By Dr. James M. Dahle, WCI Founder
Setting up a Backdoor Roth can be confusing, so I thought I’d put together a tutorial on the Backdoor Roth IRA steps people can refer to when they go through this process. Let's get started.
Table of Contents
- What Is a Backdoor Roth IRA?
- Who Should Do a Backdoor Roth IRA?tra
- When to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA?
- Backdoor Roth IRA Pros and Cons
- Backdoor Roth IRA Tax Implications
- Backdoor Roth IRA Steps
- How to Fix and Prevent Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
- Backdoor Roth IRA FAQs
What Is a Backdoor Roth IRA?
Despite its name, a Backdoor Roth IRA is not an account, it is a process with two steps:
- Contribute to a Traditional IRA.
- Complete a Roth conversion.
If you understand the rules of both of these steps, putting them together is no problem.
Who Should Do a Backdoor Roth IRA
Remember that if you are a low earner you can just contribute DIRECTLY to a Roth IRA and skip this Backdoor Roth IRA process.
Roth IRA Limits and Conversion Rules
Low earner is defined as a Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) under a phaseout range in 2022 of $129,000-$144,000 ($204,000-$214,000 Married Filing Jointly). Some docs like residents, employee dentists, part-timers, and even some medical attendings in the lower-paying specialties who are married to a non-earner can just contribute to a Roth IRA directly.
Anyone who earns at least $6,000 ($7,000 if 50+) can contribute $6,000 ($7,000 if 50+) to an IRA [2022]. If your income is below a MAGI of $129,000-$144,000 ($204,000-$214,000 Married Filing Jointly), you can contribute directly to a Roth IRA. If you have a retirement plan offered to you at work and your MAGI is below $68,000-$78,000 ($109,000-$129,000 Married Filing Jointly) you can deduct your traditional IRA contributions. Since most readers of this blog have a retirement plan through their job and have (or soon will have) a MAGI over $214,000, they will find that they can neither make direct Roth IRA contributions NOR deduct their traditional IRA contributions. Thus, their best IRA option is the Backdoor Roth IRA process, i.e., an indirect Roth IRA contribution.
Spousal IRAs
Married physicians should be using a personal and spousal Roth IRA, and will usually need to fund both indirectly (i.e., through the back door). Not only does this provide an additional $6,000 each ($7,000 for each spouse that is 50+) of tax-protected and (in most states) asset-protected space per tax year, but it allows for more tax diversification in retirement. Tax diversification allows you to determine your own tax rate as a retiree by deciding how much to take from tax-deferred (traditional) accounts and how much from tax-free (Roth) accounts. Remember that IRA stands for INDIVIDUAL Retirement Arrangement. So even if the pro-rata rule (discussed below) keeps you from doing the Backdoor Roth IRA, it doesn't necessarily keep your spouse from doing so. Each spouse reports their Backdoor Roth IRA on their own separate 8606, so the tax return for a married couple doing Backdoor Roth IRAs should always include two form 8606s.
Married Filing Separately
The contribution and deduction income limits are particularly low if you are filing your taxes Married Filing Separately (MFS). Both the ability to contribute directly to a Roth IRA and the ability to deduct a traditional IRA contribution if you (or your spouse) are eligible for a retirement plan at work phase out between $0 and $10,000. Basically, the best option for anyone filing their taxes MFS is the Backdoor Roth IRA process, i.e., an indirect Roth IRA contribution.
There is an exception to these rules if you do not actually live with your spouse. In that case, your ability to contribute directly to a Roth IRA phases out between a MAGI of $125,000-$140,000 in 2021. If you live separately and are not covered by a retirement plan at work, you can deduct a traditional IRA contribution no matter your income. You can still do a Backdoor Roth IRA process in these situations where your IRA contribution is either partially or completely deductible. The tax bill will be precisely the same, $0 when done properly. However, instead of having no tax cost for either the contribution or the conversion, your deduction on the contribution will precisely equal the tax cost on the conversion, resulting in that same $0 tax bill for the entire process.
Mega Backdoor Roth IRA
A Mega Backdoor Roth IRA is completely different from a regular Backdoor Roth IRA. Despite its name, you actually do a Mega Backdoor Roth IRA with a 401(k), not an IRA. It requires a 401(k) that both accepts after-tax (not Roth) employee contributions and allows for either in-service withdrawals (and thus conversions to a Roth IRA) or, more commonly, in-plan conversions. Using the Mega Backdoor Roth IRA process, one might be able to put as much as $58,000 ($64,500 if 50+) [2021] per year into a Roth 401(k) (or possibly a Roth IRA in addition to your usual $6,000-$7,000 contribution). However, this process has nothing to do with the Backdoor Roth IRA process we are discussing in this post.
When to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA?
Lots of people wonder about the timing of a Backdoor Roth IRA.
IRA Contribution Deadline
There is really only one deadline to meet with the Backdoor Roth IRA process. IRA contributions for a given tax year must take place between January 1st of the tax year and April 15th (even if you file an extension) of the following year.
Backdoor Roth IRA Conversion Deadline
The conversion step may take place at any time. It can take place the next day or even the same day as the contribution. I don't recommend it, but you can wait months, years, or even decades between the contribution and the conversion step. There is no deadline on Roth conversions. If you need to perform a rollover or conversion of a traditional, rollover, SEP, or SIMPLE IRA in order to avoid the pro-rata rule, you have until December 31st of the year you do the conversion step.
When Should You Contribute and Convert?
You should do both steps as soon as possible. Many white coat investors do the IRA contribution step and the Roth conversion step the first week of January each year. This maximizes the amount of tax-free compounding that can occur on those dollars. Minimizing the time between contribution and conversion and doing both steps within the calendar year is not required, but certainly simplifies the paperwork.
Want to really make your paperwork complicated? Contribute to your IRA each month and convert it each month. Then you have 12 contributions and 12 conversions to keep track of each year. Seriously though, if you make enough money that you have to contribute to your Roth IRA(s) through the Backdoor Roth IRA process, you make enough to do it in one fell swoop each year.
Can I Do a Backdoor Roth IRA Every Year?
Yes. My wife and I have done one every year since 2010 and do not plan to stop until we no longer have any earned income. It is just one of the investment chores we perform once a year.
5-Year Rule
One factor that may push you to do a Backdoor Roth IRA earlier is the 5-year rule. Now there are at least three 5-year rules related to IRAs, but the main one to pay attention to here is the 5-year rule after a Roth conversion. This rule determines whether the withdrawal of principal from the account prior to age 59 1/2 will be penalty-free. The 5-year period starts on January 1st of the year you do the conversion, so it could be a little less than 5 years. Roth IRA principal generally comes out tax and penalty-free (it is only the earnings that may be subject to penalties), but that is only the case after the 5-year rule has been fulfilled.
In essence, if you do a conversion of a Roth IRA at age 51, you can then withdraw the principal tax and penalty-free starting at age 56 rather than age 59 1/2. This can provide funding for living expenses to early retirees. If you do a Roth conversion at age 57, you still get access to that principal (and earnings) tax and penalty-free at age 59 1/2. So it's 5 years or age 59 1/2, whichever comes first.
There is also a completely separate 5-year rule on IRA contributions, but this starts from the time you make your very first IRA contribution, not every contribution, so it should not apply to most early retirees.
Backdoor Roth IRA Pros and Cons
There are a lot of great things about the Backdoor Roth IRA, but it isn't all peaches and cream.
Pros of Backdoor Roth IRA
The main benefit of a Backdoor Roth IRA is that it provides you another retirement account. Via the Backdoor Roth IRA process, you can continue to contribute to a Roth IRA even after your earnings rise above the income limit for direct Roth IRA contributions. Retirement accounts eliminate the tax drag that applies in a taxable, or non-qualified account, reducing your taxes and allowing your investment to grow at a higher rate so you can reach your goals sooner.
How much can that tax protection be worth compared to a taxable account? It depends on the return of the underlying investment, its tax efficiency, and the amount of time the money is left in the account. At my marginal tax rate, $10,000 earning 8% in a tax-inefficient investment over 50 years would grow to $469,000 in a Roth IRA but only $88,000 in a taxable account. More realistically, over 30 years the use of a Roth IRA versus a taxable account for a tax-efficient investment would still result in 29% more money.
Retirement accounts ensure simple estate planning. By using beneficiaries, that money does not go through the probate process, so your heirs get it sooner with less hassle, more privacy, and no cost. They can even stretch the tax-protected growth benefit for another decade after they inherit the account. Retirement accounts like a Roth IRA also provide substantial asset protection in most states, meaning that in the admittedly very rare event of a dramatically above policy limits judgment that isn't reduced on appeal, you can declare bankruptcy and still keep what is in your retirement accounts. Roth money is tax-free forever, so by continuing to contribute each year you can increase tax diversification in retirement.
