By Dr. Jim Dahle, WCI Founder
Setting up a Backdoor Roth IRA can be confusing, so I thought I’d put together a tutorial on the steps people can refer to when they go through this process. Let's get started.
Table of Contents
- What Is a Backdoor Roth IRA?
- Who Should Do a Backdoor Roth IRA?
- When to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA?
- Backdoor Roth IRA Pros and Cons
- Backdoor Roth IRA Tax Implications
- Backdoor Roth IRA Steps
- How to Fix and Prevent Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
- Backdoor Roth IRA FAQs
What Is a Backdoor Roth IRA?
Despite its name, a Backdoor Roth IRA is not an account; it is a process with two steps:
- Contribute to a Traditional IRA.
- Complete a Roth conversion.
If you understand the rules of both of these steps, putting them together is no problem.
Who Should Do a Backdoor Roth IRA
Remember that if you are a low earner you can just contribute DIRECTLY to a Roth IRA and skip this Backdoor Roth IRA process.
Roth IRA Limits and Conversion Rules
Low earner is defined as a Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) under a phaseout range in 2024 of $146,000-$161,000 ($230,000-$240,000 Married Filing Jointly). Some docs—like residents, employee dentists, part-timers, and even some medical attendings in the lower-paying specialties who are married to a non-earner—can just contribute to a Roth IRA directly.
Anyone who earns at least $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) can contribute $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) to an IRA [2024]. If your income is below a MAGI of $146,000-$161,000 ($230,000-$240,000 Married Filing Jointly), you can contribute directly to a Roth IRA. If you have a retirement plan offered to you at work and your MAGI is below $77,000-$87,000 ($123,000-$143,000 Married Filing Jointly), you can deduct your traditional IRA contributions. Since most readers of this blog have a retirement plan through their job and have (or soon will have) a MAGI over $240,000, they will find that they can't make direct Roth IRA contributions or deduct their traditional IRA contributions. Thus, their best IRA option is the Backdoor Roth IRA process, i.e., an indirect Roth IRA contribution.
Spousal IRAs
Married physicians should be using a personal and a spousal Roth IRA, and you will usually need to fund both indirectly (i.e., through the Backdoor). This provides an additional $7,000 each ($8,000 for each spouse that is 50+) of tax-protected and (in most states) asset-protected space per tax year, and it allows for more tax diversification in retirement. Tax diversification allows you to determine your own tax rate as a retiree by deciding how much to take from tax-deferred (traditional) accounts and how much from tax-free (Roth) accounts. Remember that IRA stands for INDIVIDUAL Retirement Arrangement, so even if the pro-rata rule (discussed below) keeps you from doing the Backdoor Roth IRA, it doesn't necessarily keep your spouse from doing so. Each spouse reports their Backdoor Roth IRA on their own separate 8606, so the tax return for a married couple doing Backdoor Roth IRAs should always include two Form 8606s.
Married Filing Separately
The contribution and deduction income limits are particularly low if you are filing your taxes Married Filing Separately (MFS). Both the ability to contribute directly to a Roth IRA and the ability to deduct a traditional IRA contribution if you (or your spouse) are eligible for a retirement plan at work phase out between $0 and $10,000. Basically, the best option for anyone filing their taxes MFS is the Backdoor Roth IRA process, i.e., an indirect Roth IRA contribution.
There is an exception to these rules if you do not actually live with your spouse. In that case, your ability to contribute directly to a Roth IRA phases out between a MAGI of $146,000-$161,000 in 2024. If you live separately and are not covered by a retirement plan at work, you can deduct a traditional IRA contribution no matter your income. You can still do a Backdoor Roth IRA process in these situations where your IRA contribution is either partially or completely deductible. The tax bill will be precisely the same: $0 when done properly. However, instead of having no tax cost for either the contribution or the conversion, your deduction on the contribution will precisely equal the tax cost on the conversion, resulting in that same $0 tax bill for the entire process.
