By Dr. Jim Dahle, WCI Founder
Setting up a Backdoor Roth IRA can be confusing, so I thought I’d put together a tutorial on the steps people can refer to when they go through this process. Let's get started.
Table of Contents
- What Is a Backdoor Roth IRA?
- Who Should Do a Backdoor Roth IRA?
- When to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA?
- Backdoor Roth IRA Pros and Cons
- Backdoor Roth IRA Tax Implications
- Backdoor Roth IRA Steps
- How to Fix and Prevent Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
- Backdoor Roth IRA FAQs
What Is a Backdoor Roth IRA?
Despite its name, a Backdoor Roth IRA is not an account; it is a process with two steps:
- Contribute to a Traditional IRA.
- Complete a Roth conversion.
If you understand the rules of both of these steps, putting them together is no problem.
Who Should Do a Backdoor Roth IRA
Remember that if you are a low earner you can just contribute DIRECTLY to a Roth IRA and skip this Backdoor Roth IRA process.
Roth IRA Limits and Conversion Rules
Low earner is defined as a Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) under a phaseout range in 2024 of $146,000-$161,000 ($230,000-$240,000 Married Filing Jointly). Some docs—like residents, employee dentists, part-timers, and even some medical attendings in the lower-paying specialties who are married to a non-earner—can just contribute to a Roth IRA directly.
Anyone who earns at least $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) can contribute $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) to an IRA [2024]. If your income is below a MAGI of $146,000-$161,000 ($230,000-$240,000 Married Filing Jointly), you can contribute directly to a Roth IRA. If you have a retirement plan offered to you at work and your MAGI is below $77,000-$87,000 ($123,000-$143,000 Married Filing Jointly), you can deduct your traditional IRA contributions. Since most readers of this blog have a retirement plan through their job and have (or soon will have) a MAGI over $240,000, they will find that they can't make direct Roth IRA contributions or deduct their traditional IRA contributions. Thus, their best IRA option is the Backdoor Roth IRA process, i.e., an indirect Roth IRA contribution.
Spousal IRAs
Married physicians should be using a personal and a spousal Roth IRA, and you will usually need to fund both indirectly (i.e., through the Backdoor). This provides an additional $7,000 each ($8,000 for each spouse that is 50+) of tax-protected and (in most states) asset-protected space per tax year, and it allows for more tax diversification in retirement. Tax diversification allows you to determine your own tax rate as a retiree by deciding how much to take from tax-deferred (traditional) accounts and how much from tax-free (Roth) accounts. Remember that IRA stands for INDIVIDUAL Retirement Arrangement, so even if the pro-rata rule (discussed below) keeps you from doing the Backdoor Roth IRA, it doesn't necessarily keep your spouse from doing so. Each spouse reports their Backdoor Roth IRA on their own separate 8606, so the tax return for a married couple doing Backdoor Roth IRAs should always include two Form 8606s.
Married Filing Separately
The contribution and deduction income limits are particularly low if you are filing your taxes Married Filing Separately (MFS). Both the ability to contribute directly to a Roth IRA and the ability to deduct a traditional IRA contribution if you (or your spouse) are eligible for a retirement plan at work phase out between $0 and $10,000. Basically, the best option for anyone filing their taxes MFS is the Backdoor Roth IRA process, i.e., an indirect Roth IRA contribution.
There is an exception to these rules if you do not actually live with your spouse. In that case, your ability to contribute directly to a Roth IRA phases out between a MAGI of $146,000-$161,000 in 2024. If you live separately and are not covered by a retirement plan at work, you can deduct a traditional IRA contribution no matter your income. You can still do a Backdoor Roth IRA process in these situations where your IRA contribution is either partially or completely deductible. The tax bill will be precisely the same: $0 when done properly. However, instead of having no tax cost for either the contribution or the conversion, your deduction on the contribution will precisely equal the tax cost on the conversion, resulting in that same $0 tax bill for the entire process.
Mega Backdoor Roth IRA
A Mega Backdoor Roth IRA is completely different from a regular Backdoor Roth IRA. Despite its name, you actually do a Mega Backdoor Roth IRA with a 401(k), not an IRA. It requires a 401(k) that accepts both after-tax (not Roth) employee contributions and allows for either in-service withdrawals (and thus conversions to a Roth IRA) or, more commonly, in-plan conversions. Using the Mega Backdoor Roth IRA process, one could put as much as $69,000 ($76,500 if 50+) [2024] per year into a Roth 401(k) (or possibly a Roth IRA in addition to your usual $7,000-$8.000 contribution). However, this process has nothing to do with the Backdoor Roth IRA process we are discussing in this post.
When to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA
Lots of people wonder about the timing of a Backdoor Roth IRA.
IRA Contribution Deadline
There is really only one deadline to meet with the Backdoor Roth IRA process. IRA contributions for a given tax year must take place between January 1 of the tax year and April 15 (even if you file an extension) of the following year.
Backdoor Roth IRA Conversion Deadline
The conversion step may take place at any time. It can take place the next day or even the same day as the contribution. I don't recommend it, but you can wait months, years, or even decades between the contribution and the conversion step. There is no deadline for Roth conversions. If you need to perform a rollover or a conversion of a traditional, rollover, SEP, or SIMPLE IRA in order to avoid the pro-rata rule, you have until December 31 of the year you do the conversion step.
When Should You Contribute and Convert?
You should do both steps as soon as possible. Many white coat investors do the IRA contribution step and the Roth conversion step the first week of January each year. This maximizes the amount of tax-free compounding that can occur on those dollars. Minimizing the time between contribution and conversion and doing both steps within the calendar year is not required, but it certainly simplifies the paperwork.
Want to really make your paperwork complicated? Contribute to your IRA each month and convert it each month. Then, you have 12 contributions and 12 conversions to keep track of each year. Seriously, though, if you make enough money that you have to contribute to your Roth IRA(s) through the Backdoor Roth IRA process, you make enough to do it at one time each year.
Can I Do a Backdoor Roth IRA Every Year?
Yes. My wife and I have done one every year since 2010 and do not plan to stop until we no longer have any earned income. It is just one of the investment chores we perform once a year.
5-Year Rule
One factor that may push you to do a Backdoor Roth IRA earlier is the five-year rule. Now, there are at least three five-year rules related to IRAs, but the main one to pay attention to here is the five-year rule after a Roth conversion. This rule determines whether the withdrawal of principal from the account prior to age 59 1/2 will be penalty-free. The five-year period starts on January 1 of the year you do the conversion, so it could be a little less than five years. Roth IRA principal generally comes out tax- and penalty-free (it is only the earnings that may be subject to penalties), but that is only the case after the five-year rule has been fulfilled.
In essence, if you do a conversion of a Roth IRA at age 51, you can then withdraw the principal tax- and penalty-free starting at age 56 rather than age 59 1/2. This can provide funding for living expenses to early retirees. If you do a Roth conversion at age 57, you still get access to that principal (and earnings) tax- and penalty-free at age 59 1/2. So, it's five years or age 59 1/2, whichever comes first.
There is also a completely separate five-year rule on IRA contributions, but this starts from the time you make your very first IRA contribution, not every contribution, so it should not apply to most early retirees.
Backdoor Roth IRA Pros and Cons
There are a lot of great things about the Backdoor Roth IRA, but it isn't all peaches and cream.
Pros of Backdoor Roth IRA
The main benefit of a Backdoor Roth IRA is that it provides you with another retirement account. Via the Backdoor Roth IRA process, you can continue to contribute to a Roth IRA even after your earnings rise above the income limit for direct Roth IRA contributions. Retirement accounts eliminate the tax drag that applies in a taxable, or non-qualified account, reducing your taxes and allowing your investment to grow at a higher rate so you can reach your goals sooner.
How much can that tax protection be worth compared to a taxable account? It depends on the return of the underlying investment, its tax efficiency, and the amount of time the money is left in the account. At my marginal tax rate, $10,000 earning 8% in a tax-inefficient investment over 50 years would grow to $469,000 in a Roth IRA but only $88,000 in a taxable account. More realistically, over 30 years, the use of a Roth IRA vs. a taxable account for a tax-efficient investment would still result in 29% more money.
Retirement accounts ensure simple estate planning. By using beneficiaries, that money does not go through the probate process, so your heirs get it sooner with less hassle, more privacy, and no cost. They can even stretch the tax-protected growth benefit for another decade after they inherit the account. Retirement accounts like a Roth IRA also provide substantial asset protection in most states, meaning that in the admittedly very rare event of a dramatically above-policy limits judgment that isn't reduced on appeal, you can declare bankruptcy and still keep what is in your retirement accounts. Roth money is tax-free forever, so by continuing to contribute each year, you can increase tax diversification in retirement.
Cons of Backdoor Roth IRA
Roth IRAs, even when you contribute via the Backdoor Roth IRA process, are still retirement accounts with all of their downsides. Retirement accounts limit the investments you can put in them and prohibit the use of margin investing. If you withdraw Roth IRA earnings prior to age 59 1/2 without an approved exception, you will owe a 10% penalty.
