When people think about income, this is generally what they think of. The third income line on the form is line 11b. This is your “Taxable Income.” This is what your tax bill is actually calculated from. It is basically your total income minus all of your deductions. In between those two, on line 8b, is another income, your “Adjusted Gross Income.” This is “the line” that people are talking about when they use the phrases “above-the-line deduction” and “below-the-line deduction.” If it comes out before your AGI is calculated, it is an above-the-line deduction. These are deductions such as self-employment tax, self-employed retirement plans, self-employed health insurance premiums, HSA contributions, student loan interest, alimony, tuition, and any IRA deductions. If it comes out after your AGI is calculated, it is a below-the-line deduction. These are EITHER your standard deduction OR your itemized deductions, like mortgage interest, state/local/property taxes, and charitable contributions. A MAGI is just a slight tweak to your AGI.
Below are the MAGI limits for direct Roth IRA contributions [2024]. If your MAGI is below the first number, you can just contribute to a Roth IRA directly. If your MAGI is over the second number, you cannot contribute at all. If your MAGI is between the two numbers, you can make a partial direct contribution (most shouldn't bother with this, just do it all through the Backdoor).
- Married Filing Separately (and lived with spouse for at least part of the year): $0-$10,000
- Married Filing Jointly: $230,000-$240,000
- Single or Head of Household: $146,000-$161,000
If you think you'll be anywhere close to that first number, do yourself a favor and just make your Roth IRA contribution indirectly, i.e., through the Backdoor (contribute to a traditional IRA and then convert that contribution to a Roth IRA). Since 2010, there has been no income limit on Roth conversions and there has never been an income limit on traditional IRA contributions, just your ability to deduct them.
How does a MAGI differ from an AGI? It's a very slight difference. Bear in mind that there are other MAGIs out there. We're only talking about the one that affects Roth IRA contributions here. But to get your MAGI, you simply take your AGI, subtract some income from it, and add back in some other income to it. The worksheet showing you how to do this is Worksheet 2-1 in Publication 590.
Basically, you subtract income from a Roth conversion and you add income from IRA deductions (not sure why you'd have this), student loan interest (if you are using this worksheet, you probably don't have this), tuition deduction (you probably don't have this), a couple of rare deductions for foreign income/deductions (you probably don't have these), some savings bond interest you probably don't have much of, and some employer-provided adoption benefits. For most people, your MAGI = your AGI since all of these deductions are pretty rare for the folks worried about this limit for direct Roth IRA contributions. So, focus on your AGI. That means if you contributed directly to a Roth IRA but late in the year realized you probably should not have, one easy fix is to get your AGI below that limit by contributing to an HSA or a self-employed retirement plan like an individual 401(k) or SEP-IRA. Note that giving a bunch of money to charity is NOT a solution to this problem because that is a below-the-line deduction.
How to Do an IRA Recharacterization
If you can't get your MAGI low enough, you will have to do an IRA recharacterization. As far as the IRS is concerned, a recharacterization is as though you never made the Roth IRA contribution at all but made a traditional IRA contribution instead. You don't report a recharacterization separately; you just report a traditional IRA contribution. Keep in mind as you read on the internet about recharacterizations that there used to be two types of them—a recharacterization of a Roth IRA CONTRIBUTION and a recharacterization of a Roth IRA CONVERSION. The second type was outlawed in 2018, but the first one, the one we're talking about today, is still perfectly legal. If you decide you want to undo a Roth conversion these days, you're simply out of luck. Here is how you do a recharacterization of a Roth IRA contribution:
- You tell Vanguard (or wherever your IRAs are) to recharacterize the Roth IRA contribution to a Traditional IRA contribution.
Yup. That's it. The brokerage takes care of the rest. You can read all about all of the rules in Publication 590 Chapter 1 if you want, but that's basically what they say. Don't believe me? Fine. Here are the IRS instructions:
How Do You Recharacterize a Contribution?
To recharacterize a contribution, you must notify both the trustee of the first IRA (the one to which the contribution was actually made) and the trustee of the second IRA (the one to which the contribution is being moved) that you have elected to treat the contribution as having been made to the second IRA rather than the first. You must make the notifications by the date of the transfer. Only one notification is required if both IRAs are maintained by the same trustee. The notification(s) must include all of the following information:
- The type and amount of the contribution to the first IRA that is to be recharacterized.
- The date on which the contribution was made to the first IRA and the year for which it was made.
- A direction to the trustee of the first IRA to transfer in a trustee-to-trustee transfer the amount of the contribution and any net income (or loss) allocable to the contribution to the trustee of the second IRA.
- The name of the trustee of the first IRA and the name of the trustee of the second IRA.
- Any additional information needed to make the transfer.
In most cases, the net income you must transfer is determined by your IRA trustee or custodian.
See what I mean? It's just a phone call. Any earnings that the account had in between the contribution and the recharacterization just go over with the contribution. No big deal.
You have until your tax filing date to do this. Most of the time, that's April 15 of the next year. However, the IRS is even more lenient than that. You actually can do this for an extra six months after your tax filing date, but you will have to refile your return.
Where Do You Report a Recharacterization?
If you hire somebody else to prepare your taxes, you can skip this section. If you do it yourself, you'll need to make sure you report this correctly. According to Pub 590, you report it on our old friend Form 8606.
Pub 590 says this:
Actually, that's really misleading. If you read Form 8606, you will see that the only time it ever mentions a recharacterization is to tell you NOT to put it on the form.
So, what is Pub 590 talking about? They're talking about this section in the 8606 instructions:
Reporting recharacterizations.