Mega Backdoor Roth IRA
A Mega Backdoor Roth IRA is completely different from a regular Backdoor Roth IRA. Despite its name, you actually do a Mega Backdoor Roth IRA with a 401(k), not an IRA. It requires a 401(k) that accepts both after-tax (not Roth) employee contributions and allows for either in-service withdrawals (and thus conversions to a Roth IRA) or, more commonly, in-plan conversions. Using the Mega Backdoor Roth IRA process, one could put as much as $69,000 ($76,500 if 50+) [2024] per year into a Roth 401(k) (or possibly a Roth IRA in addition to your usual $7,000-$8.000 contribution). However, this process has nothing to do with the Backdoor Roth IRA process we are discussing in this post.
When to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA
Lots of people wonder about the timing of a Backdoor Roth IRA.
IRA Contribution Deadline
There is really only one deadline to meet with the Backdoor Roth IRA process. IRA contributions for a given tax year must take place between January 1 of the tax year and April 15 (even if you file an extension) of the following year.
Backdoor Roth IRA Conversion Deadline
The conversion step may take place at any time. It can take place the next day or even the same day as the contribution. I don't recommend it, but you can wait months, years, or even decades between the contribution and the conversion step. There is no deadline for Roth conversions. If you need to perform a rollover or a conversion of a traditional, rollover, SEP, or SIMPLE IRA in order to avoid the pro-rata rule, you have until December 31 of the year you do the conversion step.
When Should You Contribute and Convert?
You should do both steps as soon as possible. Many white coat investors do the IRA contribution step and the Roth conversion step the first week of January each year. This maximizes the amount of tax-free compounding that can occur on those dollars. Minimizing the time between contribution and conversion and doing both steps within the calendar year is not required, but it certainly simplifies the paperwork.
Want to really make your paperwork complicated? Contribute to your IRA each month and convert it each month. Then, you have 12 contributions and 12 conversions to keep track of each year. Seriously, though, if you make enough money that you have to contribute to your Roth IRA(s) through the Backdoor Roth IRA process, you make enough to do it at one time each year.
Can I Do a Backdoor Roth IRA Every Year?
Yes. My wife and I have done one every year since 2010 and do not plan to stop until we no longer have any earned income. It is just one of the investment chores we perform once a year.
5-Year Rule
One factor that may push you to do a Backdoor Roth IRA earlier is the five-year rule. Now, there are at least three five-year rules related to IRAs, but the main one to pay attention to here is the five-year rule after a Roth conversion. This rule determines whether the withdrawal of principal from the account prior to age 59 1/2 will be penalty-free. The five-year period starts on January 1 of the year you do the conversion, so it could be a little less than five years. Roth IRA principal generally comes out tax- and penalty-free (it is only the earnings that may be subject to penalties), but that is only the case after the five-year rule has been fulfilled.
In essence, if you do a conversion of a Roth IRA at age 51, you can then withdraw the principal tax- and penalty-free starting at age 56 rather than age 59 1/2. This can provide funding for living expenses to early retirees. If you do a Roth conversion at age 57, you still get access to that principal (and earnings) tax- and penalty-free at age 59 1/2. So, it's five years or age 59 1/2, whichever comes first.
There is also a completely separate five-year rule on IRA contributions, but this starts from the time you make your very first IRA contribution, not every contribution, so it should not apply to most early retirees.
Backdoor Roth IRA Pros and Cons
There are a lot of great things about the Backdoor Roth IRA, but it isn't all peaches and cream.
Pros of Backdoor Roth IRA
The main benefit of a Backdoor Roth IRA is that it provides you with another retirement account. Via the Backdoor Roth IRA process, you can continue to contribute to a Roth IRA even after your earnings rise above the income limit for direct Roth IRA contributions. Retirement accounts eliminate the tax drag that applies in a taxable, or non-qualified account, reducing your taxes and allowing your investment to grow at a higher rate so you can reach your goals sooner.