Due to the pro-rata rule (see below), the Backdoor Roth IRA process requires you to either convert or roll over into a 401(k) any traditional IRAs, SEP-IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs you may have. If you have self-employment income, you will need to use a solo 401(k) instead of a SEP-IRA to shelter that income from taxes. Doing Backdoor Roth IRAs each year also adds one form (IRS Form 8606) per spouse to your tax return. If preparing your own taxes using tax software, it can be tricky to ensure the software reports the process correctly. If you do a Backdoor Roth IRA instead of (rather than in addition to) maxing out your tax-deferred accounts during your peak earnings years, that can also be a mistake that results in the accumulation of less money.
Perhaps most significantly, there are now two steps to getting money into your Roth IRA each year instead of just one. While I think the process is pretty darn simple, I am continually amazed at all of the unique ways that doctors manage to screw it up. Later in this article, I'll show you how to fix all of those screwups.
Is a Backdoor Roth IRA Worth It?
Yes! Most of the time. It really is just a little bit of hassle to do each year, although there may be some additional hassle the first year if you need to take care of another IRA first to avoid the pro-rata rule. There may be times when someone has a large traditional IRA they cannot afford to convert to a Roth IRA and cannot roll over into a 401(k) because they don't have a 401(k) at all, their 401(k) charges high fees, or because the IRA assets are invested in something they cannot invest in within a 401(k). If your employer-provided retirement account is a SIMPLE IRA or a SEP-IRA, the Backdoor Roth IRA process is also probably not worth it. Finally, some multi-millionaires don't want to bother with even the minor hassle of the Backdoor Roth IRA process because getting an extra $7,000-$16,000 a year into Roth accounts just isn't going to move the needle for them.
Backdoor Roth IRA Tax Implications
Roth IRAs are all about avoiding taxation on earnings, so naturally, there are lots of tax implications of this process.
Pro-Rata Rule
The most important tax implication to be aware of is the pro-rata rule. I would estimate that 90%+ of Backdoor Roth IRA screwups involve the investor having his or her conversion pro-rated. When you report a Roth IRA conversion on IRS Form 8606 (see below), there is a pro-rata calculation made. The numerator is the amount converted. The denominator is the total of ALL traditional, rollover, SEP, and SIMPLE IRAs, but not 401(k)s, 403(b)s, 457(b)s, Roth IRAs, or inherited IRAs. Therefore, it is critical that you DO SOMETHING with any IRA balance you have PRIOR to December 31 of the year in which you do a Roth conversion of after-tax money. Later in this article, I'll describe the exact options you have for what to do with this money.
Tax on Backdoor Roth IRA Conversion
Done properly, there is NO tax on a Backdoor Roth IRA conversion. Zero. Nada. Zilch. While the money you put into a Roth IRA (indirectly via the Backdoor in this case) was taxed when you earned it, it is NOT taxed when you contribute it directly to a Roth IRA or when you contribute it as a non-deductible IRA conversion or when you subsequently convert that money to a Roth IRA. In fact, it is never taxed again.
Do I Need to Worry About the Step Transaction Doctrine?
There used to be a concern that the IRS would have a problem with the Backdoor Roth due to an IRS rule called The Step Transaction Doctrine. This rule basically says that if the sum of a bunch of legal steps is illegal, then you can’t do it. Some wondered if this Backdoor conversion from a Traditional IRA to Roth was a legal transaction considering this doctrine. Those concerns, valid or not, are no longer an issue. The IRS clarified in early 2018 that no waiting period is required between the contribution and conversion steps of the Backdoor Roth IRA. It has essentially given its blessing on the whole process. Waiting just makes things more complicated on the 8606, as discussed in Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA.
How to Report a Backdoor Roth IRA on TurboTax
Reporting the Backdoor Roth IRA properly on TurboTax is unfortunately even more complicated than filling out Form 8606 by hand. The key to doing it right is to recognize that you report the conversion step in the Income section but you report the contribution step in the Deductions and Credits section. Since you generally do the income section first, you report the conversion before you report the contribution, even though you actually did the contribution before the conversion. At the end, you want to look at the Form(s) 8606 that TurboTax generates, just like you would check up on one filled out by an accountant.
More information here:
How to Report a Backdoor Roth IRA on TurboTax
Backdoor Roth IRA Steps, Tutorials, and Walkthroughs
In this section, we'll explain exactly how to do the Backdoor Roth IRA process and how to report it on your tax return, whether you file on paper or using tax software. You can easily walk through these Backdoor Roth IRA steps at Vanguard, complete a Backdoor Roth at Fidelity, or knock out a Backdoor Roth IRA at Schwab, three of the most popular brokerage/mutual fund companies.
How to Perform and Report on Paper the Backdoor Roth IRA Process
While it is really just a two-step process, it is best to think of it as a six-step process. These steps don't all have to be done in order (it might be easier to do Step 3 before Step 1), but they will all need to be done.
Step #1 Contribute to a Traditional IRA
Make a $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) non-deductible traditional IRA contribution for yourself and one for your spouse. You can use the same traditional IRA accounts every year—they just spend most of the time with $0 in them. Most fund companies, including Vanguard, don’t close the account just because there is nothing in it. I do this every January 2.
Step #2 Leave the Money in Cash
An account like a traditional IRA is not an investment, of course; just like a suitcase isn't clothing. When putting money in a traditional IRA, you also have to tell the IRA provider how you want to invest. In this case, just leave the money in cash, whether a money market fund or a settlement fund. At Vanguard, the settlement fund is the Federal Money Market Fund. You really don't want to have any gains (or especially any losses) between the contribution and conversion step because it makes the paperwork more complicated. The best way to minimize the gains is to leave it in cash (and then of course to do the conversion as soon after contribution as possible to minimize the “pennies” issue).
Step #3 Convert the Traditional IRA to a Roth IRA
Next, convert the non-deductible traditional IRA to a Roth IRA by transferring the money from your traditional IRA into your Roth IRA at the same fund company. If you don’t already have a Roth IRA there, you’ll need to open one. This can be done in a minute or two online at Vanguard, and it is essentially the same process as opening the traditional IRA. I do this the very next day after I make the contribution. It is very straightforward. When you transfer the money, the website will throw up a scary banner saying something like “THIS IS A TAXABLE EVENT.” That’s true. It is taxable. But the tax bill will be zero since you’ve already paid taxes on the $7,000 and couldn’t claim your contribution as a deduction because you make too much money. You can do Step 3 basically immediately after Step 1. Some companies will let you do it the same day. Other companies will make you wait until the next day or even a week or so. But there is no reason to wait months to do it.
Step #4 Invest the Money
Now you will need to select an investment for the money in your Roth IRA. If you already have an investment in there, you can simply add $7,000 to it. Otherwise, you will need to select an investment in accordance with your written investing plan. If you do not have a written investing plan yet, you can leave the money in cash or put it into a Target Retirement 2050 fund or another lifecycle fund until you get that part of your financial plan worked out.
Step #5 Beware of the Pro-Rata Rule
Get rid of any SEP-IRA, SIMPLE IRA, traditional IRA, or rollover IRA money. The total sum of these accounts on December 31 of the year in which you do the conversion step (Step 2) must be zero to avoid a “pro-rata” calculation (see line 6 on Form 8606) that can eliminate most of the benefit of a Backdoor Roth IRA.
You can get rid of these IRA accounts in three ways:
- Withdraw the money (not recommended, as the money would be subject to tax and/or penalties, not to mention DECREASING your tax-advantaged/asset-protected investment space).
- Convert the entire sum to a Roth IRA. Only recommended if it is a relatively small amount and you can afford to pay the taxes out of current earnings or taxable investments with relatively high basis.
- Roll the money over into a 401(k), 403(b), or individual 401(k). 401(k)s don’t count in the aforementioned pro-rata calculation. Some physicians even open an individual 401(k) at Fidelity, eTrade, or Vanguard (rollovers from traditional IRAs to solo 401(k)s is a recent addition to Vanguard) in order to facilitate a Backdoor Roth IRA.
Step #6 Fill Out IRS Form 8606 Correctly
The next part of the Backdoor Roth IRA is done months later when you (or your accountant) fill out your IRS Form 8606 on your taxes. Don't forget to do it or there is a $50 penalty. Remember that you need one form for each spouse: INDIVIDUAL Retirement Arrangements. You need to double-check this to make sure it is done right, even if you hire a pro to avoid screwing up this part. Advisors have told me that they have had to help clients fix dozens of these that tax preparers have done improperly. If you don't do it right, you'll pay taxes twice on your Backdoor Roth IRA contribution.
Page 1 (below) shows a “distribution” from your non-deductible IRA. Since the money was already taxed, the taxable amount on your distribution is zero. Line 1 is your non-deductible contribution. On Line 2, your basis is zero because you had no money in a traditional IRA on December 31 of last year (if you've been carrying a non-deductible IRA for years, this may not be zero). Line 6 is zero in a typical year. Note that TurboTax may fill this out a little differently (may leave lines 6-12 blank), but you end up with the same thing. Line 13 is the same as line 3, so the tax due is zero.
Here's an example from the 2023 version of Form 8606.
On page 2 (below), you are showing the Roth conversion. I'm not really sure why you have to do this twice (since you're just transferring the amounts from lines 8 and 11 and then subtracting them), but that's what the form calls for. As you can see, a Roth conversion of a non-deductible traditional IRA contribution without any gains is a taxable event; it's just that the tax bill is zero for it.