Treat any recharacterized IRA contribution as though the amount of the contribution was originally contributed to the second IRA, not the first IRA. For the recharacterization, you must transfer the amount of the original contribution plus any related earnings or less any related loss. In most cases, your IRA trustee or custodian figures the amount of the related earnings you must transfer. If you need to figure the related earnings, see How Do You Recharacterize a Contribution? in chapter 1 of Pub. 590-A. Treat any earnings or loss that occurred in the first IRA as having occurred in the second IRA. You can’t deduct any loss that occurred while the funds were in the first IRA . . . Report the nondeductible traditional IRA portion of the recharacterized contribution, if any, on Form 8606, Part I. Don’t report the Roth IRA contribution (whether or not you recharacterized all or part of it) on Form 8606. Attach a statement to your return explaining the recharacterization. If the recharacterization occurred in 2023, include the amount transferred from the traditional IRA on 2023 Form 1040, 1040-SR, or 1040-NR, line 4a. If the recharacterization occurred in 2024, report the amount transferred only in the attached statement, and not on your 2023 or 2024 tax return.
The bottom line is that you just report this recharacterized contribution on Form 8606 as if it were the regular old non-deductible traditional IRA contribution that you should have made in the first place. You also need to include a statement. What should your statement look like? I would write something like this:
“To whom it may concern:
I made a 2024 Roth IRA contribution of $7,000 on March 13, 2024, because I didn't know about the whole MAGI limit thing when I made the contribution. After becoming smarter, I recharacterized $7,137.14 (original contribution plus earnings) to a traditional IRA on November 4, 2024. Thank you for helping our country fund its government. You're the best.
Hugs and kisses from your favorite taxpayer,
James Dahle”
Seriously, it doesn't say what has to be on the statement, just that there is one “explaining the recharacterization.” You don't even have to tell them why you did the recharacterization. If you had a loss in the account between contribution and recharacterization, no big deal. It's still as though you made a $7,000 contribution to a traditional IRA and THEN it lost money. If you were able to deduct the contribution (you probably can't) you would get a $7,000 deduction. The IRA provider may also send you a Form 5498 (which has the recharacterized amount on line 4), but you don't actually do anything with it when you file your taxes. It's just an informational return.
Reconverting the IRA
Here is where it gets interesting. You've now fixed your mistake in the eyes of the IRS, going from an illegal Roth IRA contribution to a legal traditional IRA contribution (that is probably not deductible for you). But you aren't done with what you meant to do, which is put money into a Roth IRA. You now need to do a Roth conversion. You do it just like you normally would as if you had contributed originally to the Traditional IRA. You can do it the very next day if you like. You can probably even do it the same day; just make sure there is a paper trail showing the money was actually in the traditional IRA at some point. There used to be a waiting period after a recharacterization before you could do a Roth conversion on that money. But that waiting period only ever applied to the recharacterization of a Roth CONVERSION (which was no longer allowed starting in 2018) and NOT the recharacterization of a Roth CONTRIBUTION. So, there is no waiting period. Just reconvert convert it and go on your merry way.
I hope this information helps you fix your mistake. Just do your Roth IRA contributions through the Backdoor going forward, and you won't have this problem again.
Step 2 Error – Not Investing in a Money Market Fund in the Traditional IRA
What happens if you LOSE money in between the contribution and conversion step? This problem is easily avoided by using an investment like a money market fund that does not go down in value for that time period. But some people fail to do so and end up losing money. When they work their way through their IRS Form 8606, they discover they have basis left over that they can then carry forward indefinitely for years! No big deal; it just makes your paperwork more complicated. Perhaps at some point in the future, you'll do a Roth conversion of tax-deferred money and this carry-forward basis will reduce the tax on that event.
What if you MADE money in the account between contribution and conversion? This actually happens most of the time, so I wrote an entire post on it called Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA. Technically, any money earned between the contribution and conversion step is fully taxable at ordinary income tax rates in the year of the conversion. If it is less than 50 cents, you just ignore it. If it's more, you report it on your 8606 and pay taxes on it.
If it is still in the traditional IRA, either do another tiny Roth conversion or leave it there until you do next year's Backdoor Roth IRA process. Either is fine. If you were smart and just used a money market fund and did the conversion as soon as your IRA provider allowed it (usually less than a week and sometimes as early as the next day), this won't be much money and there won't be much tax due.
Step 3 Error – Forgetting to Do the Conversion
If you forgot to do the conversion step for eight months afterward, it could be a huge gain on which you're unnecessarily paying taxes. No way to fix this one, just pay your “stupid tax” and move on.
Step 4 Error – Forgetting to Invest the Roth IRA Money
Even worse than paying taxes on a huge gain is not getting the gain in the first place because you left the money sitting in cash for months. No way to fix this one either. Your “stupid tax” this time comes in the form of opportunity cost. Just get the money invested ASAP to stop the cash drag. Maybe you even got lucky and the market went down in between contribution and investment so now you get to buy low.
Step 5 Error – The Pro-Rata Rule
Some of the most common questions I get are from people who make a late contribution to a Backdoor Roth IRA. What do I mean by late? You are allowed to make an IRA contribution AFTER the calendar year ends. In fact, you have until Tax Day, usually April 15 unless you get an extension of up to six months. While it is to your advantage to contribute to retirement accounts as quickly as possible so that money can start compounding in a tax-protected way, I understand that we all have lots of good things to do with our money and sometimes this gets pushed back into the next calendar year. All it really does is complicate your paperwork a bit.
For example: if you made your 2023 IRA contribution in April 2024, instead of reporting both the contribution and the conversion on your 2023 taxes, you would report only the contribution there. The conversion would be reported on the taxes for the year you did the conversion, i.e., your 2024 tax return due in April 2025. Your 2023 IRS Form 8606 becomes a little simpler and your 2024 IRS Form 8606 becomes a little more complicated. Not a big deal if you can follow the simple instructions.
