By Dr. Jim Dahle, WCI Founder
There are more than 400,000 insurance agents in this country, and almost all of them would love to sell you a whole life insurance policy. If you buy a policy with premiums of $40,000 per year, the commission would typically be somewhere between $20,000 and $44,000 for that agent. As you might imagine, that commission can be highly motivating, especially given the median insurance agent income of $49,840. To make matters worse, many of the worst policies offer the highest commissions. Unfortunately, the vast majority of policies sold are sold inappropriately and the vast majority of those selling it are salesmen masquerading as financial advisors.
As a result of this ridiculous conflict of interest, agents can often throw out some serious myths in an effort to persuade you to buy their product, which might explain the damning statistic that 80%+ of those who buy this product get rid of it prior to death and polls of actual real life doctors on this site and our Facebook group show that the vast majority of those who have purchased whole life policies regret their purchase. If this is all news to you, then go read Everything You Need to Know About Whole Life Insurance before continuing on with this post.

While most WCI FB group members have never purchased whole life insurance, of those who have, 76% regret it.

The numbers are similar but slightly lower in the ongoing poll on this site (which unlike the FB group permits voting to be done by those who sell these policies.)
Lots of people think I hate whole life insurance. I actually don't. I hate the way it is sold and those who sell it inappropriately. If you really understand how it works and still want it, then feel free to buy as much as you like. It really doesn't affect me one way or the other. But I'm sick of running into readers and listeners who DID NOT understand how it worked when they bought it, and once they do understand it, DO NOT want it.
How Whole Life Insurance Works
Whole Life Insurance can be set up in many different ways, but in general, you pay a monthly or annual premium for either a defined period of time, or until you die. The longer the period of time over which you pay the premiums, the lower the premiums. Whenever you die, your beneficiary gets the proceeds of the policy. Since every whole life policy is guaranteed to pay out if you just hold on to it to your death, the premiums are much higher than a comparable term life insurance policy.
A whole life insurance policy, like other types of permanent life insurance, is really a hybrid of insurance and investment. The policy accumulates cash value as the years go by. That cash value grows in a tax-protected manner, and you can even borrow the money in there tax-free (but not interest-free). Upon your death, whatever you borrowed (plus the interest) is taken out of the death benefit, and the rest is paid to your beneficiary. (You get the cash value or the death benefit, not both.)
This investment aspect allows those who sell whole life insurance to find all kinds of creative reasons you should buy it and creative ways to structure it. The most extreme advocates may even argue that you don't need ANY other financial products during your entire life since whole life insurance can apparently take care of all your needs including mortgages, consumer loans, insurance, investments, college savings, and retirement.
The problem is that for every use of whole life insurance, there is usually a better way to deal with that financial issue. This post is the 38 frequent myths about whole life insurance propagated by its advocates.
Myth #1 – Whole Life Is Great for Pre-Retirement Income Protection
Whole life insurance is not the best way to protect your income, term life insurance is. Before you retire, you can purchase inexpensive term life insurance to take care of your loved ones in the event of your untimely death. A 30-year level-premium term life insurance policy with a $1 Million face value bought on a healthy 30 year old runs $680 per year. A similar whole life policy will cost more than 10 times as much, $8,000-$10,000 per year. That is money that cannot be spent on mortgage payments or vacations, nor invested for retirement.
Myth #2 – Whole Life Is the Best Way to Get a Permanent Death Benefit
Whole life isn't the best way to get a permanent death benefit—guaranteed no-lapse universal life is. There are a select few people who need or want an insurance policy that will pay out at their death, whenever that may be. This can be useful for some unusual estate planning issues. However, there is a better product that provides this and is much less expensive than whole life insurance. It is called Guaranteed No-Lapse Universal Life Insurance. It does NOT accumulate any cash value but simply provides a life-long death benefit. It only costs half as much as whole life insurance, so you won't be surprised to learn that the agent's commission on this sale will be far lower.
Call me cynical, but I suspect that might be one of the reasons you've never heard of guaranteed no-lapse universal life. Whole life insurance provides a guaranteed death benefit that is PROJECTED (but not guaranteed) to grow slowly so that if you die at your life expectancy or later you'll leave behind a little more than the original policy death benefit.
Death Benefits and Inflation
A whole life policy I looked at recently projected the death benefit of a $1 Million policy, bought at 30, would be $3.17 Million at death at age 83. That sounds great, almost like an inflation protection of the death benefit. Except historical inflation is something like 3.1%. At 3.1%, $1 Million now would be the equivalent of $5.04 Million in 53 years. A whole life policy would be devastated by unexpected inflation, since the dividends are backed primarily by nominal bonds, whose values would be murdered in a high inflation environment.
Therefore whole life insurance is neither the best way to provide a guaranteed life-long nominal death benefit nor a guaranteed life-long real death benefit. So what is it good for? How about a guaranteed death benefit that might increase if the insurance company feels like increasing it? Would you be willing to pay premiums that are twice as high for that? I didn't think so.
Myth #3 – Whole Life Insurance Provides a Great Investment Return
Whole life isn't the best way to invest—traditional investments are. When you pay your whole life premiums part of the money goes toward buying insurance, part of it goes toward overhead and profit for the insurance company, and part of it goes toward the commission for the salesman. The rest then goes into the cash value portion of the policy.
Each year, the insurance company declares a dividend, and if there is $10,000 in the cash value portion and the dividend is 6%, then $600 gets credited to your cash value. The dividend is only applied to the cash value, not the entire premium paid, so the average dividend rate is in no way, shape, or form related to your actual return on the policy as an investment. In fact, the return on investment is generally negative for at least a decade. I recently analyzed a policy for a healthy 30-year-old male with a 53-year life expectancy. The guaranteed return on the cash value was less than 2% per year AFTER 5 DECADES.
Even if you use the insurance company's optimistic “projected” values, you're still looking at a return of less than 5%. In reality, you'll probably end up with a return of 3%-4%. Considering you have to hold on to this “investment” for 5 decades, that doesn't seem like much compensation. If you have decades to invest, it is far wiser to take more risk with your investments and earn a higher return. An investment in stocks or real estate is likely to provide a return over decades in the 7%-12% range. $100,000 invested for 50 years at 3% per year will grow into $438,000. If it grows at 9% instead, you'll end up with $7.4 Million, or 17 times as much money. The rate at which you compound your long-term investments matters, especially over long periods of time.
Myth #4 – Insurance Companies Are Great Investors
Some agents believe that insurance companies can somehow get investment returns that you or I cannot find elsewhere and pass those great returns on to their policy owners. It can be illuminating to look under the hood and see what is really in the portfolio of an insurance company. In 2016, insurance company assets were invested 67% in bonds (almost all in run-of-the-mill corporate and treasury bonds), 1% in preferred stock, 12% in common stock, 8% in mortgages, 1% in real estate, 4% in cash, 2% in loans to their policy owners, and about 5% in “other.” Thanks to the index fund revolution, an individual investor can buy nearly all that stuff for less than 10 basis points per year in expenses. Active management doesn't work any better for insurance companies than for mutual funds.
As you might expect, the returns on a portfolio composed primarily of treasury bonds (currently yielding 1%-2%) and corporate bonds (currently yielding 3%-4%) aren't particularly high. So where do dividends come from? Part comes from the return on the investment portfolio, part comes from the fees of those who surrendered their policies, and part comes from “mortality credits,” which is basically money they didn't have to pay out to beneficiaries because fewer people died than they planned for (i.e., you paid too much for the insurance portion of the policy in the first place due to state regulations). There are no magic investments that insurance companies can invest in that you cannot without the company. Every additional layer between you and the investment just increases expenses and lowers returns.
Myth #5 – Whole Life Is a Great Asset Class
There are lots of asset classes worth including in a diversified portfolio, but whole life isn't one of them. Insurance salesmen generally resort to this argument once they've realized they can't convince you that whole life is a great investment in and of itself. They say that if you mix it into a portfolio of stocks, bonds, and real estate that it will improve the overall portfolio. However, you can call anything you want an asset class. Horse manure can be an asset class, but that doesn't mean you should invest in it. Think of it this way. If I told you I had an asset class with the following characteristics:
- 50% front load the first year
- Surrender penalties that last for years
- Requires ongoing contributions for decades
- Difficult to rebalance with other asset classes
- Backed by the guarantees of a single company (and whatever you can get from a state guaranty association)
- Requires you to pay interest to get to your money
- Guaranteed negative returns for the first decade
- Low returns even if you hold it for decades
- Must be held for life to provide even a low investment return
- Excluded from the investment for poor health or dangerous hobbies
would you buy it? Of course not.
Myth #6 – Whole Life Is a Great Way to Save on Taxes
Whole life isn't the best way to lower your investment tax bill, retirement accounts are. Many agents like to tout the tax benefits of whole life insurance, often comparing it to a 401(k) or a Roth IRA. The cash value does grow in a tax-protected manner, the cash value can be borrowed tax-free, and proceeds from the policy at your death are income (although not estate) tax-free. So some whole life advocates suggest you use whole life insurance instead of a retirement account like a 401(k) or a Roth IRA. However, a 401(k) or Roth IRA not only provides MORE tax savings and allows you to invest in riskier investments that are likely to provide you a higher return, but you also don't have to borrow your own money, nor pay interest for the privilege of doing so.
I've posted previously about the 3 Ways a 401(k) Saves You on Taxes and on how Whole Life Insurance Is Not Like a Roth IRA. I've also posted about how tax-efficient investments in a Taxable Investing Account don't carry nearly the tax burden agents like to tell you they do. Are there tax benefits of investing in life insurance? Yes, but they are dramatically oversold.
Myth #7 – Whole Life Insurance Protects Your Money from Creditors
Insurance agents love to use this one on doctors, who can be paranoid about asset protection issues. However, they often don't mention (or perhaps even know) that asset protection laws are very state-specific. For example [2022], in Alabama, only $500 of whole life insurance cash value is protected from creditors, but 100% of the money in your 401(k) or IRA is protected. West Virginia only provides an $8,000 protection. South Carolina protects $4,000. New Hampshire doesn't provide any protection. Many states do provide 100% protection for whole life insurance cash value, but you probably ought to look up your state's specific laws before falling for this myth.
Myth #8 – You Need Whole Life for Estate Planning
Cash value life insurance has some great estate planning features that can be very useful. However, the vast majority of people, including doctors, don't need those features. The primary benefit of life insurance is that you get a bunch of income-tax free cash at your death. This can help with a lot of liquidity issues, such as ownership of expensive property or a private business. If you have two children that you want to share in your estate equally, and most of your estate is the family farm, they would either have to sell the farm, cut it in half, or have one buy out the other in order to share equally. However, if you also had a life insurance policy with the same value as the farm, one kid could get the farm and the other could get the insurance proceeds. Likewise, in the fortunate event that you have a very large estate (more than $5 Million for single folks in the federal tax code, but can be much less in some states), the life insurance proceeds can be used to pay the estate taxes. This would be useful even with a single heir to prevent him from selling a valuable property or business at fire sale prices in order to pay the tax bill.
Some folks also like to put life insurance inside an irrevocable trust to decrease the size of their estate and avoid estate taxes. While you can put simple taxable investments into the trust instead (and would likely come out ahead due to higher returns), trust tax rates can be quite high, putting serious drag on returns for tax-inefficient investments, not to mention the hassle factor. It's important to point out that it isn't the life insurance saving money on estate taxes, it's the fact that you're giving away your assets before you die by putting them into the trust.
However, the fact is that the vast majority of Americans, even physicians, and even including physicians with an “estate tax problem,” don't need whole life insurance to do effective estate planning. Most people will die without any estate tax burden. Of those whose estates will owe some estate taxes, the vast majority have liquid assets that can be used to pay the taxes. Even if you want to reduce the size of your estate to prevent estate taxes, you can easily do so without purchasing life insurance. You and your spouse can give $16,000 each [2022] to any heir in any given year without any estate/gift tax implications. As an example, if you had 4 kids and they each had 4 kids and all 20 heirs were married, that's 40 people. 40 x $16K x 2 = $1.28 Million per year that can be taken out of your estate without paying any estate/gift taxes. It won't take long to get underneath the estate tax limit at that rate, no insurance needed.
Myth #9 – Whole Life Is a Great Way to Pay for College
Some agents even go so far as to suggest you use a whole life policy to pay for your children's college. Can you do this? Of course. You simply take out policy loans and send that money to the university to pay tuition. But you're better off saving up for college using a good 529 for multiple reasons. First, you often get a state tax break by using a 529 that isn't available for whole life insurance. Second, you don't have to borrow money from your 529, you just withdraw it. No interest payments required. Last, but certainly not least, consider the time frame of college savings. Parents generally save for college over a period of 5-20 years. By investing that money aggressively, they can expect a return of 7%-10%. Whole life insurance has very poor returns for time periods of less than 20 years. In fact, many times the cash value return on your “investment” in whole life is negative for at least a decade. It's important to make sure your money works as hard as you do, and your money is on vacation for the first decade in a whole life policy. Whole life advocates will point out that if you died, the death benefit could still pay for Junior's college, but it is far cheaper to cover that risk with term life insurance.