When double-checking your tax preparer's work, you want to concentrate on lines 2, 14, 15c, and 18, and make sure they're a very small amount, like zero, and not a very large amount, like $7,000. The form can get more complicated if you are doing other Roth conversions at the same time or if you made a contribution for the previous year (i.e., made your 2022 contribution in 2023). See below for more details.
Notice how there is no place on the form to put the date when you made the contribution or the date when you made the conversion. It isn't on the form your IRA custodian sends to the IRS (1099-R) either.
Do It All Again Next Year
You do not have to wait any period of time between the contribution and conversion. Each year, I make my Traditional IRA contribution on January 2, then convert it to a Roth IRA the next day or within a few days. That gets my investment money working as soon as possible and simplifies the record keeping. Vanguard won’t let you do it the same day (sometimes other providers will), so I have to wait one day anyway. Occasionally they'll make you wait up to a week. If you find you have a few pennies left in the account and are worried you'll get pro-rated, take a look at this post: Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA.
More information here:
How to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA with Vanguard
How to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA at Fidelity
How to Fix and Prevent Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
In this section, we're going to talk about how to fix and prevent common mistakes in the Backdoor Roth IRA process. To better organize these mistakes, we will break down the process into the six very clear steps used above and then will explain possible errors with each step and what to do about them.
6 Steps to Successfully Contribute to a Backdoor Roth IRA
- Step 1 – Contribute to traditional IRA ($7,000, $8,000 if 50+ for 2024).
- Step 2 – Invest the money in a money market fund.
- Step 3 – Move money from a Traditional IRA to a Roth IRA (i.e., a Roth conversion).
- Step 4 – Invest in your preferred investment (typically a stock, bond, or balanced index mutual fund).
- Step 5 – Ensure you have no money in a traditional IRA, SEP-IRA, or SIMPLE IRA on December 31 of the year you do the CONVERSION step.
- Step 6 – Report the transactions correctly on your taxes by filling out Form 8606.
Seriously. That's it. If you can do a cholecystectomy, you can do this. If you can work up a pulmonary embolus appropriately, you can do this. If you can manage hypertension well, you can do this. If you can fill a cavity, you can do this. Super easy.
However, people still manage to screw up on EACH of those six steps. Let's go through the mistakes people make, step by step.
How to Fix Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
Step 1 Error – Contributing Directly to a Roth IRA
An error that commonly occurs with a first Backdoor Roth IRA is that people simply don't realize that their income is too high to make a direct Roth IRA contribution. Instead of doing it indirectly (i.e., going through the Backdoor), which is no big deal even if you're under the limit, they contribute directly to a Roth IRA. Then they realize their Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) is over $146,000-$161,000 ($230,000-$240,000 Married Filing Jointly) for 2024. Now what?
Enter the Recharacterization
If you have made this error, now you have to recharacterize the Roth IRA contribution to a traditional IRA contribution. This basically makes it as though you never contributed to a Roth IRA but contributed to a traditional IRA instead. You usually have to call your IRA provider to get this done, but it's no big deal. In this section, I'll walk you through the details of how to do it.
You have until the due date of your tax return to do this (including extensions). So, if you made an IRA contribution in January of 2023 for the 2023 tax year, you have until October 15, 2024, to do a recharacterization. There's no penalty or anything to do it. You can do the opposite as well if you contributed to a traditional IRA but meant to contribute directly to a Roth IRA.
Bear in mind that starting in 2018, you can no longer do recharacterizations of Roth CONVERSIONS (not contributions). This eliminated the “Roth IRA Conversion Horserace” technique for tax reduction.
Until only a couple of years ago, I had thought there was a waiting period after a recharacterization to then reconvert the money to a Roth IRA. However, that rule was only for recharacterizations of conversions, not contributions. There has never been a waiting period for a recharacterization.
Any gains that occur before the final conversion are, of course, fully taxable at your ordinary income tax rate in the year of the final conversion.
The Income Limit
The first thing to determine is whether this post even applies to you. If your income is below a certain amount, you can just contribute directly to a Roth IRA. That amount depends on several things. First, it is a MODIFIED Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI). That number is very similar to your Adjusted Gross Income (AGI). Remember how tax Form 1040 works.
The first income line you come to is line 7b, your “Total Income.” When people think about income, this is generally what they think of. The third income line on the form is line 11b. This is your “Taxable Income.” This is what your tax bill is actually calculated from. It is basically your total income minus all of your deductions. In between those two, on line 8b, is another income, your “Adjusted Gross Income.” This is “the line” that people are talking about when they use the phrases “above-the-line deduction” and “below-the-line deduction.” If it comes out before your AGI is calculated, it is an above-the-line deduction. These are deductions such as self-employment tax, self-employed retirement plans, self-employed health insurance premiums, HSA contributions, student loan interest, alimony, tuition, and any IRA deductions. If it comes out after your AGI is calculated, it is a below-the-line deduction. These are EITHER your standard deduction OR your itemized deductions, like mortgage interest, state/local/property taxes, and charitable contributions. A MAGI is just a slight tweak to your AGI.
Below are the MAGI limits for direct Roth IRA contributions [2024]. If your MAGI is below the first number, you can just contribute to a Roth IRA directly. If your MAGI is over the second number, you cannot contribute at all. If your MAGI is between the two numbers, you can make a partial direct contribution (most shouldn't bother with this, just do it all through the Backdoor).
- Married Filing Separately (and lived with spouse for at least part of the year): $0-$10,000
- Married Filing Jointly: $230,000-$240,000
- Single or Head of Household: $146,000-$161,000
If you think you'll be anywhere close to that first number, do yourself a favor and just make your Roth IRA contribution indirectly, i.e., through the Backdoor (contribute to a traditional IRA and then convert that contribution to a Roth IRA). Since 2010, there has been no income limit on Roth conversions and there has never been an income limit on traditional IRA contributions, just your ability to deduct them.
How does a MAGI differ from an AGI? It's a very slight difference. Bear in mind that there are other MAGIs out there. We're only talking about the one that affects Roth IRA contributions here. But to get your MAGI, you simply take your AGI, subtract some income from it, and add back in some other income to it. The worksheet showing you how to do this is Worksheet 2-1 in Publication 590.
Basically, you subtract income from a Roth conversion and you add income from IRA deductions (not sure why you'd have this), student loan interest (if you are using this worksheet, you probably don't have this), tuition deduction (you probably don't have this), a couple of rare deductions for foreign income/deductions (you probably don't have these), some savings bond interest you probably don't have much of, and some employer-provided adoption benefits. For most people, your MAGI = your AGI since all of these deductions are pretty rare for the folks worried about this limit for direct Roth IRA contributions. So, focus on your AGI. That means if you contributed directly to a Roth IRA but late in the year realized you probably should not have, one easy fix is to get your AGI below that limit by contributing to an HSA or a self-employed retirement plan like an individual 401(k) or SEP-IRA. Note that giving a bunch of money to charity is NOT a solution to this problem because that is a below-the-line deduction.
How to Do an IRA Recharacterization
If you can't get your MAGI low enough, you will have to do an IRA recharacterization. As far as the IRS is concerned, a recharacterization is as though you never made the Roth IRA contribution at all but made a traditional IRA contribution instead. You don't report a recharacterization separately; you just report a traditional IRA contribution. Keep in mind as you read on the internet about recharacterizations that there used to be two types of them—a recharacterization of a Roth IRA CONTRIBUTION and a recharacterization of a Roth IRA CONVERSION. The second type was outlawed in 2018, but the first one, the one we're talking about today, is still perfectly legal. If you decide you want to undo a Roth conversion these days, you're simply out of luck. Here is how you do a recharacterization of a Roth IRA contribution:
- You tell Vanguard (or wherever your IRAs are) to recharacterize the Roth IRA contribution to a Traditional IRA contribution.
Yup. That's it. The brokerage takes care of the rest. You can read all about all of the rules in Publication 590 Chapter 1 if you want, but that's basically what they say. Don't believe me? Fine. Here are the IRS instructions:
How Do You Recharacterize a Contribution?
To recharacterize a contribution, you must notify both the trustee of the first IRA (the one to which the contribution was actually made) and the trustee of the second IRA (the one to which the contribution is being moved) that you have elected to treat the contribution as having been made to the second IRA rather than the first. You must make the notifications by the date of the transfer. Only one notification is required if both IRAs are maintained by the same trustee. The notification(s) must include all of the following information:
- The type and amount of the contribution to the first IRA that is to be recharacterized.
- The date on which the contribution was made to the first IRA and the year for which it was made.
- A direction to the trustee of the first IRA to transfer in a trustee-to-trustee transfer the amount of the contribution and any net income (or loss) allocable to the contribution to the trustee of the second IRA.
- The name of the trustee of the first IRA and the name of the trustee of the second IRA.
- Any additional information needed to make the transfer.
In most cases, the net income you must transfer is determined by your IRA trustee or custodian.
See what I mean? It's just a phone call. Any earnings that the account had in between the contribution and the recharacterization just go over with the contribution. No big deal.
You have until your tax filing date to do this. Most of the time, that's April 15 of the next year. However, the IRS is even more lenient than that. You actually can do this for an extra six months after your tax filing date, but you will have to refile your return.
Where Do You Report a Recharacterization?
If you hire somebody else to prepare your taxes, you can skip this section. If you do it yourself, you'll need to make sure you report this correctly. According to Pub 590, you report it on our old friend Form 8606.