What confuses people, however, is the pro-rata rule. This is the rule that says you need to empty your traditional IRA by December 31 of the year you do the conversion. Since these folks have never filled out a Form 8606 (or apparently read the instructions), they assume that for a 2023 contribution they need to have a balance of $0 at the end of 2023, even if they didn't do the conversion step until 2024. That's simply not the case. The pro-rata rule isn't applied until the year of the conversion, i.e., December 31, 2024.
Emptying the IRAs
How do you empty those IRAs? You usually have two choices.
- Do a Roth conversion of the whole thing. This is what I generally recommend for small IRAs where the tax bill on the conversion would not be too onerous. It is quick and easy, and it increases the amount of tax-free assets you have.
- Roll the money into a 401(k) or 403(b), either that of your current employer, that of a past employer, or to your own individual 401(k) if you are self-employed. This is usually a better option if you have a large IRA where you would rather deal with the hassle than pay the tax bill during your peak earnings years.
How large is large and how small is small? It's going to vary by the person and how much disposable cash they have. Most would consider an IRA under $10,000 to be small and an IRA over $100,000 to be large. In between, it's a personal decision as to which would be better for you.
What If You Didn't Empty the IRA?
What if you screwed this one up? Your Backdoor Roth IRA conversion step just got pro-rata'd. There is a tax bill associated with that because most of your conversion was of tax-deferred money rather than post-tax money like it was supposed to be.
The fix for this is going to vary by the individual, but the easiest fix is to simply convert the entire IRA to a Roth IRA now, so you end up getting all your post-tax money into that Roth IRA. Another possible fix is to figure out a way to separate your basis in that IRA, roll the tax-deferred money into a 401(k), and then convert the basis left behind in the IRA.
Do yourself a favor and just empty the darn IRA by December 31. Keep in mind that this is usually not an instantaneous process, so don't put it off until you're on holiday break at the end of the year.
Step 6 Error – Screwing Up the Tax Forms
Both individual taxpayers and professional tax preparers screw up IRS Form 8606 all the time. In fact, some of them haven't even heard of a Backdoor Roth IRA. (Incidentally, this is one of the best questions to ask while interviewing a potential tax professional—”How many Backdoor Roth IRAs did you help last year?”)
The usual fix to this error is to file a 1040X (Amended Tax Return) and a new Form 8606. You can do this for the last three years if necessary. If you didn't file Form 8606 at all, you'll definitely want to do this. The key is to check lines 15c and 18 on Form 8606. They should both be a number very close to zero if the form is being completed correctly.
The tax preparer should NOT be filing Form 5439. If you did Steps 1-5 right, this form probably doesn't belong in your tax return.
A lot of people wonder about the 1099-R sent to them by their IRA provider and worry that it was done wrong and that it will cause them to pay taxes they shouldn't have to pay. Sometimes the form was filled out wrong, but mostly this is just a lot of anxiety. What gets people anxious is finding something on Line 2a “Taxable amount.” As long as the box on Line 2b is also checked “Taxable amount not determined,” you're golden. Don't worry about it. If it is not, have the IRA provider send you a new, correct form—either with $0 in 2a or the box in 2b checked (usually the latter). Here's what mine from a few years back looked like from Vanguard:
Note that Box 2b is checked, even though a taxable amount of $5,500.07 is being reported to the IRS.
Again, if you're not sure how to enter this into TurboTax, check out my TurboTax tutorial.
Still Confused About the Backdoor Roth?
Need more help with a Backdoor Roth IRA? I wish Congress would just lift the rule against direct Roth IRA contributions for high earners and save us all this hassle, but who knows if that will ever happen.
- If you made your contribution after the end of the year, check out Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA.
- Here's a step-by-step tutorial for doing a Backdoor Roth IRA at Vanguard.
- Here's a step-by-step tutorial for doing a Backdoor Roth IRA at Fidelity.
- Here is a step-by-step tutorial reporting the Backdoor Roth IRA in TurboTax.
- Here is my prior post on 17 Ways to Screw Up Your Backdoor Roth IRA.
- You can hire a professional to help you—either a good financial advisor or a good tax strategist can assist.
- You can also ask your peers for help on the WCI Forum, the Private WCI Facebook Group, and the WCI Subreddit.
Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA
While it is “cleaner” to make your contribution and your conversion all in the same calendar tax year, you can make your contribution up until your tax filing date of the next year. The key to filling out the 8606 correctly when you make a contribution after the calendar year is to recognize that the contribution step is reported for the tax year and the conversion step is reported for the calendar year. So imagine you did the following during the calendar year 2023:
- Made a 2022 IRA contribution (reported on 2022 8606)
- Did a Roth conversion of that contribution (reported on 2023 8606)
- Made a 2023 IRA contribution (reported on 2023 8606)
- Did a Roth conversion of that contribution (reported on 2023 8606)
Your forms would look like this:
2022 Form 8606 (Only Have to Fill Out Part I)
Note that all this serves to do is report basis for the next year. No tax is due. Since no conversion step was done during the calendar year 2022, you only have to fill out lines 1-3 and 14.
2023 Form 8606 (Must Fill Out Parts I and II)
Note that you've got to do all of Part I plus Part II for this year because you did the conversion step, unlike last year (2022). Let's go through this line by line.
Form 8606 – Part I
- Line 1 – That's the money you contributed for 2023 (which would be $6,500).
- Line 2 – This is your basis. Since you made a contribution for 2022 but didn't do a conversion until 2023, your basis is $6,000.
- Line 3 – $6,500 + $6,000 = $12,500.
- Line 4 – Remember this is asking about 2024, not 2023, and since you won't make the mistake of doing your contribution late again, this will be zero.