Cons of Backdoor Roth IRA
Roth IRAs, even when you contribute via the Backdoor Roth IRA process, are still retirement accounts with all of their downsides. Retirement accounts limit the investments you can put in them and prohibit the use of margin investing. If you withdraw Roth IRA earnings prior to age 59 1/2 without an approved exception, you will owe a 10% penalty.
Due to the pro-rata rule (see below), the Backdoor Roth IRA process requires you to either convert or rollover into a 401(k) any traditional IRAs, SEP-IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs you may have. If you have self-employment income, you will need to use an individual (solo) 401(k) instead of a SEP-IRA to shelter that income from taxes. Doing Backdoor Roth IRAs each year also adds one form (IRS Form 8606) per spouse to your tax return. If preparing your own taxes using tax software, it can be tricky to ensure the software reports the process correctly. If you do a Backdoor Roth IRA instead of (rather than in addition to) maxing out your tax-deferred accounts during your peak earnings years, that can also be a mistake that results in the accumulation of less money.
Perhaps most significantly, there are now two steps to getting money into your Roth IRA each year instead of just one. While I think the process is pretty darn simple, I am continually amazed at all of the unique ways that doctors manage to screw it up. Later in the article, I'll show you how to fix all of those screw-ups.
Is a Backdoor Roth IRA Worth It?
Yes! Most of the time. It really is just a little bit of hassle to do each year, although there may be some additional hassle the first year if you need to take care of another IRA first to avoid the pro-rata rule. There may be times when someone has a large traditional IRA they cannot afford to convert to a Roth IRA and cannot roll over into a 401(k) because they don't have a 401(k) at all, their 401(k) charges high fees, or because the IRA assets are invested in something they cannot invest in within a 401(k). If your employer-provided retirement account is a SIMPLE IRA or a SEP-IRA, the Backdoor Roth IRA process is also probably not worth it. Finally, some multi-millionaires don't want to bother with even the minor hassle of the Backdoor Roth IRA process because getting an extra $6K-$14K a year into Roth accounts just isn't going to move the needle for them.
Backdoor Roth IRA Tax Implications
Roth IRAs are all about avoiding taxation on earnings, so naturally, there are lots of tax implications of this process.
Pro-Rata Rule
The most important tax implication to be aware of is the pro-rata rule. I would estimate that 90%+ of Backdoor Roth IRA screw-ups involve the investor having his or her conversion pro-rated. When you report a Roth IRA conversion on IRS Form 8606 (see below) there is a pro-rata calculation made. The numerator is the amount converted. The denominator is the total of ALL traditional, rollover, SEP, and SIMPLE IRAs, but not 401(k)s, 403(b)s, 457(b)s, Roth IRAs, or inherited IRAs. Therefore it is critical that you DO SOMETHING with any IRA balance you have PRIOR to December 31st of the year in which you do a Roth conversion of after-tax money. Later in this article, I'll describe the exact options you have of what to do with this money.
Tax on Backdoor Roth IRA Conversion
Done properly, there is NO tax on a Backdoor Roth IRA conversion. Zero. Nada. Zilch. While the money you put into a Roth IRA (indirectly via the Backdoor in this case) was taxed when you earned it, it is NOT taxed when you contribute it directly to a Roth IRA or when you contribute it as a non-deductible IRA conversion nor when you subsequently convert that money to a Roth IRA. In fact, it is never taxed again.
Do I Need to Worry About the Step Transaction Doctrine?
There used to be a concern that the IRS would have a problem with the backdoor Roth due to an IRS rule called The Step Transaction Doctrine. This rule basically says that if the sum of a bunch of legal steps is illegal, then you can’t do it. Some wondered if this backdoor conversion from traditional IRA to Roth was a legal transaction considering this doctrine. Those concerns, valid or not, are no longer an issue. The IRS clarified in early 2018 that no waiting period is required between the contribution and conversion steps of the Backdoor Roth IRA and essentially has given its blessing on the whole process. Waiting just makes things more complicated on the 8606, as discussed in Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA.
How to Report a Backdoor Roth IRA on Turbotax
Reporting the Backdoor Roth IRA properly on Turbotax is unfortunately even more complicated than filling out Form 8606 by hand. The key to doing it right is to recognize that you report the conversion step in the Income section but you report the contribution step in the Deductions and Credits section. Since you generally do the income section first, you report the conversion before you report the contribution, even though you actually did the contribution before the conversion. At the end, you want to look at the Form(s) 8606 that Turbotax generates, just like you would check up on one filled out by an accountant.
More information here:
How to Report a Backdoor Roth IRA on TurboTax
Backdoor Roth IRA Steps, Tutorials, and Walkthroughs
In this section, we'll explain exactly how to do the Backdoor Roth IRA process and how to report it on your tax return, whether you file on paper or using tax software. You can easily walk through these Backdoor Roth IRA steps at Vanguard, complete a Backdoor Roth at Fidelity, or knock out a Backdoor Roth IRA at Schwab, three of the most popular brokerage/mutual fund companies.
How to Perform and Report on Paper the Backdoor Roth IRA Process
While it is really just a two-step process, it is best to think of it as a five-step process. These steps don't all have to be done in order (it might be easier to do Step 3 before Step 1), but they will all need to be done.
Step 1 – Contribute to a Traditional IRA
Make a $6,000 ($7,000 if 50+) non-deductible traditional IRA contribution for yourself, and one for your spouse. You can use the same traditional IRA accounts every year—they just spend most of the time with $0 in it. Most fund companies, including Vanguard, don’t close the account just because there is nothing in it. I do this every January 2nd.
Step 2 – Leave the Money in Cash
An account like a traditional IRA is not an investment, of course, just like a suitcase isn't clothing. When putting money in a traditional IRA, you also have to tell the IRA provider what you would like to invest in. In this case, just leave the money in cash, whether a money market fund or a settlement fund. At Vanguard, the settlement fund is the Federal Money Market Fund. You really don't want to have any gains (or especially any losses) between the contribution and conversion step because it makes the paperwork more complicated. The best way to minimize the gains is to leave it in cash (and then of course to do the conversion as soon after contribution as possible to minimize the “pennies” issue).
Step 3 – Convert the Traditional IRA to a Roth IRA
Next, convert the non-deductible traditional IRA to a Roth IRA by transferring the money from your traditional IRA into your Roth IRA at the same fund company. If you don’t already have a Roth IRA there, you’ll need to open one. This can be done in a minute or two online at Vanguard and is essentially the same process as opening the traditional IRA. I do this the very next day after I make the contribution. It is very straightforward. When you transfer the money, the website will throw up a scary banner saying something like “THIS IS A TAXABLE EVENT.” That’s true. It is taxable. It is just that the tax bill is zero for it since you’ve already paid taxes on the $6,000 and couldn’t claim your contribution as a deduction because you make too much money. You can do Step 3 basically immediately after Step 1. Some companies will let you do it the same day. Other companies will make you wait until the next day or even a week or so. But there is no reason to wait months to do it.
Step 4 – Invest the Money
Now you will need to select an investment for the money in your Roth IRA. If you already have an investment in there, you can simply add $6,000 to it. Otherwise, you will need to select an investment in accordance with your written investing plan. If you do not have a written investing plan yet, you can leave the money in cash or put it into a Target Retirement 2050 or other lifecycle fund until you get that part of your financial plan worked out.
Step 5 – Beware of the Pro-Rata Rule
Get rid of any SEP-IRA, SIMPLE IRA, traditional IRA, or rollover IRA money. The total sum of these accounts on December 31st of the year in which you do the conversion step (Step 2) must be zero to avoid a “pro-rata” calculation (see line 6 on Form 8606) that can eliminate most of the benefit of a Backdoor Roth IRA.
You Can Get Rid of These IRA Accounts in Three Ways:
- Withdraw the money (not recommended, as the money would be subject to tax and/or penalties, not to mention DECREASING your tax-advantaged/asset-protected investment space).
- Convert the entire sum to a Roth IRA. Only recommended if it is a relatively small amount and you can afford to pay the taxes out of current earnings or taxable investments with relatively high basis.
- Roll the money over into a 401(k), 403(b), or Individual 401(k). 401(k)s don’t count in the aforementioned pro-rata calculation. Some physicians even open an Individual 401(k) at Fidelity, eTrade, or Vanguard (rollovers from traditional IRAs to solo 401(k)s is a recent addition to Vanguard) in order to facilitate a Backdoor Roth IRA.