Myth #10 – Whole Life Is a Luxury You Want
Insurance agents will occasionally fall back onto this argument when it has been pointed out that a client doesn't really have any kind of a need for a permanent death benefit. They admit that the client doesn't actually need whole life insurance. Then they try to sell it based on having it as a status symbol or luxury. “Sure, you don't need it, it's a luxury.” A luxury is by definition something you don't need. I prefer my luxuries to be something that I really enjoy. So before buying whole life insurance as a luxury, ask yourself, “What do I really enjoy?” If it is owning whole life insurance, fine, buy some. But I bet most of us would prefer a luxury such as a nice car, a cruise with the grandkids, or perhaps a donation to a favorite charity.
Myth #11 – Whole Life Lets You Spend Down Your Other Assets, Providing Valuable Flexibility in Retirement
Whole life isn't the best way to ensure you don't run out of money, annuitizing some of your assets is. Whole life isn't the best way to deal with the second to die issue, properly structuring pensions and annuities is. Whole life agents like to come up with retirement scenarios that make you feel like you have to own or at least want to own permanent life insurance, especially for a married couple. For example, they'll talk about a pension that only pays out until the working spouse died. Or they'll talk about annuitizing some portion of your assets based on the life of only one member of the couple. Then they'll suggest that the proceeds of the whole life policy be used for living expenses by the second to die spouse. There is no reason to use a whole life policy in this way. If you want your pension to last until you both die, then select that option. If you want your annuity to last until you both die, then choose that option. Yes, it will pay out at a slightly lower percentage, but the difference between payouts is less than the cost of a whole life insurance policy that would cover the loss of that pension. It simply isn't the right solution to the problem. Does whole life insurance provide some flexibility in retirement? Sure, but the cost for that flexibility is too high.
Myth #12 – Whole Life Is a Great Way to Buy Expensive Stuff
Whole life isn't the best way to buy expensive stuff, saving up for it is. There are some really creative insurance salesmen out there advocating for systems such as Bank on Yourself or Infinite Banking. The basic scheme is this: by structuring your policy appropriately with paid up additions, you get a lot of cash value into your policy in the early years, such that you break even in 3-4 years rather than 8-15 years. You also buy a policy that is “non-direct recognition.” This means that when you borrow from the policy, the insurance company continues to pay dividends on the amount that was in there before you borrowed it out, so the policy dividends essentially cancel out the interest payments due on the loan. Now, rather than going to your savings account or to a bank to borrow money when you need a car, a refrigerator, or an investment property, you borrow from your whole life policy at essentially no cost. Further, the cash value in the policy that you don't borrow will grow faster than the money in a savings bank.
So what's the problem? The problem is that you have to buy a whole life policy you don't need. You might break even sooner than you would with a traditional policy, but there are still several years of negative returns and in the long-term, the same low returns. Is it better to earn 4%-5% a year after 5 years or earn 1% a year starting in year 1? Well, for the first 6 or 7 years you're better off with the 1% a year savings account. Also, if interest rates go up from their historic lows, you're still locked in to this system for the rest of your life. It wasn't very long ago that I could get over 5% from a money market fund. It also seems to be very easy to finance a car at a dealership at extremely low interest rates. 0% or 1% are not uncommon. You're better off borrowing from them at 1% than from your policy at 5%. It's a similar issue with appliances and mortgages. You go through all this effort so you can borrow from yourself, then realize it's cheaper to borrow from someone else. Finally, if you don't need to make a purchase for 5 or 10 years, you've got time to invest in something likely to have a much higher return than a whole life policy. Are those who bank on themselves being scammed? Not necessarily, but they're generally oversold on the benefits of their scheme. Its advocates are primarily insurance agents looking to increase sales through creative marketing. Saving up is simply a better way to make big purchases than buying a whole life policy.
Myth #13 – Really Rich People or Businesses Buy Whole Life Insurance So You Should Too
Whole life advocates, particularly those who advocate using your policy as a bank, like to point out that lots of very wealthy people and lots of businesses (including banks) actually buy whole life insurance. While true, it is irrelevant for the typical person. Big businesses don't have access to the tax-saving retirement account options that a middle class individual does. Ultra-wealthy individuals have already maxed these out. When you have far more money than you can ever need, the return on your money doesn't matter as much. Bill Gates can afford to invest in something that provides returns of 2%-5% because he doesn't need his money to work very hard. That's simply not true for the vast majority of middle to upper class people, including doctors. As discussed above, ultra-wealthy people also have more use for the limited estate planning benefits and asset protection benefits of permanent life insurance. In short, the low returns inherent in whole life are much less of an issue for them than they are for you.
Myth #14 – You Should Buy Whole Life When You're Young
Whole life salesmen like to point out that whole life is a lot cheaper if you buy it when you're young. While it is true that the premiums are lower if you buy a policy at 25 than if you buy it at 55, once you take into account the time value of money and the fact that you'll pay the premiums for 3 extra decades, it isn't any better of an investment at a young age than at an older age. Actuaries are very intelligent people, and for a risk that is relatively easy to model, like death, they can price insurance quite efficiently.
Aside from the lower premiums, there are two other reasons why it seems better to buy it when you're young. First, that commission is spread out over more years, so it has less impact on your overall returns. But the alternative of not paying the commission at all is far more attractive. Second, it's possible that you will either become less healthy or take up some dangerous sport later in life. This is one of the serious downsides of using life insurance as an investment—not everyone can use it. Either they don't qualify for it at all, or the price of insurance is so high that the returns on the investment are even lower than they would otherwise be. I don't see that as a reason to buy it when you're young, I see it as a reason not to buy it at all. Can you imagine if Vanguard sent a paramedic out to your house to draw blood prior to letting you buy their S&P 500 fund?
Myth #15 – Waiver of Premium Riders Are a Good Way to Protect Your Retirement from Your Disability
Whole life insurance isn't the best way to protect your retirement income from your disability, disability insurance is. Recognizing that whole life insurance premiums are really expensive and would be difficult to make in the event of disability, the insurance companies began offering a rider that waived the premiums in the event of your disability. Sometimes you don't even appear to have to pay extra for this benefit. Those who fall for this tactic are missing a couple of points. First, guarantees are not free. Every guarantee costs you money in the form of a lower return, whether the insurance company charges extra for the guarantee or “bakes it into the policy” so it is hidden.
Second, disability insurance is complicated and the definition of disability is all important. Most doctors who want disability coverage spend a lot of money getting a really nice policy with a broad definition of disability including “own-occupation” coverage because they want to make sure the company is going to have to pay in the event of their disability. The riders sold on whole life policies aren't nearly as comprehensive and are far less likely to be paid in the many gray areas that disabilities often fall into. You will almost certainly be better off buying a bigger disability policy rather than a whole life waiver of premium rider. Your disability insurance may also offer a retirement protection rider. While these have issues as well (primarily in the way the benefit is paid out), they're better than trying to get your disability insurance from a whole life policy.
If you're planning an early retirement like I am, you may realize you don't need your disability coverage to protect your retirement contributions anyway, at least after a few years of heavy savings. Consider having a $750K portfolio at age 40. You figure you need $2 Million in today's dollars for retirement. You plan to save heavily so you can achieve that at age 50 and retire. What is the back-up plan if you get disabled and can't save all that money? Your disability insurance doesn't just pay to age 50. It pays to age 65. So you don't need your portfolio to cover those 15 years. You can also start getting Social Security payments by the time the disability payments run out. Since you don't have to touch your portfolio, it can continue to grow. If it grows at 5% after-inflation, by the time you hit age 65 it will be worth over $2.5 Million in today's dollars. Don't buy insurance that you don't need. But even before you have any kind of portfolio, the best way to protect your retirement savings is to buy MORE disability insurance, not to try to get it from a whole life policy. Even if you could use the extra coverage to provide your retirement portfolio, you need to be able to put it into an investment with a high return, which whole life is unlikely to provide. An aggressively invested taxable account is just fine since your main income if disabled, your disability insurance benefits, are tax-free.
Myth #16 – You Should Exchange Your Lousy Old Whole Life Policy for a Shiny New One
Since an agent gets a new commission every time he sells a new policy, even if he replaces an old one from the same company, he has a serious conflict of interest in making recommendations to you. I interact with lots of insurance agents on this blog, and none of them agree with the others about what a “properly-structured” whole life policy is. That means if you go to a second agent, he will almost surely tell you that there is a better way to do it. However, for it to be worthwhile to exchange one policy for another the original policy has to be absolutely horrible, especially after a couple of decades. The reason for this is that the poor returns on whole life insurance are concentrated into the early years. I took a look at a policy recently. This was set up as an investment with paid up additions for the first 25 years. It was the agent's best attempt at maximizing the returns of a policy. Here is how the annualized returns looked:
Guaranteed | Projected | |
First 10 years | -1.84% | 0.98% |
Next 15 years | 2.55% | 5.47% |
Next 25 years | 1.99% | 5.13% |
This demonstrates that the poor returns are highly concentrated in the early years. With this particular policy, the returns actually decrease after 25 years because that is when you stop making paid up additions. With a more traditional policy the third row would be slightly higher than the second row. But the moral of the story is that you should buy the “right policy” first, and even a crappy policy that is more than 10 years old is going to be better than a brand new better policy. This is also the reason that it can be a good idea to keep an older whole life policy, even if buying it in the first place was a mistake. It's also noteworthy to see how little risk the insurance company is actually taking, since it isn't even guaranteeing that your cash value will keep up with inflation.
Myth #17 – Whole Life Is the Only Way to Pass Money to Heirs Income Tax Free
Whole life isn't the only way to pass money to heirs income-tax free at your death. In fact, it isn't even the best way, a Roth IRA is. When you die, your heirs get an insurance death benefit that is free of income tax. What agents often fail to mention, is that just about everything your heirs get from you when you die is income tax free. Thanks to the step-up in basis at death, anything outside of a retirement account, including furniture, automobiles, stocks, cash, mutual funds, and real estate is all revalued on the day of your death. Since the basis is now the same as the value, there are no capital gains taxes due. Inheriting a retirement account can be even better, especially a Roth account where the taxes have already been paid. You can take all the money out the same year you inherit it and not pay any taxes at all. Or, you can “stretch it”, taking withdrawals gradually over decades until you die. Meanwhile, it continues to grow tax-free. You can stretch an inherited tax-deferred account too, but you do have to pay taxes on any money withdrawn from the account.
Myth #18 – With Whole Life, There Is No Way I Can Lose Money
People invest in whole life insurance because they like guarantees. The insurance company guarantees that you'll get a certain rate of growth on your investment and it guarantees a death benefit. The guarantees, however, aren't worth nearly as much as people often assume. For instance, the guaranteed scale of any whole life insurance policy guarantees that your money will grow slower than the historical rate of inflation, despite sticking with it for half a century. Before deciding to trust a single company with your life savings, you might want to consider what happens if it goes out of business. There are state insurance guarantee associations that will cover the cash value and death benefit of your policy, but how much will they really cover? You might be surprised how little it is. In my state, only $500K in death benefit and $200K in cash value is covered, NO MATTER HOW MANY POLICIES YOU OWN. Your state is probably similar. No wonder agents are always talking about the long-term viability of their insurance company. It really does matter! Now I don't think the risk of any given insurance company going out of business in any given year is very high, nor do I think a typical purchaser is likely to end up with exactly the guaranteed growth rate. But before buying, you should realize that investing in whole life insurance isn't the risk free proposition agents like to present it as.
Myth #19 – Life Insurance Should Not Be “Rented”
This one is pretty easy to see through, but you still see agents using it frequently. Since everyone “knows” that it is better to own a home than rent one, the agent says something like “You wouldn't rent your home for the rest of your life would you? So why would you rent your life insurance?” Basically, the agent is referring to the fact that if you use term insurance after age 60 or so, it becomes more and more expensive each year, just like renting a home. But unlike a home, you don't need life insurance after you become financially independent. When you only need a home for a year or two or three, it is a better idea to rent than to buy. When you only need life insurance for a decade or two or three, it is also a better idea to “rent” than to buy. The opportunity cost of “ownership” is simply too high.
Myth #20 – Banks Own Life Insurance So You Should Too
This is a frequent one heard from the Bank on Yourself/Infinite Banking crowd. An underpinning of this school of thought is that the greedy banks are taking over the world so you should only do your financial work through the trustworthy insurance companies. To be honest, I don't have massive distrust for either one of these industries. Both industries have mutually-owned options (mutual life insurance companies and credit unions) where, like Vanguard, the customers own the company. The agents like to point out that banks actually own whole life insurance as part of their “Tier One Capital,” the money used to determine if the bank is adequately capitalized or not. This is somehow to make you fear that the banks know something you don't, like the financial world is about to implode and any of those using banks instead of insurance companies for their financial needs are going to go broke. Tier One Capital is a measure of a bank's financial strength. Banks use less than 25% of their Tier One Capital to buy single premium whole or universal life insurance on a group of employees. The bank owns the policy and is the beneficiary. When the employee keels over, the bank gets the cash. The bank is buying the policy primarily for the death benefit, not because the return is particularly high.