How much can that tax protection be worth compared to a taxable account? It depends on the return of the underlying investment, its tax efficiency, and the amount of time the money is left in the account. At my marginal tax rate, $10,000 earning 8% in a tax-inefficient investment over 50 years would grow to $469,000 in a Roth IRA but only $88,000 in a taxable account. More realistically, over 30 years, the use of a Roth IRA vs. a taxable account for a tax-efficient investment would still result in 29% more money.
Retirement accounts ensure simple estate planning. By using beneficiaries, that money does not go through the probate process, so your heirs get it sooner with less hassle, more privacy, and no cost. They can even stretch the tax-protected growth benefit for another decade after they inherit the account. Retirement accounts like a Roth IRA also provide substantial asset protection in most states, meaning that in the admittedly very rare event of a dramatically above-policy limits judgment that isn't reduced on appeal, you can declare bankruptcy and still keep what is in your retirement accounts. Roth money is tax-free forever, so by continuing to contribute each year, you can increase tax diversification in retirement.
Cons of Backdoor Roth IRA
Roth IRAs, even when you contribute via the Backdoor Roth IRA process, are still retirement accounts with all of their downsides. Retirement accounts limit the investments you can put in them and prohibit the use of margin investing. If you withdraw Roth IRA earnings prior to age 59 1/2 without an approved exception, you will owe a 10% penalty.
Due to the pro-rata rule (see below), the Backdoor Roth IRA process requires you to either convert or roll over into a 401(k) any traditional IRAs, SEP-IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs you may have. If you have self-employment income, you will need to use a solo 401(k) instead of a SEP-IRA to shelter that income from taxes. Doing Backdoor Roth IRAs each year also adds one form (IRS Form 8606) per spouse to your tax return. If preparing your own taxes using tax software, it can be tricky to ensure the software reports the process correctly. If you do a Backdoor Roth IRA instead of (rather than in addition to) maxing out your tax-deferred accounts during your peak earnings years, that can also be a mistake that results in the accumulation of less money.
Perhaps most significantly, there are now two steps to getting money into your Roth IRA each year instead of just one. While I think the process is pretty darn simple, I am continually amazed at all of the unique ways that doctors manage to screw it up. Later in this article, I'll show you how to fix all of those screwups.
Is a Backdoor Roth IRA Worth It?
Yes! Most of the time. It really is just a little bit of hassle to do each year, although there may be some additional hassle the first year if you need to take care of another IRA first to avoid the pro-rata rule. There may be times when someone has a large traditional IRA they cannot afford to convert to a Roth IRA and cannot roll over into a 401(k) because they don't have a 401(k) at all, their 401(k) charges high fees, or because the IRA assets are invested in something they cannot invest in within a 401(k). If your employer-provided retirement account is a SIMPLE IRA or a SEP-IRA, the Backdoor Roth IRA process is also probably not worth it. Finally, some multi-millionaires don't want to bother with even the minor hassle of the Backdoor Roth IRA process because getting an extra $7,000-$16,000 a year into Roth accounts just isn't going to move the needle for them.
Backdoor Roth IRA Tax Implications
Roth IRAs are all about avoiding taxation on earnings, so naturally, there are lots of tax implications of this process.
Pro-Rata Rule
The most important tax implication to be aware of is the pro-rata rule. I would estimate that 90%+ of Backdoor Roth IRA screwups involve the investor having his or her conversion pro-rated. When you report a Roth IRA conversion on IRS Form 8606 (see below), there is a pro-rata calculation made. The numerator is the amount converted. The denominator is the total of ALL traditional, rollover, SEP, and SIMPLE IRAs, but not 401(k)s, 403(b)s, 457(b)s, Roth IRAs, or inherited IRAs. Therefore, it is critical that you DO SOMETHING with any IRA balance you have PRIOR to December 31 of the year in which you do a Roth conversion of after-tax money. Later in this article, I'll describe the exact options you have for what to do with this money.