Step 6 – Fill Out IRS Form 8606 Correctly
The next part of the Backdoor Roth IRA is done months later when you (or your accountant) fill out your IRS Form 8606 on your taxes. Don't forget to do it or there is a $50 penalty. Remember that you need one form for each spouse. INDIVIDUAL Retirement Arrangements. You need to double-check this to make sure it is done right, even if you hire a pro to avoid screwing this part up. Advisors have told me that they have had to help clients fix dozens of these that tax preparers have done improperly. If you don't do it right, you'll pay taxes twice on your Backdoor Roth IRA contribution.
Page 1 (below) shows a “distribution” from your non-deductible IRA. Since the money was already taxed, the taxable amount on your distribution is zero. Line 1 is your non-deductible contribution. On Line 2, your basis is zero because you had no money in a traditional IRA on December 31 of last year (if you've been carrying a non-deductible IRA for years this may not be zero). Line 6 is zero in a typical year. Note that Turbotax may fill this out a little differently (may leave lines 6-12 blank) but you end up with the same thing. Line 13 is the same as line 3, so tax due is zero.
On page 2 (below), you are showing the Roth conversion. I'm not really sure why you have to do this twice (since you're just transferring the amounts from lines 8 and 11 and then subtracting them), but that's what the form calls for. As you can see, a Roth conversion of a non-deductible traditional IRA contribution without any gains is a taxable event, it's just that the tax bill is zero for it.
When double-checking your tax preparer's work, you want to concentrate on lines 2, 14, 15c, and 18, and make sure they're a very small amount, like zero, and not a very large amount, like $6,000. The form can get more complicated if you are doing other Roth conversions at the same time or if you made a contribution for the previous year (i.e., made your 2020 contribution in 2021). See below for more details.
Notice how there is no place on the form to put the date when you made the contribution or the date when you made the conversion. It isn't on the form your IRA custodian sends to the IRS (1099-R) either.
Do It All Again Next Year
You do not have to wait any period of time between the contribution and conversion. Each year, I make my Traditional IRA contribution on January 2, then convert to a Roth IRA the next day or within a few days. That gets my investment money working as soon as possible and simplifies the record keeping. Vanguard won’t let you do it the same day (sometimes other providers will), so I have to wait one day anyway. Occasionally they'll make you wait up to a week. If you find you have a few pennies left in the account and are worried you'll get pro-rated, take a look at this post: Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA.
More information here:
How to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA with Vanguard
How to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA at Fidelity
How to Fix and Prevent Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
In this section, we're going to talk about how to fix and prevent common mistakes in the Backdoor Roth IRA process. In order to better organize these mistakes, we will break down the process into the six very clear steps used above and then will explain possible errors with each step and what to do about them.
6 Steps to Successfully Contribute to a Backdoor Roth IRA
- Step 1 – Contribute to traditional IRA ($6K, $7K if 50+ for 2021).
- Step 2 – Invest the money in a money market fund.
- Step 3 – Move money from traditional IRA to Roth IRA (i.e., a Roth conversion).
- Step 4 – Invest in your preferred investment (typically a stock, bond, or balanced index mutual fund).
- Step 5 – Ensure you have no money in a traditional IRA, SEP-IRA, or SIMPLE IRA on December 31st of the year you do the CONVERSION step.
- Step 6 – Report the transactions correctly on your taxes by filling out Form 8606.
Seriously. That's it. If you can do a cholecystectomy, you can do this. If you can work up a pulmonary embolus appropriately, you can do this. If you can manage hypertension well, you can do this. If you can fill a cavity, you can do this. Super easy.
However, people still manage to screw up on EACH of those six steps. Let's go through the mistakes people make, step by step.
How to FIX Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
Step 1 Error – Contributing Directly to a Roth IRA
An error that commonly occurs with a first Backdoor Roth IRA is that people simply don't realize that their income is too high to do a direct Roth IRA contribution. So instead of doing it indirectly (i.e., going through the Backdoor), which is no big deal even if you're under the limit, they contribute directly to a Roth IRA. Then they realize their Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) is over $$125,000-$140,000 ($198,000-$208,000 Married Filing Jointly) for 2021. Now what?
Enter the Recharacterization
If you have made this error, now you have to recharacterize the Roth IRA contribution to a traditional IRA contribution. This basically makes it as though you never contributed to a Roth IRA but contributed to a traditional IRA instead. You usually have to call your IRA provider to get this done, but it's no big deal. In this section, I'll walk you through the details of how to do it.
You have until the due date of your tax return to do this (including extensions). So if you did an IRA contribution in January of 2021 for the 2021 tax year, you have until October 15, 2022 to do a recharacterization. There's no penalty or anything to do it. You can do the opposite as well if you contributed to a traditional IRA but meant to contribute directly to a Roth IRA.
Bear in mind that starting in 2018, you can no longer do recharacterizations of Roth CONVERSIONS (not contributions). This eliminated the “Roth IRA Conversion Horserace” technique for tax reduction.
Until recently, I had thought there was a waiting period after a recharacterization to then reconvert the money to a Roth IRA. However, that rule was only for recharacterizations of conversions, not contributions. There has never been a waiting period for a recharacterization.
Any gains that occur before the final conversion are, of course, fully taxable at your ordinary income tax rate in the year of the final conversion.
The Income Limit
The first thing to determine is whether this post even applies to you. If your income is below a certain amount, you can just contribute directly to a Roth IRA. That amount depends on several things. First, it is a MODIFIED Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI). That number is very similar to your Adjusted Gross Income (AGI). Remember how tax form 1040 works.
The first income line you come to is line 7b, your “Total Income.” When people think about income, this is generally what they think of. The third income line on the form is line 11b. This is your “Taxable Income.” This is what your tax bill is actually calculated from. It is basically your total income minus all of your deductions. In between those two, on line 8b, is another income, your “Adjusted Gross Income.” This is “the line” that people are talking about when they use the phrases “above-the-line deduction” and “below-the-line deduction.” If it comes out before your AGI is calculated, it is an above-the-line deduction. These are deductions such as self-employment tax, self-employed retirement plans, self-employed health insurance premiums, HSA contributions, student loan interest, alimony, tuition, and any IRA deductions. If it comes out after your AGI is calculated, it is a below-the-line deduction. These are EITHER your standard deduction OR your itemized deductions, like mortgage interest, state/local/property taxes, and charitable contributions. A MAGI is just a slight tweak to your AGI.
Below are the MAGI limits for direct Roth IRA contributions [2021]. If your MAGI is below the first number, you can just contribute to a Roth IRA directly. If your MAGI is over the second number, you cannot contribute at all. If your MAGI is between the two numbers, you can make a partial direct contribution (most shouldn't bother with this, just do it all through the Back Door).
- Married Filing Separately (and lived with spouse for at least part of year): $0-$10,000
- Married Filing Jointly: $198,000-$208,000
- Single or Head of Household: $125,000-$140,000
If you think you'll be anywhere close to that first number, do yourself a favor and just do your Roth IRA contribution indirectly, i.e., through the Back Door (contribute to a traditional IRA and then convert that contribution to a Roth IRA). Since 2010, there has been no income limit on Roth conversions and there has never been an income limit on traditional IRA contributions, just your ability to deduct them.
So how does a MAGI differ from an AGI? It's a very slight difference. Bear in mind that there are other MAGIs out there. We're only talking about the one that affects Roth IRA contributions here. But to get your MAGI, you simply take your AGI, you subtract some income from it and you add back in some other income to it. The worksheet showing you how to do this is Worksheet 2-1 in Publication 590.
Basically, you subtract income from a Roth conversion and you add income from IRA deductions (not sure why you'd have this), student loan interest (if you are using this worksheet, you probably don't have this), tuition deduction (you probably don't have this), a couple of rare deductions for foreign income/deductions (you probably don't have these), some savings bond interest you probably don't have much of, and some employer-provided adoption benefits. As you can see, for most people your MAGI = your AGI since all of these deductions are pretty rare for the folks worried about this limit for direct Roth IRA contributions. So focus on your AGI. That means if you contributed directly to a Roth IRA but late in the year realized you probably should not have, one easy fix is to get your AGI below that limit by contributing to an HSA or a self-employed retirement plan like an individual 401(k) or SEP-IRA. Note that giving a bunch of money to charity is NOT a solution to this problem because that is a below-the-line deduction.