Tier One Capital is highly regulated and it is difficult for a bank to include riskier assets such as common stock(aside from that of the bank, which makes up most of Tier One Capital) and REITs in its Tier One Capital. When you are stuck choosing between low-risk/low-return investments, then you can understand why a bank might consider something like cash value life insurance with part of that money. However, individual physician investors investing for retirement have fewer restrictions on their investment options for their retirement. Most of them have significant need for their retirement money to grow. The returns available with cash value life insurance generally are not high enough for them to reach their goals. Even so, consider what a bank does with most of its Tier One Capital—it buys the only stock it can, it's own. If whole life insurance was so awesome, you'd think the bank would use all of its Tier One reserves to buy it. In short, doctors aren't banks, so doing what banks do isn't necessarily smart. Tier One Capital is highly regulated and it is difficult for a bank to include riskier assets such as common stock.
Myth #21 – Corporate CEOs Own Whole Life Insurance So You Should Too
Agents, particularly of the Bank on Yourself type, love to point out that the golden parachutes for many highly-paid CEOs include cash value life insurance policies. However, just as the financial situation of a bank is dissimilar from that of a physician, so is the financial situation of a CEO making $10 Million a year different from that of a physician. When you're making a gazillion dollars a year, rate of return on your money becomes much less important and thus the benefits of whole life (asset protection, tax, estate planning, etc.) become relatively more important. It isn't that returns on whole life magically get better. Again, if you are in a position that you only need your long-term money to grow at 3%-5% nominal per year, then feel free to invest in whole life insurance. Most of us, however, need higher growth. Remember that a doctor making $200,000 per year and a CEO making $10 Million per year are in very different financial circumstances and what works fine for one will not necessarily work well for the other.
Myth #22 – Banks Failed During The Great Depression, but Insurance Companies Didn't
This myth again preys on the fears of a global economic meltdown. In 1933 there were two holidays. The first was a “Banking Holiday” in which the banks were closed for 10 days as sweeping regulatory changes took place. The second was an “Insurance Holiday” in which for a period of nearly six months you could neither surrender your cash value life insurance policies for cash, nor borrow against them. Aside from this holiday, 14% (63 companies) of life insurance companies actually DID fail during The Great Depression. In fact, if they would have actually marked to market the bonds and mortgages they held, they would have ALL been insolvent. Reforms were put in place during The Great Depression that fixed many of the problems leading to bank failures and the banking holiday. However, these reforms were never put in place for insurance companies.
Myth #23 – After-Tax, Whole Life Returns Are Better Than Bond Returns
This one usually goes like this. “If you can buy a bond yielding 5% and are in a 45% marginal tax bracket, the after-tax yield on that is just 2.75%. A whole life policy with a “tax-free” internal rate of return of 5% is better.” This is an apples to oranges comparison. What is the 1 year return on that whole life policy? 2.75% sounds a whole lot better to me than a -50%. Even at 10-20 years, the bond is still way ahead.
I wrote about a physician who was pleased with his 7% return on his whole life policy bought in 1983 (don't expect to see that again any time soon). Except that he could have bought a 30-year treasury that year yielding 10.5%. 10 years later, as his whole life policy is breaking even and interest rates have dropped, the bond purchaser has not only already more than doubled his money just from the coupon payments, but the capital gains on that bond added another 50% to his return. That investor would have done even better purchasing equities in 1983, the start of an 18 year bull market. A bond, which can be sold any day the market is open, simply cannot be compared in any fair manner to an insurance policy which must be held for life to have any decent kind of return. Besides, most physician investors can hold taxable bonds inside retirement accounts instead of a taxable account anyway. That retirement account not only provides for tax-protected growth like a whole life policy, but also a tax-rate arbitrage between your marginal rate at contribution and your effective rate at withdrawal, further boosting returns.
Even if your only choice is between buying bonds in a taxable account and buying whole life insurance, keep in mind that even at today's low interest rates you can still buy Vanguard's Long-Term Tax Exempt Muni Fund yielding 3.17% [2014]. The guaranteed return on whole life insurance cash value, held until your life expectancy, is about 2% and the projected return is only ~5%. Realistically, you should probably expect a return of 3%-4% over the long term on that policy. Of course, if you actually wish to cash out of that policy instead of borrowing from it (and paying interest for the right to borrow your own money), the earnings are just as taxable as any taxable bond fund. And if you want your money in a mere 10-20 years, you're going to come out way behind with the life insurance.
Now, if you really understand how whole life insurance works and you think its unique features outweigh its significant downsides, then feel free to run out and purchase as much as you like. It truly does not bother me. I do not make any money if you buy whole life, nor if you decide to buy something else. However, if you are like most, once you understand it, you won't buy it and in fact, if you already have, you'll probably be looking for the best way to get out of whole life insurance. Don't feel bad. 80% of those who purchase these policies surrender them prior to death, 36% within just five years. You've got to ask yourself why so many people who were apparently intending to hold this product for the next 40 or 50 years suddenly changed their mind. I'm sure it has nothing to do with it being inappropriately sold to the financially unsophisticated by insurance agents facing a terrible financial conflict of interest with their clients. Whole life insurance is a product made to be sold, not bought. It is a solution looking for a problem that exists for very few, if it exists at all.
Myth #24 – Whole Life Insurance Keeps Assets Off the FAFSA
This is one is merely misleading. The statement as it stands is true. The Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA) does NOT consider whole life insurance cash value as an asset of the student or the parents. The problem is, for the typical reader of this blog, that it doesn't matter. Your income alone will keep your child from qualifying for any need-based college financial aid. So if you buy a whole life policy for this reason, you're likely to be disappointed.
Myth #25 – Term Life Expires Without Paying Anything
Another misleading argument. I'm always surprised to see people fall for this line, but they do. Do you complain when you don't get to use your car insurance for any given six month period? How about when your house doesn't burn down? Or you don't get cancer and get to use your health insurance? Then why in the world would you complain that your term life insurance expires and you're still alive. Term life insurance is pure insurance. If you die, it pays. If you live, it doesn't. As a general rule, since on average insurance must cost more than it pays out (since insurance companies have both expenses and profits), you should insure against financial catastrophes. When it comes to death, the financial catastrophe is dying during your earning years, before you become financially independent. So that's the only time period you need to insure against. Some people only fall halfway for this argument, and buy return of premium term life insurance. The same principle applies, of course. You don't walk away empty-handed when your term life policy expires. You had insurance for the entire term, which is exactly what you needed.
Myth #26 – Whole Life Insurance Is the Perfect Investment
This outright lie comes from the true believers. They argue that whole life insurance is safe, liquid, tax-advantaged, creditor-proof, and offers a competitive return. These half-truths all add up to one big lie. Let's take them one at a time:
#1 Safe
Safe from the cash value going down, perhaps, but not safe from losing money. A huge percentage of whole life insurance purchasers lose money because they cancel the policy at some point in the first 5-15 years before they break even on their “investment.”
#2 Liquid
I guess it's more liquid than owning a website or a rental property, but it pales in comparison to the liquidity available in a savings account or a mutual fund that can be liquidated any day the market is open. Even inside retirement accounts, there is absolute liquidity after age 59 1/2, and fair liquidity even prior to that date. Most of the time with whole life insurance you don't even get your money, you just have the right to borrow against it at pre-set terms. You can get that with a HELOC.
#3 Tax-Advantaged
Few understand just how minor the tax advantages of whole life insurance are. There is no up-front deduction like a 401(k). Unlike a real investment, there are no capital gains rates if you surrender a policy with a gain and you cannot deduct the loss if you surrender it with a loss (the usual case). You don't get to use depreciation to reduce the tax burden of your income like with real estate. Instead of being able to withdraw the money tax-free like with a Roth IRA, you can only borrow against the policy, and that's tax-free but not interest-free, just like borrowing against your house, car, or mutual fund portfolio. Sure, you don't pay taxes on the “dividends,” but that's because they're actually a return of premium (i.e., you paid too much for the insurance). The only real tax break associated with life insurance is that the death benefit is tax-free. But that isn't any different from any other investment, where you get the step-up in basis at death. In addition, whole life can't be stretched like an IRA. The tax benefits, such as they are, are limited to a single generation.
#4 Creditor-Proof
Too few docs understand just how low the risk of needing this protection actually is. I calculate my risk of being successfully sued for an amount above policy limits at 1 in 10,000 per year. Maybe half that now that I'm practicing half-time. So should I be so unlucky as to be that one person, I would declare bankruptcy and be left only with protected assets. In my state, that's my retirement accounts, my spouse's assets, $40,000 in home equity, and whole life insurance cash value. Your state may or may not protect whole life insurance cash value. Please actually check if you are so paranoid to actually buy whole life insurance for this reason.
#5 Competitive Return
Are you kidding me? Competitive with what? Whole life insurance generally has a negative return for 5-15 years (sometimes more than 30 for really terrible policies). Even a good policy held for 5+ decades only guarantees a 2% return and projects a 5% return.
If I were going to draw up the perfect investment, it would definitely avoid the following characteristics of whole life insurance
- Guaranteed negative return for years
- Requirement to interact with and pay a commission to an insurance agent
- Requirement to give samples of body fluids and submit to a medical exam
- Requirement to answer pesky questions about my health
- Requirement to avoid risky activities
- Requirement to pay interest in order to use my own money
It only qualifies as an “okay” investment in certain very limited situations. It's not even close to a perfect one.
Myth #27 – Insurance Agents Are Just People
This is one of my favorites to see in any sort of discussion with an insurance agent about the merits of whole life insurance. It usually comes when I point out that my problem with whole life insurance isn't so much the product as the way in which it is sold. Obviously, many of them take that quite personally since they've dedicated their life and career to selling this product inappropriately. So they point out that there are bad doctors or that insurance agents are just people trying to make a living. I don't have a problem with the sales profession. I don't even have a problem with people earning commissions for selling stuff. Cindy gets paid on commission to sell ads right here at The White Coat Investor. But if you seek advice from Cindy about whether buying an ad at The White Coat Investor is a good idea for you, you're a fool. Insurance agents are just people and people respond to incentives. An insurance agent has a huge incentive to sell you a whole life policy. The commission on a policy is 50%-110% of the first year's premium. Now you know why he's trying so hard to sell you a big fat doctor policy.
Myth #28 – No 1099 Income with Whole Life
This was a new one to me. I thought I had heard every possible argument for buying a whole life policy until someone whipped this one out. How much trouble is it for you to deal with a 1099? It takes me about 30 seconds using Turbotax. Certainly not a reason to favor one investment over another. Remember not to let the tax tail wag the investment dog. Your goal isn't to minimize your taxes or maximize your tax-free income. It's to have the most money AFTER paying the taxes due.
Myth #29 – What Does The White Coat Investor Know? He's Just a Doctor, and Probably a Crappy One
Sometimes agents start with this argument, but frequently this is where they end, with ad hominem attacks. Sometimes it's phrased like one of these:
So, exactly how does being an ER doctor qualify you to give financial and insurance related advice?
Do everyone a favor and stick to studying medicine.
You’re young, a doctor and absolutely sure that you know everything.
Obviously, medicine has lots of problems and doctors don't know everything, but if the agent's best argument for whole life insurance is an ad hominem attack, that's a good sign that you should have stood up and walked out a long time ago.
Myth #30 – After Maxing Out a 401(k) and Roth IRA, Isn't Whole Life Insurance the Only Tax-Sheltered Option Left?
This is the wrong question to be asking, but the answer to it is still no. Just because it is the only option presented to you by an insurance agent, doesn't mean it is the only option. Other options for retirement savings include defined benefit/cash balance plans, an individual 401(k) for self-employment income, a spousal Roth IRA, your spouse's employer-provided accounts, and Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). In some ways doing Roth conversions and paying off debt is also tax-sheltered. But most importantly, there is no limit on investing in a non-qualified mutual fund account (where long-term gains and qualified dividends are somewhat sheltered from taxes) or in real estate (where income is sheltered by depreciation and capital gains can be deferred indefinitely by exchanging).
Obviously investing in whole life insurance compares better to investing in a taxable account than to a retirement account (where there is no comparison from a tax, investing, or in most states an asset protection standpoint). But the real problem with this argument is that it is focused entirely on the idea that any tax-advantaged investment is always better than any fully taxable investment. That simply isn't true. It also mixes up the idea of an investment and an account, two things that financially naïve doctors sometimes have a hard time telling apart. (Think of the accounts as different types of luggage and the investments as different types of clothing.) The real question to ask yourself when you hear this argument is “Where should I invest after maxing out my available retirement accounts?” The answer is a taxable, non-qualified account. Now you're left with the question of what long-term investment to invest in—tax-efficient mutual funds, real estate, or whole life insurance? It's pretty hard to really compare the merits of those three investments and end up choosing whole life insurance given its limitations and terrible returns previously discussed.
Myth #31 – The Estate Tax Exemption Could Go Down
The idea behind this argument is a rebuttal to the argument discussed in Myth #8. In summary, that argument is that you need whole life to avoid estate taxes, which is silly given the vast majority of doctors won't owe any federal estate taxes. The next step is for the agent to argue “Well, the estate tax exemption might be decreased.” Well, I suppose that's true. Congress can change any law they want any time they want. But buying insurance or investing based on what could happen seems foolhardy. I mean, it is probably just as likely that the estate tax is eliminated as the exemption reduced. It seems to me the best way to plan for the future is to project current law forward, since most laws aren't going to be significantly changed. If they are, you can make changes at that point. At any rate, it isn't like whole life insurance is some magic panacea to eliminate estate taxes. The only reason whole life insurance reduces your estate taxes is by making sure you have less money due to its low returns! The thing that reduces the size of your estate is the irrevocable trust you put the insurance into, and you don't even have to put insurance into it if you don't want to.