Tax on Backdoor Roth IRA Conversion
Done properly, there is NO tax on a Backdoor Roth IRA conversion. Zero. Nada. Zilch. While the money you put into a Roth IRA (indirectly via the Backdoor in this case) was taxed when you earned it, it is NOT taxed when you contribute it directly to a Roth IRA or when you contribute it as a non-deductible IRA conversion or when you subsequently convert that money to a Roth IRA. In fact, it is never taxed again.
Do I Need to Worry About the Step Transaction Doctrine?
There used to be a concern that the IRS would have a problem with the Backdoor Roth due to an IRS rule called The Step Transaction Doctrine. This rule basically says that if the sum of a bunch of legal steps is illegal, then you can’t do it. Some wondered if this Backdoor conversion from a Traditional IRA to Roth was a legal transaction considering this doctrine. Those concerns, valid or not, are no longer an issue. The IRS clarified in early 2018 that no waiting period is required between the contribution and conversion steps of the Backdoor Roth IRA. It has essentially given its blessing on the whole process. Waiting just makes things more complicated on the 8606, as discussed in Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA.
How to Report a Backdoor Roth IRA on TurboTax
Reporting the Backdoor Roth IRA properly on TurboTax is unfortunately even more complicated than filling out Form 8606 by hand. The key to doing it right is to recognize that you report the conversion step in the Income section but you report the contribution step in the Deductions and Credits section. Since you generally do the income section first, you report the conversion before you report the contribution, even though you actually did the contribution before the conversion. At the end, you want to look at the Form(s) 8606 that TurboTax generates, just like you would check up on one filled out by an accountant.
More information here:
How to Report a Backdoor Roth IRA on TurboTax
Backdoor Roth IRA Steps, Tutorials, and Walkthroughs
In this section, we'll explain exactly how to do the Backdoor Roth IRA process and how to report it on your tax return, whether you file on paper or using tax software. You can easily walk through these Backdoor Roth IRA steps at Vanguard, complete a Backdoor Roth at Fidelity, or knock out a Backdoor Roth IRA at Schwab, three of the most popular brokerage/mutual fund companies.
How to Perform and Report on Paper the Backdoor Roth IRA Process
While it is really just a two-step process, it is best to think of it as a six-step process. These steps don't all have to be done in order (it might be easier to do Step 3 before Step 1), but they will all need to be done.
Step #1 Contribute to a Traditional IRA
Make a $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) non-deductible traditional IRA contribution for yourself and one for your spouse. You can use the same traditional IRA accounts every year—they just spend most of the time with $0 in them. Most fund companies, including Vanguard, don’t close the account just because there is nothing in it. I do this every January 2.
Step #2 Leave the Money in Cash
An account like a traditional IRA is not an investment, of course; just like a suitcase isn't clothing. When putting money in a traditional IRA, you also have to tell the IRA provider how you want to invest. In this case, just leave the money in cash, whether a money market fund or a settlement fund. At Vanguard, the settlement fund is the Federal Money Market Fund. You really don't want to have any gains (or especially any losses) between the contribution and conversion step because it makes the paperwork more complicated. The best way to minimize the gains is to leave it in cash (and then of course to do the conversion as soon after contribution as possible to minimize the “pennies” issue).
Step #3 Convert the Traditional IRA to a Roth IRA
Next, convert the non-deductible traditional IRA to a Roth IRA by transferring the money from your traditional IRA into your Roth IRA at the same fund company. If you don’t already have a Roth IRA there, you’ll need to open one. This can be done in a minute or two online at Vanguard, and it is essentially the same process as opening the traditional IRA. I do this the very next day after I make the contribution. It is very straightforward. When you transfer the money, the website will throw up a scary banner saying something like “THIS IS A TAXABLE EVENT.” That’s true. It is taxable. But the tax bill will be zero since you’ve already paid taxes on the $7,000 and couldn’t claim your contribution as a deduction because you make too much money. You can do Step 3 basically immediately after Step 1. Some companies will let you do it the same day. Other companies will make you wait until the next day or even a week or so. But there is no reason to wait months to do it.