How to Do an IRA Recharacterization
If you can't get your MAGI low enough, you will have to do an IRA Recharacterization. With a recharacterization, as far as the IRS is concerned it is as though you never made the Roth IRA contribution at all, but made a traditional IRA contribution instead. You don't report a recharacterization separately, you just report a traditional IRA contribution. Keep in mind as you read on the internet about recharacterizations that there used to be two types of them—a recharacterization of a Roth IRA CONTRIBUTION and a recharacterization of a Roth IRA CONVERSION. The second type was outlawed in 2018, but the first one, the one we're talking about today, is still perfectly legal. If you decide you want to undo a Roth conversion these days, you're simply out of luck. Here is how you do a recharacterization of a Roth IRA contribution:
- You tell Vanguard (or wherever your IRAs are) to recharacterize the Roth IRA contribution to a Traditional IRA contribution.
Yup. That's it. They take care of the rest. I mean, you can read all about all of the rules in Publication 590 Chapter 1 if you want, but that's basically what they say. Don't believe me? Fine. Here are the IRS instructions:
How Do You Recharacterize a Contribution?
To recharacterize a contribution, you must notify both the trustee of the first IRA (the one to which the contribution was actually made) and the trustee of the second IRA (the one to which the contribution is being moved) that you have elected to treat the contribution as having been made to the second IRA rather than the first. You must make the notifications by the date of the transfer. Only one notification is required if both IRAs are maintained by the same trustee. The notification(s) must include all of the following information:
- The type and amount of the contribution to the first IRA that is to be recharacterized.
- The date on which the contribution was made to the first IRA and the year for which it was made.
- A direction to the trustee of the first IRA to transfer in a trustee-to-trustee transfer the amount of the contribution and any net income (or loss) allocable to the contribution to the trustee of the second IRA.
- The name of the trustee of the first IRA and the name of the trustee of the second IRA.
- Any additional information needed to make the transfer.
In most cases, the net income you must transfer is determined by your IRA trustee or custodian.
See what I mean? It's just a phone call. Any earnings that the account had in between the contribution and the recharacterization just go over with the contribution. No big deal.
You have until your tax filing date to do this. Most of the time, that's April 15th of the next year. However, the IRS is even more lenient than that. You actually can do this for an extra six months after your tax filing date, but you will have to refile your return.
Where Do You Report a Recharacterization?
If you hire somebody else to prepare your taxes, you can skip this section. If you do it yourself, you'll need to make sure you report this correctly. According to Pub 590, you report it on our old friend Form 8606.
Pub 590 says this:
Actually, that's really misleading. If you read Form 8606, you will see that the only time it ever mentions a recharacterization is to tell you NOT to put it on the form.
So what is Pub 590 talking about? They're talking about this section in the 8606 instructions:
Reporting recharacterizations.
Treat any recharacterized IRA contribution as though the amount of the contribution was originally contributed to the second IRA, not the first IRA. For the recharacterization, you must transfer the amount of the original contribution plus any related earnings or less any related loss. In most cases, your IRA trustee or custodian figures the amount of the related earnings you must transfer. If you need to figure the related earnings, see How Do You Recharacterize a Contribution? in chapter 1 of Pub. 590-A. Treat any earnings or loss that occurred in the first IRA as having occurred in the second IRA. You can’t deduct any loss that occurred while the funds were in the first IRA. . .Report the nondeductible traditional IRA portion of the recharacterized contribution, if any, on Form 8606, Part I. Don’t report the Roth IRA contribution (whether or not you recharacterized all or part of it) on Form 8606. Attach a statement to your return explaining the recharacterization. If the recharacterization occurred in 2019, include the amount transferred from the Roth IRA on Form 1040 or 1040-SR, line 4a; or Form 1040-NR, line 16a. If the recharacterization occurred in 2020, report the amount transferred only in the attached statement, and not on your 2019 or 2020 tax return.
The bottom line is that you just report this recharacterized contribution on Form 8606 as if it were the regular old non-deductible traditional IRA contribution that you should have made in the first place. You also need to include a statement. What should your statement look like? I would write something like this:
To whom it may concern:
I made a 2021 Roth IRA contribution of $6,000 on March 13th, 2021, because I didn't know about the whole MAGI limit thing when I made the contribution. After becoming smarter, I recharacterized $6,137.14 (original contribution plus earnings) to a traditional IRA on November 4th, 2021, Thank you for helping our country fund its government. You're the best.
Hugs and kisses from your favorite taxpayer,
James Dahle
Seriously. It doesn't say what has to be on the statement, just that there is one “explaining the recharacterization.” You don't even have to tell them why you did the recharacterization. If you had a loss in the account between contribution and recharacterization, no big deal. It's still as though you made a $6,000 contribution to a traditional IRA and THEN it lost money. If you were able to deduct the contribution (you probably can't) you would get a $6,000 deduction. The IRA provider may also send you a Form 5498 (which has the recharacterized amount on line 4), but you don't actually do anything with it when you file your taxes. It's just an informational return.
Reconverting the IRA
Now here is where it gets interesting. You've now fixed your mistake in the eyes of the IRS, going from an illegal Roth IRA contribution to a legal traditional IRA contribution (that is probably not deductible for you). But you really aren't done with what you meant to do, which is put money into a Roth IRA. You now need to do a Roth conversion. You do it just like you normally would as if you had contributed originally to the traditional IRA. You can do it the very next day if you like. You can probably even do it the same day, just make sure there is a paper trail showing the money was actually in the traditional IRA at some point. There used to be a waiting period after a recharacterization before you could do a Roth conversion on that money, but that waiting period only ever applied to the recharacterization of a Roth CONVERSION (which is no longer allowed starting in 2018) NOT the recharacterization of a Roth CONTRIBUTION. So there is no waiting period. Just reconvert convert it and go on your merry way.
I hope this information helps you fix your mistake. Just do your Roth IRA contributions through the Back Door going forward and you won't have this problem again.
Step 2 Error – Not Investing in a Money Market Fund in the Traditional IRA
What happens if you LOSE money in between the contribution and conversion step? This problem is easily avoided by using an investment like a money market fund that does not go down in value for that time period, but some people fail to do so and end up losing money. When they work their way through their IRS Form 8606, they discover they have basis left over that they can then carry forward indefinitely for years! No big deal, it just makes your paperwork more complicated. Perhaps at some point in the future you'll do a Roth conversion of tax-deferred money and this carry forward basis will reduce the tax on that event.
What if you MADE money in the account between contribution and conversion? This actually happens most of the time, so I wrote an entire post on it called Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA. Technically, any money earned between the contribution and conversion step is fully taxable at ordinary income tax rates in the year of the conversion. If it is less than 50 cents, you just ignore it. More, you report it on your 8606 and pay taxes on it.
If it is still in the traditional IRA, either do another tiny Roth conversion or leave it there until you do next year's Backdoor Roth IRA process, either is fine. If you were smart and just used a money market fund and did the conversion as soon as your IRA provider allowed it (usually less than a week and sometimes as early as the next day), this won't be much money and there won't be much tax due.
Step 3 Error – Forgetting to Do the Conversion
If you forgot to do the conversion step for eight months afterward, it could be a huge gain you're paying taxes unnecessarily on. No way to fix this one, just pay your stupid tax and move on.
Step 4 Error – Forgetting to Invest the Roth IRA Money
Even worse than paying taxes on a huge gain, is not getting the gain in the first place because you left the money sitting in cash for months. No way to fix this one either. Your “stupid tax” this time comes in the form of opportunity cost. Just get the money invested ASAP to stop the cash drag. Maybe you even got lucky and the market went down in between contribution and investment so now you get to buy low.
Step 5 Error – The Pro-Rata Rule
Some of the most common questions I get are from people who make a late contribution to a Backdoor Roth IRA. What do I mean by late? Well, you are allowed to make an IRA contribution AFTER the calendar year ends. In fact, you have until tax day, usually April 15th unless you get an extension of up to six months. While it is to your advantage to contribute to retirement accounts as quickly as possible so that money can start compounding in a tax-protected way, I understand that we all have lots of good things to do with our money and sometimes this gets pushed back into the next calendar year. All it really does is complicate your paperwork a bit.
For example, if you made your 2020 IRA contribution in April 2021, instead of reporting both the contribution and the conversion on your 2020 taxes, you would report only the contribution there. The conversion would be reported on the taxes for the year you did the conversion, i.e., your 2021 tax return due in April 2022. Your 2020 IRS Form 8606 becomes a little simpler and your 2021 IRS Form 8606 becomes a little more complicated. Not a big deal if you can follow the simple instructions.
What confuses people, however, is the pro-rata rule. This is the rule that says you need to empty out your traditional IRA by December 31st of the year you do the conversion. Since these folks have never filled out a Form 8606 (or apparently read the instructions) they assume that for a 2020 contribution they need to have a balance of $0 at the end of 2020, even if they didn't do the conversion step until 2021. That's simply not the case. The pro-rata rule isn't applied until the year of the conversion, i.e., December 31st, 2021.
