By Dr. James M. Dahle, WCI Founder
Setting up a Backdoor Roth can be confusing, so I thought I’d put together a tutorial on the Backdoor Roth IRA steps people can refer to when they go through this process. Let's get started.
Table of Contents
- What Is a Backdoor Roth IRA?
- Who Should Do a Backdoor Roth IRA?tra
- When to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA?
- Backdoor Roth IRA Pros and Cons
- Backdoor Roth IRA Tax Implications
- Backdoor Roth IRA Steps
- How to Fix and Prevent Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
- Backdoor Roth IRA FAQs
What Is a Backdoor Roth IRA?
Despite its name, a Backdoor Roth IRA is not an account, it is a process with two steps:
- Contribute to a Traditional IRA.
- Complete a Roth conversion.
If you understand the rules of both of these steps, putting them together is no problem.
Who Should Do a Backdoor Roth IRA
Remember that if you are a low earner you can just contribute DIRECTLY to a Roth IRA and skip this Backdoor Roth IRA process.
Roth IRA Limits and Conversion Rules
Low earner is defined as a Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) under a phaseout range in 2022 of $129,000-$144,000 ($204,000-$214,000 Married Filing Jointly). Some docs like residents, employee dentists, part-timers, and even some medical attendings in the lower-paying specialties who are married to a non-earner can just contribute to a Roth IRA directly.
Anyone who earns at least $6,000 ($7,000 if 50+) can contribute $6,000 ($7,000 if 50+) to an IRA [2022]. If your income is below a MAGI of $129,000-$144,000 ($204,000-$214,000 Married Filing Jointly), you can contribute directly to a Roth IRA. If you have a retirement plan offered to you at work and your MAGI is below $68,000-$78,000 ($109,000-$129,000 Married Filing Jointly) you can deduct your traditional IRA contributions. Since most readers of this blog have a retirement plan through their job and have (or soon will have) a MAGI over $214,000, they will find that they can neither make direct Roth IRA contributions NOR deduct their traditional IRA contributions. Thus, their best IRA option is the Backdoor Roth IRA process, i.e., an indirect Roth IRA contribution.
Spousal IRAs
Married physicians should be using a personal and spousal Roth IRA, and will usually need to fund both indirectly (i.e., through the back door). Not only does this provide an additional $6,000 each ($7,000 for each spouse that is 50+) of tax-protected and (in most states) asset-protected space per tax year, but it allows for more tax diversification in retirement. Tax diversification allows you to determine your own tax rate as a retiree by deciding how much to take from tax-deferred (traditional) accounts and how much from tax-free (Roth) accounts. Remember that IRA stands for INDIVIDUAL Retirement Arrangement. So even if the pro-rata rule (discussed below) keeps you from doing the Backdoor Roth IRA, it doesn't necessarily keep your spouse from doing so. Each spouse reports their Backdoor Roth IRA on their own separate 8606, so the tax return for a married couple doing Backdoor Roth IRAs should always include two form 8606s.
Married Filing Separately
The contribution and deduction income limits are particularly low if you are filing your taxes Married Filing Separately (MFS). Both the ability to contribute directly to a Roth IRA and the ability to deduct a traditional IRA contribution if you (or your spouse) are eligible for a retirement plan at work phase out between $0 and $10,000. Basically, the best option for anyone filing their taxes MFS is the Backdoor Roth IRA process, i.e., an indirect Roth IRA contribution.
There is an exception to these rules if you do not actually live with your spouse. In that case, your ability to contribute directly to a Roth IRA phases out between a MAGI of $125,000-$140,000 in 2021. If you live separately and are not covered by a retirement plan at work, you can deduct a traditional IRA contribution no matter your income. You can still do a Backdoor Roth IRA process in these situations where your IRA contribution is either partially or completely deductible. The tax bill will be precisely the same, $0 when done properly. However, instead of having no tax cost for either the contribution or the conversion, your deduction on the contribution will precisely equal the tax cost on the conversion, resulting in that same $0 tax bill for the entire process.
Mega Backdoor Roth IRA
A Mega Backdoor Roth IRA is completely different from a regular Backdoor Roth IRA. Despite its name, you actually do a Mega Backdoor Roth IRA with a 401(k), not an IRA. It requires a 401(k) that both accepts after-tax (not Roth) employee contributions and allows for either in-service withdrawals (and thus conversions to a Roth IRA) or, more commonly, in-plan conversions. Using the Mega Backdoor Roth IRA process, one might be able to put as much as $58,000 ($64,500 if 50+) [2021] per year into a Roth 401(k) (or possibly a Roth IRA in addition to your usual $6,000-$7,000 contribution). However, this process has nothing to do with the Backdoor Roth IRA process we are discussing in this post.
When to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA?
Lots of people wonder about the timing of a Backdoor Roth IRA.
IRA Contribution Deadline
There is really only one deadline to meet with the Backdoor Roth IRA process. IRA contributions for a given tax year must take place between January 1st of the tax year and April 15th (even if you file an extension) of the following year.
Backdoor Roth IRA Conversion Deadline
The conversion step may take place at any time. It can take place the next day or even the same day as the contribution. I don't recommend it, but you can wait months, years, or even decades between the contribution and the conversion step. There is no deadline on Roth conversions. If you need to perform a rollover or conversion of a traditional, rollover, SEP, or SIMPLE IRA in order to avoid the pro-rata rule, you have until December 31st of the year you do the conversion step.
When Should You Contribute and Convert?
You should do both steps as soon as possible. Many white coat investors do the IRA contribution step and the Roth conversion step the first week of January each year. This maximizes the amount of tax-free compounding that can occur on those dollars. Minimizing the time between contribution and conversion and doing both steps within the calendar year is not required, but certainly simplifies the paperwork.
Want to really make your paperwork complicated? Contribute to your IRA each month and convert it each month. Then you have 12 contributions and 12 conversions to keep track of each year. Seriously though, if you make enough money that you have to contribute to your Roth IRA(s) through the Backdoor Roth IRA process, you make enough to do it in one fell swoop each year.
Can I Do a Backdoor Roth IRA Every Year?
Yes. My wife and I have done one every year since 2010 and do not plan to stop until we no longer have any earned income. It is just one of the investment chores we perform once a year.
5-Year Rule
One factor that may push you to do a Backdoor Roth IRA earlier is the 5-year rule. Now there are at least three 5-year rules related to IRAs, but the main one to pay attention to here is the 5-year rule after a Roth conversion. This rule determines whether the withdrawal of principal from the account prior to age 59 1/2 will be penalty-free. The 5-year period starts on January 1st of the year you do the conversion, so it could be a little less than 5 years. Roth IRA principal generally comes out tax and penalty-free (it is only the earnings that may be subject to penalties), but that is only the case after the 5-year rule has been fulfilled.
In essence, if you do a conversion of a Roth IRA at age 51, you can then withdraw the principal tax and penalty-free starting at age 56 rather than age 59 1/2. This can provide funding for living expenses to early retirees. If you do a Roth conversion at age 57, you still get access to that principal (and earnings) tax and penalty-free at age 59 1/2. So it's 5 years or age 59 1/2, whichever comes first.
There is also a completely separate 5-year rule on IRA contributions, but this starts from the time you make your very first IRA contribution, not every contribution, so it should not apply to most early retirees.
Backdoor Roth IRA Pros and Cons
There are a lot of great things about the Backdoor Roth IRA, but it isn't all peaches and cream.
Pros of Backdoor Roth IRA
The main benefit of a Backdoor Roth IRA is that it provides you another retirement account. Via the Backdoor Roth IRA process, you can continue to contribute to a Roth IRA even after your earnings rise above the income limit for direct Roth IRA contributions. Retirement accounts eliminate the tax drag that applies in a taxable, or non-qualified account, reducing your taxes and allowing your investment to grow at a higher rate so you can reach your goals sooner.
How much can that tax protection be worth compared to a taxable account? It depends on the return of the underlying investment, its tax efficiency, and the amount of time the money is left in the account. At my marginal tax rate, $10,000 earning 8% in a tax-inefficient investment over 50 years would grow to $469,000 in a Roth IRA but only $88,000 in a taxable account. More realistically, over 30 years the use of a Roth IRA versus a taxable account for a tax-efficient investment would still result in 29% more money.
Retirement accounts ensure simple estate planning. By using beneficiaries, that money does not go through the probate process, so your heirs get it sooner with less hassle, more privacy, and no cost. They can even stretch the tax-protected growth benefit for another decade after they inherit the account. Retirement accounts like a Roth IRA also provide substantial asset protection in most states, meaning that in the admittedly very rare event of a dramatically above policy limits judgment that isn't reduced on appeal, you can declare bankruptcy and still keep what is in your retirement accounts. Roth money is tax-free forever, so by continuing to contribute each year you can increase tax diversification in retirement.
Cons of Backdoor Roth IRA
Roth IRAs, even when you contribute via the Backdoor Roth IRA process, are still retirement accounts with all of their downsides. Retirement accounts limit the investments you can put in them and prohibit the use of margin investing. If you withdraw Roth IRA earnings prior to age 59 1/2 without an approved exception, you will owe a 10% penalty.
Due to the pro-rata rule (see below), the Backdoor Roth IRA process requires you to either convert or rollover into a 401(k) any traditional IRAs, SEP-IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs you may have. If you have self-employment income, you will need to use an individual (solo) 401(k) instead of a SEP-IRA to shelter that income from taxes. Doing Backdoor Roth IRAs each year also adds one form (IRS Form 8606) per spouse to your tax return. If preparing your own taxes using tax software, it can be tricky to ensure the software reports the process correctly. If you do a Backdoor Roth IRA instead of (rather than in addition to) maxing out your tax-deferred accounts during your peak earnings years, that can also be a mistake that results in the accumulation of less money.