- Line 5 – $12,500 – $0 = $12,500.
- Line 6 – This is the line that triggers the pro-rata issue. Even though you made a 2022 contribution, you did so AFTER December 31, so this line would still be zero if you filled it out for 2022, which you didn't because you didn't do a conversion in 2022 and got to skip lines 4-13. But this is the 2023 form and since you converted your entire traditional IRA, this will be $0.
- Line 7 – This doesn't include conversions. Since you didn't take any money out of your traditional IRA this year except the conversion, this is $0.
- Line 8 – You converted a total of $12,500 this year to a Roth IRA, so $12,500.
- Line 9 – $0 + $0 + $12,500 = $12,500.
- Line 10 – $12,500/$12,500 = 1.
- Line 11 – $12,500 * 1 = $12,500.
- Line 12 – $0 * 1 = $0.
- Line 13 – $12,500 + $0 = $12,500.
- Line 14 – $12,500 – $12,500 = $0.
- Line 15a – $0 – $0 = $0.
- Line 15b – You didn't take money out of an IRA to help you survive a disaster, so $0.
- Line 15c – $0 – $0 = $0.
Part II
- Line 16 – Line 8 is $12,500 so $12,500.
- Line 17 – Line 11 is $12,500 so $12,500.
- Line 18 – $12,500 – $12,500 = $0.
Backdoor Roth IRA FAQs
Can I still do a Backdoor Roth IRA for last year?
You have until tax day (generally April 15, but as late as October 15 if you file an extension) of the following year to make your traditional IRA contribution. There is no deadline for the Roth conversion step; it can be done at anytime. Make sure you fill out the paperwork properly according to the section above about late contributions.
Can I do last year's IRA contribution and this year's IRA contribution at the same time and convert them at the same time?
Yes. Just remember to report last year's contribution on last year's Form 8606 and this year's contribution and the conversion on this year's Form 8606.
Does my 401(k), 403(b), 457(b), Roth IRA, or inherited IRA count toward the pro-rata calculation?
No. Only traditional IRAs, rollover IRAs, SEP-IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs count. See line 6 of Form 8606 for details.
What if it is a separate IRA? Does it still count?
Yes. All IRAs count toward the pro-rata calculation.
What should I do with my rollover or traditional IRA to avoid pro-ration?
If it is small, convert it to a Roth IRA along with this year's traditional IRA contribution and pay the tax due on it. If large, try to roll it into your employer's 401(k) or if you have self-employment income, into your individual 401(k).
I got pro-rated. What now?
The easiest solution is to convert the entire IRA, SEP-IRA, or SIMPLE IRA that caused the pro-ration and is now composed of both pre-tax and after-tax money. That is also the most expensive solution. A harder solution that may save you some taxes involves isolating the basis in that IRA by rolling the rest of the account into a 401(k) and then convert just the basis to a Roth IRA.
I am leaving my employer. Should I roll my 401(k) or 403(b) into a traditional IRA? If not, what should I do with it?
If you put it into a traditional IRA it is going to cause any future Backdoor Roths to be pro-rated. Better options include leaving it where it is; rolling it into your new employer's 401(k) or 403(b); rolling it into your individual 401(k); or, if it is small, just converting the whole thing to a Roth IRA.
How much can I contribute to a Roth IRA via the Backdoor Roth IRA process?
In 2024, you are allowed to contribute $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) per year for you and $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) for your spouse. This includes all contributions to traditional and Roth IRAs. Rollovers/transfers do not count toward the annual contribution limit.
What should I invest the money into?
While in the traditional IRA for a day or two, leave it in cash. Once it is in the Roth IRA, invest it according to your written investing plan. If you don't have one, get one, but in the meantime it would be a good idea to put it into a lifecycle fund such as a Vanguard Target Retirement Fund.
Can I use the same traditional and Roth IRA each year or do I need new ones?
You can use the same ones each year.
The Backdoor Roth IRA process leads to more tax-free retirement account money for doctors and other high-income professionals. If you follow the simple steps outlined above, you will pay less in taxes, boost your returns, facilitate your estate planning, and increase your asset protection. Most members of The White Coat Investor community do these every year, and you should too.
What do you think? Are you doing Backdoor Roth IRAs? Why or why not? Any questions about it?
[This updated post was originally published in 2014.]
If I contribute $5500 to a traditional IRA this year and then convert it to a Roth IRA, can I contribute another $5500 to fill up the traditional IRA again this year? I have absolutely no retirement accounts at this point. I work as an employee, but there is no 401k plan available at my work, and I am not eligible for a Stealth IRA (HSA) because I am a member of MediShare. Therefore, I am trying to find ways to maximize my tax-deferred retirement accounts. Thank you for the great site and all your help.
No, $5500 a year total to all your traditional and Roth IRAs in any combination.
You can do a deductible traditional IRA though, if you find that appealing. But you can’t do it in addition to a Roth IRA.
Hi, thanks for your great site. I’ve learned so much. Currently I do not have a 401(k) but am about to take a job (in 2015) with a 401(k). I have both a traditional IRA and Roth IRA at Vanguard. I haven’t made an IRA contribution in 2015 because I anticipated this job change and wanted the ability to max out the 401(k), roll-over my traditional IRA into the 401(k) (I checked and this is possible), and finally Backdoor a Roth IRA contribution. However, if I do the traditional IRA to 401(k) roll-over on say, November 5, can I make the $5500 contribution to my would-be $0 balance traditional IRA and Backdoor it to a Roth IRA without a pro-rata tax consequence on say, November 6? Or, do I have to keep the balance at $0 until December 31 and wait until after January 1 for the $5500 contribution and Backdoor? Of course, I can then do two contributions (2015 and 2016) at that time. Thanks for your help.
