[Editor's Comment: Today we have a republished post from Physician on FIRE, a member of The White Coat Investor Network. The original post ran here, but if you missed it the first time, it’s new to you!]
Our post-recital ice cream social was in full swing. The kids were running rampant, the leftover ice cream was slowly melting in the tubs, and the adults were enjoying some adult beverages and some non-violin music. If there’s one thing I’ve learned from children’s music recitals, it’s that the violin must be a really difficult instrument to learn to play well. Fortunately, our boys play piano.
I was chatting with another proud father, learning a little more about his line of work. He works for the local small business development corporation, funded by the federal Small Business Administration (SBA). He helps entrepreneurs start and grow small businesses. Pretty cool if you ask me.
The Investment Opportunity
Knowing that I am an avid homebrewer with a small stake in a craft brewery, he mentioned that he was working with a young man with microbrewery aspirations of his own. He had a location just off the freeway between a large city and a popular recreation area, a bargain-priced building lined up, and a solid business plan. With an SBA loan, and another $20,000, he could get this business going and the beer flowing.
After talking it over with my wife, I agreed to meet up with my friend and the young man with a plan. I was impressed with his enthusiasm and strategy, and I figured his chances of success were pretty good. On the other hand, the craft brewing market is getting saturated. But he’s not looking to be the next Sierra Nevada; he wants to serve the local and surrounding communities, and the weekend commuters who might stop off for a growler fill on their way up north. Without any nearby competition, I think he’s in a good spot.
Unfortunately, the terms of the investment were not what I would consider favorable for the investor. Rather than partial ownership or shares in the brewery, he was looking for a loan to bridge the gap between a bank loan and his own funds. The loan would be paid back incrementally after a 2-year grace period if and when the operation is deemed by the owner to be profitable.

Golden goodness
After the principal is eventually returned, a 20% bonus payment would be paid. If all goes well, I would end up seeing a return of 3% to 5%, depending on the time frame of repayment. A guaranteed return at that rate would be reasonable, but this is far from a sure thing.The loan is similar in many ways to the debt deals in crowdfunded real estate I’ve made, but the returns on those investments are about double, and the risk is almost certainly lower. I walked away from my meeting with the would-be brewer thinking it was a no-go for me.
Looking at the Investment in a Different Light
Later that evening, my SBA friend came by to enjoy an impromptu campfire we hosted, complete with marshmallows, homebrewed kombucha, and pale ale. We talked some more about the investment “opportunity” and he understood my position that it was, at face value, not the greatest proposition. Then he told me something very interesting.
“We don’t tithe,” he said, “but I’ve made investments like this as a way of giving back.” Some of them have worked out for him, and some of them haven’t. He sees making a risky investment to help someone realize a dream as a way to use money to do some good. The concept doesn’t hold water if the startup company doesn’t somehow plan to make our world a better place.
Does a microbrewery/taproom make our world a better place? That’s certainly debatable, but compared to other drinking establishments, tap rooms tend to be more family-friendly places where people gather and socialize over a beer or two. This particular brewery will also be part of an attempt to revitalize a neglected old downtown.I don’t think a brewery would qualify for any of Mr. Firestation’s charitable one more year fund, and I wouldn’t allow a brewery loan to replace any of my own charitable giving, but I understand what my SBA friend was saying. My “No” answer was now a “Maybe.” I guess he’s pretty good at his job.
I decided that $20,000 was too rich for my blood, but I could maybe part with $10,000 if the investment could produce something more tangible than a subpar return for my money. Other investors had a more intimate interest; they were family members and community members, but I live 90 miles away and barely know the guy.
When Life Hands You an Investment Lemon…
Make beer.
A lightbulb popped into place, hovering right above my head. What about beer dividends? My ownership stake in the other brewery entitles to me to a couple free beers in the tap room. Unfortunately, I now live over 500 miles away from that brewery, so free beer doesn’t happen as often as I’d like. I completed my brainstorm, which has now been incorporated into our mutually agreed upon investor agreement as “Section 5.4 Beer Allowance.”
When life hands you lemons, make lemonade. Or make beer. My once not-so-great investment now includes a keg of beer for life, or at least the life of the brewery. I’ll even have my very own tap handle to install on my keezer, and I’ll probably take my 15.5 gallons annually in three 5-gallon Cornelius kegs, which is how I serve my homebrew, and a half-gallon growler if I want to squeeze out every last drop I’ve got coming to me.
Thinking outside the box scored me a fun perk that would not have been offered or considered otherwise. The perk also gives me a reason to go a little out of my way to visit the brewery to see how my dollars are being spent. I’ll be more involved on a personal level than I would be if I invested in a multi-unit housing in Coral Gables, Florida, even if the latter offers a better return.
Last year, I did something similar when I bartered our sectional sofa to a restaurateur in exchange for a $500 gift certificate to his restaurant. I couldn’t have asked for nearly as much in cash, but he liked the idea of the trade at that price. My family and I enjoyed a quality dinner at his joint the other night, and the bartered sofa will continue to provide good meals and more for months or perhaps years to come. Did I mention that his restaurant has 16 craft beers on draft?
In a show of serendipity, the S&P 500 dropped 1.6% in the four trading days after my check to the fledgling brewery was cashed. In other words, I’m already $160 ahead of where I would be if I had bought some VFIAX instead. Cheers!
Have you made investments that didn't quite make sense by the numbers but still did it to help someone realize a dream or as an effort to give back to the community? Would you recommend it as a good way of “giving back”? Comment below!
POF, I’m happy to see that you are having fun with your play money.
Philanthropy is a good thing, but will this change your timeline for FI in any way? I’m assuming it will not as the amount of money involved is so small.
Cheers! May your young friend find great success in his new venture!