Step #4 Invest the Money
Now you will need to select an investment for the money in your Roth IRA. If you already have an investment in there, you can simply add $7,000 to it. Otherwise, you will need to select an investment in accordance with your written investing plan. If you do not have a written investing plan yet, you can leave the money in cash or put it into a Target Retirement 2050 fund or another lifecycle fund until you get that part of your financial plan worked out.
Step #5 Beware of the Pro-Rata Rule
Get rid of any SEP-IRA, SIMPLE IRA, traditional IRA, or rollover IRA money. The total sum of these accounts on December 31 of the year in which you do the conversion step (Step 2) must be zero to avoid a “pro-rata” calculation (see line 6 on Form 8606) that can eliminate most of the benefit of a Backdoor Roth IRA.
You can get rid of these IRA accounts in three ways:
- Withdraw the money (not recommended, as the money would be subject to tax and/or penalties, not to mention DECREASING your tax-advantaged/asset-protected investment space).
- Convert the entire sum to a Roth IRA. Only recommended if it is a relatively small amount and you can afford to pay the taxes out of current earnings or taxable investments with relatively high basis.
- Roll the money over into a 401(k), 403(b), or individual 401(k). 401(k)s don’t count in the aforementioned pro-rata calculation. Some physicians even open an individual 401(k) at Fidelity, eTrade, or Vanguard (rollovers from traditional IRAs to solo 401(k)s is a recent addition to Vanguard) in order to facilitate a Backdoor Roth IRA.
Step #6 Fill Out IRS Form 8606 Correctly
The next part of the Backdoor Roth IRA is done months later when you (or your accountant) fill out your IRS Form 8606 on your taxes. Don't forget to do it or there is a $50 penalty. Remember that you need one form for each spouse: INDIVIDUAL Retirement Arrangements. You need to double-check this to make sure it is done right, even if you hire a pro to avoid screwing up this part. Advisors have told me that they have had to help clients fix dozens of these that tax preparers have done improperly. If you don't do it right, you'll pay taxes twice on your Backdoor Roth IRA contribution.
Page 1 (below) shows a “distribution” from your non-deductible IRA. Since the money was already taxed, the taxable amount on your distribution is zero. Line 1 is your non-deductible contribution. On Line 2, your basis is zero because you had no money in a traditional IRA on December 31 of last year (if you've been carrying a non-deductible IRA for years, this may not be zero). Line 6 is zero in a typical year. Note that TurboTax may fill this out a little differently (may leave lines 6-12 blank), but you end up with the same thing. Line 13 is the same as line 3, so the tax due is zero.
Here's an example from the 2023 version of Form 8606.
On page 2 (below), you are showing the Roth conversion. I'm not really sure why you have to do this twice (since you're just transferring the amounts from lines 8 and 11 and then subtracting them), but that's what the form calls for. As you can see, a Roth conversion of a non-deductible traditional IRA contribution without any gains is a taxable event; it's just that the tax bill is zero for it.
When double-checking your tax preparer's work, you want to concentrate on lines 2, 14, 15c, and 18, and make sure they're a very small amount, like zero, and not a very large amount, like $7,000. The form can get more complicated if you are doing other Roth conversions at the same time or if you made a contribution for the previous year (i.e., made your 2022 contribution in 2023). See below for more details.
Notice how there is no place on the form to put the date when you made the contribution or the date when you made the conversion. It isn't on the form your IRA custodian sends to the IRS (1099-R) either.
Do It All Again Next Year
You do not have to wait any period of time between the contribution and conversion. Each year, I make my Traditional IRA contribution on January 2, then convert it to a Roth IRA the next day or within a few days. That gets my investment money working as soon as possible and simplifies the record keeping. Vanguard won’t let you do it the same day (sometimes other providers will), so I have to wait one day anyway. Occasionally they'll make you wait up to a week. If you find you have a few pennies left in the account and are worried you'll get pro-rated, take a look at this post: Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA.
More information here:
How to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA with Vanguard
How to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA at Fidelity
How to Fix and Prevent Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
In this section, we're going to talk about how to fix and prevent common mistakes in the Backdoor Roth IRA process. To better organize these mistakes, we will break down the process into the six very clear steps used above and then will explain possible errors with each step and what to do about them.