Myth #32 – Whole Life Insurance Protects from Nursing Home Creditors
This one was particularly fun to debunk. Apparently, the idea here is to not pay for your own nursing home care somehow by purchasing whole life insurance instead of mutual funds. I'm not sure exactly how those envisioning this process think it will go. Maybe they think the nursing home doesn't ask for money until after you die or something, which is, of course, completely silly. But I think what they're referring to is the ability to spend down your assets to Medicaid levels, get Medicaid to pay for the nursing home, and still be able to leave a huge inheritance to your heirs because Medicaid somehow doesn't look at the value of your whole life insurance.
The whole process of Medicaid planning is a little distasteful to me to be honest. The idea is to hide someone's assets from the state so that the heirs can have them, foisting the cost of caring for the owner of those assets on to the public. But even assuming that you have no ethical problem with doing this, it's unlikely to work very well. Medicaid is state law, so it varies by state, but in Utah, a person can have up to $2,000 in countable assets and still qualify for Medicaid. Above that level, no Medicaid until you spend down to that level. If there is a spouse, the spouse can keep 100% of assets up to $24,720 and 50% of assets up to $123,600. Above that, Medicaid won't pay for the nursing home. Non-countable assets in Utah include:
- Your home if your spouse lives in it
- The value of one vehicle (including a Tesla)
- Funds set aside for a funeral
- Household and personal items
- Cash value of your life insurance policies IF the total face value of all policies is < $1500
So I guess if you want to hide money from Medicaid in Utah, then you could go buy a $1,000 whole life policy. Most states have similar policies regarding cash value life insurance. Even if there were a state with a higher limit than Utah, this seems silly for someone who should spend her entire retirement as a multimillionaire to be making plans to spend down to Medicaid levels for nursing home care. A far better plan to stiff your fellow Utah taxpayer (assuming you have a spouse who doesn't need care) is to upgrade your house and your car.
Myth #33 – WCI Doesn't Understand the Opportunity Cost of Borrowing Against Whole Life Insurance and Investing Elsewhere
This statement has been made without explanation, but the idea isn't that complicated (nor misunderstood by WCI). You can borrow against the cash value in your whole life policy and use that money for whatever you want. You can spend it or you can invest it. Lots of whole life fans use fun phrases like “velocity of money” to describe buying a whole life policy, borrowing the money out, and investing it in something else. The really talented salesmen get you to invest it (along with any home equity they can get you to borrow out) in yet another insurance product.
Is there a cost to not maximally leveraging your life in this manner? Sure, anytime you can borrow at a lower rate and earn at a higher rate you'll come out ahead. But leverage works both ways, and the risk is not insignificant. What is not often mentioned by those advocating doing this is the opportunity cost of plunking money into a low return life insurance policy and buying unneeded death benefit instead of a higher returning investment. For instance, consider two options. You can invest $10K a year into an investment that returns 10% per year or you can buy a whole life policy that won't break even for 10 years. After 10 years, the first investment is worth $175K and the whole life policy only has a cash value of $100K. That's a $75K opportunity cost that apparently the “insurance agent doesn't understand.”
With a properly structured policy, you can break even in perhaps five years (maximizing the use of Paid-Up Additions), and using the combination of wash loans (interest rate to borrow against the policy = dividend rate of the policy) and a non-direct recognition policy, this idea becomes “not terrible.” You still have the opportunity cost of the first few years in the policy, but that is balanced out by a higher return on your cash in later years. I have discussed “Bank on Yourself” or “Infinite Banking” previously in detail if you are interested. It's not an insane use of whole life insurance, but it isn't for me. If you really understand how it works (it's going to take working through a lot of hype to do so) and want to do it, go for it.
Myth #34 – Buy Whole Life Insurance for the Long Term Care Rider
In recent years, insurance companies are adding on a Long Term Care rider to whole life insurance policies (and universal life policies and annuities) and agents are using the fear of expensive long term care to sell them. I find this appalling. Not only are you mixing insurance and investing, but you're now combining two different types of insurance policies with investing. Given the track record of insurance companies with long term care, I think most of my readers should strive to get a place where they can self-insure the risk of long term care, but even if they cannot, I'd prefer a simpler long term care policy on its own than mixing it with an otherwise unnecessary and expensive insurance policy.
The benefit of buying this as a rider of a whole life policy is that the premiums of the policy are guaranteed—you don't have the risk of the insurer upping the premiums like you do with a long term care policy or upping the cost of the underlying insurance like you do with a universal life policy. Those guarantees are worth something.
Remember we're not talking about just an accelerated death benefit. This is just another way of self-insuring long-term care, but with a lower return on the investments used to pay for it. You're really buying two policies combined into one. But there's no free lunch here. You're either paying more for the combined policy, or you're getting less of something, usually death benefit. Most likely, you're also paying for a life insurance policy you don't need or wouldn't otherwise buy. That death benefit isn't free. The reason life insurance companies stopped selling long term care insurance and started selling these hybrid policies is that their actuaries were convinced they are more likely to make money that way. That profit has to come from you, there is no other possible source.
If you do decide you wish to purchase some sort of long term care insurance policy, it is entirely possible that a hybrid product is right for you, but just like health and disability insurance, the devil is in the details. Read the fine print and be sure you know what guarantees the insurance company is actually providing. Know about what is covered, what isn't covered, and whether benefits are indexed to inflation or capped. Or better yet, live like a resident for 2-5 years out of residency so you'll be rich enough to self-insure this risk and never have to make this decision.
Myth #35 – We Don't Say Put All Your Money into Whole Life Insurance
This argument is simply bizarre, but used by agents once the prospective buyer has refused to buy the massive policy they were offered at first. A small commission is better than no commission, I guess. Of course, you shouldn't put all your money into whole life insurance, that's a straw man argument. Also, if buying a policy is a bad idea, you're going to be better off if you buy a small one than a big one. But that's hardly a reason to buy a policy in the first place. Like any asset class, if it isn't a good idea to put a significant chunk of your portfolio into it, it probably isn't a good idea to put any of your money into it.
Myth #36 – Yes, We Have a Few Bad Eggs but Most of Us Are Ethical
This argument is used when I point out that literally hundreds or even thousands of my readers have been sold clearly inappropriate insurance policies. The problem is there are two options to explain this phenomenon. The first is that these agents are unethical. The second is that they're incompetent. Given the statistic that 80% of policies are surrendered prior to death and 76% of the docs I've surveyed regret their purchase, this is hardly just a “Few Bad Eggs” doing this. It's an industry-wide problem.
Myth #37 – You Should Buy Insurance to Preserve Insurability
This one is used to sell insurance to people that don't even have a need for insurance. The idea is to prey upon their fear of the combined risk of needing insurance AND not being able to purchase it. One example would be a 25-year-old single doc with no kids. No life insurance need here. “But what if you get diabetes before you get married and have kids? You should buy the policy now.” Uhhhh . . .no.
First, you may never have dependents.
Second, if you do need it, you'll probably be able to buy it at that time at a reasonable price.
Third, if you do become less insurable, you will still likely have options for some insurance through an employer or other groups.
Fourth, even if you become uninsurable through anyone, the risks must be multiplied. For example, let's say there's a 5% risk of you becoming uninsurable before you have a real insurance need. And the risk of you dying before reaching financial independence is 5%. To get your true risk of a financial catastrophe, you must multiple those risks. 5% x 5% = 0.25%. That is a 1 in 400 chance. Life is risky. You can't eliminate every possibility of something bad happening to you and even if you could, that wouldn't be a wise use of your money. Wait to buy insurance until you have a need for that insurance.
This argument is often even extended to children. If you're buying life insurance from the same company that sells you baby food, you're probably doing something wrong. Now, if you could buy a lot of future insurability for that kid very, very cheaply, that might be something to consider. Unfortunately, you can't really do that for several reasons:
First, you have to actually buy unneeded insurance. That newborn likely won't have any need at all for life insurance for 25-30 years.
Second, you're not pre-buying the policy that kid will need. You can't buy the right to buy a 30-year level term policy at age 30. You have to buy a whole life insurance policy. Which means you're also paying for insurance that will be unnecessary on the far end of life too, after the kid has become financially independent.
Third, you generally can't buy enough insurance, or even enough future insurability, to actually meet any sort of realistic life insurance need. Most of these infant policies are only $10K or so. That's basically a burial policy, and as sad as it would be to bury your kid, it's not a financial risk my readers should need to insure against. (I've even heard the argument that you should buy the policy so you can take a few months off work because you'll be too distraught to work, but that's what an emergency fund is for.) Even if you find a policy that allows you to purchase future insurability for a larger policy, let's say $500K, that's not going to mean much in 30 years when the life insurance need actually shows up for the first time, much less in 50 years when the kid is actually reasonably likely to die. At 3% inflation, $500K today will only be worth $200K in 30 years and $109K in 50 years. Better than nothing, but you went to all this effort and expense to preserve insurability and your kid still ended up with inadequate life insurance coverage.
Myth #38 – Whole Life Insurance Is a Great Investment to Put in Your Defined Benefit/Cash Balance Plan
I had this one pitched to me by a doc turned financial advisor of all people. The argument was that you could buy whole life with pre-tax dollars and then if you wanted to pull the policy out of the defined benefit plan you could do so. He felt this was an “advanced technique” for “high net worth folks.” I was flabbergasted. It was such a stupid idea I couldn't believe it. A defined benefit/cash balance plan already provides tax protected growth and asset protection, two reasons frequently cited to buy whole life insurance. You're now paying twice for those benefits. To make matters worse, should you die while this policy is in the defined benefit plan, part of the death benefit becomes taxable, negating another usual advantage of life insurance—a completely tax-free death benefit. But the main reason why this is such a stupid idea is when it comes time to close the defined benefit plan, which is usually done every 5-10 years or so in order to roll it into an IRA. At that point, you have to do one of two things.
First, you can surrender the policy and move the cash surrender value into the IRA. But what is the investment return on the first 5-10 years of a whole life policy? You break even if you're lucky. Not exactly a great investment for that time period, especially compared to a typical conservative mix of stocks and bonds.
Second, you can purchase the policy from the plan. Of course, you have to do that with AFTER-TAX dollars. So while you initially bought it with the pre-tax dollars in the plan, eventually you're going to have to cough up after-tax dollars for the policy. And then what are you left with? A whole life policy you probably neither want nor need and perhaps even with associated premiums you have to make each year. Some deal!
Myth #39 – More Money Is Passed Through Life Insurance
This myth showed up in a comment on a post on this blog. I thought it was particularly creative, especially with the way it was combined with Myth #8 (You Need Whole Life to Help For Estate Planning) and Myth #25 (Term Life Expires Without Paying Anything):
More money is passed through life insurance than any other way. I’ve seen too many people out live term which is throwing money away and need life insurance and are at that time in life uninsurable. Life is really used well in estate and trust planning.
Surprisingly, this was the first time I had heard this argument. Being financially literate, of course I was able to immediately debunk it, but I suppose somebody might fall for it. There are two problems with this statement. First, it may not even be true. I looked and looked and looked for a study that showed what assets are actually inherited, without finding anything that actually quantified it. So if there is a study that actually says this, I suspect it is paid for by a life insurance company. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not, but I suspect it isn't given how few people have life insurance in force at their death. I suspect more money is left behind in houses than anything else. I mean, look at the net worth of people by age. Among retirees, the 50th percentile for net worth is $210K. That's got to be mostly house. The 80th percentile is $696K. That's about the average price of a house in my upper middle class neighborhood in a flyover state.
That jives with the average estate left behind at death:
- The average retired adult who dies in their 60s leaves behind $296K in net wealth,
- $313K in their 70s, $315K in their 80s
- $283K in their 90s
It seems very unlikely that the main inheritance most people receive is the proceeds of a life insurance policy given those numbers. How many retirees even carry life insurance? According to this, about 65% of those 65+. But 47% of those own less than $100K of life insurance. It is a well known statistic that fewer than 1% of term life insurance policies pay out. It isn't that the insurance companies aren't good for the money, it's just that people out live the term. A lesser known statistic is that 80%-90% of whole life insurance policies don't pay out either. They're surrendered prior to death, often at a loss since 1/3 of policies are surrendered in the first 5 years and over half in the first 10 years.
I did manage to find some UK data, however, which suggests my hunch (that people inherit more in real estate than life insurance proceeds) is correct.
As you can see, more than half of inherited assets are housing assets, so clearly more assets cannot be passed as life insurance than anything else.
Perhaps the agent wasn't referring to the median inheritance though. Perhaps he was referring to the total amount of dollars passed to heirs. I could find no data to support nor refute that notion.
Second, even if the statement is true, it is irrelevant. Given that THE PURPOSE of life insurance is to pass assets on to heirs, that's hardly an argument to buy life insurance for some reason besides the death benefit. As I've always said, if you want a life long death benefit that gradually increases throughout your life, then a whole life insurance policy is a great way to get that (although a guaranteed universal life policy can provide a level life long death benefit at about half the price and is probably a better solution for those who really need a permanent death benefit.) Bear in mind that you are likely to leave a larger inheritance by investing in stocks and real estate than buying life insurance due to the higher returns, and those assets, just like life insurance, provide a tax-free inheritance to your heirs. Life insurance only provides a larger inheritance if you die well before your life expectancy.