Perhaps most significantly, there are now two steps to getting money into your Roth IRA each year instead of just one. While I think the process is pretty darn simple, I am continually amazed at all of the unique ways that doctors manage to screw it up. Later in the article, I'll show you how to fix all of those screw-ups.
Is a Backdoor Roth IRA Worth It?
Yes! Most of the time. It really is just a little bit of hassle to do each year, although there may be some additional hassle the first year if you need to take care of another IRA first to avoid the pro-rata rule. There may be times when someone has a large traditional IRA they cannot afford to convert to a Roth IRA and cannot roll over into a 401(k) because they don't have a 401(k) at all, their 401(k) charges high fees, or because the IRA assets are invested in something they cannot invest in within a 401(k). If your employer-provided retirement account is a SIMPLE IRA or a SEP-IRA, the Backdoor Roth IRA process is also probably not worth it. Finally, some multi-millionaires don't want to bother with even the minor hassle of the Backdoor Roth IRA process because getting an extra $6K-$14K a year into Roth accounts just isn't going to move the needle for them.
Backdoor Roth IRA Tax Implications
Roth IRAs are all about avoiding taxation on earnings, so naturally, there are lots of tax implications of this process.
Pro-Rata Rule
The most important tax implication to be aware of is the pro-rata rule. I would estimate that 90%+ of Backdoor Roth IRA screw-ups involve the investor having his or her conversion pro-rated. When you report a Roth IRA conversion on IRS Form 8606 (see below) there is a pro-rata calculation made. The numerator is the amount converted. The denominator is the total of ALL traditional, rollover, SEP, and SIMPLE IRAs, but not 401(k)s, 403(b)s, 457(b)s, Roth IRAs, or inherited IRAs. Therefore it is critical that you DO SOMETHING with any IRA balance you have PRIOR to December 31st of the year in which you do a Roth conversion of after-tax money. Later in this article, I'll describe the exact options you have of what to do with this money.
Tax on Backdoor Roth IRA Conversion
Done properly, there is NO tax on a Backdoor Roth IRA conversion. Zero. Nada. Zilch. While the money you put into a Roth IRA (indirectly via the Backdoor in this case) was taxed when you earned it, it is NOT taxed when you contribute it directly to a Roth IRA or when you contribute it as a non-deductible IRA conversion nor when you subsequently convert that money to a Roth IRA. In fact, it is never taxed again.
Do I Need to Worry About the Step Transaction Doctrine?
There used to be a concern that the IRS would have a problem with the backdoor Roth due to an IRS rule called The Step Transaction Doctrine. This rule basically says that if the sum of a bunch of legal steps is illegal, then you can’t do it. Some wondered if this backdoor conversion from traditional IRA to Roth was a legal transaction considering this doctrine. Those concerns, valid or not, are no longer an issue. The IRS clarified in early 2018 that no waiting period is required between the contribution and conversion steps of the Backdoor Roth IRA and essentially has given its blessing on the whole process. Waiting just makes things more complicated on the 8606, as discussed in Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA.
How to Report a Backdoor Roth IRA on Turbotax
Reporting the Backdoor Roth IRA properly on Turbotax is unfortunately even more complicated than filling out Form 8606 by hand. The key to doing it right is to recognize that you report the conversion step in the Income section but you report the contribution step in the Deductions and Credits section. Since you generally do the income section first, you report the conversion before you report the contribution, even though you actually did the contribution before the conversion. At the end, you want to look at the Form(s) 8606 that Turbotax generates, just like you would check up on one filled out by an accountant.
More information here:
How to Report a Backdoor Roth IRA on TurboTax
Backdoor Roth IRA Steps, Tutorials, and Walkthroughs
In this section, we'll explain exactly how to do the Backdoor Roth IRA process and how to report it on your tax return, whether you file on paper or using tax software. You can easily walk through these Backdoor Roth IRA steps at Vanguard, complete a Backdoor Roth at Fidelity, or knock out a Backdoor Roth IRA at Schwab, three of the most popular brokerage/mutual fund companies.
How to Perform and Report on Paper the Backdoor Roth IRA Process
While it is really just a two-step process, it is best to think of it as a five-step process. These steps don't all have to be done in order (it might be easier to do Step 3 before Step 1), but they will all need to be done.
Step 1 – Contribute to a Traditional IRA
Make a $6,000 ($7,000 if 50+) non-deductible traditional IRA contribution for yourself, and one for your spouse. You can use the same traditional IRA accounts every year—they just spend most of the time with $0 in it. Most fund companies, including Vanguard, don’t close the account just because there is nothing in it. I do this every January 2nd.
Step 2 – Leave the Money in Cash
An account like a traditional IRA is not an investment, of course, just like a suitcase isn't clothing. When putting money in a traditional IRA, you also have to tell the IRA provider what you would like to invest in. In this case, just leave the money in cash, whether a money market fund or a settlement fund. At Vanguard, the settlement fund is the Federal Money Market Fund. You really don't want to have any gains (or especially any losses) between the contribution and conversion step because it makes the paperwork more complicated. The best way to minimize the gains is to leave it in cash (and then of course to do the conversion as soon after contribution as possible to minimize the “pennies” issue).
Step 3 – Convert the Traditional IRA to a Roth IRA
Next, convert the non-deductible traditional IRA to a Roth IRA by transferring the money from your traditional IRA into your Roth IRA at the same fund company. If you don’t already have a Roth IRA there, you’ll need to open one. This can be done in a minute or two online at Vanguard and is essentially the same process as opening the traditional IRA. I do this the very next day after I make the contribution. It is very straightforward. When you transfer the money, the website will throw up a scary banner saying something like “THIS IS A TAXABLE EVENT.” That’s true. It is taxable. It is just that the tax bill is zero for it since you’ve already paid taxes on the $6,000 and couldn’t claim your contribution as a deduction because you make too much money. You can do Step 3 basically immediately after Step 1. Some companies will let you do it the same day. Other companies will make you wait until the next day or even a week or so. But there is no reason to wait months to do it.
Step 4 – Invest the Money
Now you will need to select an investment for the money in your Roth IRA. If you already have an investment in there, you can simply add $6,000 to it. Otherwise, you will need to select an investment in accordance with your written investing plan. If you do not have a written investing plan yet, you can leave the money in cash or put it into a Target Retirement 2050 or other lifecycle fund until you get that part of your financial plan worked out.
Step 5 – Beware of the Pro-Rata Rule
Get rid of any SEP-IRA, SIMPLE IRA, traditional IRA, or rollover IRA money. The total sum of these accounts on December 31st of the year in which you do the conversion step (Step 2) must be zero to avoid a “pro-rata” calculation (see line 6 on Form 8606) that can eliminate most of the benefit of a Backdoor Roth IRA.
You Can Get Rid of These IRA Accounts in Three Ways:
- Withdraw the money (not recommended, as the money would be subject to tax and/or penalties, not to mention DECREASING your tax-advantaged/asset-protected investment space).
- Convert the entire sum to a Roth IRA. Only recommended if it is a relatively small amount and you can afford to pay the taxes out of current earnings or taxable investments with relatively high basis.
- Roll the money over into a 401(k), 403(b), or Individual 401(k). 401(k)s don’t count in the aforementioned pro-rata calculation. Some physicians even open an Individual 401(k) at Fidelity, eTrade, or Vanguard (rollovers from traditional IRAs to solo 401(k)s is a recent addition to Vanguard) in order to facilitate a Backdoor Roth IRA.
Step 6 – Fill Out IRS Form 8606 Correctly
The next part of the Backdoor Roth IRA is done months later when you (or your accountant) fill out your IRS Form 8606 on your taxes. Don't forget to do it or there is a $50 penalty. Remember that you need one form for each spouse. INDIVIDUAL Retirement Arrangements. You need to double-check this to make sure it is done right, even if you hire a pro to avoid screwing this part up. Advisors have told me that they have had to help clients fix dozens of these that tax preparers have done improperly. If you don't do it right, you'll pay taxes twice on your Backdoor Roth IRA contribution.
Page 1 (below) shows a “distribution” from your non-deductible IRA. Since the money was already taxed, the taxable amount on your distribution is zero. Line 1 is your non-deductible contribution. On Line 2, your basis is zero because you had no money in a traditional IRA on December 31 of last year (if you've been carrying a non-deductible IRA for years this may not be zero). Line 6 is zero in a typical year. Note that Turbotax may fill this out a little differently (may leave lines 6-12 blank) but you end up with the same thing. Line 13 is the same as line 3, so tax due is zero.
On page 2 (below), you are showing the Roth conversion. I'm not really sure why you have to do this twice (since you're just transferring the amounts from lines 8 and 11 and then subtracting them), but that's what the form calls for. As you can see, a Roth conversion of a non-deductible traditional IRA contribution without any gains is a taxable event, it's just that the tax bill is zero for it.
When double-checking your tax preparer's work, you want to concentrate on lines 2, 14, 15c, and 18, and make sure they're a very small amount, like zero, and not a very large amount, like $6,000. The form can get more complicated if you are doing other Roth conversions at the same time or if you made a contribution for the previous year (i.e., made your 2020 contribution in 2021). See below for more details.
Notice how there is no place on the form to put the date when you made the contribution or the date when you made the conversion. It isn't on the form your IRA custodian sends to the IRS (1099-R) either.