6 Steps to Successfully Contribute to a Backdoor Roth IRA
- Step 1 – Contribute to traditional IRA ($7,000, $8,000 if 50+ for 2024).
- Step 2 – Invest the money in a money market fund.
- Step 3 – Move money from a Traditional IRA to a Roth IRA (i.e., a Roth conversion).
- Step 4 – Invest in your preferred investment (typically a stock, bond, or balanced index mutual fund).
- Step 5 – Ensure you have no money in a traditional IRA, SEP-IRA, or SIMPLE IRA on December 31 of the year you do the CONVERSION step.
- Step 6 – Report the transactions correctly on your taxes by filling out Form 8606.
Seriously. That's it. If you can do a cholecystectomy, you can do this. If you can work up a pulmonary embolus appropriately, you can do this. If you can manage hypertension well, you can do this. If you can fill a cavity, you can do this. Super easy.
However, people still manage to screw up on EACH of those six steps. Let's go through the mistakes people make, step by step.
How to Fix Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
Step 1 Error – Contributing Directly to a Roth IRA
An error that commonly occurs with a first Backdoor Roth IRA is that people simply don't realize that their income is too high to make a direct Roth IRA contribution. Instead of doing it indirectly (i.e., going through the Backdoor), which is no big deal even if you're under the limit, they contribute directly to a Roth IRA. Then they realize their Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) is over $146,000-$161,000 ($230,000-$240,000 Married Filing Jointly) for 2024. Now what?
Enter the Recharacterization
If you have made this error, now you have to recharacterize the Roth IRA contribution to a traditional IRA contribution. This basically makes it as though you never contributed to a Roth IRA but contributed to a traditional IRA instead. You usually have to call your IRA provider to get this done, but it's no big deal. In this section, I'll walk you through the details of how to do it.
You have until the due date of your tax return to do this (including extensions). So, if you made an IRA contribution in January of 2023 for the 2023 tax year, you have until October 15, 2024, to do a recharacterization. There's no penalty or anything to do it. You can do the opposite as well if you contributed to a traditional IRA but meant to contribute directly to a Roth IRA.
Bear in mind that starting in 2018, you can no longer do recharacterizations of Roth CONVERSIONS (not contributions). This eliminated the “Roth IRA Conversion Horserace” technique for tax reduction.
Until only a couple of years ago, I had thought there was a waiting period after a recharacterization to then reconvert the money to a Roth IRA. However, that rule was only for recharacterizations of conversions, not contributions. There has never been a waiting period for a recharacterization.
Any gains that occur before the final conversion are, of course, fully taxable at your ordinary income tax rate in the year of the final conversion.
The Income Limit
The first thing to determine is whether this post even applies to you. If your income is below a certain amount, you can just contribute directly to a Roth IRA. That amount depends on several things. First, it is a MODIFIED Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI). That number is very similar to your Adjusted Gross Income (AGI). Remember how tax Form 1040 works.
The first income line you come to is line 7b, your “Total Income.” When people think about income, this is generally what they think of. The third income line on the form is line 11b. This is your “Taxable Income.” This is what your tax bill is actually calculated from. It is basically your total income minus all of your deductions. In between those two, on line 8b, is another income, your “Adjusted Gross Income.” This is “the line” that people are talking about when they use the phrases “above-the-line deduction” and “below-the-line deduction.” If it comes out before your AGI is calculated, it is an above-the-line deduction. These are deductions such as self-employment tax, self-employed retirement plans, self-employed health insurance premiums, HSA contributions, student loan interest, alimony, tuition, and any IRA deductions. If it comes out after your AGI is calculated, it is a below-the-line deduction. These are EITHER your standard deduction OR your itemized deductions, like mortgage interest, state/local/property taxes, and charitable contributions. A MAGI is just a slight tweak to your AGI.