Myth #40 – You Get an Investment and Life Insurance
This one confuses a lot of people and they get really mad when they realize how whole life insurance works. They mistakenly believe that they get a death benefit for their heirs AND a separate “cash value” investment type account that they can use themselves or leave for their heirs. What they do not realize is these two pots of money are one and the same. That which you use for yourself does not get passed on to your heirs. When they discover this fact, they feel like the insurance company is stealing a bunch of money from them and their heirs.
In reality, when you borrow against your life insurance policy, you are borrowing against your death benefit. When you die, your heirs get the death benefit minus any outstanding loans. The amount of the outstanding loans, of course, can never be more than the cash surrender value of the policy, which gradually grows to an amount very close to the death benefit at your life expectancy. So really the cash value just tells you how much of the death benefit you can borrow at any time. You can either borrow this pot of money (death benefit/cash value/surrender value) and spend it yourself, surrender the policy and spend the money, die and leave the money to your heirs, or some combination of the above. But there isn't two pots of money. There isn't a $400K cash value and a $1M death benefit. There is just a $1M death benefit. If you spend $400K of it, your heirs only get $600K of it. So you don't get an investment AND life insurance, you get an investment OR life insurance.
Summing It Up
There you go. Forty reasons for buying whole life insurance debunked. Don't worry; the agents who sell this stuff will come up with more. Just hang out in the comments section over the next year or two and you can watch. Whole life insurance is a product designed to be sold, not bought and the only way to win an argument with an agent trying to sell it to you is to stand up and walk away. As Upton Sinclair famously said, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” Maybe it should be called Whole LIE Insurance.
Whole life insurance is a terrible investment if you don't hold on to it to your death. Since the vast majority of people surrender their policies prior to death, it is a terrible investment for the vast majority of those who purchase it. If you want to invest in it, then you need to place a very high value on its unique aspects and not mind it's serious downsides.
The ideal purchaser of whole life insurance should:
- Need or desire a guaranteed, but possibly slowly increasing, life-long death benefit,
- Understand that the guarantee/contract essentially relies on the insurance company staying in business for as long as he lives for any policy of reasonable size,
- Live in a state that protects 100% of the cash value from creditors,
- Have some estate planning liquidity issues,
- Be in excellent health,
- Pursue no dangerous hobbies,
- Not mind having low returns on his investment despite holding it for decades,
- Have serious philosophical aversion to using traditional financing resources such as banks and credit unions (or simply just saving up for what you want to buy),
- Have already maxed out all available retirement accounts including backdoor Roth IRAs and HSAs, and
- Be willing to hold on to the policy until death no matter what changes in his financial life in the future.
The fact is that only a tiny percentage of the population, far smaller than the number of people who have been sold these policies historically, meets all or even most of these criteria. Whole life insurance remains a product designed to be sold, not bought.
Agree? Disagree? Comment below! Please reference which “myth” you're referring to in your comment and keep comments civil and on topic. Ad hominem attacks will be deleted.
[This updated post was originally published as a series from 2013-2019.]
I’m 29 what insurance should I get. My names eddie and I don’t work in any dangerous factories. So death isn’t projobent anytime soon. I work from home on my own blog at http://www.lifeisablog.com and I’ve never had insurance.
I generally recommend health, disability, liability and property. Add on life insurance if anyone else depends on your income.
I am a physician, and I love learning about personal finance. I have the “strange” hobby of reading about it daily. I’m the guy that people who know me ask about finances to get an unbiased opinion. My library is overrun with financial books written from varying viewpoints and my daily readings consist of quite a bit more than simply reading WCI. I mention the above information about myself to inform you that I am not a blind WCI follower.
I take most all financial advice with a grain of salt and try to discern between the advice given and the reason behind that advice. I have a “financial planner” for guidance; although, I often know more about a particular financial subject that affects my personal situation than he does, and I consider him to be an excellent advisor whom I chose after meeting with countless other advisors before going with him — still nice to have a “professional” look over my plan from time to time and bounce my ideas off of him. I’m always open to learning new things…who wouldn’t be. With that said…
After years of reading WCI’s blog, I can tell you there is very little on which WCI and I don’t agree. His advice is usually spot on.
I don’t often post on financial blogs, but felt the need to here. Why? Because the financial speak used to discuss whole life insurance is often done so in a way that almost makes it sound as if this product is a no brainier for the recipient. Furthermore, the client may not have the financial tools under his belt at that time to analyze the pros and cons of the policy being presented. Also, Insurance companies keep coming up with new twists on an old idea to somehow make it solve new problems or address some issues a purchaser may have with the traditional product. Just listen to someone tell you how great limited pay whole life policies compare to traditional whole life policies as an exercise to illustrate this point.
Quite often…actually I would say the majority of the time (in my personal experience), these whole life products are presented without looking at alternatives or the downside. It’s often presented as a solution to a host of issues without also looking at other quite possibly better solutions, which is what WCI has repeatedly said in his responses to various commenters above.
As someone who continuously works to have my financial house in order, I can honestly tell you…heed what WCI is saying. Also, you shouldn’t even consider whole life insurance until you have done a multitude of other tasks to get your financial house in order. No matter how good whole life insurance sounds, there are a TON of other building blocks to your financial plan that you need in place before spending $10,000-$40,000/yr on a whole life policy. Fifteen year mortgages and paying off credit cards and other high interest debt should be addressed early. Disability insurance, an umbrella policy, retirement accounts, college savings, automatic savings/investment plans, tax efficient investing, etc. should also be looked at, and they are all covered very well by WCI. Note I didn’t mention life insurance…yes, you likely need that too, but I’ll address that shortly. The list of things you should do before considering whole life insurance goes on and on and should of course be individualized to your needs and goals.
If you don’t share my “strange” hobby of reading extensively about personal finances, you would do quite well to at a minimum follow WCI’s blog. His intentions are good, and he shares his experiences to aid others. For someone starting out or even those advanced in their financial planning, the concepts presented by him will likely keep you on the right path. Of course, customize his advice to your own personal situation. Yes, the finer details of investing in individual stocks vs index funds or market timing vs buy and hold can be argued till the end of time, but the broad strokes are there free for you to use to build your knowledge.
Back to the topic at hand — whole life insurance. I mentioned above that you likely would need life insurance…I’m not going to get into who does and doesn’t need life insurance. I will simply assume that you need life insurance and that you plan to save for retirement as well as leave a nest egg for your heirs/charity.
Whole life insurance…man it sounds good when presented by a financial planer, financial advisor, or insurance salesman. My advice to you, however, would be the following: buy a term policy from a company that offers what is considered to be great whole life insurance. A lot of folks recommend big mutual insurance companies for this. When you purchase your term policy, purchase the right amount (I think WCI discusses this on his sight) and make sure you can convert an appropriate amount of the term policy to whole life insurance if the need should arise. My term policies allow me to convert to whole life insurance without the need for medical exams etc. for a period of 10-20 years depending on the policy. So why do this. Simple, I get the life insurance that I need for the price of a cheap term life policy, I don’t have to worry about future insurability, and I have years to figure out if I need whole life insurance. When I first started learning about finances, I was ill equipped to discern the pros and cons of the various aspects of a whole life insurance policy. Over the years, I have learned about estate planning (to avoid the taxes the whole life policy is supposed to protect me from and so much more), investing (to make more $$$ than the cash value of the whole life policy), college savings plans (a better way to save for college in my opinion than a whole life policy), own occupation disability insurance with retirement funding ryder’s, and a host of other financial concepts to secure my financial future. Now that I am more financially literate, I can easily discuss the pros and cons of a whole life policy with my financial advisor. I understand the opportunity cost of the $10,000-$40,000 premiums. I understand what I would gain by taking out the policy as well as what I would loose. I understand the upfront “load” of purchasing a whole life policy and why it takes years to “break even.” I can evaluate the returns of the guaranteed and non guaranteed projections presented in the illustration of the policy. I can intelligently talk about the tax consequences associated with the funding/underfunding of the policy. I understand the estate planning instruments that I now have in place. I can look at my entire financial plan and easily wipe away most of the “benefits” presented in the form of a whole life policy. With all that in mind, I can sleep easy at night knowing that this year (again) I will choose not to convert my term policy to whole life coverage. Guess there’s always next year, but I doubt it.
Keep up the good work WCI…it’s truly appreciated.
Well said.
I am a physician and just saw an advisor trying to sell me a permanent life insurance policy. I ready this article and every comment spending more than 4 hours at a stretch. Can not thank enough for this wonderful insight. Really appreciated WCI…
You’re welcome.
Dear White Coat,
I have mentioned this before but I haven’t seen the results yet. I know you are against Whole Life Insurance, I think I read it somewhere in your posts. I also know you are against using it to create a banking system….SO I would encourage you to take Pamela Yellen’s “Bank on Yourself” challenge. If you haven’t heard about it, she will pay you $100,000 if you can prove that there is something better in investing than the Bank on Yourself system. My challenge to you is to take her up on her challenge, and here is why. You have not only trashed permanent life insurance but you have trashed everyone in it. It reminds me of the Bill Clinton school of deception, before you do anything try to discredit the messenger that way everyone who isn’t educated on the subject will think you are smartest one in the room. Since you are THE expert on Whole life insurance why don’t you allow your readers to to judge for themselves. I will arrange the electronic meeting and since you are convinced that your myths are THE myths about whole life insurance earn yourself a cool $100,000 and prove to all of us that you really are the smartest one in the room. Here is the exact verbiage from her website: “TAKE THE 100k CHALLENGE! Bank On Yourself is offering a $100,000 cash reward to the first person who can show they use a different strategy that can match or beat the advantages and guarantees of Bank On Yourself.” If you don’t take the challenge I believe that some may question your credibility….I certainly would. I guess the best way to put it is “put your mouth where the money is”. Put it all on your blog so we can see how it turns out. I think you owe it to your readers, if you are up to the challenge.
Thanks for stopping by. If you love whole life or banking on yourself, feel free to buy as much as you like. If you truly believe it is an awesome investment, feel free to sell as much of it as you can to your clients. But don’t be surprised when an unbiased observer (it makes no difference in my life if readers buy a whole life policy or not) points out the issues with said policies.
I don’t need your help to find Pamela Yellen. It is not a good use of my time and does not further my goals for this website to spend hours arguing with you or Pamela Yellen about whole life insurance. It’s pretty obvious to me how a challenge this like this would go- it would go just like all these other arguments with agents on this site. Under no circumstances would Ms. Yellen ever pay me $100K. She would simply argue that I didn’t win the challenge. It’s like Hydra- you cut off one head and two takes it’s place:
It’s like a Hydra- you chop off one head and two more take it’s place.
“It’s a great investment,” says the agent.
“But the returns are low.”
“You’re saving, not investing,” says the agent.
“I only need so much savings, and I feel fine keeping that in the bank. Everything else I invest.”
“But it can take the place of bonds in your portfolio, says the agent.”
“I’m okay with bonds. I’ve got munis and I bonds in taxable, and treasuries and corporates in my retirement accounts.”
“But it doesn’t show up on the FAFSA, so you can use it for college savings,” says the agent.
“My 529 seems to be working fine, and has positive returns in the first decade to boot!”
“But whole life insurance companies have access to special investments you can’t buy on your own,” says the agent.
“I don’t know, their portfolio seems to be corporates and treasuries and a little bit of real estate and stocks. I’ve already got that.”
“But you need a permanent death benefit,” says the agent.
“No, I don’t. Once I’m financially independent I have no need for insurance.”
“Well, you can use it for income protection before you retire,” says the agent.
“Yes, at ten times the cost.”
“But you’re sure to die and don’t you want to leave something to your heirs whenever that is?,” says the agent.
“I’m more likely to leave them more money with traditional investments at my life expectancy.”
“But you can use it for estate planning,” says the agent.
“I won’t even owe estate taxes.”
“But it provides asset protection, says the agent.”
“Not in my state.” Or if so, “It’s very rare for doctors to be sued for more than their malpractice or umbrella limits. Besides, retirement accounts provide as much or more protection.”
“But you shouldn’t trust the banks,” says the agent.
“They seem just as trustworthy as the insurance companies.”
“But insurance companies remained solvent in the Great Depression,” says the agent.
“No, they didn’t if you actually look it up. Some of them failed to pay out just as much as the banks.”
“But banks buy permanent life insurance,” says the agent.
“I thought we hated banks. Why are we doing what they do? Besides, how a bank invests is irrelevant to how I invest.”
“You can save on taxes with whole life- just think- tax-free withdrawals in retirement,” says the agent.
“Yes, tax-free but not interest-free.”
“Sure, you don’t need whole life, but don’t you want it? It’s like a luxury item that rich people have,” says the agent.
“Seems like a boat would be more fun if I’m looking for a luxury item.”
“But it’s so flexible, especially in retirement,” says the agent.
“Except if I want all my money back within the first few years of owning it. Or if I want to stop making payments. Even later in the policy when the dividends/cash value can support the premiums due that dramatically decreases my return.”
“Don’t you want to pass your assets to your heirs income tax-free?” says the agent.
“Have you never heard of the step-up in basis?”
“Are you really going to let Uncle Sam tax your investments as they grow? Tax rates are sure to go up,” says the agent.