As long as you do the conversion by December 31st, I think it is okay to make your 2015 contribution in 2015. If the rollover is taking forever, just do the 2015 contribution in the first 3.5 months of 2016. What you don’t want is to do the contribution and conversion in 2015 and then due to some screw up end up not getting the rollover done in 2015.
Thank you. If for some reason the rollover takes forever and doesn’t materialize until after January 1, 2016, can I still backdoor the Roth for 2015 without a prorata tax since the balance was not $0 on December 31, 2015? (Assuming in this case I wait until Jan-Apr of 2016 to make 2015’s contribution.)
I would just wait to do the conversion until after the rollover is complete. No biggie doing the contribution prior to year end, you just don’t want to do the conversion if there is going to be an outstanding rollover.
I understand you don’t want to do a conversion with an outstanding rollover. My question is regarding the $0 balance specifically on Dec 31 of the particular tax year in which you are crediting the contribution. My goal is to get $11,000 backdoor to Roth (2015 and 2016) without getting hit with the prorata tax. The issue is that if the rollover doesn’t happen until 2016, regardless of when I contribute the $5500 for 2015, the balance of my t-IRA would not be $0 on Dec 31, 2015. Thus, would I be hit with the prorata on 2015’s contribution?
The key is the balance at the end of the year in which you do the conversion, not the contribution.
Ok, I may be confused. Suppose the following took place:
1) $5500 tIRA contribution made in 11/2015
2) tIRA rollover to 401k didn’t happen until 1/2016
3) $5500 tIRA converted to Roth
Would I get prorata taxed because the balance was not $0 on 12/31/2015 since the tIRA contribution was for 2015 tax year?
Or, I suppose it could go like this:
1) tIRA rollover to 401k didn’t happen until 1/2016
2) $5500 tIRA contribution (for 2015) made in 2/2015
3) $5500 tIRA converted to Roth
Is this any different than first scenario re: prorata tax?
Thanks for your help.
Look at the 8606 to answer your questions. You only get nailed with the prorata if you’re doing a conversion that year.
So even though I have now been doing the backdoor Roth IRA now for 2 years, something has me concerned I am doing this wrong. It is related to a SEP-IRA I opened last year at the suggestion of my accountant (due to some “moonlighting” type of income I had). The SEP-IRA contains a small amount (around $3000). Because of the pro-rata rule, I understand that this SEP-IRA money will have negative tax implications. So do I (1) somehow roll this into my work 401K/Profit Sharing plan (and if yes, is this in addition to $18,000 limit or included in it? or (2) somehow convert this SEP-IRA to a Roth and pay taxes on it? I guess this SEP-IRA has me confused- I don’t anticipate much of this and if its a hassle then I may avoid contributing this in future. Any help will be appreciated….
Yes, roll it into a 401(k) or convert the whole thing. Either is fine. You’ll have a complicated 8606 this year and you’ll probably have to redo your 1040 and 8606 for last year.
Thank you White Coat Investor for your great article. I have recently purchased your book and have been reading it for the past few weeks and have learned a lot!!! I’ve highly recommended it to many of my colleagues.
I am a bit confused about my retirement plans and would like to seek your input on this. This is my last year of residency. I’ve done a lot of moonlighting and my total income is well above the Roth IRA contribution limits; therefore, I’d like to use the backdoor Roth IRA strategy. Last year, I opened a SEP IRA with Vanguard and contributed about $3k to it from my 1099 earned income. This year, I transferred about $14K from a 457(b) Fidelity plan (from a previous employer) to my current Vanguard SEP IRA. I am not sure how to proceed with backdoor Roth IRA transfer in my situation.
1) Do I need to open a solo 401K (probably with Fidelity since Vanguard doesn’t accept transfers?), transfer my whole SEP IRA to the solo 401K, then transfer it to my Roth IRA account (which is with Vanguard)?
2) Or do I just transfer the whole SEP IRA to my Roth IRA?
3) If I open a solo 401K with Vanguard, should I just contribute to the 401K from now on and avoid contributing to the SEP IRA? I am not sure whether there is any advantages/disadvantages to each for someone like me.
If I am not mistaken, somebody at Vanguard told me that there is no limit with “transferring” to a Roth IRA, but there is a $5500 limit for contribution. Is this correct? Or I can only “transfer” $5500 to my Roth IRA account and leave the rest in my solo 401K or elsewhere.
We also did the same type of transfer for my wife from her Fidelity 401k (from previous employer) to a Vanguard “Rollover IRA.” She only receives W2, so I am not sure how she can use the backdoor Roth IRA contribution since she will not be able to open a Solo 401k. Right?
Both my wife and I have 403(b) retirement plans with our current employers and contribute to these accounts as well.
Thank you for taking the time to help us with these questions.
1) The least costly option is to open an individual 401(k), but you must have some self-employment income to do so. If you don’t, converting the entire $17K is a great option too, especially while the market is down. You don’t move the money into the 401(k) AND convert it. You do one or the other to allow the backdoor Roth.
2) That’s a reasonable option as noted.
3) Yes, if you have self-employment income. The advantage of the individual 401(k) is higher contributions if you haven’t used your employee contribution elsewhere, or at the very least, the ability to do a backdoor Roth.
No limit on conversions, but $5500 a year IRA contribution ($6500 if over 50).
You may also be able to roll those SEP-IRAs/rollover IRAs into your 403(b)s. Read the plan document or talk to HR.
WCI,
So I put $5500 (the maximum allowable, and the amount I converted) in Line 15a of Form 1040 right?
Thank you!
What did your 8606 say?