Emptying the IRAs
So how do you empty out those IRAs? You usually have two choices.
- Do a Roth conversion of the whole thing. This is what I generally recommend for small IRAs where the tax bill on the conversion would not be too onerous. It is quick, easy, and increases the amount of tax-free assets you have.
- Roll the money into a 401(k) or 403(b), either that of your current employer, that of a past employer, or to your own individual 401(k) if you are self-employed. This is usually a better option if you have a large IRA where you would rather deal with the hassle than pay the tax bill during your peak earnings years.
So how large is large and how small is small? Well, it's going to vary by the person and how much disposable cash they have. Most would consider an IRA under $10K to be small and an IRA over $100K to be large. In between, it's a personal decision as to which would be better for you.
What If You Didn't Empty the IRA?
So what if you screwed this one up? Well, your Backdoor Roth IRA conversion step just got pro-rata'd. There is a tax bill associated with that because most of your conversion was of tax-deferred money rather than post-tax money like it was supposed to be.
The fix for this is going to vary by the individual, but the easiest fix is to simply convert the entire IRA to a Roth IRA now, so you end up getting all your post-tax money into that Roth IRA. Another possible fix is to figure out a way to separate your basis in that IRA, roll the tax-deferred money into a 401(k), and then convert the basis left behind in the IRA.
Do yourself a favor and just empty the darn IRA by December 31st. Keep in mind that this is usually not an instantaneous process, so don't put it off until you're on holiday break at the end of the year.
Step 6 Error – Screwing Up the Tax Forms
Both individual taxpayers and professional tax preparers screw up IRS Form 8606 all the time. In fact, some of them haven't even heard of a Backdoor Roth IRA. (Incidentally, this is one of the best questions to ask while interviewing a potential tax professional—”How many backdoor Roth IRAs did you help last year?”)
The usual fix to this error is to file a 1040X (Amended Tax Return) and a new Form 8606. You can do this for the last three years if necessary. If you didn't file Form 8606 at all, you'll definitely want to do this. The key is to check lines 15c and 18 on Form 8606. They should both be a number very close to zero if the form is being completed correctly.
The tax preparer should NOT be filing Form 5439. If you did Steps 1-5 right, this form probably doesn't belong in your tax return.
A lot of people wonder about the 1099-R sent to them by their IRA provider and worry that it was done wrong and that it will cause them to pay tax they shouldn't have to pay. Sometimes the form was filled out wrong, but mostly this is just a lot of anxiety. What gets people anxious is finding something on Line 2a “Taxable amount.” As long as the box on Line 2b is also checked “Taxable amount not determined,” you're golden. Don't worry about it. If it is not, have the IRA provider send you a new, correct form, either with $0 in 2a or the box in 2b checked (usually the latter). Here's what mine looks like every year from Vanguard:
Note that Box 2b is checked, even though they are reporting a taxable amount of $5,500.07 to the IRS [$6,000.07 in 2021].
Again, if you're not sure how to enter this into Turbotax, check out my Turbotax tutorial.
Still Confused About the Backdoor Roth?
Need more help with a Backdoor Roth IRA? I wish Congress would just lift the rule against direct Roth IRA contributions for high earners and save us all this hassle, but who knows if that will ever happen.
- If you did your contribution after the end of the year, check out Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA.
- Here's a step-by-step tutorial for doing a Backdoor Roth IRA at Vanguard.
- Here's a step-by-step tutorial for doing a Backdoor Roth IRA at Fidelity.
- Here is a step-by-step tutorial reporting the Backdoor Roth IRA in Turbotax.
- Here is my prior post on 17 Ways to Screw Up Your Backdoor Roth IRA.
- You can hire a professional to help you, either a good financial advisor or a good tax strategist can assist.
- You can also ask your peers for help on the WCI Forum, the Private WCI Facebook Group, and the WCI Subreddit.
Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA
While it is “cleaner” to make your contribution and your conversion all in the same calendar tax year, you can make your contribution up until your tax filing date of the next year. Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA has more details about doing this but hasn't been updated in a while, so let's do it now. The key to filling out the 8606 correctly when you make a contribution after the calendar year is to recognize that the contribution step is reported for the tax year and the conversion step is reported for the calendar year. So imagine you did the following during the calendar year 2021:
- Made a 2020 IRA contribution (reported on 2020 8606)
- Did a Roth conversion of that contribution (reported on 2021 8606)
- Made a 2021 IRA contribution (reported on 2021 8606)
- Did a Roth conversion of that contribution (reported on 2021 8606)
Your forms would look like this:
2020 Form 8606 (Only Have to Fill Out Part I)
Note that all this serves to do is report basis for the next year. No tax is due. Since no conversion step was done during the calendar year 2020, you only have to fill out lines 1-3 and 14.
2021 Form 8606 (Must Fill Out Parts I and II)
Notice a couple of things here. First, you've got to do all of Part I plus Part II for this year because you did the conversion step, unlike last year (2020). Second, don't get confused by the fact that this form above says “2020” and line 4 asks about 2021. This is the 2020 form but you will actually be filling out the 2021 form. The 2021 form isn't published yet by the IRS so I had to use the 2020 form for this demonstration. So add one year to anything you see here. Let's go through this line by line.

Your Roth IRA contributions will need to go through the “backdoor” many times as you build your portfolio.
Form 8606 – Part I
- Line 1 – That's the money you contributed for 2021.
- Line 2 – This is your basis. Since you made a contribution for 2020 but didn't do a conversion during 2020, your basis is $6,000.
- Line 3 – $6,000 + $6,000 = $12,000
- Line 4 – Remember this is asking about 2022, not 2021 and since you won't make the mistake of doing your contribution late again, this will be zero.
- Line 5 – $12,000 – $0 = $12,000
- Line 6 – This is the line that triggers the pro-rata issue. Even though you made a 2020 contribution, you did so AFTER December 31st, so this line would still be zero if you filled it out for 2020, which you didn't because you didn't do a conversion in 2020 and got to skip lines 4-13. But this is the 2021 form and since you converted your entire traditional IRA, this will be $0.
- Line 7 – This doesn't include conversions. Since you didn't take any money out of your traditional IRA this year except the conversion, this is $0
- Line 8 – You converted a total of $12,000 this year to a Roth IRA, so $12,000.
- Line 9 – $0 + $0 + $12,000 = $12,000
- Line 10 – $12,000/$12,000 = 1
- Line 11 – $12,000 * 1 = $12,000
- Line 12 – $0 * 1 = $0
- Line 13 – $12,000 + $0 = $12,000
- Line 14 – $12,000 – $12,000 = $0 Note that when you do this form for 2022, line 2 will be $0. (Line 14 on 2021 form = Line 2 of 2022 form.)
- Line 15a – $0 – $0 = $0
- Line 15b – You didn't take money out of an IRA to help you survive a disaster, so $0.
- Line 15c – $0 – $0 = $0
Part II
- Line 16 – Line 8 is $12,000 so $12,000
- Line 17 – Line 11 is $12,000 so $12,000
- Line 18 – $12,000 – $12,000 = $0
Backdoor Roth IRA FAQs
Can I still do a Backdoor Roth IRA for last year?
You have until tax day (generally April 15th, but as late as October 15th if you file an extension) of the following year to make your traditional IRA contribution. There is no deadline for the Roth conversion step; it can be done at anytime. Make sure you fill out the paperwork properly according to the section above about late contributions.
Can I do last year's IRA contribution and this year's IRA contribution at the same time and convert them at the same time?
Yes. Just remember to report last year's contribution on last year's Form 8606 and this year's contribution and the conversion on this year's Form 8606.
Does my 401(k), 403(b), 457(b), Roth IRA, or inherited IRA count toward the pro-rata calculation?
No. Only traditional IRAs, rollover IRAs, SEP-IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs count. See line 6 of Form 8606 for details.
What if it is a separate IRA? Does it still count?
Yes. All IRAs count toward the pro-rata calculation.
What should I do with my rollover or traditional IRA to avoid pro-ration?
If it is small, convert it to a Roth IRA along with this year's traditional IRA contribution and pay the tax due on it. If large, try to roll it into your employer's 401(k) or if you have self-employment income, into your individual 401(k).
I got pro-rated. What now?
The easiest solution is to convert the entire IRA, SEP-IRA, or SIMPLE IRA that caused the pro-ration and is now composed of both pre-tax and after-tax money. That is also the most expensive solution. A harder solution that may save you some taxes involves isolating the basis in that IRA by rolling the rest of the account into a 401(k) and then convert just the basis to a Roth IRA.
I am leaving my employer. Should I roll my 401(k) or 403(b) into a traditional IRA? If not, what should I do with it?