“Have you never heard of the lower dividend/LTCG rates? How about tax-loss harvesting? Donation of appreciated shares? Tax-efficient index funds?”
It just goes on and on and on. It’s Hydra. Until the client gets up and walks out of the office, the agent is winning. The argument cannot be won. The agent will never say, “You’re right, this is a lousy product that I would never recommend to you if it didn’t involve a massive commission for me. It certainly isn’t right for you. Sorry I brought it up.” They won’t says that because not only does their income depend on it (and you know what Upton Sinclair says about that) but because they actually believe that whole life is awesome. They truly do. Somewhere, somehow, they have been convinced or convinced themselves it is. It’s almost cult-like. And they’ve been trained to keep bringing up all this stuff over and over again until you give in and buy the policy. Then, a few months or years later, you realize what you’ve done. The commission is long since spent and the client is stuck with the unsavory decision of either keeping a policy he doesn’t really want.
Love the Agents of Shield reference! My husband and I watch that together. Still following this thread via e-mail apparently. Just reassurance that I’ve made the right decision to NOT buy whole life when someone such as Terry is so openly aggressive about pushing their agenda. A good product sells itself 🙂
Amazing! I loved reading this… These whole life guys are something else! Keep up the great work Jim!
Hahaha awesome comment WCI. I had the exact same conversation with an agent. You have done a great service to us by showing the truth.
Dear White Coat,
This is your quote from your response to me asking if you would be willing to take the Bank on Yourself $100,000 challenge…..
“It is not a good use of my time and does not further my goals for this website to spend hours arguing with you or Pamela Yellen about whole life insurance. It’s pretty obvious to me how a challenge this like this would go- it would go just like all these other arguments with agents on this site. Under no circumstances would Ms. Yellen ever pay me $100K. She would simply argue that I didn’t win the challenge. It’s like Hydra- you cut off one head and two takes it’s place:
It’s like a Hydra- you chop off one head and two more take it’s place”.
Like a Hydra? Not a good use of your time and doesn’t further your goals on this website? Just what are YOUR goals for this website?
[Six sentence ad hominem attack deleted.]
Taking the challenge may actually change your mind about some things, educate you on the subject, or give you some perspective you haven’t thought about. It could get you $100,000 since you know you are right about everything insurance. Your credibility would skyrocket in the eyes of your readers just by taking her on, even if you just made your point and didn’t actually win. Maybe you could teach her a thing or two.
[5 sentence ad hominem attack deleted.]
I would like you to do a poll….how many of your readers have gotten 8% every year in the market, every year they have been in it? Not averaging 8% but an actual 8% per year ROR as you say you have the strategies to accomplish. Maybe we should all listen to Dave Ramsey, he virtually guarantees 12% per year, year after year!
[2 sentence ad hominem attack deleted. I loved the part about how I don’t know anything about doctors.]
I can tell you after working with them for 32 years the majority of doctors don’t spend every waking hour learning and watching the market, nor should they, that’s why they have advisers. Just like they shouldn’t have +2 golf handicaps….they should be doctors, first and foremost….and educate themselves on medicine and enjoy their families and the money they have.
You really don’t understand that the commissions on a whole life policy are the lowest commissions of any financial or real estate product sold today, do you? Actually the agents that specialize in term insurance make more commission than whole life because as the terms end the policies get re-written, new 50% first year commission, not 2% service fees. Sometimes the re-writes happen several times over one’s lifetime. Why haven’t you researched this and know the facts. Good whole life policies pay 40 to 50% once in a persons lifetime unlike many investments that charge 2%+ year after year, even when they are losing your money. Vanguard’s John Bogle demonstrated that a 2% fee over a 30 year period can reduce an investor’s portfolio by 50%+! His words not mine. Most doctors are paying those kinds of fees. Also when is the last time you read in the news that a life insurance agent bilked millions or even billions of money from clients….that is left up to the equities side of the financial business. Are there bad financial advisers and insurance agents? Yes!
[8 sentence ad hominem attack deleted.]
I have worked with hundreds of doctors over the years, none have lost a dime and they have made much more than the 2 or 3% you claim, they have educated their children, recovered all the cost, driven their Mercedes Benz’s and BMW’s at no cost, reduced their taxes substantially, created tax free money and created a banking system that has worked well for them for years. They will pass on huge amounts of wealth to their children, and grandchildren creating generational wealth that lately has been confiscated by financial institutions and the government. But, even with all that expertise, that still doesn’t give me license to give medical advice on a website. You, on the other hand are a doctor, no doubt an expert in the field of ER medicine, I assume, giving financial advice because you have invested in the stock market for a while. I respect your opinion even on financial matters, but it is your opinion as a doctor, you would do well to respect the knowledge and opinions of other professionals in their field of expertise.
[Ad hominem attack deleted.]
I hope you will actually post this, your readers deserve it. Take the challenge!
[Wow! That was some serious editing. If I have to do that again you will never post another comment on this site.]
Another day, another 1500 word comment without any paragraphs from an insurance agent posted onto a years-old whole life post that will require me to read and edit to eliminate the ad hominem attacks.
The point of the website is to help docs avoid getting hosed by financial service professionals like yourself, make me some money, and connect docs with “the good guys” in financial services, none of whom post 1500 word comments that will very rarely ever be read. Consider how many hours someone has to read to get to your comment. Consider the hundreds of other insurance agents who have done the same. You didn’t read their comments (if you had, you wouldn’t have posted all the same stuff again.) Why will anyone ever get to yours? They won’t, unless they’re doing it for entertainment while being very bored on a slow night shift in an ED somewhere.
If you love whole life, buy as much of it as you like. If you actually believe it is a good idea for your clients, sell as much as you can. If you want to write 1500 word essays about whole life insurance, feel free to do so on your own website. You can call it “My Awesome Whole Life Insurance” blog and you can write about how Suze Orman and Dave Ramsey and The White Coat Investor are fools and that Pamela Yellen walks on water. I’m sure it will be very popular among physicians.
If you post another comment greater than 500 words, I’m just going to delete it. That’s a ridiculous waste of my moderating time. And use some paragraphs for crying out loud.
The only comment there worth responding to is the bit about commission. I’m amazed that you think a 40-50% commission is the lowest in the financial industry. The highest loaded mutual funds I’ve seen are in the 5-8% range. And you think 40% is the lowest. I’m no mathematician…..
I agree that paying 2% a year in advisory fees is just as dumb as buying whole life insurance as a retirement investment.
I’m glad your clients will pass on huge amounts of wealth to their children. Thanks for stopping by.
Thanks a lot to Jim/WCI for the blog and hosting all these conversations, and also to all who post comments, and contribute to the discussions. Hearing both sides is really useful. I am no expert, consider myself as reasonably savvy financially, and am not easily impressed. However, I must say that I am VERY impressed by this blog that I am discovering today by chance, doing some research on whole life insurance. The depth and relevance of personal finance info/education in this blog is simply amazing.
Back to some things that are on my mind and brought me here. I am 57, MD, married, 3 kids (in college or Grad/Med school), doing well financially. I have just been contacted to buy whole life insurance. I was considering it for the following reasons:
– I am maxing out every year on 401k, IRAs (for me and my wife), and have saved enough to pay for college/grad school for my 3 kids
– House is paid off
– My investments have been doing great in this bull market (luckily I stayed put and remained invested during the 2008-2009 financial crisis). However, this is a decade-long game (not just a few-year game) and am becoming more concerned now about protecting my investments.
– Also, although I thought I would be in a lower tax bracket when retired, with the market at all time highs, I am not sure this will be the case any more.
– Therefore with these elements in mind for the next 5-10 years (higher taxes in the future most likely, expected lower returns on equities, expected lower returns on bonds with rising interest rates), I was tempted to buy some whole life insurance to provide some cushion, and also to provide some security for my wife who is not so interested and as savvy financially. However now, with this blog, I am definitely reconsidering and on the fence as I understand that whole life insurance would be a lifetime commitment that one cannot easily retract from without incurring a significant loss, and that returns are OK but only after 15-20 years.
I have not explored the whole blog yet, but I think I am at a point where I could benefit from a consultation with a fee-based experienced financial advisor who could look at my situation and provide some objective recommendations. If possible, thanks to point me on how to find a good one (I live in New Jersey).
These posts may help.
For what it’s worth, I’m not hearing you say a reason you need a whole life insurance policy. A SPIA, on the other hand, would probably help you with your goals. You’re probably not quite at the best age to buy one yet though.
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/spia-the-good-annuity/
Thank you. I was contacted by an agent who mentioned Myths 6 (taxes), 11 (more flexibility in retirement, allow you to not worry about longevity risk), 17 (tax-free inheritance) and 18 (guarantees). Your posts have convinced me that putting hard-earned money into whole life is probably not a very smart move, as far as I am concerned.
However, I am struggling to find investments that are not too risky (have enough exposure to equities), can provide a decent return, and can be left on auto-pilot, requiring little oversight. I feel I already spend quite some time managing my finances and do not want to spend all my free time managing investments and/or a rental property. So this was a consideration too.
The holy grail- low risk, high return, and no hassle. Let me know when you find it.
Whole life insurance is pretty low risk (at least volatility wise) and not that much hassle after you buy it, but returns are low.
Stock index funds are higher risk, volatility wise, not much hassle, and with higher expected returns.
Bond index funds are lower risk, not much hassle, and lower expected returns.
Do you have a written investing plan? Have you considered either writing one or hiring someone to help you write one? Life is so much easier once you have one.
This was published in Forbes and worth a read. Sponsored by One America (insurance company)
https://www.oneamerica.com/wps/wcm/connect/23b21fa6-8e9c-49c9-a49e-1a0b0ef95d91/OA_WP_Opt-Ret_Inc_05-15_web.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CONVERT_TO=url&CACHEID=23b21fa6-8e9c-49c9-a49e-1a0b0ef95d91
Google Insurance Pro blog and read through their blogs. Very good info, one specifically was a case study for a retiree supplementing his 401K with an annuity. Seems to have a very favorable outcome.
Not recommending any plan of action but all good reading
Sorry for long URL. Paper title is “Optimizing Retirement Income
by Combining Actuarial Science
and Investments”
This is the Wade Pfau paper recently discussed on Bogleheads. Be sure not to just read the conclusion, but also the assumptions that go into the methods. That was where I had problems with the paper.
Here’s a link to the discussion: https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=165864
Did I hear you correctly that upon death you get the insurance pay out or the cash balance but not both. Isn’t that a huge waste of capital?
BTW I’m a member of a church organization with insurance ties and the other night I was listening to a presentation where the insurance representative proposed for guys in their 50’s and 60’s, instead of funding an IRA fund an insurance policy. It was not clear to me if he proposed liquidating the IRA or just fund the policy with contributions that you would have made to the IRA. He asked what would happen to your IRA upon death. He said it would be taxed. I said not necessarily, there is no tax unless you take a distribution or cash out the IRA. He later came up to me and admitted he was making up the IRA being taxed for illustrative purposes. I was like wow, this is a church organization isn’t it.
Sad, isn’t it? Yes, that’s the way it works. If you die, your heirs just get the death benefit, not the death benefit plus the cash value.
After time, depending on growth, the death benefit could increase, but I agree and do not like that aspect. IF you over fund life insurance to gain cash value, you have to “pay” to access your on money. This still needs lots of explaining for me
Old Post but I’ll comment anyway. Some of your myths are way off the mark…
-” There are a select few people who need or want an insurance policy that will pay out at their death, whenever that may be”-False. There are a variety of reason to have a permanent policy and some of those reason your may not see till closer to retirement. 1 biggie is supplementing a survivor pension annuity. The insurance is often must cheaper than the annuity and it tax free.
-your example of a whole life policy for $1M being worth $3.1M at age 83 lagging inflation ignores the tax free aspect of death benefit. 3.1 tax free versus $5M taxable isnt far off. Plus an 83 year olds expenses are most likely much less than a 30 year olds expenses.
Agree term id the first step fr income replacement but whole life for those who can afford it offer many strategical benefits
Why do you say it is false? You don’t think there are people who need a death benefit even if they die after financial independence or you think everyone ought to have a permanent policy?
$3.1M tax-free versus $5M taxable suggests a tax rate of 38%, far higher than even the highest possible capital gains rate-23.8%, and that assumes no step up in basis on any of the assets.
When I said false I was referring to this comment, ” There are a select few people who need or want an insurance policy that will pay out at their death, whenever that may be”. I think far more people are looking for permanent insurance for a myriad of reasons. Financial independence is part of the equation but in an of itself does not eliminate the need for life insurance. GUL could be a better solution, I am looking at a policy now in fact.
I am not an insurance person, I am a consumer trying to make informed decisions
As far as the $3.1M tax free vs $5M, in a 401k is income tax and for some state tax on top of it. so the results vary between individuals. I didnt run the math, it was a wag. But besides that, the $3.1m was pretty much a low risk guarantee, sleep easy at night and the $5M was a lot of work, active oversite, more risk etc. Again depends on the person, some may be very happy with the easy 3 mil and never look at the return they missed out on. They both leave plenty of legacy options.