Pub 590 says this:
Actually, that's really misleading. If you read Form 8606, you will see that the only time it ever mentions a recharacterization is to tell you NOT to put it on the form.
So, what is Pub 590 talking about? They're talking about this section in the 8606 instructions:
Reporting recharacterizations.
Treat any recharacterized IRA contribution as though the amount of the contribution was originally contributed to the second IRA, not the first IRA. For the recharacterization, you must transfer the amount of the original contribution plus any related earnings or less any related loss. In most cases, your IRA trustee or custodian figures the amount of the related earnings you must transfer. If you need to figure the related earnings, see How Do You Recharacterize a Contribution? in chapter 1 of Pub. 590-A. Treat any earnings or loss that occurred in the first IRA as having occurred in the second IRA. You can’t deduct any loss that occurred while the funds were in the first IRA . . . Report the nondeductible traditional IRA portion of the recharacterized contribution, if any, on Form 8606, Part I. Don’t report the Roth IRA contribution (whether or not you recharacterized all or part of it) on Form 8606. Attach a statement to your return explaining the recharacterization. If the recharacterization occurred in 2023, include the amount transferred from the traditional IRA on 2023 Form 1040, 1040-SR, or 1040-NR, line 4a. If the recharacterization occurred in 2024, report the amount transferred only in the attached statement, and not on your 2023 or 2024 tax return.
The bottom line is that you just report this recharacterized contribution on Form 8606 as if it were the regular old non-deductible traditional IRA contribution that you should have made in the first place. You also need to include a statement. What should your statement look like? I would write something like this:
“To whom it may concern:
I made a 2024 Roth IRA contribution of $7,000 on March 13, 2024, because I didn't know about the whole MAGI limit thing when I made the contribution. After becoming smarter, I recharacterized $7,137.14 (original contribution plus earnings) to a traditional IRA on November 4, 2024. Thank you for helping our country fund its government. You're the best.
Hugs and kisses from your favorite taxpayer,
James Dahle”
Seriously, it doesn't say what has to be on the statement, just that there is one “explaining the recharacterization.” You don't even have to tell them why you did the recharacterization. If you had a loss in the account between contribution and recharacterization, no big deal. It's still as though you made a $7,000 contribution to a traditional IRA and THEN it lost money. If you were able to deduct the contribution (you probably can't) you would get a $7,000 deduction. The IRA provider may also send you a Form 5498 (which has the recharacterized amount on line 4), but you don't actually do anything with it when you file your taxes. It's just an informational return.
Reconverting the IRA
Here is where it gets interesting. You've now fixed your mistake in the eyes of the IRS, going from an illegal Roth IRA contribution to a legal traditional IRA contribution (that is probably not deductible for you). But you aren't done with what you meant to do, which is put money into a Roth IRA. You now need to do a Roth conversion. You do it just like you normally would as if you had contributed originally to the Traditional IRA. You can do it the very next day if you like. You can probably even do it the same day; just make sure there is a paper trail showing the money was actually in the traditional IRA at some point. There used to be a waiting period after a recharacterization before you could do a Roth conversion on that money. But that waiting period only ever applied to the recharacterization of a Roth CONVERSION (which was no longer allowed starting in 2018) and NOT the recharacterization of a Roth CONTRIBUTION. So, there is no waiting period. Just reconvert convert it and go on your merry way.
I hope this information helps you fix your mistake. Just do your Roth IRA contributions through the Backdoor going forward, and you won't have this problem again.
Step 2 Error – Not Investing in a Money Market Fund in the Traditional IRA
What happens if you LOSE money in between the contribution and conversion step? This problem is easily avoided by using an investment like a money market fund that does not go down in value for that time period. But some people fail to do so and end up losing money. When they work their way through their IRS Form 8606, they discover they have basis left over that they can then carry forward indefinitely for years! No big deal; it just makes your paperwork more complicated. Perhaps at some point in the future, you'll do a Roth conversion of tax-deferred money and this carry-forward basis will reduce the tax on that event.
What if you MADE money in the account between contribution and conversion? This actually happens most of the time, so I wrote an entire post on it called Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA. Technically, any money earned between the contribution and conversion step is fully taxable at ordinary income tax rates in the year of the conversion. If it is less than 50 cents, you just ignore it. If it's more, you report it on your 8606 and pay taxes on it.
If it is still in the traditional IRA, either do another tiny Roth conversion or leave it there until you do next year's Backdoor Roth IRA process. Either is fine. If you were smart and just used a money market fund and did the conversion as soon as your IRA provider allowed it (usually less than a week and sometimes as early as the next day), this won't be much money and there won't be much tax due.
Step 3 Error – Forgetting to Do the Conversion
If you forgot to do the conversion step for eight months afterward, it could be a huge gain on which you're unnecessarily paying taxes. No way to fix this one, just pay your “stupid tax” and move on.
Step 4 Error – Forgetting to Invest the Roth IRA Money
Even worse than paying taxes on a huge gain is not getting the gain in the first place because you left the money sitting in cash for months. No way to fix this one either. Your “stupid tax” this time comes in the form of opportunity cost. Just get the money invested ASAP to stop the cash drag. Maybe you even got lucky and the market went down in between contribution and investment so now you get to buy low.
Step 5 Error – The Pro-Rata Rule
Some of the most common questions I get are from people who make a late contribution to a Backdoor Roth IRA. What do I mean by late? You are allowed to make an IRA contribution AFTER the calendar year ends. In fact, you have until Tax Day, usually April 15 unless you get an extension of up to six months. While it is to your advantage to contribute to retirement accounts as quickly as possible so that money can start compounding in a tax-protected way, I understand that we all have lots of good things to do with our money and sometimes this gets pushed back into the next calendar year. All it really does is complicate your paperwork a bit.
For example: if you made your 2023 IRA contribution in April 2024, instead of reporting both the contribution and the conversion on your 2023 taxes, you would report only the contribution there. The conversion would be reported on the taxes for the year you did the conversion, i.e., your 2024 tax return due in April 2025. Your 2023 IRS Form 8606 becomes a little simpler and your 2024 IRS Form 8606 becomes a little more complicated. Not a big deal if you can follow the simple instructions.
What confuses people, however, is the pro-rata rule. This is the rule that says you need to empty your traditional IRA by December 31 of the year you do the conversion. Since these folks have never filled out a Form 8606 (or apparently read the instructions), they assume that for a 2023 contribution they need to have a balance of $0 at the end of 2023, even if they didn't do the conversion step until 2024. That's simply not the case. The pro-rata rule isn't applied until the year of the conversion, i.e., December 31, 2024.
Emptying the IRAs
How do you empty those IRAs? You usually have two choices.
- Do a Roth conversion of the whole thing. This is what I generally recommend for small IRAs where the tax bill on the conversion would not be too onerous. It is quick and easy, and it increases the amount of tax-free assets you have.
- Roll the money into a 401(k) or 403(b), either that of your current employer, that of a past employer, or to your own individual 401(k) if you are self-employed. This is usually a better option if you have a large IRA where you would rather deal with the hassle than pay the tax bill during your peak earnings years.
How large is large and how small is small? It's going to vary by the person and how much disposable cash they have. Most would consider an IRA under $10,000 to be small and an IRA over $100,000 to be large. In between, it's a personal decision as to which would be better for you.
What If You Didn't Empty the IRA?
What if you screwed this one up? Your Backdoor Roth IRA conversion step just got pro-rata'd. There is a tax bill associated with that because most of your conversion was of tax-deferred money rather than post-tax money like it was supposed to be.
The fix for this is going to vary by the individual, but the easiest fix is to simply convert the entire IRA to a Roth IRA now, so you end up getting all your post-tax money into that Roth IRA. Another possible fix is to figure out a way to separate your basis in that IRA, roll the tax-deferred money into a 401(k), and then convert the basis left behind in the IRA.
Do yourself a favor and just empty the darn IRA by December 31. Keep in mind that this is usually not an instantaneous process, so don't put it off until you're on holiday break at the end of the year.
Step 6 Error – Screwing Up the Tax Forms
Both individual taxpayers and professional tax preparers screw up IRS Form 8606 all the time. In fact, some of them haven't even heard of a Backdoor Roth IRA. (Incidentally, this is one of the best questions to ask while interviewing a potential tax professional—”How many Backdoor Roth IRAs did you help last year?”)
The usual fix to this error is to file a 1040X (Amended Tax Return) and a new Form 8606. You can do this for the last three years if necessary. If you didn't file Form 8606 at all, you'll definitely want to do this. The key is to check lines 15c and 18 on Form 8606. They should both be a number very close to zero if the form is being completed correctly.
The tax preparer should NOT be filing Form 5439. If you did Steps 1-5 right, this form probably doesn't belong in your tax return.
A lot of people wonder about the 1099-R sent to them by their IRA provider and worry that it was done wrong and that it will cause them to pay taxes they shouldn't have to pay. Sometimes the form was filled out wrong, but mostly this is just a lot of anxiety. What gets people anxious is finding something on Line 2a “Taxable amount.” As long as the box on Line 2b is also checked “Taxable amount not determined,” you're golden. Don't worry about it. If it is not, have the IRA provider send you a new, correct form—either with $0 in 2a or the box in 2b checked (usually the latter). Here's what mine from a few years back looked like from Vanguard:
Note that Box 2b is checked, even though a taxable amount of $5,500.07 is being reported to the IRS.