Do It All Again Next Year
You do not have to wait any period of time between the contribution and conversion. Each year, I make my Traditional IRA contribution on January 2, then convert to a Roth IRA the next day or within a few days. That gets my investment money working as soon as possible and simplifies the record keeping. Vanguard won’t let you do it the same day (sometimes other providers will), so I have to wait one day anyway. Occasionally they'll make you wait up to a week. If you find you have a few pennies left in the account and are worried you'll get pro-rated, take a look at this post: Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA.
More information here:
How to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA with Vanguard
How to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA at Fidelity
How to Fix and Prevent Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
In this section, we're going to talk about how to fix and prevent common mistakes in the Backdoor Roth IRA process. In order to better organize these mistakes, we will break down the process into the six very clear steps used above and then will explain possible errors with each step and what to do about them.
6 Steps to Successfully Contribute to a Backdoor Roth IRA
- Step 1 – Contribute to traditional IRA ($6K, $7K if 50+ for 2021).
- Step 2 – Invest the money in a money market fund.
- Step 3 – Move money from traditional IRA to Roth IRA (i.e., a Roth conversion).
- Step 4 – Invest in your preferred investment (typically a stock, bond, or balanced index mutual fund).
- Step 5 – Ensure you have no money in a traditional IRA, SEP-IRA, or SIMPLE IRA on December 31st of the year you do the CONVERSION step.
- Step 6 – Report the transactions correctly on your taxes by filling out Form 8606.
Seriously. That's it. If you can do a cholecystectomy, you can do this. If you can work up a pulmonary embolus appropriately, you can do this. If you can manage hypertension well, you can do this. If you can fill a cavity, you can do this. Super easy.
However, people still manage to screw up on EACH of those six steps. Let's go through the mistakes people make, step by step.
How to FIX Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
Step 1 Error – Contributing Directly to a Roth IRA
An error that commonly occurs with a first Backdoor Roth IRA is that people simply don't realize that their income is too high to do a direct Roth IRA contribution. So instead of doing it indirectly (i.e., going through the Backdoor), which is no big deal even if you're under the limit, they contribute directly to a Roth IRA. Then they realize their Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) is over $$125,000-$140,000 ($198,000-$208,000 Married Filing Jointly) for 2021. Now what?
Enter the Recharacterization
If you have made this error, now you have to recharacterize the Roth IRA contribution to a traditional IRA contribution. This basically makes it as though you never contributed to a Roth IRA but contributed to a traditional IRA instead. You usually have to call your IRA provider to get this done, but it's no big deal. In this section, I'll walk you through the details of how to do it.
You have until the due date of your tax return to do this (including extensions). So if you did an IRA contribution in January of 2021 for the 2021 tax year, you have until October 15, 2022 to do a recharacterization. There's no penalty or anything to do it. You can do the opposite as well if you contributed to a traditional IRA but meant to contribute directly to a Roth IRA.
Bear in mind that starting in 2018, you can no longer do recharacterizations of Roth CONVERSIONS (not contributions). This eliminated the “Roth IRA Conversion Horserace” technique for tax reduction.
Until recently, I had thought there was a waiting period after a recharacterization to then reconvert the money to a Roth IRA. However, that rule was only for recharacterizations of conversions, not contributions. There has never been a waiting period for a recharacterization.
Any gains that occur before the final conversion are, of course, fully taxable at your ordinary income tax rate in the year of the final conversion.
The Income Limit
The first thing to determine is whether this post even applies to you. If your income is below a certain amount, you can just contribute directly to a Roth IRA. That amount depends on several things. First, it is a MODIFIED Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI). That number is very similar to your Adjusted Gross Income (AGI). Remember how tax form 1040 works.
The first income line you come to is line 7b, your “Total Income.” When people think about income, this is generally what they think of. The third income line on the form is line 11b. This is your “Taxable Income.” This is what your tax bill is actually calculated from. It is basically your total income minus all of your deductions. In between those two, on line 8b, is another income, your “Adjusted Gross Income.” This is “the line” that people are talking about when they use the phrases “above-the-line deduction” and “below-the-line deduction.” If it comes out before your AGI is calculated, it is an above-the-line deduction. These are deductions such as self-employment tax, self-employed retirement plans, self-employed health insurance premiums, HSA contributions, student loan interest, alimony, tuition, and any IRA deductions. If it comes out after your AGI is calculated, it is a below-the-line deduction. These are EITHER your standard deduction OR your itemized deductions, like mortgage interest, state/local/property taxes, and charitable contributions. A MAGI is just a slight tweak to your AGI.
Below are the MAGI limits for direct Roth IRA contributions [2021]. If your MAGI is below the first number, you can just contribute to a Roth IRA directly. If your MAGI is over the second number, you cannot contribute at all. If your MAGI is between the two numbers, you can make a partial direct contribution (most shouldn't bother with this, just do it all through the Back Door).
- Married Filing Separately (and lived with spouse for at least part of year): $0-$10,000
- Married Filing Jointly: $198,000-$208,000
- Single or Head of Household: $125,000-$140,000
If you think you'll be anywhere close to that first number, do yourself a favor and just do your Roth IRA contribution indirectly, i.e., through the Back Door (contribute to a traditional IRA and then convert that contribution to a Roth IRA). Since 2010, there has been no income limit on Roth conversions and there has never been an income limit on traditional IRA contributions, just your ability to deduct them.
So how does a MAGI differ from an AGI? It's a very slight difference. Bear in mind that there are other MAGIs out there. We're only talking about the one that affects Roth IRA contributions here. But to get your MAGI, you simply take your AGI, you subtract some income from it and you add back in some other income to it. The worksheet showing you how to do this is Worksheet 2-1 in Publication 590.
Basically, you subtract income from a Roth conversion and you add income from IRA deductions (not sure why you'd have this), student loan interest (if you are using this worksheet, you probably don't have this), tuition deduction (you probably don't have this), a couple of rare deductions for foreign income/deductions (you probably don't have these), some savings bond interest you probably don't have much of, and some employer-provided adoption benefits. As you can see, for most people your MAGI = your AGI since all of these deductions are pretty rare for the folks worried about this limit for direct Roth IRA contributions. So focus on your AGI. That means if you contributed directly to a Roth IRA but late in the year realized you probably should not have, one easy fix is to get your AGI below that limit by contributing to an HSA or a self-employed retirement plan like an individual 401(k) or SEP-IRA. Note that giving a bunch of money to charity is NOT a solution to this problem because that is a below-the-line deduction.
How to Do an IRA Recharacterization
If you can't get your MAGI low enough, you will have to do an IRA Recharacterization. With a recharacterization, as far as the IRS is concerned it is as though you never made the Roth IRA contribution at all, but made a traditional IRA contribution instead. You don't report a recharacterization separately, you just report a traditional IRA contribution. Keep in mind as you read on the internet about recharacterizations that there used to be two types of them—a recharacterization of a Roth IRA CONTRIBUTION and a recharacterization of a Roth IRA CONVERSION. The second type was outlawed in 2018, but the first one, the one we're talking about today, is still perfectly legal. If you decide you want to undo a Roth conversion these days, you're simply out of luck. Here is how you do a recharacterization of a Roth IRA contribution:
- You tell Vanguard (or wherever your IRAs are) to recharacterize the Roth IRA contribution to a Traditional IRA contribution.
Yup. That's it. They take care of the rest. I mean, you can read all about all of the rules in Publication 590 Chapter 1 if you want, but that's basically what they say. Don't believe me? Fine. Here are the IRS instructions:
How Do You Recharacterize a Contribution?
To recharacterize a contribution, you must notify both the trustee of the first IRA (the one to which the contribution was actually made) and the trustee of the second IRA (the one to which the contribution is being moved) that you have elected to treat the contribution as having been made to the second IRA rather than the first. You must make the notifications by the date of the transfer. Only one notification is required if both IRAs are maintained by the same trustee. The notification(s) must include all of the following information:
- The type and amount of the contribution to the first IRA that is to be recharacterized.
- The date on which the contribution was made to the first IRA and the year for which it was made.
- A direction to the trustee of the first IRA to transfer in a trustee-to-trustee transfer the amount of the contribution and any net income (or loss) allocable to the contribution to the trustee of the second IRA.
- The name of the trustee of the first IRA and the name of the trustee of the second IRA.
- Any additional information needed to make the transfer.
In most cases, the net income you must transfer is determined by your IRA trustee or custodian.
See what I mean? It's just a phone call. Any earnings that the account had in between the contribution and the recharacterization just go over with the contribution. No big deal.
You have until your tax filing date to do this. Most of the time, that's April 15th of the next year. However, the IRS is even more lenient than that. You actually can do this for an extra six months after your tax filing date, but you will have to refile your return.
Where Do You Report a Recharacterization?
If you hire somebody else to prepare your taxes, you can skip this section. If you do it yourself, you'll need to make sure you report this correctly. According to Pub 590, you report it on our old friend Form 8606.
Pub 590 says this:
Actually, that's really misleading. If you read Form 8606, you will see that the only time it ever mentions a recharacterization is to tell you NOT to put it on the form.
So what is Pub 590 talking about? They're talking about this section in the 8606 instructions:
Reporting recharacterizations.
Treat any recharacterized IRA contribution as though the amount of the contribution was originally contributed to the second IRA, not the first IRA. For the recharacterization, you must transfer the amount of the original contribution plus any related earnings or less any related loss. In most cases, your IRA trustee or custodian figures the amount of the related earnings you must transfer. If you need to figure the related earnings, see How Do You Recharacterize a Contribution? in chapter 1 of Pub. 590-A. Treat any earnings or loss that occurred in the first IRA as having occurred in the second IRA. You can’t deduct any loss that occurred while the funds were in the first IRA. . .Report the nondeductible traditional IRA portion of the recharacterized contribution, if any, on Form 8606, Part I. Don’t report the Roth IRA contribution (whether or not you recharacterized all or part of it) on Form 8606. Attach a statement to your return explaining the recharacterization. If the recharacterization occurred in 2019, include the amount transferred from the Roth IRA on Form 1040 or 1040-SR, line 4a; or Form 1040-NR, line 16a. If the recharacterization occurred in 2020, report the amount transferred only in the attached statement, and not on your 2019 or 2020 tax return.