If you put it into a traditional IRA it is going to cause any future Backdoor Roths to be pro-rated. Better options include leaving it where it is, rolling it into your new employer's 401(k) or 403(b), rolling it into your individual 401(k), or if it is small, just converting the whole thing to a Roth IRA.
How much can I contribute to a Roth IRA via the Backdoor Roth IRA process?
In 2021, you are allowed to contribute $6,000 ($7,000 if 50+) per year for you and $6,000 ($7,000 if 50+) for your spouse. This includes all contributions to traditional and Roth IRAs. Rollovers/transfers do not count toward the annual contribution limit.
What should I invest the money into?
While in the traditional IRA for a day or two, leave it in cash. Once it is in the Roth IRA, invest it according to your written investing plan. If you don't have one, get one, but in the meantime it would be a good idea to put it into a lifecycle fund such as a Vanguard Target Retirement Fund.
Can I use the same traditional and Roth IRA each year or do I need new ones?
You can use the same ones each year.
The Backdoor Roth IRA process leads to more tax-free retirement account money for doctors and other high-income professionals. If you follow the simple steps outlined above, you will pay less in taxes, boost your returns, facilitate your estate planning, and increase your asset protection. Most members of The White Coat Investor community do these every year and you should too.
What do you think? Are you doing Backdoor Roth IRAs? Why or why not? Any questions about it? Comment below!
[This updated post was originally published in 2014.]
Great post!! Thanks for explaining to the detail.
I still have a question for you. I have a 401K and a Roth IRA account. My spouse (not employed) has a Traditional IRA account and have some amount in it.
For me to do backdoor Roth,
1. Would I need to open a new Traditional IRA in my name and then convert to my existing Roth IRA?
2. Assuming answer to above is yes and I open a NEW Traditional IRA account, Would my spouse’s existing Traditional IRA comes in consideration here? Would I have to calculate pro rata based on amount in her existing Traditional IRA? or would it be just based on my traditional IRA?
Appreciate your help with this.
1. Yes.
2. No. Totally separate contributions, calculations, and Form 8606s. That I in IRA stands for Individual.
Thanks for your reply and clearing my doubts.
One follow up please: Can I still (until April 15, 2022) do Roth conversion for year 2021?
(with the fact that I would have to open a new Traditional account and contribute for previous year 2021 in next few days).
thanks,
No. You can still do an IRA contribution for year 2021, but any conversion you do this year will be reported on your 2022 taxes.
No. It’s too late to do a Roth conversion for 2021. You can do an IRA contribution for 2021 and convert it in 2022 though.
I got a 1099-R for traditional IRA contribution for 2021. I had converted it all to Roth the next day…do I just file a 8606? Do I have to report the 1099-R anyone else?
You either just give it to your tax preparer and they’ll take care of it or you put it into the tax software when it asks for your 1099-Rs. Either way, it pretty much only shows up on the 8606 and perhaps the 1040 itself.
My Situation –
2020
Contributed to Roth IRA in 2020 $5290
2021
Jan’21 – Learnt my AGI will be over the limit so Recharacterized it to Trad IRA – $6292.19 (5290 + Earnings)
April’21- Converted to Roth IRA – $6303.63
Contributed $6000 to Roth IRA throughout 2021
Again, AGI above limit, Recharacterized to Trad IRA in Nov 2021- $6829.33 (6000 + Earnings)
Converted to Roth IRA in Dec 2021 – $6561
I need help reporting this in Form 8606.
Appreciate in advance, Thanks!
You made the same mistake twice?
Just treat the recharacterized IRA as though they were originally contributed to traditional IRAs. Otherwise, it’s exactly the same.
(You made the same mistake twice?)
I have learnt quite a lot from your site and will try to fix it from next year (Thank you for detailed explanations and responses to all the questions, very helpful!)
– Get it all in same year, vs doing the next year. Hence the two recharacterizations in 2021
– Go directly via Trad to Roth. So, no need to Recharacterize from Roth to Trad and Convert again.
(Treat Recharacterized IRA as though they were originally contributed to traditional IRAs)
Should I enter $6000 or the actual recharacterized amount ($6292.19) in Trad IRA Contributions?
Also I am assuming the recharacterization that I did in Jan 2021 for 2020 was supposed to go in 2020 8606? Is that correct?
The contribution was $6K. The $292.19 was gains. You’ll owe tax on them from the conversion.
If you recharacterized a contribution for tax year 2020, then treat it as a contribution for tax year 2020 and put it on a 2020 8606.
Makes sense. Thank you so much!
Hello there,
Thanks for all of this information, what a great resource here… I wish Id found you earlier! Im curious if Turbotax makes you print and mail your return due to making manual entries in the ‘forms’ mode? I typically use HR Block software (but am thinking about converting over to TT), and since the questions it asks in the wizard fill out form 8606 incorrectly, I have to make manual entires which invalidates my ability to e-file. Any suggestions (other than use TT instead)?
Thanks again!
I don’t know if that’s required or not. I generally did that anyway when I was using Turbotax.
TurboTax 2021 questions are different from the instruction here at WCI. I found it out myself by not answering the questions correctly because my 8606 form Part 2 was empty. Here is the Backdoor Roth instructions from TurboTax website for 2021: https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/entering-importing/help/how-do-i-enter-a-backdoor-roth-ira-conversion/00/25567
TurboTax doesn’t fill out line 6-12 in 8606 Part 1, which I don’t think is necessary similar to the way it was mentioned in this blog. I tried to manually override it anyway but it warns about cross checking issues due to e-filing so I decided to remove the override manual entries since the most important lines, taxable income, is 0.
Good day. Thanks for everything you provide to our community.
I currently have a SEP IRA Brokerage Account, Individual IRA Brokerage Account, and Roth IRA Brokerage Account with Vanguard.
I want to do my first ever backdoor Roth contribution this year.
I called Vanguard and spoke to a retirement account specialist and he said I don’t have to empty out my SEP IRA by Dec 31 and that I won’t be subject to the pro-rata rule because there will be no “comingled” funds in the accounts.
What he is saying seems to be contrary to what I’m reading here and on other sites.
Assuming I do need to roll over all of my SEP IRA funds to show zero balance on the account on Dec 31, to where can I roll those over?
I currently do have a 401K and cash balance plan (with another brokerage firm) as a solo owner of my medical practice.
Thanks!
The Vanguard “specialist” is wrong. You can believe me now or believe me when you do your taxes, but eventually, you’ll believe me over that specialist!
You can roll them into a 401(k) or 403(b) if you have one, perhaps open a solo 401(k) if you don’t and can. Otherwise, your choices are to convert the whole thing to a Roth IRA, not do a Backdoor Roth IRA conversion step, or get pro-rated.
I contributed 6000 to my Traditional IRA. But it took 6 days to clear the ACH from Bank.
Now Traditional IRA shows the balance as 6,000.01
I have 2 quick Questions if you can please help clarify
1. Should I transfer full 6,000.01 or just 6,000.00 to ROTH IRA?
2. Should I select Federal withhold = None and State Withhold = “None”
Appreciate your help
1. $6,000.01
2. Yes
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/pennies-and-the-backdoor-roth-ira/
Thanks very much
Hi,
I have a sep ira and I doesn’t qualify for direct roth ira from this year 2022 as my income increased. My wife is currently not working and she has no income.
we do file taxes as married filing jointly. My wife & I contributed 6k each in traditional ira for year 2022. Is it okay if I go through back door roth ira in my case?
Please advise.
Thanks,
Sam
Yes.
“There is no deadline on Roth conversions. If you need to perform a rollover or conversion of a traditional, rollover, SEP, or SIMPLE IRA in order to avoid the pro-rata rule, you have until December 31st of the year you do the conversion step”
I am slightly confused about this. I opened a traditional IRA for the first time in 2021 and deposited $12000 in it: $6000 as a late contribution for tax-year 2020 and $6000 for tax year 2021. Like the idiot that I am, I forgot about it until early Jan 2022 and that is when I ended up doing the Roth conversion. As a result I don’t have a 1099-R, but are there tax implications to my situation?
I have rectified my contribution for 2022, where I am going to contribute and convert in the same year to avoid the extra confusion.
Many thanks!
You’re okay as long as you didn’t do any sort of Roth conversion during calendar year 2021. No conversion, no pro-ration. Put your 2022 $6K in and convert $18K.
Hi,
I worked as an independent contractor in 2021 and contributed some money into my individual 401 k account. Unfortunate, I have over contributed (the profit sharing piece). Is there anyway to correct it while I file taxes for 2021? Please note, I’ve contributed the funds in Dec 2021.