Below are the MAGI limits for direct Roth IRA contributions [2024]. If your MAGI is below the first number, you can just contribute to a Roth IRA directly. If your MAGI is over the second number, you cannot contribute at all. If your MAGI is between the two numbers, you can make a partial direct contribution (most shouldn't bother with this, just do it all through the Backdoor).
- Married Filing Separately (and lived with spouse for at least part of the year): $0-$10,000
- Married Filing Jointly: $230,000-$240,000
- Single or Head of Household: $146,000-$161,000
If you think you'll be anywhere close to that first number, do yourself a favor and just make your Roth IRA contribution indirectly, i.e., through the Backdoor (contribute to a traditional IRA and then convert that contribution to a Roth IRA). Since 2010, there has been no income limit on Roth conversions and there has never been an income limit on traditional IRA contributions, just your ability to deduct them.
How does a MAGI differ from an AGI? It's a very slight difference. Bear in mind that there are other MAGIs out there. We're only talking about the one that affects Roth IRA contributions here. But to get your MAGI, you simply take your AGI, subtract some income from it, and add back in some other income to it. The worksheet showing you how to do this is Worksheet 2-1 in Publication 590.
Basically, you subtract income from a Roth conversion and you add income from IRA deductions (not sure why you'd have this), student loan interest (if you are using this worksheet, you probably don't have this), tuition deduction (you probably don't have this), a couple of rare deductions for foreign income/deductions (you probably don't have these), some savings bond interest you probably don't have much of, and some employer-provided adoption benefits. For most people, your MAGI = your AGI since all of these deductions are pretty rare for the folks worried about this limit for direct Roth IRA contributions. So, focus on your AGI. That means if you contributed directly to a Roth IRA but late in the year realized you probably should not have, one easy fix is to get your AGI below that limit by contributing to an HSA or a self-employed retirement plan like an individual 401(k) or SEP-IRA. Note that giving a bunch of money to charity is NOT a solution to this problem because that is a below-the-line deduction.
How to Do an IRA Recharacterization
If you can't get your MAGI low enough, you will have to do an IRA recharacterization. As far as the IRS is concerned, a recharacterization is as though you never made the Roth IRA contribution at all but made a traditional IRA contribution instead. You don't report a recharacterization separately; you just report a traditional IRA contribution. Keep in mind as you read on the internet about recharacterizations that there used to be two types of them—a recharacterization of a Roth IRA CONTRIBUTION and a recharacterization of a Roth IRA CONVERSION. The second type was outlawed in 2018, but the first one, the one we're talking about today, is still perfectly legal. If you decide you want to undo a Roth conversion these days, you're simply out of luck. Here is how you do a recharacterization of a Roth IRA contribution:
- You tell Vanguard (or wherever your IRAs are) to recharacterize the Roth IRA contribution to a Traditional IRA contribution.
Yup. That's it. The brokerage takes care of the rest. You can read all about all of the rules in Publication 590 Chapter 1 if you want, but that's basically what they say. Don't believe me? Fine. Here are the IRS instructions:
How Do You Recharacterize a Contribution?
To recharacterize a contribution, you must notify both the trustee of the first IRA (the one to which the contribution was actually made) and the trustee of the second IRA (the one to which the contribution is being moved) that you have elected to treat the contribution as having been made to the second IRA rather than the first. You must make the notifications by the date of the transfer. Only one notification is required if both IRAs are maintained by the same trustee. The notification(s) must include all of the following information:
- The type and amount of the contribution to the first IRA that is to be recharacterized.
- The date on which the contribution was made to the first IRA and the year for which it was made.
- A direction to the trustee of the first IRA to transfer in a trustee-to-trustee transfer the amount of the contribution and any net income (or loss) allocable to the contribution to the trustee of the second IRA.
- The name of the trustee of the first IRA and the name of the trustee of the second IRA.
- Any additional information needed to make the transfer.
In most cases, the net income you must transfer is determined by your IRA trustee or custodian.
See what I mean? It's just a phone call. Any earnings that the account had in between the contribution and the recharacterization just go over with the contribution. No big deal.