The bottom line is that you just report this recharacterized contribution on Form 8606 as if it were the regular old non-deductible traditional IRA contribution that you should have made in the first place. You also need to include a statement. What should your statement look like? I would write something like this:
To whom it may concern:
I made a 2021 Roth IRA contribution of $6,000 on March 13th, 2021, because I didn't know about the whole MAGI limit thing when I made the contribution. After becoming smarter, I recharacterized $6,137.14 (original contribution plus earnings) to a traditional IRA on November 4th, 2021, Thank you for helping our country fund its government. You're the best.
Hugs and kisses from your favorite taxpayer,
James Dahle
Seriously. It doesn't say what has to be on the statement, just that there is one “explaining the recharacterization.” You don't even have to tell them why you did the recharacterization. If you had a loss in the account between contribution and recharacterization, no big deal. It's still as though you made a $6,000 contribution to a traditional IRA and THEN it lost money. If you were able to deduct the contribution (you probably can't) you would get a $6,000 deduction. The IRA provider may also send you a Form 5498 (which has the recharacterized amount on line 4), but you don't actually do anything with it when you file your taxes. It's just an informational return.
Reconverting the IRA
Now here is where it gets interesting. You've now fixed your mistake in the eyes of the IRS, going from an illegal Roth IRA contribution to a legal traditional IRA contribution (that is probably not deductible for you). But you really aren't done with what you meant to do, which is put money into a Roth IRA. You now need to do a Roth conversion. You do it just like you normally would as if you had contributed originally to the traditional IRA. You can do it the very next day if you like. You can probably even do it the same day, just make sure there is a paper trail showing the money was actually in the traditional IRA at some point. There used to be a waiting period after a recharacterization before you could do a Roth conversion on that money, but that waiting period only ever applied to the recharacterization of a Roth CONVERSION (which is no longer allowed starting in 2018) NOT the recharacterization of a Roth CONTRIBUTION. So there is no waiting period. Just reconvert convert it and go on your merry way.
I hope this information helps you fix your mistake. Just do your Roth IRA contributions through the Back Door going forward and you won't have this problem again.
Step 2 Error – Not Investing in a Money Market Fund in the Traditional IRA
What happens if you LOSE money in between the contribution and conversion step? This problem is easily avoided by using an investment like a money market fund that does not go down in value for that time period, but some people fail to do so and end up losing money. When they work their way through their IRS Form 8606, they discover they have basis left over that they can then carry forward indefinitely for years! No big deal, it just makes your paperwork more complicated. Perhaps at some point in the future you'll do a Roth conversion of tax-deferred money and this carry forward basis will reduce the tax on that event.
What if you MADE money in the account between contribution and conversion? This actually happens most of the time, so I wrote an entire post on it called Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA. Technically, any money earned between the contribution and conversion step is fully taxable at ordinary income tax rates in the year of the conversion. If it is less than 50 cents, you just ignore it. More, you report it on your 8606 and pay taxes on it.
If it is still in the traditional IRA, either do another tiny Roth conversion or leave it there until you do next year's Backdoor Roth IRA process, either is fine. If you were smart and just used a money market fund and did the conversion as soon as your IRA provider allowed it (usually less than a week and sometimes as early as the next day), this won't be much money and there won't be much tax due.
Step 3 Error – Forgetting to Do the Conversion
If you forgot to do the conversion step for eight months afterward, it could be a huge gain you're paying taxes unnecessarily on. No way to fix this one, just pay your stupid tax and move on.
Step 4 Error – Forgetting to Invest the Roth IRA Money
Even worse than paying taxes on a huge gain, is not getting the gain in the first place because you left the money sitting in cash for months. No way to fix this one either. Your “stupid tax” this time comes in the form of opportunity cost. Just get the money invested ASAP to stop the cash drag. Maybe you even got lucky and the market went down in between contribution and investment so now you get to buy low.
Step 5 Error – The Pro-Rata Rule
Some of the most common questions I get are from people who make a late contribution to a Backdoor Roth IRA. What do I mean by late? Well, you are allowed to make an IRA contribution AFTER the calendar year ends. In fact, you have until tax day, usually April 15th unless you get an extension of up to six months. While it is to your advantage to contribute to retirement accounts as quickly as possible so that money can start compounding in a tax-protected way, I understand that we all have lots of good things to do with our money and sometimes this gets pushed back into the next calendar year. All it really does is complicate your paperwork a bit.
For example, if you made your 2020 IRA contribution in April 2021, instead of reporting both the contribution and the conversion on your 2020 taxes, you would report only the contribution there. The conversion would be reported on the taxes for the year you did the conversion, i.e., your 2021 tax return due in April 2022. Your 2020 IRS Form 8606 becomes a little simpler and your 2021 IRS Form 8606 becomes a little more complicated. Not a big deal if you can follow the simple instructions.
What confuses people, however, is the pro-rata rule. This is the rule that says you need to empty out your traditional IRA by December 31st of the year you do the conversion. Since these folks have never filled out a Form 8606 (or apparently read the instructions) they assume that for a 2020 contribution they need to have a balance of $0 at the end of 2020, even if they didn't do the conversion step until 2021. That's simply not the case. The pro-rata rule isn't applied until the year of the conversion, i.e., December 31st, 2021.
Emptying the IRAs
So how do you empty out those IRAs? You usually have two choices.
- Do a Roth conversion of the whole thing. This is what I generally recommend for small IRAs where the tax bill on the conversion would not be too onerous. It is quick, easy, and increases the amount of tax-free assets you have.
- Roll the money into a 401(k) or 403(b), either that of your current employer, that of a past employer, or to your own individual 401(k) if you are self-employed. This is usually a better option if you have a large IRA where you would rather deal with the hassle than pay the tax bill during your peak earnings years.
So how large is large and how small is small? Well, it's going to vary by the person and how much disposable cash they have. Most would consider an IRA under $10K to be small and an IRA over $100K to be large. In between, it's a personal decision as to which would be better for you.
What If You Didn't Empty the IRA?
So what if you screwed this one up? Well, your Backdoor Roth IRA conversion step just got pro-rata'd. There is a tax bill associated with that because most of your conversion was of tax-deferred money rather than post-tax money like it was supposed to be.
The fix for this is going to vary by the individual, but the easiest fix is to simply convert the entire IRA to a Roth IRA now, so you end up getting all your post-tax money into that Roth IRA. Another possible fix is to figure out a way to separate your basis in that IRA, roll the tax-deferred money into a 401(k), and then convert the basis left behind in the IRA.
Do yourself a favor and just empty the darn IRA by December 31st. Keep in mind that this is usually not an instantaneous process, so don't put it off until you're on holiday break at the end of the year.
Step 6 Error – Screwing Up the Tax Forms
Both individual taxpayers and professional tax preparers screw up IRS Form 8606 all the time. In fact, some of them haven't even heard of a Backdoor Roth IRA. (Incidentally, this is one of the best questions to ask while interviewing a potential tax professional—”How many backdoor Roth IRAs did you help last year?”)
The usual fix to this error is to file a 1040X (Amended Tax Return) and a new Form 8606. You can do this for the last three years if necessary. If you didn't file Form 8606 at all, you'll definitely want to do this. The key is to check lines 15c and 18 on Form 8606. They should both be a number very close to zero if the form is being completed correctly.
The tax preparer should NOT be filing Form 5439. If you did Steps 1-5 right, this form probably doesn't belong in your tax return.
A lot of people wonder about the 1099-R sent to them by their IRA provider and worry that it was done wrong and that it will cause them to pay tax they shouldn't have to pay. Sometimes the form was filled out wrong, but mostly this is just a lot of anxiety. What gets people anxious is finding something on Line 2a “Taxable amount.” As long as the box on Line 2b is also checked “Taxable amount not determined,” you're golden. Don't worry about it. If it is not, have the IRA provider send you a new, correct form, either with $0 in 2a or the box in 2b checked (usually the latter). Here's what mine looks like every year from Vanguard:
Note that Box 2b is checked, even though they are reporting a taxable amount of $5,500.07 to the IRS [$6,000.07 in 2021].
Again, if you're not sure how to enter this into Turbotax, check out my Turbotax tutorial.
Still Confused About the Backdoor Roth?
Need more help with a Backdoor Roth IRA? I wish Congress would just lift the rule against direct Roth IRA contributions for high earners and save us all this hassle, but who knows if that will ever happen.
- If you did your contribution after the end of the year, check out Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA.
- Here's a step-by-step tutorial for doing a Backdoor Roth IRA at Vanguard.
- Here's a step-by-step tutorial for doing a Backdoor Roth IRA at Fidelity.
- Here is a step-by-step tutorial reporting the Backdoor Roth IRA in Turbotax.
- Here is my prior post on 17 Ways to Screw Up Your Backdoor Roth IRA.
- You can hire a professional to help you, either a good financial advisor or a good tax strategist can assist.
- You can also ask your peers for help on the WCI Forum, the Private WCI Facebook Group, and the WCI Subreddit.
Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA
While it is “cleaner” to make your contribution and your conversion all in the same calendar tax year, you can make your contribution up until your tax filing date of the next year. Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA has more details about doing this but hasn't been updated in a while, so let's do it now. The key to filling out the 8606 correctly when you make a contribution after the calendar year is to recognize that the contribution step is reported for the tax year and the conversion step is reported for the calendar year. So imagine you did the following during the calendar year 2021:
- Made a 2020 IRA contribution (reported on 2020 8606)
- Did a Roth conversion of that contribution (reported on 2021 8606)
- Made a 2021 IRA contribution (reported on 2021 8606)
- Did a Roth conversion of that contribution (reported on 2021 8606)
Your forms would look like this:
2020 Form 8606 (Only Have to Fill Out Part I)
Note that all this serves to do is report basis for the next year. No tax is due. Since no conversion step was done during the calendar year 2020, you only have to fill out lines 1-3 and 14.
2021 Form 8606 (Must Fill Out Parts I and II)
Notice a couple of things here. First, you've got to do all of Part I plus Part II for this year because you did the conversion step, unlike last year (2020). Second, don't get confused by the fact that this form above says “2020” and line 4 asks about 2021. This is the 2020 form but you will actually be filling out the 2021 form. The 2021 form isn't published yet by the IRS so I had to use the 2020 form for this demonstration. So add one year to anything you see here. Let's go through this line by line.

Your Roth IRA contributions will need to go through the “backdoor” many times as you build your portfolio.
Form 8606 – Part I
- Line 1 – That's the money you contributed for 2021.
- Line 2 – This is your basis. Since you made a contribution for 2020 but didn't do a conversion during 2020, your basis is $6,000.
- Line 3 – $6,000 + $6,000 = $12,000
- Line 4 – Remember this is asking about 2022, not 2021 and since you won't make the mistake of doing your contribution late again, this will be zero.
- Line 5 – $12,000 – $0 = $12,000
- Line 6 – This is the line that triggers the pro-rata issue. Even though you made a 2020 contribution, you did so AFTER December 31st, so this line would still be zero if you filled it out for 2020, which you didn't because you didn't do a conversion in 2020 and got to skip lines 4-13. But this is the 2021 form and since you converted your entire traditional IRA, this will be $0.
- Line 7 – This doesn't include conversions. Since you didn't take any money out of your traditional IRA this year except the conversion, this is $0
- Line 8 – You converted a total of $12,000 this year to a Roth IRA, so $12,000.
- Line 9 – $0 + $0 + $12,000 = $12,000
- Line 10 – $12,000/$12,000 = 1
- Line 11 – $12,000 * 1 = $12,000
- Line 12 – $0 * 1 = $0
- Line 13 – $12,000 + $0 = $12,000
- Line 14 – $12,000 – $12,000 = $0 Note that when you do this form for 2022, line 2 will be $0. (Line 14 on 2021 form = Line 2 of 2022 form.)
- Line 15a – $0 – $0 = $0
- Line 15b – You didn't take money out of an IRA to help you survive a disaster, so $0.
- Line 15c – $0 – $0 = $0
Part II
- Line 16 – Line 8 is $12,000 so $12,000
- Line 17 – Line 11 is $12,000 so $12,000
- Line 18 – $12,000 – $12,000 = $0
Backdoor Roth IRA FAQs
Can I still do a Backdoor Roth IRA for last year?
You have until tax day (generally April 15th, but as late as October 15th if you file an extension) of the following year to make your traditional IRA contribution. There is no deadline for the Roth conversion step; it can be done at anytime. Make sure you fill out the paperwork properly according to the section above about late contributions.
Can I do last year's IRA contribution and this year's IRA contribution at the same time and convert them at the same time?
Yes. Just remember to report last year's contribution on last year's Form 8606 and this year's contribution and the conversion on this year's Form 8606.
Does my 401(k), 403(b), 457(b), Roth IRA, or inherited IRA count toward the pro-rata calculation?
No. Only traditional IRAs, rollover IRAs, SEP-IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs count. See line 6 of Form 8606 for details.
What if it is a separate IRA? Does it still count?
Yes. All IRAs count toward the pro-rata calculation.
What should I do with my rollover or traditional IRA to avoid pro-ration?
If it is small, convert it to a Roth IRA along with this year's traditional IRA contribution and pay the tax due on it. If large, try to roll it into your employer's 401(k) or if you have self-employment income, into your individual 401(k).
I got pro-rated. What now?
The easiest solution is to convert the entire IRA, SEP-IRA, or SIMPLE IRA that caused the pro-ration and is now composed of both pre-tax and after-tax money. That is also the most expensive solution. A harder solution that may save you some taxes involves isolating the basis in that IRA by rolling the rest of the account into a 401(k) and then convert just the basis to a Roth IRA.
I am leaving my employer. Should I roll my 401(k) or 403(b) into a traditional IRA? If not, what should I do with it?
If you put it into a traditional IRA it is going to cause any future Backdoor Roths to be pro-rated. Better options include leaving it where it is, rolling it into your new employer's 401(k) or 403(b), rolling it into your individual 401(k), or if it is small, just converting the whole thing to a Roth IRA.
How much can I contribute to a Roth IRA via the Backdoor Roth IRA process?
In 2021, you are allowed to contribute $6,000 ($7,000 if 50+) per year for you and $6,000 ($7,000 if 50+) for your spouse. This includes all contributions to traditional and Roth IRAs. Rollovers/transfers do not count toward the annual contribution limit.
What should I invest the money into?
While in the traditional IRA for a day or two, leave it in cash. Once it is in the Roth IRA, invest it according to your written investing plan. If you don't have one, get one, but in the meantime it would be a good idea to put it into a lifecycle fund such as a Vanguard Target Retirement Fund.
Can I use the same traditional and Roth IRA each year or do I need new ones?
You can use the same ones each year.
The Backdoor Roth IRA process leads to more tax-free retirement account money for doctors and other high-income professionals. If you follow the simple steps outlined above, you will pay less in taxes, boost your returns, facilitate your estate planning, and increase your asset protection. Most members of The White Coat Investor community do these every year and you should too.
What do you think? Are you doing Backdoor Roth IRAs? Why or why not? Any questions about it? Comment below!
[This updated post was originally published in 2014.]
can you possibly explain the 9th pair? Do you open a new Trad and Roth each year? Are you not able to fund a traditional each year and move to an existing Roth?
I’m not sure what you’re asking, but I have one traditional IRA and one Roth IRA. The traditional IRA only ever has money in it the first week of January.
Resident here trying to do a Backdoor Roth because my wife and I are planning to file taxes “married filing separately” so that her income doesn’t make my monthly student loan payments too high. I recently became aware that the limits on income for contributing to a Roth IRA is $10k if you are married and filing separately, so neither of us would be able to contribute. Thus it seems that I need to do a Backdoor Roth in order to contribute. First, am I missing something here? Any advice about a better way to navigate this?
The problem is, I have been contributing monthly to Roth for years, so all of my contributions for 2020 where put into Roth IRA. So in order to do married filing separately for 2020, I think I may need to somehow back out contributions from 2020 Roth, put into traditional IRA, and then do Backdoor Roth conversion. Would truly appreciate any guidance!
I’m obviously trying to do this conversion for last year 2020 (it is now 2021) prior to filing 2020 taxes. In the future, when you say you contribute on Jan 2 each year and then convert immediately, do you mean that you would do that Jan 2 of 2021, then that would be your contributions for 2021, or are you doing it on Jan 2 for the year prior (2020) prior to filing 2020 taxes? If I know I will need to do a Backdoor Roth conversion but want to contribute monthly rather than all at once, do you recommend funding a traditional IRA all year, then converting it just prior to the end of the year? Thanks!!!
No, you’re not missing anything. MFS = BD Roth.
Yes, you’ll need to do a recharacterization for 2020.
I did my 2021 contribution in January 2021.
Your website and tutorials have been a tremendous help! Thank you for your time and effort into this.
I was one of your scenarios….I just realized that my Modified Adjusted Gross Income was too high for a direct Roth IRA contribution but I made a full $6,000 contribution into a Roth IRA in 08/2020. I have already filed my 2020 taxes and already made a full contribution toward my 2021 Roth as well.
I recharacterized my 2020 rIRA to a tIRA this week. The final amount was $7,005.19. Once the account was live, I immediately filed for the Roth conversion. That is still pending. I plan on doing the same process with the 2021 Roth IRA once this all pans out.
My question is regarding the 2020 8606 form, do I list the original $6,000 as the contribution amount? If so, at what point do I list the $1,005 gains?
This is my first time doing this and hopefully my last, just want to make sure I am doing it correctly. Thanks!
Yes, $6,000.
The $1,005 will be part of the conversion you report on your 2021 taxes. Yes, you’ll owe taxes on it.
Thank you! Thank you!!!
To confirm what I am thinking, for my 2021 8606 form->
Line 1 $6,000 (2021 contribution)
Line 2 $6,000 ( bases from 2020)
Line 8 “Enter the net amount you converted from traditional, SEP, and SIMPLE IRAs to
Roth IRAs in 2021” ….this would be the $7,005.19 plus the 2021 conversation I will be doing for my 2021 Roth mistake as well?
The rest of the form as per instructions.
Yup.
Newbie here and first time contributing to backdoor roth after listening to your podcasts and watching youtube videos.
On March 2021, I contributed 6000 to IRA for year 2020 and 6000 to 2021. Converted to Roth IRA few days later in the same amount. I am trying to fill the form 8606 for 2020 and getting a bit lost. I saw the form that you filled as example on your website. What will be the major changes from the one that you showed?
Thanks for your help and education.
See this post:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/late-contributions-to-the-backdoor-roth-ira/
when filing tax form 1099-R for a backdoor roth turbotax asks what the payer’s federal Identification number is. Since I am the payer and the recipient i enter my social security number, but this causes an error.