Again, if you're not sure how to enter this into TurboTax, check out my TurboTax tutorial.
Still Confused About the Backdoor Roth?
Need more help with a Backdoor Roth IRA? I wish Congress would just lift the rule against direct Roth IRA contributions for high earners and save us all this hassle, but who knows if that will ever happen.
- If you made your contribution after the end of the year, check out Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA.
- Here's a step-by-step tutorial for doing a Backdoor Roth IRA at Vanguard.
- Here's a step-by-step tutorial for doing a Backdoor Roth IRA at Fidelity.
- Here is a step-by-step tutorial reporting the Backdoor Roth IRA in TurboTax.
- Here is my prior post on 17 Ways to Screw Up Your Backdoor Roth IRA.
- You can hire a professional to help you—either a good financial advisor or a good tax strategist can assist.
- You can also ask your peers for help on the WCI Forum, the Private WCI Facebook Group, and the WCI Subreddit.
Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA
While it is “cleaner” to make your contribution and your conversion all in the same calendar tax year, you can make your contribution up until your tax filing date of the next year. The key to filling out the 8606 correctly when you make a contribution after the calendar year is to recognize that the contribution step is reported for the tax year and the conversion step is reported for the calendar year. So imagine you did the following during the calendar year 2023:
- Made a 2022 IRA contribution (reported on 2022 8606)
- Did a Roth conversion of that contribution (reported on 2023 8606)
- Made a 2023 IRA contribution (reported on 2023 8606)
- Did a Roth conversion of that contribution (reported on 2023 8606)
Your forms would look like this:
2022 Form 8606 (Only Have to Fill Out Part I)
Note that all this serves to do is report basis for the next year. No tax is due. Since no conversion step was done during the calendar year 2022, you only have to fill out lines 1-3 and 14.
2023 Form 8606 (Must Fill Out Parts I and II)
Note that you've got to do all of Part I plus Part II for this year because you did the conversion step, unlike last year (2022). Let's go through this line by line.
Form 8606 – Part I
- Line 1 – That's the money you contributed for 2023 (which would be $6,500).
- Line 2 – This is your basis. Since you made a contribution for 2022 but didn't do a conversion until 2023, your basis is $6,000.
- Line 3 – $6,500 + $6,000 = $12,500.
- Line 4 – Remember this is asking about 2024, not 2023, and since you won't make the mistake of doing your contribution late again, this will be zero.
- Line 5 – $12,500 – $0 = $12,500.
- Line 6 – This is the line that triggers the pro-rata issue. Even though you made a 2022 contribution, you did so AFTER December 31, so this line would still be zero if you filled it out for 2022, which you didn't because you didn't do a conversion in 2022 and got to skip lines 4-13. But this is the 2023 form and since you converted your entire traditional IRA, this will be $0.
- Line 7 – This doesn't include conversions. Since you didn't take any money out of your traditional IRA this year except the conversion, this is $0.
- Line 8 – You converted a total of $12,500 this year to a Roth IRA, so $12,500.
- Line 9 – $0 + $0 + $12,500 = $12,500.
- Line 10 – $12,500/$12,500 = 1.
- Line 11 – $12,500 * 1 = $12,500.
- Line 12 – $0 * 1 = $0.
- Line 13 – $12,500 + $0 = $12,500.
- Line 14 – $12,500 – $12,500 = $0.
- Line 15a – $0 – $0 = $0.
- Line 15b – You didn't take money out of an IRA to help you survive a disaster, so $0.
- Line 15c – $0 – $0 = $0.
Part II
- Line 16 – Line 8 is $12,500 so $12,500.
- Line 17 – Line 11 is $12,500 so $12,500.
- Line 18 – $12,500 – $12,500 = $0.
Backdoor Roth IRA FAQs
Can I still do a Backdoor Roth IRA for last year?
You have until tax day (generally April 15, but as late as October 15 if you file an extension) of the following year to make your traditional IRA contribution. There is no deadline for the Roth conversion step; it can be done at anytime. Make sure you fill out the paperwork properly according to the section above about late contributions.
Can I do last year's IRA contribution and this year's IRA contribution at the same time and convert them at the same time?
Yes. Just remember to report last year's contribution on last year's Form 8606 and this year's contribution and the conversion on this year's Form 8606.
Does my 401(k), 403(b), 457(b), Roth IRA, or inherited IRA count toward the pro-rata calculation?
No. Only traditional IRAs, rollover IRAs, SEP-IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs count. See line 6 of Form 8606 for details.
What if it is a separate IRA? Does it still count?
Yes. All IRAs count toward the pro-rata calculation.
What should I do with my rollover or traditional IRA to avoid pro-ration?
If it is small, convert it to a Roth IRA along with this year's traditional IRA contribution and pay the tax due on it. If large, try to roll it into your employer's 401(k) or if you have self-employment income, into your individual 401(k).
I got pro-rated. What now?
The easiest solution is to convert the entire IRA, SEP-IRA, or SIMPLE IRA that caused the pro-ration and is now composed of both pre-tax and after-tax money. That is also the most expensive solution. A harder solution that may save you some taxes involves isolating the basis in that IRA by rolling the rest of the account into a 401(k) and then convert just the basis to a Roth IRA.
I am leaving my employer. Should I roll my 401(k) or 403(b) into a traditional IRA? If not, what should I do with it?
If you put it into a traditional IRA it is going to cause any future Backdoor Roths to be pro-rated. Better options include leaving it where it is; rolling it into your new employer's 401(k) or 403(b); rolling it into your individual 401(k); or, if it is small, just converting the whole thing to a Roth IRA.
How much can I contribute to a Roth IRA via the Backdoor Roth IRA process?
In 2024, you are allowed to contribute $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) per year for you and $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) for your spouse. This includes all contributions to traditional and Roth IRAs. Rollovers/transfers do not count toward the annual contribution limit.
What should I invest the money into?
While in the traditional IRA for a day or two, leave it in cash. Once it is in the Roth IRA, invest it according to your written investing plan. If you don't have one, get one, but in the meantime it would be a good idea to put it into a lifecycle fund such as a Vanguard Target Retirement Fund.
Can I use the same traditional and Roth IRA each year or do I need new ones?
You can use the same ones each year.
The Backdoor Roth IRA process leads to more tax-free retirement account money for doctors and other high-income professionals. If you follow the simple steps outlined above, you will pay less in taxes, boost your returns, facilitate your estate planning, and increase your asset protection. Most members of The White Coat Investor community do these every year, and you should too.
What do you think? Are you doing Backdoor Roth IRAs? Why or why not? Any questions about it?
[This updated post was originally published in 2014.]
Actually, if your doing going into S & P 500 at Vanguard their expense ratio is 0.03, and with frec it is 0.1. So theres that additional 0.07 cost. I misunderstood that. Depends if its worth it then, youre right.
I performed a back door Roth in January. My group has now decided to close our CBP by the end of the year. I will need to roll my portion(1mil+) into a traditional IRA. Because of the value I do not want to rollover the new traditional IRA. I’m assuming I will now need to recharacterize the back door Roth that I performed earlier in the year. Any other suggestions? Thanks
Do you still have a 401(k)? Roll it in there.
That Roth conversion is definitely going to be pro-rated if you don’t. Not sure how much you should care though. Getting pro-rated isn’t illegal.
Assume the 401k rollover is not an option. We will save that discussion for another day/post.
If I recharacterize the Roth conversion or pay the pro-rata tax/penalty how messy does it make the traditional IRA in the years going forward given that it now contains pre-tax and after-tax contributions. I assume the after-tax component would drag along for the duration of the IRA even though its percentage of the IRA would be very low.
Thanks for your help!
Basis gets carried forward on the 8606 every year. That’s all the messier it gets.
This post is great and I wanted to confirm that law hasn’t changed with respect to below scenario.
In 2023, 401(k) from prior employer was rolled into a traditional IRA
For the past few years, I have performed backdoor Roth Conversions (making max contribution to traditional IRA in January and rolling over to a ROTH IRA and didn’t pay taxes in connection with conversion
For 2023, I was trapped by pro rata rule and had to pay tax on the substantial portion of me backdoor conversion (with tax return)
For 2024, I now have a ROTH IRA and traditional IRA; in traditional IRA, all funds consist of rolled amount from prior employer + modest interest and I now have some basis attributed to pro rata rule.
To avoid pro rata rule in 2024 and beyond, would the following work:
Move traditional IRA balance (minus amount subject to tax in 2023 due to pro rata rule) to 401(k) with current employer that permits conduit IRA transfers (assuming no commingling, and I understand interest accrual doesn’t constitute commingling). Then perform a ROTH conversion for balance which is exactly equal to taxed amount in 2023 (noting I convert to a ROTH earlier in January 2024 for the max amount of a new IRA contribution). IF traditional IRA balance is at 0 at 12/31, no further pro rata rule applies and can be avoided in the future.
That should work to isolate and convert the basis, yes.
Hello- can you please comment on the process for providers/staff that are federally employed (specifically Veteran Affairs) and have only the TSP options available to them. What are the steps they must follow to utilize the mega backdoor Roth conversion option with their TSPs. Thanks!