I’m a first year attending anesthesiologist and your book and website have been an incredible resource for me. Here’s my question:
We have a Rollover Traditional IRA in my wife’s name with approx 52K. I have no investments. I’m wondering if the Rollover IRA in my wife’s name will be considered for tax purposes if I fund a backdoor Roth in my own name.
Thanks again.
No. 8606s are individual. When you do a personal and spousal backdoor Roth, you have to do two.
Awesome. Thank you again! Sorry if this is redundant, but just to make sure I’m clear, please tell me if this is correct:
I will have no tax issues creating a backdoor roth for myself. However, if my wife wants to create a backdoor roth for herself, she should roll her 52k IRA balance into her current employer’s 401k (or other avenue) to reduce the tax burden.
Sounds right.
We did the backdoor roth in 2014 and I don’t think my husband filed correctly because our IRA contribution was actually filed as a deduction even though we’re at a high income level (not even sure how that’s possible on Turbo tax).
I want to ensure we do it correctly this year and I”m also pretty sure we’re subject to the prorata rule. I have two traditional IRA accounts that were likely tax deferred totaling approximately $8,800. My husband had an employer 401k plan that he rolled over to a Traditional IRA (total 24,000). I have a self employed individual 401 K plan. My husband does not but since he has a LLC he could set one up.
1) Is the best plan for both of us to transfer/convert any of our tax deferred accounts into individual 401k’s?
2) we already did our backdoor roth conversion for 2015. Do we need to undo it, transfer the tax deferred IRA’s, and then redo the conversion?
3) Given the likely mistake with filing backdoor roth for 2014, If we fix it this year will that likely take care of any problems or do we need to do an amendment and file that 8606 form for 2014? If we do the amendment will we owe taxes on all those other deductible IRA accounts we haven’t moved yet?
We thought we were on top of it…
If you didn’t have a retirement account, the contribution would have been deductible.
1) Usually, yes.
2) If you’re not converting everything, probably no big deal. But since you’re not, it may be best to unwind it, then redo after sorting out the prorata issue.
3) If you did make a mistake, do the 1040X and 8606 for 2014. If you should have paid taxes and didn’t, then yes, you’ll owe some money.
I just graduated resident in July and had very little disposable income and had not started saving. So at this time I have no IRA accounts. So at this point the best thing to do would be to contribute to a traditional IRA and convert it. Am I understanding this correctly? Also, can I then open a traditional IRA during this year at 5500 for both myself and my wife and then contribute additionally after July 1 for the 2016 year?
sorry meant to say January 1st. Thanks.
Yes. Yes.
You can do a backdoor Roth IRA for 2015 for you and your spouse and then do it again in 2016.
Recently discovered your website – only wished I had found it earlier!
I am looking to do a backdoor Roth as you have outlined but was hoping to clarify a few points. I have been contributing to a traditional IRA despite being over the income limits and thus all the funds there are non-deductible. I have about a total of $60k with $9k in gains.
My employers 401k will accept the roll-over IRAs I currently have. I am confused about what to do with my current traditional IRA. Should I directly convert it to a Roth and pay my taxes now or can I back door but pay taxes on the gains? Thanks for your help and insight!
What do you mean backdoor? If I had a $60K IRA with a basis of $51K, I’d convert the whole thing today.
how do you know if your $5,500 put into the traditional IRA is non-deductible before you convert into the Roth IRA?
You need to consider two questions- Do you have a plan at work and how much you make. Those two factors determine whether or not its deductible. For most docs, it isn’t due to their income.
This year (starting Aug 1st) my salary is $160k. At work I have a 403b. No other retirement accounts.
And whether or not you’re single. If you’re single, you definitely need to go backdoor for 2016 but probably okay for 2015. If you’re not, then it’ll be close for 2016 depending on what your spouse makes. You can look up the details here:
https://www.irs.gov/Retirement-Plans/Amount-of-Roth-IRA-Contributions-That-You-Can-Make-For-2015
Hello WCI
I have Vanguard traditional IRA for me and my wife as well as my own Roth IRA (from residency). I don’t have employer sponsored retirement plan of any sort. I do make over 200K. I was told my by accountant that I can continue to contribute to traditional IRA as long as I don’t have employer sponsored retirement plan regardless of my income. Is that true?
If I can continue with traditional IRA, do I ever have to do the backdoor Roth that you’re describing in this post?
I do have 1099 income coming in. So, I was going to start individual 401K this year. I put some into SEP IRA last year because I passed the deadline for establishing i401K. Any reason to still keep this SEP IRA. I finally decided to go with vanguard for i401K.
Appreciate your input very much
Yes, it’s true.
No, you never HAVE to do the backdoor. If you can deduct your contribution, that’s probably better than a Roth in your peak earnings years.
No. Just roll the SEP into your i401(k) or your traditional IRA.
Thank you for the quick reply. 2 more follow-up questions please:
I can’t roll over SEP into i401K because I have it with Vanguard. My Vanguard SEP from last year only has ~4K; if I roll this over into vanguard traditional IRA this year, does this count toward the maximum allowable contribution of 5500/year?
Question regarding i401K: If I have about 18K in 1099 income for 2016 and I put 5500 into traditional IRA for me and my wife (total 11K), then does that mean I can only put 7K into i401K; or can I put all of 1099 income into i401K and the 11K can be deducted from my W2 income (of which there may be about 220K).
No, rollovers don’t count toward the contribution limits. Nor do Roth conversions, another good option for you with a little $4K account.
No, IRA and 401(k) limits are completely separate and don’t influence each other.
Yes, if you haven’t used your employee 401(k) contribution elsewhere you could potentially put essentially all $18K you made into the i401(k).