Can you clarify:
1)in addition to filling out form 8606 we must also fill out form 1099-R (for the conversion of the traditional to roth ira)
2) what is the payer’s federal identification number if i do not have an LLC or corporation and only have a social?
thanks
1. You don’t fill out 1099-R, no. Your IRA custodian may send you one though.
2. I think Vanguard (or whoever) puts their information on there.
Hello! I received a 1099R from my traditional IRA (for 6K) even though I followed these steps of quickly transfering my funds from the traditional IRA to my ROTH IRA. My accountant is saying that since I have a 1099R I need to pay taxes on it but I thought the whole purpose of doing this was not to pay taxes again on the 6K?
Thanks!
Hello! I received a 1099R from my traditional IRA (for 6K) even though I followed these steps of quickly transfering my funds from the traditional IRA to my ROTH IRA. My accountant is saying that since I have a 1099R I need to pay taxes on it but I thought the whole purpose of doing this was not to pay taxes again on the 6K? He put the 6K under line 4b on my 1040 which is adding to my taxable income.
Sorry for repeating the comment but I missed the last part!
Thanks!
Sounds like your accountant is preparing your taxes wrong, unless you got a $6K deduction for the IRA contribution. Then of course you’d pay taxes on the $6K conversion.
Not sure what your accountant means, but you should only pay taxes on that $6K once (when you earned it).
I had a similar situation as RCB above.
My situation, like others, I overcontributed to a Roth IRA. Recharacterized it to a traditional IRA. Now looking to do a backdoor with it. Schwab calculated the breakdown below for recharacterization.
2020: $6K contribution, earnings ~$1.3K. Total $7.3K
2021: $6K contribution, loss ~$500. Total $5.5K.
I recharacterized everything a few weeks ago to the traditional IRA. At that time, the conversion account value is at $12.8K. This is with cash and stocks. Today, the value has appreciate again so total value is $13K.
Anyways…for 2020 taxes:
For the backdoor portion, I think I move the $7.3K back to the roth IRA. Regarding the forms I need to do for amending, through turbotax, all examples I see online just show $6K as contributions. Is this still $6K in contributions? I’m not completely sure how to fill out the 8606 in my situation. Per above, I think the $1.3K just shows up for taxes on my 2021 right?
For 2021 actions:
Should I just move everything together now to the roth? So the entire $13K gets moved back to roth IRA? Or is it beneficial for me to split these actions up (wait a few weeks before I do my 2021 backdoor).
Thanks.
Yes the contribution is still $6K. The conversion is $7.3K. So you’ll owe tax on $1300 of additional income.
Yes, convert it all. No reason to split it up.
Hey WCI,
I did my backdoor Roth recently in March for tax year 2020. I’ve done this a few times in the past without any issues and am familiar with the logistics of it but I’m wondering if I did mine incorrectly this year.
– I contributed $6,000 into my trad IRA acct in Vanguard that had $0 in it on 3/26/2021.
– I then selected tax year 2020 for the contribution. I made sure the $6000 was in the Vanguard money market fund.
– On 3/29/2021 I selected the “convert to Roth IRA” link. Then I purchased some VSIAX with it.
The question is this:
When I look at my retirement summary on Vanguard, it has the contribution I made into the trad IRA on 3/26/21 under the section “Tax year 2020 contribution details” which is correct.
But the Roth conversion is listed under “Tax year 2021 contribution details” section.
I can only go back one more year in Vanguard and it looks like that’s how it was done for 2019. I emailed Vanguard and even spoke to a rep but they were not helpful.
Is this correct? Is the non-deductible contribution made for the previous year always reported as the conversion in the next tax year? Can someone tell me why that is the case? I feel like I’m missing some simple point that will make me slap my head. Thanks.
JPM
Not sure why a conversion is listed under “contribution details” (sounds like a Vanguard thing) but the conversion will be reported on your 2021 taxes since you did it in 2021, so maybe that’s why.
Contributions are reported on the 8606 for the tax year they are done FOR, conversions are reported on the 8606 for the calendar year they are done IN.
Hi James, Thank you very much for the tutorial.
In 2019, I contributed $6k to traditional on 12/31/19 (for the 2019 year) and until it “settled,” I was only able to convert to Roth on 1/2/20.
I got smart in 2020 and did my 2020 contributions/conversions before December, so I was able to contribute and covert in one 2020 month.
I understand most of 8606 except for line 6 for my situation.
Unfortunately, I was “stuck” with $6 in my traditional IRA on 12/31/2019 before I was able to convert it on 1/2/2020.
I have it listed as “0” now. If I do need to write in $6k, does that just change my line 9 (add line 6,7,8), line 10, 11, 12, 13…etc?
Other question is, does it have any tax implications?
Thank you
Just fill the forms as they say and it’ll work out fine. You’ll have something on line six for 2019 but since you didn’t do a conversion, you won’t be pro-rated. You won’t have anything on line 6 for 2020, the year you did the conversion, so you won’t be pro-rated there either. It’ll all work out fine.
Remember the conversion of those dollars you contributed for 2019 was done in 2020 and gets reported on the 2020 8606, not the 2019 8606.
So I contributed $5,999.98 to my nondeductible, traditional IRA, and when I made the conversion, I had a loss of $62.54 (lesson learned) so I ended up converting to my roth IRA just $5,937.44 which was the balance. So now when I complete Form 8606, on line 14, where it says subtract line 13 (nontaxable portion of my distribution which is $5,937.44) by line 3 ($5,999.98 which is the sum of contribution and total basis in the traditional ira as end of year $0), I get $62.54 delineated as a basis and not as the actual loss that it was. So now that goes into line 2 for next years Form 8606 or $0 which is my actual basis? Do I have to keep carrying forward this false basis on future 8606’s? How do I fix this? Grrr.
Thanks! -Rochelle
Yes, you’ll be carrying that forward unless you let money sit in the traditional IRA and gain $62 to use the loss up.
Thank you for your response.
It doesn’t make sense that I would have a basis of $62 that was an actual loss, especially when line 5 or 6 or something number close on the 8606 asks what was my value (basis) at the end of the year and I have it 0. Is it seriously a mess up of the form questions?
I’m sorry it doesn’t make sense. I know it’s confusing and is the reason I tell people to leave the money in cash until after the conversion. It basically functions like basis although it’s technically something different (a loss).
In other words Jim, the basis is not showing up as a loss (-62.54) but a positive (62.54) on the 8606 so how would a gain offset this? Argh. Thanks for your help! It’s much appreciated.
You can have a $62.54 gain between contribution and conversion next year and not have to pay taxes on it.
Lastly, can’t I just put on line 1 the contribution minus the loss? It was “returned” to me so I figure this may be a solution? The 8606 instructions for line 2 say do not include any contributions that were returned with earnings or less any loss. But my contribution was never “returned”, so I figure I could include the loss?
Thanks!
No, that would not be the correct way to report this. The contribution is what the contribution was. I know you want to clean this up ASAP, but there’s no easy way to clean it up. You just carry it forward indefinitely. The only way to get rid of it is to have a gain between contribution and conversion some year.
Please ignore the last 3 comments. I did some research into previous poster’s questions about this with outside links you provided. So to fix this, I should let there be a gain of my loss to offset the basis (which would be hard to do I imagine, try to get a gain to that precise amount). So on my next contribution and conversion, instead of contributing $6k to MMF and then doing to conversion, I should contribute something neat $5,940, try to capture a gain near that amount so I can convert and get it to the IRA contribution limit of $6k? So then, if my gain of about $60 isn’t taxed because I used my unused basis on it from 2020, I no longer have to include a basis on the 2022’s 8606? Theoretically, this should work?
On the other hand, this mess would seem to be an easy fix if I just put the amount I contributed minus the loss for 2020 on line 1 so it matches up with my actual conversion and there is no leftover loss basis.
Too late, already responded to them.
If you really want to get rid of this, contribute $6K, invest it in something. When it goes up $100 or so, convert it and pay taxes on the gain minus $62.54.
Hi again,
Thanks so much for your answers to my questions. I really appreciate the help.
Okay, I can do the gain and pay taxes on approx. $100 less the 62.54 basis, but, am I allowed to convert more than $6k to the roth since that’s the “limit”?
Again, thanks for your help. That was a lot of questions on my part!
The limit is for contributions, not conversions. You can convert $100 million+ a year if you want.
Ok…but if I made, say, a nondeductible $10k to my tIRA instead of $6k and converted the $10k immediately, I would still have to pay tax on the portion above $6k ($4k) even though that was my own contribution and not a gain, correct? If yes, is this because the nondeductible limit allowed for a tIRA contribution is $6k? Thanks again.
Apologies, disregard my last comment. Forgot the part where you mentioned there is a limit on contributions, just not conversions. Thanks!
Also, if I decided to just do a clean $6k contribution and conversion going forward, carrying over my basis I definitely until I stop contributing/converting, is there a consequence for never using the basis? That’s the ultimate question I guess. I can’t imagine there would be a consequence if I just decided to leave a basis/no deductible loss out in the IRS ethers.
No. You could do that.
Hey WCI,
Could you please help me with my situation? I want to do a Backdoor Roth but I have pre tax money on trad IRA.
1) All money on my trad IRA is pre tax.
2) I want to open Solo 401(k) and send all pre tax money from trad IRA to Solo 401(k).
3) When balance on trad IRA will be zero I am going to add after tax money to my trad IRA up to yearly limit.
4) I am converting all after tax money from trad IRA to roth IRA.