Starting in 2026, the TSP will offer in plan conversions, the second step of the Mega Backdoor Roth IRA process. At least military folks can currently do the first step, after-tax contributions, while deployed. So I guess starting in 2026 TSPers will be able to do the MBDR for the first time. More on the MBDR here:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/the-mega-backdoor-roth-ira/
I just emptied by Traditional IRA into by 401K to have a zero balance for end of year. I was told that some interest may accrue for the partial month and post to the account. Is there a way to avoid having this interest trigger the pro rata rule the last day of the year with a 100% pre-tax balance?
I have only converted $1,000 this year, so from what I can tell, I could add $6,000 post-tax dollars to the IRA and hold them through the year change to set a 99.9% post-tax rate for the $1,000 conversion. Then just convert the $6,000 and change into the Roth next year and start clearing out the IRA to a zero balance sooner.
It’s not a “trigger” like it vaults all your income into a new bracket or something. Only the interest amount would be pro-rated. Getting pro-rated on $7 isn’t a big deal. And you can just convert that $7 easily and fix the issue. Did you do a conversion in 2024? If no conversion, no pro-ration anyway.
So… I did the $7,000 Roth conversion back in January 2024. I logged in to my Vanguard account today and noticed that there is a $2 balance on the traditional IRA. What should I do?!
I would start with reading this post written for the plethora of people who get this question every year. The bummer is you just noticed on December 30th which makes it harder to fix in the best possible way, but it’s still no big deal.
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/pennies-and-the-backdoor-roth-ira/
Wife has Roth IRA (Call it Investment A) now and contribute max to every year. Wife makes 0 income over history of this Roth. Hubby makes income and contributes max to 401k (Call it Investment B) so this Roth is considered a spousal IRA (easy peasy to do on Turbotax) and up to this point (2023) they were under the income cap. However, some RSUs vested last year which put hubby over limit (barely). Hubby has traditional IRA (Call it C) which he no longer contributes to (over a decade with no new money in other than created by the IRA), wife does not have any other IRAs (just A). Will prorata rule apply for back door Roth contribution for wife this year? To put it another way, does the 2024 spousal IRA contribution (to be made prior to April 15, investment A) need to consider prorata calculation of husband IRA (C)? Or, since accounts are in different names (but same tax return as file joint) is there an issue?
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/ira-recharacterizations/
No biggie. Happens all the time. Recharacterize and then convert and pay taxes on the earnings that occurred before the conversion.
IRA stands for INDIVIDUAL Retirement Arrangement. Wife’s IRA has nothing to do with husband’s. So husband’s IRA balance doesn’t cause wife to have a pro-rata issue.
Thanks, I don’t think recharacterization needed though as wife’s contribution for 2024 not made yet. It’s good to know the pro-rata thing is not an issue. One more question though.
If income for couple is exactly 232k, one would want to contribute 6.4k to existing Roth and 1.6k to regular IRA (post tax) and then do backdoor on the 1.6k as soon as possible after regular IRA contribution, right? What if income ends up being 231k, does one need to be precise (7.2/0.8 for Roth/backdoor) or just ensure the regular Roth is not over the amount allowed?
You can just do it all through the Backdoor Roth. Everyone can do that. Splitting it sounds like a major headache to me.
I have tried to follow the instructions but am running into an issue. I created a traditional IRA at vanguard and deposited $14k on 1/3/25. I was hoping to convert to roth IRA all of it ($7k for 2024 and $7k for 2025). I called Vanguard to help convert it an the agent said I would run into tax issues. So I wanted to check with some tax people and they said that for 2024 the rules have changed, that I wouldn’t be able to do it like it was done before. I called vanguard to see if I could just withdraw the money and use it for my wife’s IRA. The new agent said that I could still do the later contribution and conversion without issue. Does anyone have any information on this? Were rules changed for 2024 to not allow for a contribution/conversion in 2025? Needless to say, I will be doing this in January of every year to not run into this issue again. Thanks!
Hi there. I became aware of the backdoor Roth option in early 2024 (I am above the limit for direct Roth contribution). I had a traditional IRA that had c.$40k of post-tax dollars in it (i.e. funded out of my net pay). Those dollars were invested in funds, so I liquidated it and then completed a Roth conversion on the entire amount – in March 2024. As I understood it, I had no other option if I wanted to move the entire balance to a Roth, and I understand I will have to pay tax on the capital gains (and of course going forward, I will do the standard annual contribution and conversion as you describe). The traditional IRA balance was $0 at the end of 2024. I have two questions: 1) Given the traditional IRA balance was $0 at the end of 2024, my basis would be $0, correct? ; 2) What form, or how would I calculate, the capital gains due for my tax return (i.e., since that is no on the 1099-R form)? Thanks
They’re not called capital gains, but yes, you will owe taxes on the earnings in between contribution and conversion.
1. Basis is the amount of after-tax money you put in it.
2. There are no capital gains. The earnings are fully taxable at ordinary income tax rates. If you know your basis, the rest is taxable. This’ll all be calculated on Form 8606, so see those instructions for more info.
Okay i have a loss of about $206 on $1000 contributed in nov of 2024 in my traditional IRA. I was hoping it would go up to a gain position but that doesn’t look likely. Can I just trade out of that position in my Traditional IRA to say money market or another more stable stock in my IRA and then roll that new balance to my Roth so i dont have to deal with a carry over loss? If i completely zero out my loss position stock into another stock there is no more loss right? Does my question make sense?
The loss carries over whether it sits in a stock that went down after you bought it or a money market fund. It isn’t a capital loss. It’s a loss in value of the IRA before the conversion. This is why I tell people not to invest it until they get to the Roth.
Thank you for the helpful post. I am just getting acquainted with the Backdoor Roth Process and already feel late to the game. I have been heavily contributing to my SEP IRA since it’s start in 2023 and currently have about $167k in it with a basis of $149k. Now, I would like to do a Roth conversion of my tIRA for 2023-2025 contributions which will be about 21k. My issue is, I’m not sure how to avoid the Pro-rata rule unless I convert my entire SEP IRA. Rolling it into my past employer’s 401k is not an option, and since I own my practice and have other employees I do not qualify for a Solo 401k. I’m not sure if I am eligible for a Solo 401k (as a sole prop or 1099) for my own practice, as the owner of the other entity which has other employees. If rolling my SEP IRA into a 401k is not an option, what would be my other options for emptying my IRAs? How much of a tax bill would it be for the proration? Is the calculation (21500/167000)=0.13? What does the 0.13 represent? Appreciate all your help and guidance!
You can convert the entire SEP IRA or roll it into a 401(k). Either works to avoid pro-ration.
If you have employees, have one of these guys help you do a study of your practice to figure the right retirement plan for it.
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/retirementaccounts/
Your two businesses are considered as one by the IRS if you’re the main owner of both. So you may not have even been eligible to do that SEP IRA.
Should “Line 4” for “2022 Form 8606 (Only Have to Fill Out Part I)” be 6000 in the “Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA” scenario?
The 2022 contribution was made in the 2023 calendar year.
Whatever the limit was for that year. Actually whatever you contributed, because it could be less than the limit. So if you’re making a “late” contribution for 2024 this year, it would be a $7,000 contribution. If you did it last year, it would also be $7,000. I think the limit in 2022 was $6,500 and for 2021 was $6,000, but I’d have to check a historical source. Let me see if I can find one on the internet.
Here we go:
Annual traditional IRA contributions are limited as follows:[4]
Year Age 49 and below Age 50 and above
2005 $4,000 $4,500
2006–2007 $4,000 $5,000
2008–2012* $5,000 $6,000
2013–2018 $5,500 $6,500
2019–2021[5][6] $6,000 $7,000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_IRA
Note quite up to date though. But Googling will quickly find the answer.
2022: $6,000, $7,000
2023: $6,500, $7,500
2024 $7,000, $8,000
2025 $7,000, $8,000
It’s tough to keep every image and every line of a 14 year old blog up to date at all moments of course, so when reading old stuff, bear in mind contribution limits change most years.
Sorry, I wasn’t implying the image wasn’t up to date.
I was asking in terms of the historical value because line 4 is blank instead of having a value.
I’m not really sure what image or line of the post you’re referring to. In fact, where I reply to comments I don’t even see the post. But line 4 of the 2024 8606 says:
Enter those contributions included on line 1 that were made from January 1, 2025, through April 15, 2025 4
So yes, that’s where a “late contribution” is listed. If there is an image that is supposed to describe a late contribution that doesn’t have anything on that line, then it’s wrong.
As I scan through the post, I see an image
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/backdoor-roth-ira-form-8606-late-2023.jpg
Yes, Line 4 on that image should have the contribution amount on it. Not sure why it doesn’t. Whoever updated this post a few years ago didn’t do it correctly. I’ll pass it to our content team to update.
I read through most of these and think I know the answer but want some simple clarification on the mechanics of converting a mix of pre/after tax funds (cream in the coffee example). Can someone confirm this is correct?
Example:
Traditional IRA: $50K pre-tax contribution, $7K after-tax contribution, $5K combined market gains
Step 1: Convert funds to cash within the Traditional IRA ($62K total)
Step 2: Rollover pre-tax contributions and all gains ($55K total) to employer 401K plan
Step 3: Convert remaining $7K after-tax contribution to Roth IRA
No tax implication
That’s correct. This assumes the plan allows pre-tax rollovers but not after-tax (not Roth) money. Then you can isolate your basis as you’ve proposed and do a tax-free Roth conversion on it.