What if your household income is based on performance and is going to be close to the max salary set to be able to directly contribute to a Roth IRA? Would it be smart to wait until after the beginning of the year to see what your income ends up being then make your contribution for the preceding year since you have until April to do so? So if your over the limit you do this backdoor conversion and if you are below the limit you do a direct Roth contribution…
If you don’t have another IRA/SEP-IRA/SIMPLE IRA etc, you can just go through the backdoor. My first year out of the military I thought I’d be over the limit, but wasn’t. I still went through the backdoor, no big deal.
Thank you very much for the advice…
Hey again WCI,
Love the new website look. Way to go!
My wife will be eligible come 07/01/2016 for an employer sponsored 401k, a safe harbor account where they contribute 3 percent of annual salary. Exciting stuff.
So from what I’ve gathered from your site and the retirement account planning links on here, a young physicians portfolio could look something like:
6 months of salary, emergency fund.
Personal and spousal backdoor roth IRA contributions — 11K
401(k) = safe harbor 3 percent from employer is about 6K. How much more should we add?
Any other account I’m forgetting about? We have a mortgage.
From there we are thinking pay down student loans. Most interest rates on the student loans are around 4 percent. We are feeling prepared thanks to your site and book. How is our outlook?
Emergency fund = 3-6 months of EXPENSES not salary
There are lots of other accounts out there that may or may not be available to you, but paying down student loans is also a great use of money.
I was married in the last several months and both my wife and I have already contributed the maximum $5500 this year to each of our Roth IRAs through Vanguard. However, we just realized that with our combined income, we are now over the contribution limit for Roth IRAs.
I am assuming that we can we take the $5500, recharacterize it as a traditional IRA, then prompty reconvert it into our Roth IRA accounts through the backdoor method.
I haven’t looked at the exact numbers yet, but what do I do if I have income or loss on the initial $5500 that I have already invested
Thanks!
That’s correct. You must recharacterize, wait, and convert. Don’t forget that key second step:
https://www.irs.gov/Retirement-Plans/Retirement-Plans-FAQs-regarding-IRAs-Recharacterization-of-Roth-Rollovers-and-Conversions
Is there a minimum waiting period to reconvert the money to a Roth IRA following a recharacterization?
Yes, if you recharacterize all or part of a rollover or conversion to a Roth IRA, you cannot reconvert the amount recharacterized to the same or another Roth IRA until the later of:
30 days after the recharacterization, or
the year following the year of the rollover or conversion.
The waiting period to convert applies only to amounts you recharacterized. For example, you can convert amounts from a different traditional IRA to a Roth IRA immediately.
So I have to wait until 2016 to be able to put the money back into the Roth IRA?
WCI, are you sure the waiting period applies in this situation? The way I read that IRS link, the waiting period applies to RE-conversions of a recharacterization of a rollover a conversion (but NOT recharacterization of a contribution). I think it’s possible that no waiting period is necessary between recharacterizing a contribution from Roth IRA to IRA, and then converting that IRA to Roth IRA. What do you think?
You may be right. I tried looking up that specific question and couldn’t find an answer on the irs.gov site. The safest thing to do is wait unless you can find a definitive source saying waiting isn’t required after recharacterizing a contribution like it is after recharacterizing a conversion.
Thank you for sumarizing this complicated issue – article is very helpful.
I have a question though.
You mention: ‘Get rid of any SEP-IRA, SIMPLE IRA, traditional IRA, or rollover IRA money. ‘
During fellowship, we had the option of diverting the money that would go toward social security to a Tax-Deferred Annuity account which I did. So now I have a TDA under my name with retirement money in it. First, was this a good idea? Second, is this an account that I would need to get rid of ?
Much thanks!
Bishoy
I’m not sure as I don’t have the details. If it is a 403(b), then no, you don’t have to get rid of it. You can roll it into a traditional IRA and convert it to a Roth in the year you leave fellowship though. If it is something else entirely, then I think it’s fine, as long as it isn’t a SEP, SIMPLE, or traditional IRA.
Sorry – yes it is a 403(b).
So I can contribute to a Backdoor Roth IRA in January without having to get rid of this account, correct?
I am currently an attending – started in July. You mention rolling the 403(b) into a Roth IRA. Is there a particular benefit to doing this? Is it because I am in a relatively lower tax bracket now? Also, If I do roll it into a Roth, can I still put $5500 into a Backdoor Roth in January?
Much thanks
Bishoy
Correct. But I would convert that 403B to a Roth IRA this year if I could possibly afford the taxes. You’ll surely be in a higher bracket the rest of your career and maybe even retirement than this year, right?
And yes, the conversion has nothing to do with your backdoor Roth IRA this year or next.
And weird that they let you do a 403(b) in lieu of Social Security. Not sure you got that right but who knows.
Thanks
Since I’m an attending for half the year and did some moonlighting as a fellow, I am in the 28% bracket. Next year, 33%. Also, if I do convert, does that money then count as income? If so, it may bump me up to the 33% bracket for this year.
So not sure converting would be helpful?
I stumbled across your website and I appreciate all the knowledge since I believe it is helping me make the right decisions for the future. Thanks to you I just consolidated my student loans from 6.5% to 1.9% through a link on your site!
I started my solo practice in January and I want to get a 401k started but having a hard time deciding which company to go with.
Here are my issues:
1. My wife (who is now a stay at home mom) rolled over her old 401k money (now 20K) into an IRA with Vangaurd about 2 years ago. I wish we would have converted this to a Roth back when I was in residency, but we didn’t know. Will we need to convert her IRA back to a 401k before doing a backdoor Roth? Have you heard of anyone making a wife an employee so she can rollover an IRA to the new 401k?