5) To the end of the year I will have trad IRA with zero dollars, Solo 401(k) with after tax money and roth IRA with after tax money
Will pro rata rule be avoided?
Yes, no pro-rata if no money in the IRA.
I think you meant to say your solo 401k has pre-tax money too, but even if you convert that money to a Roth 401k, there’s still no pro-rata.
Jim,
I have just started a solo401k as I am an anesthesiologist working as a 1099. I have used a SEP IRA in previous years. I would like to know whether I can roll over my Roth 401(k) into a Roth IRA in the future? I have several IRA accounts which were rollovers from previous employers and I am reluctant to roll over all these into my solo 401k.
Are there any tax consequences when you roll over a Roth 401kinto a Roth IRA if you already have traditional IRA’s and rollover IRA’s. I am concerned that there is a tax trap waiting for me. If your answer is yes, then shouldn’t everybody roll over their Roth 401k into a Roth IRA every year due to the minimum distribution and inheritance advantages?
Thank you for everything that you do for physicians and their financial well-being. If it had not been for the white coat investor I would never have opened an individual 401(k).
Yes.
No.
Most 401(k)s don’t allow in-service withdrawals, so you can’t transfer money from your Roth 401k to your Roth IRA until you separate from the employer.
You know all those rollover IRAs cause any backdoor Roth IRA you do to be pro-rated, right?
Hi.
I have tIRA where $9k is before tax money and $1k is after-tax money. Do I have to pay taxes if I transfer $10k from tIRA to Roth IRA and on December 31 I will have tIRA with zero balance? It looks like the pro-rata rule will not work in this case because it should be calculated on Dec 31 where the balance of tIRA is zero for me. On the other hand, from $10k there was $9k which was before tax money. So do I need to pay taxes anyway?
You’ll owe tax on $9K of income.
I am late to the Backdoor Roth IRA. I have 20K in a SEP-IRA and about 110K in a traditional IRA(about 60K in post-tax contributions and about 50K in taxable gains).
I am planning on opening an i401(k) at Vanguard and rolling over the SEP-IRA. I would like to also roll-over the taxable portion on the traditional IRA (the 50K) into the i401(k) and then do the backdoor Roth rollover with the post-tax 60K contributions. Is that allowable? Can I designate that the money I am sending into the i401(k) is the taxable portion of the traditional IRA and the money that I am using for the backdoor Roth is the post-tax contributions? If so, how does that change form 8606?
Thank you,
Yes, you can do that with most 401(k)s. It’s called “isolating the basis,” then you can convert the basis to Roth tax-free. The conversion is reported on form 8606. The rollover is not. Your line 6 will be zero once it is all complete. Start early in the year, this will take longer than you think to accomplish all the steps.
Just got off the phone with Vanguard trying to rollover the SEP-IRA and the isolated basis in my traditional IRA into my new i401(k). I was told that is not possible. Does anyone have a contact at Vanguard that might be more knowledgeable in the recent Vanguard i401(k) rollover rule changes?
Thank you,
No name I can give you, but I would call 2 or 3 times and make sure I was given the same answer each time! They are supposed to do IRA rollovers, but not sure if they can handle the basis isolation you’re hoping to do.
Just got off the phone with Vanguard trying to rollover my SEP-IRA and the isolated basis of my traditional IRA into my new i401(k). The Vanguard rep told me this was not possible. Does anyone have the name of a Vanguard rep that is more up-to-date on the recent Vanguard changes related to allowing IRA rollovers into i401(k)s?
Thank you,
I’ve been doing backdoor Roth IRAs at Vanguard for several years. I already did a backdoor Roth for 2021 in January. I have a pension from a company I used to work for which is at Fidelity. The cash balance is $15,100. I’d like to get the $15,100 cash balance into a Roth this year and just pay the taxes. What’s the best way to do that and can that be done with Vanguard? How do I report that on my taxes and on form 8606 next year? Thanks.
Sure, just roll it into the Roth IRA. Worst case scenario you have to get there through a traditional IRA, but I doubt they’ll require that. Start by contacting Vanguard, but have the contact info for the pension.
If you don’t go through a traditional IRA, this doesn’t show up on the 8606 at all.
The pension should send you a 1099R and I think you’ll have an extra $15,100 in income on Form 1040 Line 4b once you enter it into your tax software.
That makes sense. Thanks for the quick reply.
So, Fidelity would only roll the pension of $15,181.91 into my traditional IRA at Vanguard (not the Roth). I then converted the $15,181.91 to my Roth IRA. Fidelity sent me a 1099-R with with $0 as taxable amount in 2a. Vanguard sent me a 1099-R with $21,182.38 (15,181.91 plus $6000 from backdoor Roth plus $0.49 interest ) in block 1 and 2a and 2b is checked as taxable amount not determined. How do fill out form 8606 and work it out to where I’m only paying tax on the $15,181.91 and not the $6,000 backdoor Roth? Thanks, Mark
Vanguard didn’t determine the taxable amount. That’s what they told you and the IRS. So you have to determine the taxable amount. The taxable amount is $15,182. That’s what you want to end up with on lines 15c and 18. Work backward from there!
1. 6000
2. 0 (right?)
3. 6000
4. 0 (right?)
5. 6000
6. 0 (right?)
7. 0
8. 21182
9. 21182
10. Do the math
11. 6000
12. 0
13. 6000
14. 0
15c. 15182
16 21182
17. 6000
18 15182
How’s that look? Seems right to me but you didn’t tell me everything I need to know to fill out this form so you better double check.
That’s exactly it. Thanks so much. Mark
Hello Jim,
Is a back door roth contribution supposed to generate a 1099-R?
Vanguard sent me a 1099-R
I completed the 8606. Also tried to enter the 1099R but TurboTax is treating it as untaxed income.
Thanks for you input in advance.
Yes, Vanguard sends those out. Look for Box 2b to be checked showing they didn’t determine how much is taxable. Follow The Finance Buff’s turbotax tutorial:
https://thefinancebuff.com/how-to-report-backdoor-roth-in-turbotax.html
Thank you. I was able to compete it following the instructions on the tutorial. Entering the 1099R was more of a pain than the 8606. Thank you for your videos and screenshots on how to do the 8606 as well!!
This is crazy helpful! I’ve asked a few finance friends about this conversion & a newly retired CPA & they are like DO IT but didn’t have the right information nor do they know the tax implications.
Background… as per of my divorce…
I live super frugal, ex doesn’t. He had half of his portion of cash into his home. As a result I got all of our retirement accounts. One is a traditional IRA that I would like to convert to a Roth. The catch… it is worth $330k. Is there any smart way to go about converting this? According to my tax return, I made $0 this past year & probably will be little to nothing the next few years. Can I do smaller conversions over the next 5 years and just suck it up & pay the taxes (which I’m able to do) or does it all have to be converted at once?
I live super frugal now but expect to earn about $200k a year in retirement about 20 years from now), hence the need to have that large tax-free account in retirement.
Thank you for your insight!
You scored on that deal IMHO, other than the fact that a traditional IRA isn’t all yours, part of it belongs to the government. But in general, a house is a liability and retirement accounts are assets.
If you’re making no money then you should be doing Roth conversions at a minimum up to the top of 12% bracket IMHO. At least $50K a year. Seems like a no brainer in your situation.
Hi Jim,
Thanks for what you do. I apologize if this is a duplicate question. Which part of Form 8606 do you file the Roth Conversion? I converted $26,960 from Trad.IRA to Roth IRA 12/2020. Is there anywhere on your website that shows how to do it?
I think my CPA incorrectly file my 8606 form but I am not sure about it. I would like to do a comparison. Thanks.
You fill out Part II. The taxable amount of the conversion (8606 Line 18) goes on Form 1040 Line 4b.
Question about IRS Form 8606, backdoor Roth contributions, total basis:
In tax year 2015 I began making back door Roth contributions/conversions. My system is to contribute “late” (e.g. contribute $7,000 in March 2021 for tax year 2020) and then immediately convert. Every year it is confusing and I’d like to correct that for tax year 2021. But before I can solve that problem, first my question is about line 2 of form 8606: “total basis.” Turbotax “keeps track” of my total basis from prior years, and it spits out a number on line 2 of form 8606 that I don’t understand. What should my line 2 represent? Always zero? Does making a “late contribution” mean it’s not zero? What should it be, a sum of what numbers? I tried the IRS form 8606 instructions, but it tells me to refer back to prior year 8606 forms. I may have done them incorrectly all along, so I need to understand what line 2 should represent in my case. I’m looking at my form 8606 for tax year 2020 now and line 2 says $12,499. I contributed $7,000 for tax years 2019 and 2020, $6,500 for tax year 2018, and $5,500 for prior years. All were “late contributions” and immediate Roth conversions.
Yes, when you do it late, the next year’s line 2 is $6,000 (or $7,000 or $5,500 or whatever it was).
does the total basis keep accumulating year to year, or is my line 2 always just the sum of this year and last years contributions?
It’s not a sum, it’s just last year’s contribution that happened to be done during this calendar year.
It’s all a whole lot more straightforward if you would just do 2021 contributions in 2021 and convert them the next day. I get why people have to do a complicated 8606 once, but it’s beyond me why anyone would keep doing it year after year.
The main thing is to make sure you’re not getting taxed unnecessarily though. As long as your line 18 doesn’t show something like $6K, you’re good.
Is there any penalty for converting twice in one year though? Because I just did the back door for the first time earlier this month. I designated it as a 2020 contribution but of course will be a 2021 conversion. So if I contribute this December for 2021 and then convert the next day it would be two conversions in one calendar year. Would it be better if I wait until AFTER the new year to do the next two-step?