Is anyone still responding on here? My husband and I contributed nondeductible 6500 dollars each to traditional IRA with immediate conversion to backdoor Roth IRA. However Fidelity 1099-r labels the total contribution it as “gross distribution” in box 1, and Taxable amount in box 2a. However, it also checks box 2b with”taxable amount not determined.” When I called Fidelity, they said the gross distribution is the amount that is converted to Roth IRA and even though there is no interest accrued, we basically have to pay taxes again on after tax contributions. When I said that box 2a and box 2b contradict each other, they said I have to discuss with my tax advisor.
Per my HR block tax preparer, however, and she said this is the law and we had to pay the taxes for the additional 13000 dollars.
It still doesn’t make sense to me. Why would anyone do back door Roth, and pay additional income tax on after tax dollars, instead of putting the money in a brokerage account and pay lower capital gains tax? I did try to look for info on IRS website, didn’t find anything. But on investopedia website it says that you don’t pay additional taxes on nondeductible contributions to IRA.
Any feedback would be appreciated!
Ok, I just reread the article about filling out form 8606. Shouldn’t HR block know this? Super annoyed. And why the contradictory info on 1099-r…
3520 comments on this blog, all responded to, and you’re wondering if anyone is monitoring them? I guess the answer is yes.
You absolutely DO NOT have to pay taxes on that $13K again. Your preparer is wrong. The Fidelity guy that said he doesn’t give tax advice is right though.
If you really want that guy to prepare your taxes, you might show him this:
https://thefinancebuff.com/how-to-backdoor-roth-hr-block-software.html
Thanks! I realize my answers are in these 1000s of responses, just don’t know how to filter. Anyway, appreciate the link! 🙏
Impossible to filter, but I do try to answer them all in the post itself!
First timer doing back door roth.
I live in Michigan and had to file a “Withholding Certificate” form prior to being able to transfer the 7k from Traditional to Roth IRA at Schwab.
The form took several business days to process and 11 cents in interest accrued in the traditional IRA.
With calling Schwab, they finally approved the transfer, however, they transferred the extra 11 cents as well.
I invested the 7k but have not invested the 11 cents.
Does this 11 cents put me over the contribution limit, and if so, should I complete a “Remove an Excess IRA Contribution” form?
Any advice is appreciated!
No and no. It’ll be fine. Just ignore it.
Anyone know how to handle the following situation: Contributed max to a Roth IRA throughout 2024, but ended up filing Married – Separate. Recharacterized the 7k contribution + gains to a traditional IRA to avoid the overcontribution penalty, but want to now potentially do the backdoor back to the Roth account. How would I report this move for my 2024 taxes? Am I better off just leaving the 7k + gains in the traditional IRA and not dealing with the mess?
You report it as a traditional IRA contribution.
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/ira-recharacterizations/
No. Convert it.
When i go to convert from traditional to roth it asks me if i want federal or state income tax withheld. I pay taxes as a K1. Would I withhold?
No, there won’t be any taxes due on a backdoor Roth IRA conversion so seems silly to withhold anything.
• I was ineligible to contribute to a Roth IRA for 2021 & 2022 due to income limitations.
I contributed $4K to my Roth IRA and $2k to my Traditional IRA in 2021.
I contributed $3K to my Roth IRA and $3k to my Traditional IRA in 2022.
After realizing the mistake in 2022, I recharacterized the full Roth IRA contributions for years 2021 & 2022 to the Traditional IRA in 2022. This amount was $6151 due to market performance. After recharacterizing, I transferred the full value of the Traditional IRA $6151 to my Roth IRA, thus completing a backdoor Roth IRA conversion.
I still have not corrected the Tax forms, what do I need to do on my taxes to correctly report this? Would I complete a Form 8606 and if so how should it look? Any other forms that I need to fix like 1040?
I guess you need to refile your 2021 and 2022 tax forms ASAP, no? Not sure if you can even still do 2021. Maybe there is no change in tax due, but I’d make sure and probably send in a 1040X with an 8606 for each year.
Sure, I can do that!
Can you please direct me on where the above numbers go in 8606 in year 2021 and 2022?
Well, with the recharacterization you contributed $6K into a traditional IRA for 2021,, no? So $6K goes onto line 1 and 3 and 14.
For 2022, you’ll have $6K on 1, $6K on 2, $12K on 3, then if you did the conversion in 2022, you can work your way through the form.
Do the following numbers look correct on form 8606 for the year 2022 based on my original question? Also, I did receive a 1099-R from Traditional account with amount of $8752 and Recharacterized contributions for the year are $6152.
Form 8606 – Part I
Line 1 – 6000
Line 2 – $6,000.
Line 3 – $6,500 + $6,000 = $12,000.
Line 4 – zero.
Line 5 – $12,500 – $0 = $12,500.
Line 6 – $0.
Line 7 – this is $0.
Line 8 – $8752
Line 9 – $8752
Line 10 – $8752/$8752 = 1.
Line 11 – $12,500 * 1 = $12,500.
Line 12 – $0
Line 13 – $8752
Line 14 – $8752 – $12,000 = $3248
Line 15a – $0 – $0 = $0.
Line 15b – You didn’t take money out of an IRA to help you survive a disaster, so $0.
Line 15c – $0 – $0 = $0.
Part II
Line 16 – Line 8 is $8752 so $87520.
Line 17 – Line 11 is $87520 so $87520.
Line 18 – $12,500 – $12,500 = $0.
I should really start offering a paid 8606 review service.
But I really like how line 15c and line 18 are $0. That’s what I expect to see on Backdoor Roth IRA 8606s. This 8606 says you did a contribution of $6K in 2022 and did a conversion of $8572. Is that what you did? Not sure how or why you’re 10Xing that for lines 16 and 17 though. Nor your calculation for 18.
I come back to this website every year as it is so helpful when filing out the 8606. Thank you yet again for such a great website and info! My question is: This will be my 3rd year doing a Backdoor Roth IRA. In 2024 I contributed to my Traditional and immediatly converted it to a Roth IRA (all done in July 2024). I still have $21 in my Traditional IRA (it somehow gained some money by sitting for a day each time- this $21 is from the past couple contributions and conversions). Can I just keep the $21 in the Traditional IRA and only report the $7,000 in the 8606 for 2024? The total basis is confusing to me and I do not want to jeoparidize anything by putting $21 in line 2. I am happy to just keep that money in the Traditional IRA and it was never used as a deduction on my taxes in the past becasue this Traditional IRA was opened and a 8606 was used from Day 1. Thank you for your help on this!
This post is written for folks like you:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/pennies-and-the-backdoor-roth-ira/
The best way to prevent this issue is to go back in a few days later and convert the “pennies” (now dollars) in a second Roth conversion. But for 2024, your conversion will be slightly pro-rated. No big deal, you’ll clean it up with your 2025 conversion. Remember the $7000 limit is on the contribution, NOT the conversion. So if you had done this right, you’d have contributed $7000 and converted $7021. So in 2025, you’ll contribute $7,000 and convert $7000 + $21 + a few more bucks it made in interest in 2025.
Thank you for the quick response. I cannot just keep it in the Traditional IRA?
I meant to keep just the $21 in the Traditional IRA and never convert it to a Roth? Is that ok?
You can do that, but every conversion you do will be pro-rated. So I wouldn’t if I were you.
As I am reviewing your comment and working on this to fix it, I realized I had $14 at the end of 2023 still in my Traditional IRA from interest it earned before the conversion but I did not put that amount in line 6 for the pro-rata rule and then come 2024, I contributed and converted $7k right away but now the interest total of 2023 and 2024 is $21. How do I fix this? Can I just convert the $21 now and put that $21 in line 6 of the 2024 8606 Form? This way come 2025, line 6 will be back to $0. I am really praying I do not need to amend my 2023 tax return because I forgot to put the $14 in line 6.
Thanks for a helpful post (which I clearly failed to follow)!
I’ve been pro-rata’d. I had a balance in my SIMPLE IRA on 12/31/24 after making a nondeductible contribution to my traditional and converting it to a Roth in 2024.
Can you please explain how I can fix this? You touch on it a little, but I’m confused about the actual calculations, and literally every tax advisor I’ve spoken with has NO IDEA what to do!!!! Ideally I’d like to pay the taxes due on the prorated portion converted (no problem), convert the remaining “elegible” nondeductible dollars from my SIMPLE, if that’s possible?, then roll the remaining pre-tax dollars in my SIMPLE to my 401k. I’m nervous on calculating and defending the exact numbers given my info…
$7,000 nondeductible contributed to Traditional
$7,007.63 converted
$25,690.01 in SIMPLE at close of 2024
Thank you!
There is no awesome fix, especially with a SIMPLE. You may be able to get it cleaned up eventually, or you may just be carrying that tax-exempt balance forward on Form 8606s until you eventually withdraw the money.
Where are you at in the SIMPLE? Is that an old plan or your current one? Are you allowed to move the money out and convert it now? If so, the easiest fix is probably to just convert the whole thing to a Roth IRA. Basically between 2024 and 2025 you’d own the tax on $26K so what…something like $8-10K maybe? Can you afford that? If so, that’s what I’d do.
If you can’t move the money out of the SIMPLE yet, you may have to push this forward for a few years until you can.
I had an old 401K that I rolled into a traditional 401K late last year. I am considering rolling it into a backdoor Roth as income potential will continue to grow.