Dear White Coat Investor,
We have a family household income of over 230,000/yr and I am not eligible for Roth IRA. Since i have a small business, i invest
in SEP and also buy Real Estate Properties. My Financial adviser advises me to start a Perm Life Insurance as an alternate investment.They think there is liquidity ,and tax free growth when it comes to WL. After reading your blogs, i am a little skeptical about starting a WL account.So what are my other options to have an “liquid” account, tax free and at the same time grows at a better rate than my savings account !
I think it’s generally a bad idea, especially for someone who isn’t even maxing out a backdoor Roth IRA and is mistakenly using a SEP instead of an individual 401(k). You need a new adviser.
Why would you suggest individual 401 vs SEP ? my tax accountant suggested SEP , may be because of easy Setup.
Do you have a blog/article link explaining the difference ? Thanks !
Why yes, yes I do.
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/sep-ira-vs-solo-401k/
The main reason is that you can max out a solo 401(k) on a lower income than a SEP, but also because it preserves the ability to do a backdoor Roth IRA. I’m disappointed your accountant doesn’t know about that, but he certainly isn’t alone.
Thanks for the link! I was looking for alternate investment vehicles and they suggested WL, i guess that was a terrible idea !. So in your opinion, convert my SEP to individual 401 K, keep investing in backdoor Roth IRA and continue with Real estate investments. No need to worry about “other” forms of investments ?
I should be asking these questions to my FA, but not so sure of them anymore 🙂
[This was Jason’s final ad hominem attack on the site. Unfortunately, I have also had to block multiple email addresses to get him to quit emailing me. It is truly bizarre the lengths insurance agents go to in order to defend whole life from its critics.-ed]
You have been poorly misrepresented by this site. Max out what you can but a very well structured WL policy can be extremely beneficial for you. Do your research. Run the numbers. If your FA has a financial calculator go to them with questions and figures. Make them prove why the policy they are trying to sell you is indeed best. I can guarantee the numbers will work in their favor after the original loss of starting the policy.
It varies based on your age, health, and a few other things but if the majority of the premium is going to actual cash value and not death benefit you have a decent policy. If not you should reconsider that advisor.
“Misrepresented?”
“I can guarantee the numbers will work in their favor after the original loss of starting the policy.”
Well that’s just it, isn’t it? The main problem with a whole life policy IS the original loss of starting the policy. Ignoring that is like saying “I can guarantee your stocks will always go up except during corrections/bear markets.” While true, it’s a useless statement.
Whole life shouldn’t be bought by someone who is just looking for alternative investment vehicles. You need to want the whole life policy for a specific reason. That might be because, like Jason, you’ve bought into the whole Bank on Yourself/Infinite Banking philosophy. If so, that’s fine as I discussed here:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/appropriate-uses-of-permanent-life-insurance/
But you sound like most docs who accidentally went to a commissioned salesman thinking they were an advisor and got the hard sell on whole life. Once you understand how whole life works, you probably won’t want a policy. But if you do, and you’re committed to keeping it your whole life, and you know how it should be structured, then go buy one. It doesn’t bother me in the least. I don’t get paid more either way.
Wow, terrible advice…..
Ramsey, just make sure it is going into a cash rich Whole Life policy and not a Universal Life. If 60%+ of your total premium is going towards cash and it is indeed a whole life policy, you’re in good hands IF you plan on financing purchases with it. Use it to buy your cars, houses, vacations, etc.
I disagree with Jason’s recommendation, as do most who do not sell permanent life insurance for a living like he does. As a high-income professional, you can cash flow cars and vacations and there are usually better ways to finance the purchase of a home, whether you intend to live in it or use it as a rental property. More info on what he’s recommending can be found here: https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/a-twist-on-whole-life-insurance/
Whatever you do with regards to a permanent life insurance policy, you need to know everything about it BEFORE buying it. Far too many people don’t ever hear about the downsides until they’ve already purchased it.
You’ve forgotten I do not sell it. Thanks though. You’re misunderstanding the differences here. I’m not advocating you only invest in whole life insurance. That’s the primary difference. I’m advocating that you use it as a savings account and invest in other places as well. You get a product you need, life insurance, as well as a savings vehicle that earns you a minimum of 4% plus dividends…. invest all you like, but use your policy as the financing vehicle for your purchases or even your investments. It’s a nobrainer.
I disagree. I think most docs DO NOT need permanent life insurance.
You may not sell permanent life insurance, but your firm does. We don’t need to rehash that multiple times.
Buying whole life insurance is often considered the biggest financial mistake many investors have made. It’s hardly a no-brainer.
I suppose that’s the fundamental difference between you and me. I believe EVERY ONE needs life insurance. If they prematurely pass what will their spouse have? Do they have a need or desire to create a legacy for their children? Do they need to find a buy/sell agreement with their partners in the practice? Life insurance, life insurance, and life insurance….
If you can explain to me why EVERY major bank and Fortune 500 company uses these policies to finance their purchases but why that shouldn’t be used for a doctor, I’d love to hear it. Just remember Bank of America owns 37 Billion in cash value life insurance. Explain those two things and not igmore them like you always have and I’ll take you seriously. U til then you’re just another ill informed advisor trying to steer customers to your products. What’s truly sad is that they should do both and you refuse to admit it.
All of these myths are addressed in the series of posts you’re commenting on.
Everyone doesn’t need life insurance and they certainly don’t need it for big chunks of their life. I basically only need it between marriage and financial independence. That’s a period of less than 20 years for me. Even if you need it twice that long, it’s only 40 years, or half of your life. You can leave a legacy just fine without life insurance. Most people DON’T need a buy/sell agreement.
I’m hardly ignoring the bank issue as I’ve written about it already in this series (see myths # 13 and 20).
Readers- this is a perfect example of what you’ll hear from an insurance agent on this topic. The only way to “win” this argument is to stand up and walk out of their office because they’ll just keep arguing until you buy it or walk out. Wouldn’t you if the commission were tens of thousands of dollars? You almost can’t blame them.
I was curious why banks buy life insurance as well. Apparently they buy WL on their employees in order to pay off their benefits because it’s cheaper that way. Yet another reason why we retail investors shouldn’t be trying to imitate a bank.
Sickingly naive of you….. you’re renting your life insurance. What does it cost you? 50 a month? 100? 200? Either way a 30 year term policy will cost you plenty. Why waste your money when you can break even on a whole life policy after 3 to 5 years? Now you have your life insurance and it’s net cost was less than zero….. that’s not even talking about buying a policy at 25, still needing insurance at 55, and paying an insane amount in those later years. Nor is it talking about buying a policy on your children while they are young and healthy, having it pay for itself by the time they are adults, having the ability to finance their education, and allowing them to NEVER have to worry about their insurability in the future. You’re a smart guy right? How many young adults develop health problems and become either completely uninsurable or get table rated? I was one of them. Diagnosed with a brain tumor at 23. Had my parents bought a policy for me prior to turning 18 there is almost no medical underwriting….
You still don’t address my Bank of America figure. We have the Financials to prove what they own, do you? If it’s such a giant waste of money why on Earth are they buying it by the Billions? They are either complete morons or have something figured out that you do not. Guess which one it is?
My firm uses Infinite Banking as a solution to a problem. The problem is both Financial independence and banking itself. If you could buy a car and not only get back all the principal you paid into it but also get the interest back as well, what kind and how many cars would you buy?
Ignore facts all you want, your readers are smart enough to make their own decisions. If you are meeting with an advisor and they are only presenting you with one solution, run. If they are pointing you in the direction of the masses with 401k, run faster. Again, this is one solution to a few problems. It is not the end all be all.
I’ll catch up with you mid next year when the market tanks, just do me a favor and remember this conversation.
Dude, it’s after midnight. Take a deep breath and ask yourself, “Self, why am I typing stuff 202 comments down into the comments section of a blog post written two years ago, followed only by a handful or two of insurance agents, and which most readers will not get to since it represents at least an hour of reading to get down this low on the page? Is this a good use of my time?” Chances are good you’d be better off going to bed. You’re certainly not going to convince me that whole life insurance is anything but an oversold waste of money for the vast majority. The arguments you put forth have been put forth dozens, perhaps hundreds of times on this website over the last 5 years. They have been answered many times before. Don’t blame me if you don’t have the 15 hours to read through all those arguments on the 20 different whole life insurance posts on the site.
I address your comments not out of hope that I’ll convince you, but simply to demonstrate to the reader just how silly some of the arguments insurance proponents make are.
When it makes sense to rent, I rent. For example, when I go on vacation for a couple of days, I rent a car. I don’t buy it. Why? Because renting is the financially smart thing to do. Same thing with life insurance. Since I only need it for a short period of time, I only pay for it for a short period of time. It is then dramatically cheaper.
Term life isn’t a waste of money because I want the insurance. I give money, I get insurance. It works just like my auto insurance and health insurance. If that never pays out, I don’t feel like I wasted my money as I had the insurance. The goal isn’t to “break even” or even get a “return.” That’s the purpose of an investment. Whole life insurance is a lousy investment, so I don’t invest in it. Since I don’t need permanent life insurance, I don’t buy it. I recommend my readers do the same.
Permanent insurance doesn’t magically become free after you break even, even if you do design a policy that breaks even in 5 years (most policies aren’t designed this way, incidentally. I see people all the time 10+ years into their policies who still haven’t broken even.) You still have the opportunity cost. For example, if your term policy costs $50 a month and your whole life policy costs $1000 a month, after 5 years you’ve paid $3000 into the term policy and $60K into the whole life policy. A 10% return on that extra $57K is $5700 a year, a heck of a lot more than the cost of the term insurance. Apples to oranges.
I think buying permanent insurance on children is also a dumb idea. They have no need for insurance. Losing thousands in opportunity cost in order to maintain a minimal amount of insurability (unless you’re suggesting parents buy a whole life policy with a $2-5M face value, which precious few parents can afford) is a waste of money. I’m sorry you had a brain tumor. Since you work in insurance, I’m sure you know an actuary who can answer your medical/insurance questions. If not, I’ll try to find you a contact if you’re truly curious, but I suspect you’re just using an argumentative method of trying to make your opponent look stupid by asking lots of questions that a bystander might mistakenly assume are relevant to the discussion. I agree my readers are smart enough to see through that.
I did address your “Bank of America figure.” In fact, I wrote a post about it that I linked to earlier. Perhaps you thought that linked to something else. Do you really care if I have the “Bank of America Financials?” Really? As far as whether Bank of America is run by morons, I’ll let readers decide:
https://christopherfountain.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/bank-of-america-run-by-morons-and-you-trust-them-with-your-money/
By the way, Googling “Bank of America Morons,” gives you 442,000 results.
I know your firm uses Infinite Banking as a solution to a problem you imagine most people have. I do not have a problem that requires Infinite Banking to solve. Nor do most of my readers. If they wish to do it, they are more than welcome to. As I’ve discussed elsewhere (https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/a-twist-on-whole-life-insurance/) this idea that you get the car for free if you borrow from your whole life policy to pay for it is sleight of hand. But I’m sure you own thousands of cars since it is free to pay for them that way. You do own thousands of cars, right?
You’re right that my readers are smart enough to make their own decisions. They are also smart enough to see through the flimsy arguments you are making again in favor of purchasing whole life insurance. They are also smart enough to realize that an insurance salesman is not an unbiased advisor. No, I probably won’t remember this conversation with you. It is far too similar to the hundreds of conversations I have already had with whole life agents (and the guy who works next door to them selling other types of insurance but has clearly drank the Koolaid) on this website.
How much later are you going to stay up for this argument? One of us is in an ED right now and will be up all night checking in on comments between patients. I’m sure readers can figure out who that is.
“Pass him the puck because he’s ON FIRE!”
*applause.
Amen.
Now that I’ve blocked his comments, let’s see if I can get him to quit emailing me from every email address he has until I’ve blocked them all too.
Hello WCI,
I’m not a physician but read 2 articles on the site along with most of the comments added to this post. If you have time to reply, I’d like your opinion on purchasing a guaranteed no-lapse universal coverage plan as a single, 34yr old female, no children, no mortgage, no personal health problems (family HX of BC/mother died at age 56) with $150,000 death benefit for $90/monthly premium considered paid at age 70. Is this reasonable? I was just quoted this by an agent at Prudential. I know that you advocate various forms of term coverage depending on a person’s situation but in this post you stated that UL is a viable option when it’s guaranteed no lapse. No matter whether I die at age 40, 60, 75 or 100, my beneficiary would receive exactly $150,000. The interest rate is 2.5%. My premium remains the same for the duration of the terms (to age 70). I cannot borrow against the money paid. I know next to nothing about life insurance. I used the term4life? website that you recommended further up in the comments to get a quote from nearby independent insurance agents and it looks as though I might be eligible for similar coverage for about $15 less per month. What do you think? If I only have about $100~ max to spend on life insurance, what would you recommend?
Thanks for your time and expertise!
I’m so sorry — the monthly premium quoted was $74, not $90. Thanks!
Why do you need life insurance, much less permanent life insurance? Are you aware that a healthy 34 year old female can buy a 30 year level term policy for (as you mentioned) less than $15 a month?
If you really do need $150K in life insurance, then sure, buy a term policy. Why are you even considering a permanent one? GUL is a viable option for someone who needs a permanent policy. Why do you need one?
Seriously, why do you need ANY life insurance?
What do you think that (after death) money is to be used for? Or, more specifically, for whom?
Yay! Thanks for the fast response.