Thank you
Yes, correct it ASAP. Sometimes it can just be changed to a 2022 contribution.
Thank you so much for your prompt reply!
I did not go above the 56 k IRS limit, but contributed too much for profit sharing based off my 1099 income. I contributed this in Dec 2021. Can I still allocate part of it as 2022 401k contribution?
Trying to understand what needs to be done to correct it. I called the brokerage firm and they basically told me to pay 10% penalty in excess contribution.
Thank you
It’s a $58K limit in 2021 FYI.
Call up the 401(k) provider, but they’ll either need to designate it as 2022 contribution or refund it..
I did not complete the Roth IRA Backdoor conversion in the same year. How do I fix it now?
I had $0 in my Traditional IRA, I deposited $6000 in the traditional IRA before December 31st, 2021, but the funds became available only after December 31st, 2021. So I completed the conversation from the Traditional IRA to the Roth IRA after December 31st, 2021. And I did not receive a 1099-R.
How do I avoid paying taxes or penalties? Can I still execute the Backdoor Roth IRA conversion for 2021 or 2022? Or can I revert everything back by pulling money out of the account?
Did you do any Roth conversion at all in 2021? If not, no big deal. Just follow these instructions:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/late-contributions-to-the-backdoor-roth-ira/
Yes, you can still do an IRA contribution for 2022. And there is no time limit on Roth conversions. So you can put another $6K in now convert all $12K in 2022. The 2021 contribution gets reported on your 2021 taxes. The 2022 contribution and any conversions done in 2022 go on your 2022 taxes.
No, you don’t need to pull anything out. If you did a Roth conversion in 2021, it’ll be pro-rated. But there’s nothing you can do now to prevent that. Pulling money out just makes your mess messier.
ok, thank you!!
I did not do any other Roth conversion in 2022. So, I will contribute another $6k in the traditional IRA this year, and convert the total $12k into the Roth IRA; the $6k I already converted + the $6k I will convert later.
Very helpful post!
In your mock example for recharacterization, you contributed $6000 to your Roth IRA and then later recharacterized $6,137.14 (original contribution plus earnings) to the traditional IRA. When filling out From 8606, would you then report your Traditional IRA contribution as $6000, or as $6137.14? I presume the former – the IRS would simply consider this a $6000 contribution to the traditional IRA which then went on to earn $137.14.
Doesn’t really matter what you recharacterize. $6K was contributed. That’s the relevant figure for the paperwork. With a recharacterization it’s as though you originally contributed the money to a traditional IRA all along.
If you then convert that IRA to a Roth IRA, you’ll owe taxes on $137 of course.
Hello Dr. Dahle-
Really enjoyed the conference! For a late contribution for the backdoor Roth IRA ( I contributed and converted in 2021 for both 2020 and 2021), my turbotax 2021 8606 lines 8-11 are blank. I checked to make sure my 1099R was copied correctly and it is. Is this a problem?
We enjoyed the conference too!
If lines 14, 15c, and 18 are fine, I wouldn’t worry about it. Turbotax uses a worksheet that sometimes leaves some lines blank. It’s a bit controversial which is the right way to fill it out, but for most it ends up with the same answer so no big deal.
Thank you for this interesting article!
One clarification: funding your account with 6,000 dollars (7000 if over 50), is with post-tax money, right? There is no way to have double-tax benefits by having your employer contribute to an IRA pre-tax then rolling over to a Roth and have tax free growth? I know that is the case with an HSA account.
I just turned 50 and would like to move more money into a Roth.
Thank you for clarifying,
Carla
Employers don’t contribute to IRAs. High earners with a 401(k) at work cannot deduct IRA contributions. So those contributions end up being post-tax money.
Thank you so much for this post!
A couple questions. I created a Fidelity traditional IRA account Dec 2021, contributed $6000, and converted all to a Roth IRA before the end of the year. It went smoothly. However Fidelity was having a special offer during that time – $100 for opening a new account. The problem is that they did not deposit that bonus offer until Dec 30th 2021, and therefore I did not clear out my traditional IRA of $100 by the end of the year. I’m guessing that this will trigger the pro-rata? Also with that $100 in my traditional IRA account, what is the max I can contribute for 2022 ($5900 or $6000)?
Thanks!
Duy
Yup, you’ll be pro-rated.
I can’t imagine that $100 gets counted as a contribution so I think you can still contribute $6K to both 2021 and 2022.
I had something similar years ago when Fidelity was giving away money. I was told it did not count as a contribution, if that helps.
So you should be OK with putting in $6,000. I would call Fidelity if it was me to be sure. Good Luck.
Hello,
I turned 50 last July. I just funded a traditional IRA with 7000, declared for year 2021 through Fidelity. When I tried to convert to Roth IRA I was instructed by the Fidelity customer service rep that I can only declare the conversion for the 2022 year. It was my impression that I could fund through April 1st and convert and still apply to the 2021 year. Are the Fidelity folks confused? Why cannot I convert for the 2021 year? Should I try another investment firm?
thanks,
Carla
You can still contribute for 2021, but any conversion you do will show up as 2022 income. No big deal, since there is no taxable income, right? No, you’re not going to get a different answer elsewhere. This is just the way it works. It’s fine.
Hi,
I have 1099 for 2021 as a sole proprietor. I also have incorporated my company and selected S corp for tax status. I have income for my s corp as well for which I did not receive any 1099.
When I file form 1120-s I am having to report expenses and income. Can Expenses, eg for professional licensing, travel, etc. that I show on 1120s be reported on Schedule C as well against my 1099 income ( when I do personal income tax filing) ?
How can home office deductions be made for S corp?
Thank you
No, you can’t deduct the same expense twice no matter how many companies you own or what type of companies they are.
You rent your house to the S corp. The good news is that if you do it 14 days or less, that income is not taxable to you personally. You could also claim the true home office deduction for the sole proprietorship if it meets the criteria.
I recently got married earlier in 2022. I am an attending OBGYN and my wife works as an RN. Prior to us getting married she directly funded a Roth IRA with Charles Schwab with $100 every month. We are planning to move her Roth IRA over to Fidelity for many reasons, but not important for this post. We each filed taxes as single for 2021 because we were not married yet and plan to file taxes jointly in 2022. Our joint MAGI is around $300K, which is well above the IRS limits for us to contribute directly to a Roth IRAs.
I know she can keep her Roth IRA in her name because she owned it prior to getting married, and it can continue to grow tax free. However, now because our joint MAGI is ~$300K, my understanding is that she should stop directly funding her Roth IRA. Unfortunately by the time we realized the IRS rules for marriage & Roth IRAs she contributed her automatic $100/month to her Roth IRA in Jan, Feb, and March. My questions are:
1) As I said above, we are going to move her current Roth IRA from Charles Schwab to Fidelity. I plan on funding a Traditional IRA for her with Fidelity and converting it via the Backdoor Roth IRA process into her already existing Roth IRA (once it is at Fidelity). I will use her existing Roth IRA as her Spousal Backdoor Roth IRA. I wanted to see if this makes sense and hear from anyone who has encountered this process? Or do we have to open a completely new Roth IRA account for her at Fidelity to fund it via the backdoor? I am fairly certain I am not the first person to run into this situation after getting married.
2) She only contributed $300 to her Roth IRA since we got married at the start of 2022, but technically this falls into the category of “overfunding” a Roth IRA. The two options we have to take back this “overfunding” of her Roth IRA so far for 2022 are 1) Withdraw the excess contributions or 2) Re-characterize these contributions. Looking for a recommendation on which would be better/easier on a small amount like $300?
Thanks for all you do! I have read both books and religiously listen to the podcast since finishing residency in June 2017. I used to hate finance stuff, but have taken a big interest in it and actually enjoy it “now that it matters”. I wish I read the books as a medical student, but better late than never!
You’ll need to recharacterize that $300, then reconvert it. Better to realize now than next year.
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/ira-recharacterizations/
1. Yes, you can use the existing Roth.
2. Recharacterize is better.
I just wanted to thank you for putting this all together. I’m not a doctor, but rather someone who (thankfully?) for the first time ran into the issue of my Roth IRA contributions exceeding the allowable amount. I looked everywhere and couldn’t find someone that laid out exactly what I needed to do to correct it, and you did a great job.
It seems like most of the other websites focus on how to accomplish a backdoor Roth in a “greenfield” environment and do not tell you how to correct situations when you discover them in the following calendar year, explaining how the pro-rata rule won’t necessarily sink you if you had non-taxable IRAs because it is based on when you convert it, etc. Just a lot of really great information, screenshots of forms, TurboTax help, and more.