1. Should I go the backdoor Roth route or leave it as traditional Roth?
2. If I roll it over by April 15, will it still count for 2024?
3. The amount is ~30K, should I do one lump sum rollover or split over over x number of years? Income for 2024 will be the lowest it will ever be.
4. Can you also confirm that this will not affect our annual contributions?
Sorry, very new to this. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
I have no idea what you are asking because you’re using very specific teriminology in what I’m pretty sure is an incorrect way. Did you roll your old 401(k) into a traditional IRA? I bet you did. There’s no such thing as a “backdoor Roth” account. The “backdoor Roth” is a process where you contribute to a Roth IRA indirectly. “Rollovers” from a tax-deferred account to a Roth account are generally referred to as conversions.
1. I have no idea. Hardest question in personal finance and you’re giving me nothing to help you decide. But if you don’t, you won’t be doing Backdoor Roth IRAs each year due to the pro-rata issue. More info here:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/roth-contribution-or-conversion/
2. No. Roth conversions done in 2025 are taxed in 2025. But you seem very confused on how the Backdoor Roth IRA process works. You seem to be confusing it with a typical Roth conversion (the Roth conversion step of the Backdoor Roth IRA process is not taxable, but what you describing would be. There is no deadline for Roth conversions, only contributions.
3. Depends on how rich you are. I’d do it all at once and just plan to pay the $10Kish in taxes this year, especially if it’s a low income year for you and you’re rich enough to be able to afford the tax bill.
4. Conversions don’t affect contributions.
This post may help too:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/roth-conversions/
If you read those two links and this entire post, I think you’ll be a little more clear about what you’re doing. Probably best to do that before doing anything else.
Thank you for all the helpful info! Would appreciate your insight & help with my issues…
2024 was the first year I tried to do the Backdoor Roth for tax year 2023….
I put $7500 non-deductible & catch-up contribution into a traditional IRA before 4/15/2024 (Form 8606 filed for tax year 2023)
but I didn’t end up doing the backdoor conversion to Roth in 2024, because I could’t liquidate my large SEP in time to rollover to my Individual 401K & I want to avoid the pro-rata rule.
1. If I am able to rollover my SEP into my i401K by 12/31/2025, can I contribute $8000 (nondeductible & catchup) by 4/15/25 to my tIRA for 2024, then do the a Backdoor Roth conversion of $15500 ($7500 from 2023 & $8000 from $2024) in 2025 with no tax consequences? I am trying to figure out if I can still convert the $7500 from 2023 that I didn’t convert in 2024, without having to pay any tax….
2. Alternatively, can I also contribute the $8000 nondeductible & catchup into tIRA for 2025 (in 2025 instead of tax deadline in 2026, like I have been doing) and do the Backdoor Roth conversion in 2025 of $23500 ($7500 for 2023, $8000 for 2024 and $8000 for 2025) without having to pay taxes? What is the best way to do all 3 years at this point so the paperwork for 1099-R & Form 8606 is easiest and cleanest?
3. Can I have more than one individual 401K account? My current i401K is with Fidelity, but my SEP is with Vanguard. It would be easier to record keep if I can keep my SEP assets separate from my Fidelity i401K by opening a new i401K at Vanguard & rollover into it. If I can have more than one i401K, do I have to submit a Form 5500 for each then?
Thank you very much for your assistance & expertise!
1. Yes. And you can also do a 2025 contribution and then convert it all. Don’t JUST convert $15,500, but convert all the gains too and pay tax on them. The 2023 8606 will show a contribution. The 2024 8606 will show a contribution. The 2025 8606 will show a contribution and a big conversion.
2. Uh…I guess you could just do 2023 and 2025 if you wanted. Not sure why you’d want that though.
3. Yes, but you shouldn’t. It’s generally bad practice and poor form. I’m not sure why you think it would be easier to maintain records on two accounts than one. By the way, Vanguard no longer offers i401(k)s. Yes, a 5500EZ has to be submitted for every i401(k) over $250K.
Thank you very much for the helpful feedback!
1 followup question:
I want to avoid liquidating my large Vanguard SEP in order to rollover into my Fidelity i401K.
Do you know the best way to rollover in kind? I was told I can transfer my Vanguard SEP into a Fidelity traditional IRA in kind first, then I can rollover from that traditional IRA into my Fidelity i401K in kind…. Is that true? Will this incur any kind of tax consequences?
Thanks again!
Most retirement account rollovers are not in kind, but I have heard of it happening. If Fidelity told you that, then I’d take them up on the offer if liquidating really bothers you.
If I originally accidentally contributed to Roth on both year 1 ($A) and year 2($B):
After recharacterizing both contributions back to Traditional with ($AA = $A +- gains/losses) and ($BB = $B +- gains/losses), do I just do one conversion of ($AA+$BB) to Roth or 2 conversions for paper trail?
You win the award for the most confusing (or perhaps the most clear) way to ask a backdoor Roth question. I had bad flashbacks to high school algebra class.
The answer is one conversion.
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/ira-recharacterizations/
Make sure you meet the deadline (October 15th of the next year) for both recharacterizations.
Thank you for confirming 🙂 I’ve never gone through this case before so I’m still learning and backtracking slowly one step at a time to get backdoor Roth done right. I think it has a combo of multi-year recharacterizations and late conversion in same year (2025) that you mentioned. Back to algebra for filing based on tax year:
2024: Recharacterization(2024) on 8606 even though I recharacterized in 2025 since it’s still before October deadline for the 2024 tax year? 8606 should have empty 2nd page since no conversion except the first page is similar to typical traditional IRA contribution but with interest if earned and have to pay taxes if interest was earned from mistaken Roth contribution.
2025: Recharacterization(2025) and conversions (2024 and 2025) on 8606
Recharacterizations themselves aren’t really reported on 8606. They’re treated as though they were made to the recharacterized account originally. Non deductible ontributions are reported and conversions are reported.
You don’t pay taxes on interest or report it until that interest is converted.
Supposed Recharacterization of a Roth back to traditional IRA is with interest, $7000 original+ $1000 interest (year 2024). I convert this in year 2025. Should my 2024 8606 only show $7000 as if I contributed $7000 to traditional IRA originally? The $1000 will be mentioned when I do 8606 for year 2025 tax filing? If there was a loss, I should report the $7000 minus loss on 2024 8606 or still $7000 as if I originally contributed $7000 to traditional IRA? Sorry, maybe I should re read your section on Recharacterization and 8606 filing.
Yes
Yes, assuming you do a conversion in 2025.
No, just $7,000.
Yes, might be worth a reread.
I have a question. My old employer moved my $2,100 from my 401k to a traditional IRA. I want to convert the pre-tax $2,100 to my backdoor roth IRA in addition to the $7000 contribution for year of 2025. For 2025, Which form do I need to report the pretax $2,100 and how to properly report it once I convert it ? Not sure how I will report that pre-tax portion on the form 8606 or if I need to document that somewhere else. thanks !
Report the conversion on Form 8606 of the year in which you do the conversion. The 401(k) contribution was reported on your W-2 for the year it was made and has likely already been reported to the IRS. Obviously your basis on that $2,100 will be $0 so the entire conversion will be taxable.
I’m doing my first Roth Conversion and filling out my taxes on freetaxusa.com. I’ve followed the plan as you laid it out but am coming to difference in your advice and the advice from freetaxusa on the reporting steps. They have a guide here that seems to apply to my situation. https://community.freetaxusa.com/kb/articles/172-reporting-a-backdoor-roth-conversion-after-december-31st-2024-and-later
3/14/2025 – Opened a new IRA with Vanguard and deposited 7000
3/15/2025 – Converted it to a Roth IRA also at Vanguard (I technically haven’t done this yet, because I have to wait a week but it shows that both the contribution and the conversion were made in 2025 but before tax day.
You’re advice is to put both the deposit and the conversion on the 2024 Form 8606, which makes sense to me as they both occurred in that tax year. However the freetaxusa article suggests that I fill out the 2024 taxes with just the IRA contribution and then report the conversion on next years taxes through it’s system by putting in the 1099-R I receive from Vanguard and then moving over the basis from line 14.
My question is: How/when should I report the Conversion in the freetaxusa software?
That’s not my advice. If you do a conversion in 2025 it should be reported on the 2025 8606. If you do a contribution FOR 2024 IN 2025, it should be reported on the 2024 8606.
Not sure where you got the impression that I’m telling people something different but I’d like to fix it if you can point it out.
And I don’t know anything about freetaxusa as I’ve never used it. But in general, you report an IRA contribution and a Roth conversion separately no matter what software you’re using.
Hey, having read your comment I realized that I misunderstood your example under [How to Perform and Report on Paper the Backdoor Roth IRA Process ] and should have been reading [Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA] as that applies to my situation. My understanding was that on Jan 2 2023, you were contributing to an IRA for tax year 2022, then converting. But reading more, you are contributing to tax year 2023 and then doing the conversion in 2023 as well, which totally makes sense. I do think a lot of people doing this for the first time may also misunderstand that as most people will be finding this article around tax season on the first time they realize that their MAGI is too high for a normal Roth Contribution.
Thank you for your very quick response, and honestly, any response at all. This is a VERY well laid out guide and I do appreciate it greatly.
I keep trying to make this post clearer and clearer all the time but you’re right that lots of people still misunderstand the process and screw this up.