2. I have 1 part time employee that works about 5hrs/wk helping with billing. I want to exclude my part time employee from the 401k as I would like to contribute close to the max amounts, and don’t want to also add an extra 25% of her salary to the 401k. Do you know which companies allow this? And will this prevent my wife from joining the 401k?
3. What company do you generally recommend I start with? Will Fidelity or Etrade typically cost me more in the long run than a Vangaurd account? I am pretty inexperienced when it comes to picking mutual funds.
Thanks
I love how people think it’s an accident they arrived here. Trust me when I say I spent a lot of time and effort getting you to stumble in here!
1. Yes, or else pay the taxes and convert it all now. Yes, you could make her your employee (just be sure to give her some real work.
2. That’s a good question. I think you can probably exclude that employee, but you should talk to an expert to make sure you can use an individual 401(k) instead of a “real” one given that you have an employee.
3. Picking mutual funds is relatively easy once you’ve designed your asset allocation. There are ways to make Fidelity and Vanguard just as inexpensive, and perhaps less expensive, in the long run than Vanguard. Especially since Vanguard’s individual 401(k) won’t let you use Admiral funds. Not sure if you’ve seen this article or not:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/where-to-open-your-solo-401k/
I had a traditional IRA at Vanguard valued just under $5500 that I just converted to a Roth after reading this. Does this transaction mean I am done for the year and count as my $5500 limit? Or can I now do the backdoor IRA process that you have described by depositing an additional $5500 and converting it to a Roth?
Thanks!
No, you are allowed to contribute $5500 per year to all of your IRAs and Roth IRAs. A conversion is not a contribution.
Hi WCI, this site is such a fantastic resource. I just spent the last two hours reading through all the comments above. It’s time to test my knowledge, so here’s my situation. I currently have no retirement savings and I am a W-2 employee. I am not eligible to contribute to my employer’s 401k until January 2016. So here’s my plan:
1. Contribute $5500 to a traditional IRA before the end of 2015. This should be tax-deductible since I am not eligible to contribute to my employer’s 401k plan. This should save me nearly $2000 in taxes for the 2015 tax year.
2. Max out my 401k in 2016.
3. In 2016, transfer the amount in my traditional IRA to my 401k plan (to avoid the pro rata rule)
4. Contribute $5500 to a traditional IRA in 2016 (and put it in a money market account)
5. The next day, convert the money in the Traditional IRA to a Roth IRA (Backdoor Roth IRA).
Is this sound reasoning? Did I get all the steps right? Thank you!
Sounds like a great plan to me.
Hi WCI,
Husband and I are both physicians. I just opened a solo 401 K and plan to contribute the maximum by next April 15. My husband already set up to max out on his retirement accounts, 401k/defined benefits/HSA. Next step is looking at how to set up a backdoor Roth. Is this something we should try to do before end of 2015 or wait until beginning of 2016? Also, I just read your book and was wondering how having a stay at home spouse is a tax advantage–because they are counted as a dependent for tax purposes?
That’s correct. Plus you get to use the married filing jointly tax brackets. You can still do a backdoor Roth up until April, but it would be best if you can get it done before the end of the year.
Remember employee contributions for an i401(k) must be done before the end of the year, but you have until April to do the employer contribution.
Hi WCI
I thought you do your Backdroor Roth early January. What is the benefit of doing it prior to the end of 2015?
Thanks – Bishoy
I do my backdoor Roth in January for the current year, not the previous one. The sooner you do it, the more tax-free compounding you enjoy. The benefit of doing both the contribution and the conversion in the same year is the 8606 is cleaner.
As an independent contractor, how do employer vs employee contributions work for my i401k? My i401k account is set up through e-trade, do you recommend a certain company to open up traditional IRA non-deductible funds to do backdoor conversions?
I am confused about non-deductible vs deductible retirement accounts. So our 401k is deductible and lowers our taxable income while traditional IRAs are non-deductible because of our high income bracket and thus better used for backdoor Roth?
Hi WCI,
I did a backdoor Roth for my spouse and I earlier this year for tax years 2013 and 2014 after extensive reading on your website. I introduced a couple colleagues at my job to the backdoor and they both bought and read your book. We all have both W2 and 1099 income. We are all maxing out our work 401K. My colleagues both have SEP IRAs but no backdoor Roth. I have the backdoor Roth but no SEP IRA. I just save my 1099 income with plans to invest it in taxable accounts in the near future. My colleagues are encouraging me to open a SEP IRA. My question is; Can I open a SEP IRA for my 1099 income while having a backdoor roth, and wouldn’t this affect the prorata calculation? If I can indeed open a SEP, would I have to relinquish it at the end of the year to continue my yearly bacdoor conversions? Having maxed my work 401K, am I still eligible to open an individual 401K for my 1099 income? I think that my only option is a taxable account but my colleagues say I am wrong, that I can open a Roth. I told them I will ask get your opinion and then go from there. Please advise and thanks.
Sorry, I meant ‘that I can open a SEP’ (second line from the bottom)
No, you can’t do a SEP and they shouldn’t either. You should all do an individual 401(k) for your 1099 income, roll your SEP-IRA money in there, and do a personal and spousal backdoor Roth IRA every year. (Assuming you can save that much and want to save that much for retirement.
That is what I thought. Just one more question – Can I still create and contribute to an individual 401K with my 1099 income even though I am currently contributing the maximum to the 401K at my job?
Yes.
Thanks, that’s what I thought! One more thing -Can I still open and contribute to an individual 401K with 1099 income even though I am making maximum contributions to my work 401K? They say I can’t but just want confirmation if that is the case. Thanks so much!
Who’s they? Read this:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/multiple-401k-rules/
Great article, like most articles on your website.
I have been using this backdoor entry to the Roth IRA since 2012.
My views that are identical to yours are found here – https://wp.me/p6V9kv-3X