I just completed my recharacterization (will do the conversion after that’s done) and feel confident that I know how to correct this and get a handle on it going forward, so thank you. I think my only real annoyance is that I’ll be paying taxes on the earnings as part of the conversion and 2021 was a great year for the market, so . . . that sucks, but it is what it is. Thanks again!
Our pleasure.
I have a rollover IRA at vanguard from previous job. Do I need to transfer it to my current 401k to qualify for backdoor Roth IRA? If yes, what kind of steps it involves? I guess I am pretty late to do backdoor Roth now for 2021. What do you think? Thanks
To “qualify”? No. To avoid pro-ration? Yes.
Contact the 401(k) provider and ask for the form that allows you to roll an IRA in there. Fill it out. They’ll request the money from your IRA holder and a month or two later, it’ll all be in the 401(k).
You can still do a 2021 IRA contribution. The conversion step, of course, will take place in 2022. No big deal.
Dr. Dahle,
Question regarding filing 8606.
Scenario:
– I filed my 2021 taxes, with Tax Slayer online.
– I discovered WCI website = awesome!
– I called Vanguard; they’ve opened a 2021 Traditional / non-deductive IRA account (money is still in cash / not invested yet).
– Plan was to convert to Roth IRA later this week.
If I continue with this plan, I need to amend my 2021 tax filing by 15 April.
Issue: the Tax Slayer software forces me (at a minimum, and I’ve contacted the company twice) to populate the following:
Line 1: 6000
Line 3: 6000
Line 4: 6000
Line 14: 6000
Qs:
1. What are the repercussions of including Line 4: $6,000. in terms of my goal of converting to Roth IRA in 2022?
2. Vanguard has offered to “recharacterize” from 2021 to 2022, and state no 1099Rs / tax implications would occur, and I wouldn’t need to amend my 2021 tax filing.
3. Vanguard has offered to cancel the entire transaction, also without 1099Rs / tax implications.
thanks for any advice,
Aaron
1. Not an issue.
2. Don’t you want to do a 2021 and a 2022 IRA contribution? If so, why would you take Vanguard up on their offer? I wouldn’t.
3. Why would you want to do that? Just file a 1040X. I do it at least every other year. It’s not a big deal.
Great work done here by WCI. Most readers here are mostly likely interested in Vanguard and Fidelity. Would anyone be interested in Step-by-Step instructions on how to do backdoor Roth on Schwab? I would not mind contributing my part.
I think a feature would be very helpful would be in the comments section are searchable in this blog since it has around 40 pages of comments.
It would be nice if the comments section are searchable since it has roughly 40 pages of comments.
The truth is almost every single question in the comments is addressed in the post itself, which is searchable using your search engine right along with the comments. Just hit those three dots in the upper right of Chrome and use “find” function.
Yes, I noticed your “ultimate” blog here literally cover everything in details as much as possible.
If you send me screenshots (or even an entire guest post) we’ll publish it.
I just put together the instructions for backdoor Roth with the most up to date screenshots as of today at Schwab. If you think it’s useful for a lot of people here, feel free to copy/edit or however you want to do it.
https://qpl-roth.blogspot.com/2022/04/how-to-do-backdoor-roth-ira-at-schwab.html
Thanks for sharing. Are you planning on leaving that page up?
Yes, but please feel free to move it to your site if you think it’s good for the long term.
I’ll put Lauren on it.
Hi Jim and other readers- Question for you about the 8606 form and a backdoor Roth: I had my wife do a $2500 traditional IRA (non-deductible) contribution in Dec. 2020. When I did my $6000 IRA trad. IRA contribution and subsequent Roth conversion in 2020, I stupidly forgot to do her $2500 Roth conversion. I do recall that this $2500 IRA contribution would’ve been reported on my wife’s 8606 for 2020 but I’ll have to double-check that.
So, in 2021 I had my wife do the standard $6000 non-deductible traditional IRA contribution and later in the year we rolled over her entire $8500 traditional non-deductible IRA balance to the Roth IRA. This week, my tax advisor is working on the 8606 form for my wife’s part of our 2021 tax return and the $2500 is causing some confusion. There would’ve been a balance of $2500 in my wife’s traditional IRA as of the end of 2020 since we didn’t convert that amount in 2020. However, her entire balance would’ve been non-deductible/after-tax. There would have been no portion of her traditional IRA that was pre-tax as of the end of 2020. My question is are we now stuck with a pro-rata $8500 Roth conversion? I didn’t think so but please let me know your thoughts.
Also, do you (or anyone else reading) have an example of a completed 8606 form where someone had a similar scenario (a non-deductible IRA contribution from a prior year and in the non-deductible trad. IRA as of the prior year and that’s included in that tax return year’s total Roth conversion amount)?
Thank you.
No. Nothing to pro-rate. It’s all post-tax money, right? No gains or anything?
Try this post:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/late-contributions-to-the-backdoor-roth-ira/
But slightly different as the $2500 was contributed during the calendar year.
Hi,
Great post! I’ve been doing backdoor Roth for a few years now and recently told a friend about it. A few questions came up which I couldn’t answer with certainty:
1) If my friend and his spouse file jointly (she currently has no earned income), can he make a backdoor Roth contribution/conversion for himself only ($6k) and not be subject to pro-rata rule as his wife has an IRA? Or, does filing jointly mean his wife’s IRA is taken into consideration for his backdoor Roth?
2) My friend contributed $11k over 2 years to an IRA for his wife and was over the income threshold so paid taxes on the contributions. He didn’t have a great accountant so this $11k was not converted via Backdoor. Should he want to do backdoor Roth contributions/conversions for his wife going forward and not be subject to the pro-rata rule, would he have to pay tax AGAIN on the $11k (+ earnings) or is there a way around it since taxes were already paid on this contribution?
Thanks much,
Backdoor difficulties
1. yes. No. The I in IRA stands for individual. Your spouse’s IRA balances have nothing to do with the pro-rata calculation on your 8606, even when you file jointly.
2. No. That basis should be carried forward on form 8606 each year. If that’s the only money in the IRA (plus a few gains), they should just convert the whole thing and do Backdoor Roth IRAs each year going forward.
Thank you. What do you mean, “No. That basis should be carried forward on form 8606 each year.” When he converts the IRA, he’ll have to pay taxes on the entire conversion? (Even though it was funded with post-tax $$.) And doesn’t form 8606 look exactly the same every year once your IRA balance is zero?
The “way around it” that you asked for is to file Form 8606 each year documenting the basis. That keeps you from paying taxes twice on that money.
No, not as long as he has been documenting the basis on Form 8606 each year.
Yes, but that’s not what you’re describing. You’re describing someone who made some contributions but never did the conversion step.
Ok, wow. So, just to make sure I’m understanding this correctly, assuming he paid taxes on (as he’s over the threshold) and contributed the max to his wife’s traditional IRA the past 5 years, had he filled out a 8606 form each year, that entire amount (shy the possible gains) is not taxable again? I could be wrong, but I’m not sure his accountant filed an 8606 form for any year. If not, I think the first contribution was in 2018 or 2019. Can he amend those returns and add an 8606 form each year to fix his problem? His (new) accountant is telling him he owes taxes on the entire IRA funded only with post-tax $$$!
It’s not taxable again whether you filled out the 8606 or not. But the way you usually show the IRS it isn’t taxable is by doing an 8606 each year.
Yes, you can amend returns up to 3 years old. But that 3 year old one I would show all the appropriate basis on and keep separate records documenting that basis.
Sounds like you need a new accountant to me.
I really appreciate your time and help. Thankfully my first backdoor Roth conversion was after I started reading WCI regularly so I didn’t have these problems. I will say, however, my accountant filled out the 8606 incorrectly the first year and I was almost double-taxed. Thanks to you/WCI, I was able to correct the issue. Yes—my friend definitely needs a new (new) accountant. No offense, but us docs shouldn’t be teaching our accountants this stuff.
If it makes you feel any better, I hired an accountant to do personal taxes last year for the first time (they’d been doing the business taxes for a year before that). They messed up MY Backdoor Roth IRA. Twice.
Haha, true. Hopefully we all feel better thar we visit WCI regularly. By the way, I do my backdoor Roth conversions on Vanguard every year. When I receive the 1099-R, in Box 1 (Gross distribution) it say $6k and in Box 2a (Taxable amount) is says $6k. Around May I’ll receive 5498s which show I converted the amount, but why does the $6k appear as being taxable for the IRS to see? Am I doing something wrong when I click the Vanguard boxes on the conversion? Or, because Vanguard does not know our income and whether we meet the IRA threshold, it presumes everything taken out of the IRA is taxable? Thank you.
2b should be checked which says they have no idea how much is taxable so it’s up to you to enter that.