Why do I need life insurance? Because I don’t relish the idea of a crowdfunded funeral in the event of my untimely demise?
My mother was dx’d with triple negative breast cancer at the age of 55 in Oct 2012. She was a physically healthy, active, clean eating vegetarian, married for 28 years and a preschool teacher. She died in Jan 2014. She was (thankfully) covered under her husband’s life insurance plan because she lost her own employer sponsored benefits when she had to stop working. It was one of the few things that we didn’t have to stress about during a difficult time.
Up until last month, I had group benefits through my job but I’m unemployed and my coverage termed 10/31. I have one month to decide if I want to convert my former policy and I’m terrified that something will happen to me and I’ll become a financial burden to my family.
My mother’s death provoked a sense of uncertainty where I don’t think I had that before. Generally, in my family, we tend to live super long lives with diagnoses of diabetes or hypertension later on (50s, 60s). We found out some years ago that my (now) 93 year old grandfather had been paying $25 a month for over 20 years on a policy that paid out $3,000. He was to continue paying that until he died or forfeit the money. He lost out on that ($6k) when we convinced him to stop paying. He didn’t know any better and the insurance sales agent who traveled from house to house each month collecting payments had convinced him that that was a great policy for an aging black man in midlands SC in the early 1980s.
If average life expectancy for a healthy woman is 83 years, what’s the benefit of a 30 year term policy? If the likelihood of being diagnosed with something increases with age, is it not better to lock in a fixed, low premium? I don’t have any dependents or mortgage — I do have student loans (not cosigned by anyone). If nothing else, my thought process was to get a permanent policy for a decent amount (with a couple of disability/LTC riders), and, if there’s a goodly amount leftover after settling everything, maybe give a donation to a favorite cause? If this is unwise/stupid, please help me out! LOL, again, I freely admit to knowing next to nothing about life insurance.
Thanks again!
Okay, there’s the details you need to make a good decision. You want a life insurance policy large enough to pay to bury you and settle your estate. You don’t have a need for any more insurance because no one else is depending on you. $150K is probably way too much. $10-20K is probably enough. Certainly $50K. That should be $60 for the whole year on a 30 year term policy. Do you really not expect to have at least $50K saved up in 30 years? If not, then sure, buy a permanent policy. But the general idea here is that at some point in your life you’ll build some wealth by working hard, getting some income, saving a certain percentage of that income, and investing the savings. Then, when your term runs out, you have enough money to live on the rest of your life.
But hey, if you want to pay for permanent life insurance instead of building that wealth, that is an option many insurance agents will sell to you. But if you can afford to pay the much higher premiums for the next 30 years, you can afford to build some real wealth such that you won’t need the insurance in 30 years.
Good luck with your decision.
You are a very nice writer. Thank you for sharing.
Term insurance is very cheap. For most here, it is a temporary instrument to cover their dependents in the case of an untimely death during their peak earning years. The majority of people on this website make high incomes and therefore will not necessarily to have a $150k policy when they are 83.
You are unemployed and worried about dying. But the fact is that you have no children or others looking for your supporting funds. You can get a budget-fitting term life policy easily. I recommend it. If you are alive in 30 years, you can reassess. Get a new policy or maybe you will be wealthy to not worry about it. You can also stop the policy at any time with no sweat off your back.
Here’s a good example of the emails I get 3 or 4 times a week (details obscured a bit to protect the innocent):
I wonder if I could speak with you directly. I have invested huge
amounts of money in permanent life insurance and I can no longer keep
up with the payments . I would love to know what my options are and if
I should surrender and loose everything as opposed to keep investing .
My policies are 2-5 years old.
My husband is a physician , I worked at an insurance company for 2.5 years and I
thought it was a good investment now based on your blog I have second
thoughts . Thanks!
Over and over and over again. How helpful, to see people so much insurance they can’t even afford the premiums. Also easy to see that no matter what was said, the client viewed this purchase as an investment. Agents- quit selling whole life inappropriately. Clients- quit buying it. You should be a whole life expert long before ever buying a policy because you’re basically stuck with, at best, low returns until death.
I would be interested in buying any of those whole life policies that people want to get rid of. I would pay them more than the surrender value.
Great! I’ll send them your way. Here’s one from this week sent to me by an insurance agent:
How much will you offer him to buy his policy from him?
Is the policy still inforce?
I don’t know. It won’t be for long.
My point is I’ve got all kinds of people who discover in the first 1-3 years of these policies that they’ve been had. If you’re going to offer them more than surrender value, I’ll send them all to you. I could probably get you a policy a week if you want them.
My point is that if you are serious about connecting me with people that you have convinced that their whole life policy issued by a mutual insurance company isn’t worth keeping. I would be more than happy to purchase these policies especially if they are limited pay whole life policies in the policies first few years of existence. And would be more than happy to purchase them for more than the surrender value. If you are serious and have policies that our inforce please let me know and I can evaluate the policies and determine a purchase price.
Three questions:
1) Mutual companies only?
2) Limited to what? 7-pay? 10-pay? 20-pay? How limited does it have to be?
3) How much more will you pay than surrender value? For example, take this guy who’s paying $3K a month to NML. He’s made 3 payments, or about $9K. Let’s say his surrender value is $4K. What are you going to pay him?
4) Is there a business partnership opportunity here? What are you willing to pay me to send people to you if this is such a profitable line of business for you?
Wow, you throw all this advice out to people espousing to help them against the evils of permanent insurance. You strongly advice each of them to surrender their policies and lock in monsterous loses. Someone offers a way for these poor shleps to lose less money and now you only want to help or refer if there is something in it for you. I think this concept caught you completely unprepared and really brings into question the integrity of your advice.
How can anyone trust what you say when it’s becomes “what’s on it for me”.
I would question anything coming from a person who refers to his colleagues as schleps.
I would support the person who is looking out for me.
You might be mistaken here. I’m actually running a viable business here. See all those ads to your right? They all pay me hundreds/thousands of dollars a year to advertise here. See all those recommendations above? Yup, all paid advertisers. That book to the right? It’s FOR SALE. You buy it, I make money. This site has been FOR-PROFIT from the very beginning. Everything that happens here has two purposes- # 1 To help those who wear the white coat get a fair shake on wall street and # 2 Make money. When I can do both of those at the same time, I think that’s pretty awesome.
Now, here I have an agent who states he/she’s willing to pay my readers who are going to surrender their policies anyway more than they’d get from the insurance company. Presumably, this is because he/she has found a way to make this profitable for him/her. Connecting the reader and this agent provides a win for both of them. If I also get a cut for it, that’s a win-win-win. So, assuming the agent is serious, and is actually going to offer a significant amount more than the insurance company will, I don’t just leave this buried at comment 235 on this thread. I set up what’s called an affiliate marketing agreement. So if this doc could get $4K from the insurance company. And she’s willing to offer $5K. Then I set it up so I send her 100 people a year that want this deal. She pays me $250 a piece. I make $25K. Readers get $75K more than they would have without this relationship. Win-win-win.
But truthfully, I’m very skeptical that she wants to buy all these NML WL 65 policies from people who have only owned them for a few months or years. So I doubt this is going anywhere. But I’m always looking for another source of revenue around here and I wouldn’t have a bit of a problem adding this as a source. I just don’t think it’s actually viable because I don’t believe the agent actually wants to and can buy all these policies.
Thanks for responding. My comments seem out of line but for whatever reason your initial reply just hit me as wrong.
Choosing permanent insurance is a difficult decision made worse by all the second guessing after the purchase. If a person is interested in permanent insurance for the right reason the surrender values are moot since the policies Intent is to not lapse or surrender. The problem is people buy the policies for the wrong reasons, get ripped off in the purchase and get ripped off again on the surrender. So reading you say you want to make money off it hit a chord.
I enjoy reading your forum.
I actually expected something like your response when I wrote it. And I agree with what you say about whole life.
It’s not that different from making money off student loan refinancing companies. I still have to be careful not to recommend refinancing for people who should go for PSLF. Best just to disclose clearly any conflicts of interest so people can make their own decisions.
The alternative is to do all this for free, and I’m not willing to do that. Maybe somebody will be some day and put me out of business. “Mission accomplished” I would say if that occurred.
Joseph, Schlep was a sarcastic term u chose because the tone of the thread is anyone who purchases permanent insurance is ill-informed, ill-adviced, taken advantage of, etc. and maybe that is all true in some cases. But here now we have someone proposing a pint entail solution to a problem and it becomes “what’s on it for me “. I would have had must more respect if the response had been , let’s talk about this privately, we cannot share private info or contact info in the form, etc. if the point of this forum is to help then let’s help
Dave,
WCI isn’t espousing to help people…he is helping them. Furthermore, within reason, he even puts disclaimers up informing his readers when there may be a conflict of interest. Let’s not be too sensitive and try to make an argument out of nothing here. The overall intent of WCI from the thousands of articles and posts he’s made here and elsewhere is obvious. To call into question his views and efforts based on your interpretation of this isolated comment taken out of this context is laughable.
Looks like I got behind on the thread, but yes the policies would typically need to be from 1) Mutual Companies 2) Limited Pay policies up to Paid-up at 65 depending on age of issue. 3) The purchase price would be somewhere between the premium paid and the surrender value. If you have a specific policy that you want evaluated please provide the insureds age, policy issue date, and the most recent statement. I believe you have my e-mail. 4) If the policy owner/insured would want to pay you for connecting them with me I guess that would be between you and them, but I would question the ethics of that transaction as it would call in to question your objectivity in recommending that they cancel/sell the policy as you would be getting paid to recommend that transaction. If you became insurance licensed I believe I could legally pay you, but I would be concerned about the ethics of you getting paid to recommend that they sell their policy. I have no problem with you getting paid or you making money, but not under the guise that you are providing objective and unbiased information. So basically for the same reason that pharmacist are not allowed to wright prescriptions and then turn around and sell the medicine, I don’t feel entering in to a “partnership” would be good for either of us. But if you are truly interested in “looking out” for the people that you have recommended cancel their policies then you should let them know that we may be able to get them 10% -%100 more than their surrender value. Let me know if I can be of assistance.
Always worth exploring. If there is anything I’ve learned about being an infopreneur is that the internet is the wild west where just about anything goes if you’re okay with it ethically.
But even 10% more is huge and 100% more is incredible. Why don’t you send me a guest post about what you would do with a relatively new policy after you bought it off someone. I guess I’m just skeptical that the viatical market for this type of policy is very big. But if it is bigger than I think, then this is a great opportunity for someone who doesn’t want their relatively new policy.
I’m obviously not going to get licensed to sell insurance, and if you don’t feel good about this sort of partnership I don’t want to proceed. But I certainly don’t think I’m going to become more negative about whole life insurance if people dumping it became a significant source of revenue. I’m not exactly known as a super-pro-whole-life guy.
Next time you advise someone to dump their whole life policy I can take a look at the particulars and give them an offer. Thanks.
A quick Google search shows there are dozens of companies offering to buy life insurance policies. What makes you a better choice? I mean, we’ve established that you’re not going to send me a guest post and thus contribute to content on the site. We’ve also established that you aren’t interested in any kind of a partnership with me. I mean, you seem nice enough but I don’t know you from Adam aside from a half dozen comments posted on a blog. Are you offering readers a better deal somehow than they can get from one of the larger viatical companies?
There are many companies that will buy life insurance policies, but not the ones that we have been discussing in this thread. These companies are usually buying Universal Life policies. And they are usually buying the policy solely in hopes of collecting the death benefit. So if you sent the typical policy holder that you have been describing to one of these other companies they wouldn’t be interested in the policies. My portfolio wouldn’t be buying them just for the death benefit, but also for the policies status as tier one capital. So to my knowledge there is no other group that would be willing to buy these specifically structured policies. And I am not clear what kind of content you would want me to provide for a blog. I am really offering a very simple and straight forward proposition. If one of your “clients” is convinced that their policy is no longer of value to them, and it is a policy that meets my criteria I will provide them with a buyout price greater than their surrender value. I really don’t know what else I could say in a blog.
You’re not buying them all personally, no? You’re selling them to someone else or packaging them into an investment and selling the investment to someone else, right? Surely you’re not the only person out there doing this. If these policies are so attractive as an investment (I’m skeptical they are), there must be many others doing it.
For instance, here’s a company that seems to indicate they’ll buy whole life policies:
http://windsorlifesettlements.com/home/?gclid=CMHQ24GUzckCFQoVfgodkOQJDA
Many types of policies can be purchased. Another example is: http://www.ovidlife.com
Check out their tab on recent cases. I don’t think these are the types of policies that your young doctors would be selling. At any rate it appears “a policy a week” may be a mirage..
Why do you think it’s a mirage? Are you suggesting I’m lying about the numbers of emails I’m getting? Read the comments section on the 20+ WL posts on this blog and count them up. And that doesn’t even count the direct emails.
Maybe I think you’re lying about your willingness to buy them since all you seem to want (for free, I might add) is the contact information for doctors who have bought a whole life policy in the past.
You’re criticizing their website while your website doesn’t even mention this as one of the services you offer. When asked to provide details, you get vague and simply say “Send them to me.” I don’t know man, it seems a little squirrelly to me. I guess I don’t believe that anyone actually wants to buy a NML 65 Whole Life policy on which 3 monthly payments have been made. How many of those have you bought in the last year?