Good question, WBD.
This investment won’t make or break the FIRE timeline. If I were to start playing with $100,000 at a time, it would be a different story.
Personally, I have chosen to delay retiring early to build up a donor advised fund, which has a balance about 25 times the size of this brewery investment. That will allow me to do more true philanthropic giving throughout retirement. I’m also building up my online business with a pledge to donate half of my profits.
I can look forward to a lifetime of small-time philanthropy (and free beer).
Cheers!
-PoF
I wrote a book about a local road race celebrating the race focuses on why poeple run it every year. I collected their stories, edited and compiled them, commissioned cover art, hired a book type setter, and a professional editor.
I printed about 4000 copies and my business plan gave half the profits to the race which supported Special Olympics and youth running programs.
I only sold about a thousand. Storage, fulfillment, and the production and printing costs exceeded the revenue. I let the race organization keep all the monies from the ones they sold.
It was an interesting learning experience, but I think I lost $10,000. I made financial errors at almost every level of the project. It was worth it for the education on what not to do. Had I only printed a thousand, it would have made some money, but not much.
I sold it on Amazon for a while, but the cost of the book, mailing it out and the trip to the post office exceeded the amount they paid me per sale. Eventually, I gave away about three thousand books.
Well, at least you tried, and you obviously had good intentions.
Doing something similar today would be less costly with the advent of print-on-demand and FBA (fulfille by Amazon) shipping. Relating to yesterday’s post celebrating capitalism, business has since solved some of the headaches you encountered.
Cheers!
-PoF
I have about a dozen startups that I’ve invested in over the past five years. I went into each dealing with the understanding that I’d likely not get any return on the “investment”. But, I had a nice exit from my own business in 2014 and I wanted to help support a few early stage entrepreneurs to help them get off the ground. #NoRegrets
I’ll bet you’re having fun with those startups, too. It’s exciting to be a part of something new. If only one or two of the dozen businesses go on to become successful small businesses, you may be OK or better when the dust settles.
Cheers!
-PoF
I thought I would be reading here only, but after the third comment I realize that I too have donated in an odd way by running for public office. However, I never presumed that I would make a profit had I won a job that will, only part time supposedly, pay less than a third of what I could get as a doctor and would require me to pay rent in the capital city several nights some weeks. At least the place is cheap enough I might actually get a hotel for $50 a night.
And I continue to donate to candidates but definitely do not consider that an investment. Even should some winning candidate name me as the state or local public health doctor, it would be a losing proposition.
An atheist candidate who ran for governor of a state (just to challenge the law that atheists could not run) was asked what he would do first should he win. His reply: “Demand a recount!”
Keg of beer for life stipulation? This guy gets it.
My office retirement plan made a similar deal many years ago. We invested in a fitness club that was starting up. In addition to ownership, each of our office employees got a free membership for life. There is a lot of value in a fitness club membership if you use it. Today the value of our investment has not grown, but we reaped much benefit by the membership.
Dr. Cory S. Fawcett
Prescription for Financial Success
Outside of the Box indeed. I’ll keep this in mind next time I need some cash.
I like your friends’ unorthodox approach to charitable giving too. I haven’t been approached with any investment ops yet, but when it happens maybe I’ll bite after reading this post.
I’m curious why POF felt that an equity stake or shares would make any difference for the investment. Having been on both sides of small biz financing many times, you quickly learn that minority ownership in a small, lifestyle business is effectively worthless. The only real “value” is bragging rights about being involved in the first place.
That’s why almost every angel investment is made as a loan, convertible note, buy back options or (my personal favorite) royalty financing. Or charitable “gift” (as I prefer to view it) since expecting any of these types of investments to pay off is usually a low-level fantasy. Unfortunately, since the SBA financing wasn’t sufficient, it’s almost guaranteed this startup will have cashflow problems due to debt servicing. Whenever I looked a SBA programs for acquiring an existing business, it translated to getting enough loan money buy and operate the business without any owner payout for 3-5 years. Not an ideal situation for most people.
Cool. Though this post shatters one of my assumptions about WCI, given his state of residence is Utah… Beer + Utah? Does this have to be a ‘club’?
You know I didn’t write the post, right? This is a WCI Network post from Physician on FIRE, who brews his own and is quite a beer connoisseur. While I’ve bought him a beer before, I’m not a drinker.
POF,
Live in lakes country area of MN. LOVE craft beer and the Sota options are pretty good. Which brewery, by chance, you affiliated with?
To the poster about WCI being a “club.” Haha, having taken many ski trips to little/big cottonwoods over past couple years I have to laugh at any UT ski bar in comparison with a goo ski bar in CO, MT, WY, ID or any lake bar in the midwest. Honestly, I’d easily argue that UT is worst state to consume alcohol in US. Their “craft cocktail” bars are laughable comparably.
Hard for me to argue otherwise, having not spent much time in ski bars and not even knowing what a craft cocktail bar is. I’m not sure why someone would expect awesome bars in Utah though. That’s kind of like looking for hiking in Western Kansas. Yes, you can do it, but no connoisseur is going there for that reason.
Before any ‘Sundancers’ disagree, please rest assured that any reflected glory on alcohol there is generally purely location driven. High West, for instance, couldn’t hold a candle to so many cocktail bars spread across the US. But, they’re in PC and sorta-ski in/out (loosely), hence they can upmarket themselves as elite when they’re really just ok/good.
The food at High West is pretty darn good, and I find their Bourbon and Rye at many higher end establishments here in FL and elsewhere, so that speaks to their quality IMO. But I will agree with your overall point–we flew in on a Sunday and headed up to PC…High west could’ve been serving sewage and I woulda paid to have the privilege
Back to regularly scheduled financial/investment discussions. Apologize for brief interlude.