Sure, you can do as many conversions a year as you want. I’d do my 2021 contribution right now if you have the money. Then convert it the next day
I tried the back door this year for the 1st time. I contributed earlier this month in April& converted within a few days. So thus counted as a 2020 contribution with a 2021 conversion. I’m not sure if I should convert twice in one year …. so would it be better to contribute this again December and convert agaun shortly after? Or wait until after the new year? Is one way more simple?
Sure, you can do as many conversions a year as you want. I’d do my 2021 contribution right now if you have the money. Then convert it the next day
thank you for your quick reply. would it be ok if i asked a follow up question? turbotax shows my line 2, form 8606 for tax year 2020 as $12,499. is this correct given my below contribution history? should line 2 be the total sum of all contributions, or just this year’s plus last year’s? or just last year’s? i am confused about the concept of what is supposed to go in line 2. ideally is it zero each year, or does it accumulate?
*tax year 2020: $7,000 to traditional IRA in march 2021, convert to roth in march 2021.
*tax year 2019: $7,000 to traditional IRA in march 2020, convert to roth in march 2020.
*tax year 2018: $6,500 to traditional IRA in march 2019, convert to roth in march 2019.
*tax year 2017: $5,500 to traditional IRA in march 2018, convert to roth in march 2018
etc.
No, I think it is just the prior year’s contribution. It’s not a “formula”.
Here are the instructions: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/i8606–2020.pdf
Line 2
Generally, if this is the first year you are
required to file Form 8606, enter -0-.
Otherwise, use the Total Basis Chart to
find the amount to enter on line 2.
However, you may need to enter an
amount that is more than -0- (even if this
is the first year you are required to file
Form 8606) or increase or decrease the
amount from the chart if your basis
changed because of any of the
following.
• You had a return of excess traditional
IRA contributions (see Return of Excess
Traditional IRA Contributions, earlier).
• Incident to divorce, you transferred or
received part or all of a traditional, SEP,
or SIMPLE IRA (see the last bulleted
item under Line 7, later).
• You rolled over any nontaxable
portion of your qualified retirement plan
to a traditional, SEP, or SIMPLE IRA
that wasn’t previously reported on Form
8606, line 2. Include the nontaxable
portion on line 2.
This isn’t the first year you did form 8606, so you can’t just put $0. You need to go to the Total Basis Chart. That’s on Page 8.
Total Basis Chart
IF the last Form 8606 you filed was
for . . .
THEN enter on line 2 . . .
A year after 2000 and before 2020 The amount from line 14 of that Form 8606
A year after 1992 and before 2001 The amount from line 12 of that Form 8606
A year after 1988 and before 1993 The amount from line 14 of that Form 8606
1988 The total of the amounts on lines 7 and 16
of that Form 8606
1987 The total of the amounts on lines 4 and 13
of that Form 8606
Since you did Form 8606 for 2019, you put the total of line 14 on your 2019 8606 there. So let’s go back to the beginning, your 2017 8606. What does it look like? It looks like this:
1. $5500
2. $0
3. $5500
14. $5500
So now you go to 2018.
1. $6500
2. $5500
3. $12,000
4. $6500
5. $5500
6. 0
7. 0
8. $5500
9. 5500
10. 1.
11. 5500
12. 0
13. 5500
14. 6500
15a. 0
15b. 0
15c. 0
16. 5500
17. 5500
18. 0
Does that make sense?
Okay, now 2019 and 2020 are going to look similar, except line 2 is going to be $6500 and $7000 and line 14 is going to be $7000 and $7000.
You just have to follow the instructions and they’ll usually walk you right through it.
If you’ve screwed up any of these 8606s, file a 1040X with an 8606 for that year.
got it now. thank you so much!
thank you. i’m still a little confused. what is the formula for line 2?
Thank you so much for this info. My computer froze at the captcha screen multiple times, and then ended up sending multiple replies at once, so that’s why it looks like I keep asking for the formula for line 2. After your detailed explanation, I get it now. No longer confused. Thank you so much!
Thank you for providing step by step detail for late contribution too. Immensely helpful. I missed the backdoor IRA for the last 9 years of my working life. Better late than never
My wife and I have been filing separately to keep her student loan payment low, we do not have a high enough income to preclude Roth contributions except that married filing separately means the income limit is $10k for some reason. Anticipating that we would file separately again I did backdoor Roth conversions in January 2020 and 2021. We have now decided to file jointly for 2020, so we could’ve just contributed to the Roth IRA directly. I assume the answer is yes, but do we still need to file 8606’s for these years now that we no longer “needed” to do a backdoor contribution. Thanks for the excellent guide!
Yes, still file them. No big deal.
Hi WCI,
Love your blog – thank you for what you do! I did a late Backdoor Roth Ira contribution this year for 2020 and also contributed for 2021 already. My employer recently allowed the mega backdoor Roth. I have about 20k in after tax contributions currently in my 401k and about 10k in earnings. My questions for you is – if I roll over the after tax contributions to my Roth IRA and the earnings on the after tax contributions to my traditional IRA, and then roll back over the earnings from the traditional IRA back to the 401k, will this interfere with how I’d report my backdoor Roth IRA on the 2021 8606 form?
I suppose the other, more simpler, option would be to just roll over all 30k over to my Roth IRA, but I’m in a high tax bracket now and would prefer to avoid paying taxes on the 10k of earnings if possible. What are your thoughts?
Thank you again for what you do, you work has had a major impact on my financial future.
Best,
Ryan
No, as long as there is no money in that traditional IRA on Dec 31st. I did that when I left the military.
Make sure your 401k allows you to do what you’re hoping to do, most don’t.
Thank you! I confirmed with my plan administrator this afternoon that I am allowed to this (fortunately).
Greatly appreciate your response! I was contemplating speaking with a tax advisor & you saved me lots of time (and some $$$). Thank you for what you do – you help young professionals like me plan for a bright future!
Thank you! I confirmed with my plan administrator this afternoon that I am allowed to do this, fortunately.
I greatly appreciate your response! I was considering speaking with a tax advisor and this saved me lots of time (and some $$$). You really help young professionals like like me plan for a great future. I aspire to do something similar when I leave the corporate world!
This is my first year having a “clean” 8606. I am using Credit Karma and my form looks exactly like your example except for one thing: all the 0’s are blanks (lines 2, 4, 6, 7, 12, 14, 15abc and 18). I know part 3 is supposed to be all blank so I’m not concerned about that section. Looking back at last year’s form where I reported the late contributions, lines 4, 6, 7, 12, 14, and 15abc were also blank but all of the numbers are correct (I had an extra $1 in gains in my account so my line 18 was 1). Maybe it’s just how Credit Karma’s software works but I just wanted to double check here if a 0 versus a blank makes a difference. (I already emailed Credit Karma but I’m not holding my breath).
(Sorry if this posted twice but I didn’t see the post after I submitted)
Blank is fine. It means the same as $0.
Thank you very much for the detail information on the form 8606 and example. If in 2021 I contribute $6000 to do Backdoor ROTH IRA (the first year I do Backdoor ROTH). In 2021, I also convert $10k from regular IRA account to Roth IRA account. At the end of year 2021, I have zero balance in all IRA accounts. Do I fill out line 6 and line 7 as zero, and line 8 as $16000 and will trigger pro-rata rule? I saw some videos explain that as long as I have zero balance in all IRA accounts in 2021 (or convert all IRA amount to ROTH) then I won’t trigger pro-rata rule. But when I enter $16000 in line 8, I don’t see how I won’t trigger pro-rata rule, or if I do something wrong? Thank you for helping me to clarification my question.
Yes, that’s what you put there, but I don’t see why you would be prorated. You know you’ll owe tax on $10K in additional income for that $16K conversion, right? You didn’t think you got to convert that $10K for free did you?
I fear I may have screwed up my first attempt at a backdoor Roth IRA.
I opened a traditional IRA in May of 2020. and funded about $2000 into it. After a month or so it grew to about $2250. At that point I converted to Roth.
I have been contributing to the backdoor Roth IRA on a monthly basis via automatic contributions ever since. I’ve even made 2021 contributions into the same account. I did this under the (possibly misguided) assumption that the conversion meant the Roth IRA was fair game despite my >$140k MAGI. After reading many articles and comments about the backdoor Roth IRA, nowhere did I see anyone who had done anything similar… leading me to believe this is completely wrong.
I understand now that the max lump sum contribution and immediate conversion is really the best way to go through the backdoor.
My current balance is $12000+ in the lone Roth IRA. Should I remove the excess that was added after the IRA was already converted to Roth? If so, what’s the best way to do this to avoid getting dinged on taxes?
Would I then open a new traditional IRA for 2021 (the original has since been closed) and repeat the backdoor process, this time with a lump sum from the excess that was removed?
And my next question.. if I’m ‘backdoor’ing every year, will I basically be accumulating separate Roth IRA accounts for each year that I do this? Or is it possible to convert and merge into an existing backdoor Roth?
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
And now that I think about it I actually made 2019 contributions (to Roth after conversion) as well since the contribution period had been extended to July 2020.
Those are past the recharacterization deadline. To be legal, you probably have to withdraw it all with earnings, pay taxes and penalties, and refile your taxes. The alternative is see if the IRS catches you. At a minimum, quit doing that going forward.
Your terminology is not very precise so I’m having to read between the lines here, but no, just because you start a Roth IRA with a conversion does not mean you can now contribute directly to it if you have an income over the income limit. You’ll need to recharacterize those contributions and then convert them.
This post is written for you: https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/ira-recharacterizations/
You can use the same traditional and Roth IRAs each year, no need for a new account each year. Katie and I only have one of each (4 total accounts).