You have until your tax filing date to do this. Most of the time, that's April 15 of the next year. However, the IRS is even more lenient than that. You actually can do this for an extra six months after your tax filing date, but you will have to refile your return.
Where Do You Report a Recharacterization?
If you hire somebody else to prepare your taxes, you can skip this section. If you do it yourself, you'll need to make sure you report this correctly. According to Pub 590, you report it on our old friend Form 8606.
Pub 590 says this:
Actually, that's really misleading. If you read Form 8606, you will see that the only time it ever mentions a recharacterization is to tell you NOT to put it on the form.
So, what is Pub 590 talking about? They're talking about this section in the 8606 instructions:
Reporting recharacterizations.
Treat any recharacterized IRA contribution as though the amount of the contribution was originally contributed to the second IRA, not the first IRA. For the recharacterization, you must transfer the amount of the original contribution plus any related earnings or less any related loss. In most cases, your IRA trustee or custodian figures the amount of the related earnings you must transfer. If you need to figure the related earnings, see How Do You Recharacterize a Contribution? in chapter 1 of Pub. 590-A. Treat any earnings or loss that occurred in the first IRA as having occurred in the second IRA. You can’t deduct any loss that occurred while the funds were in the first IRA . . . Report the nondeductible traditional IRA portion of the recharacterized contribution, if any, on Form 8606, Part I. Don’t report the Roth IRA contribution (whether or not you recharacterized all or part of it) on Form 8606. Attach a statement to your return explaining the recharacterization. If the recharacterization occurred in 2023, include the amount transferred from the traditional IRA on 2023 Form 1040, 1040-SR, or 1040-NR, line 4a. If the recharacterization occurred in 2024, report the amount transferred only in the attached statement, and not on your 2023 or 2024 tax return.
The bottom line is that you just report this recharacterized contribution on Form 8606 as if it were the regular old non-deductible traditional IRA contribution that you should have made in the first place. You also need to include a statement. What should your statement look like? I would write something like this:
“To whom it may concern:
I made a 2024 Roth IRA contribution of $7,000 on March 13, 2024, because I didn't know about the whole MAGI limit thing when I made the contribution. After becoming smarter, I recharacterized $7,137.14 (original contribution plus earnings) to a traditional IRA on November 4, 2024. Thank you for helping our country fund its government. You're the best.
Hugs and kisses from your favorite taxpayer,
James Dahle”
Seriously, it doesn't say what has to be on the statement, just that there is one “explaining the recharacterization.” You don't even have to tell them why you did the recharacterization. If you had a loss in the account between contribution and recharacterization, no big deal. It's still as though you made a $7,000 contribution to a traditional IRA and THEN it lost money. If you were able to deduct the contribution (you probably can't) you would get a $7,000 deduction. The IRA provider may also send you a Form 5498 (which has the recharacterized amount on line 4), but you don't actually do anything with it when you file your taxes. It's just an informational return.
Reconverting the IRA
Here is where it gets interesting. You've now fixed your mistake in the eyes of the IRS, going from an illegal Roth IRA contribution to a legal traditional IRA contribution (that is probably not deductible for you). But you aren't done with what you meant to do, which is put money into a Roth IRA. You now need to do a Roth conversion. You do it just like you normally would as if you had contributed originally to the Traditional IRA. You can do it the very next day if you like. You can probably even do it the same day; just make sure there is a paper trail showing the money was actually in the traditional IRA at some point. There used to be a waiting period after a recharacterization before you could do a Roth conversion on that money. But that waiting period only ever applied to the recharacterization of a Roth CONVERSION (which was no longer allowed starting in 2018) and NOT the recharacterization of a Roth CONTRIBUTION. So, there is no waiting period. Just reconvert convert it and go on your merry way.
I hope this information helps you fix your mistake. Just do your Roth IRA contributions through the Backdoor going forward, and you won't have this problem again.
Step 2 Error – Not Investing in a Money Market Fund in the Traditional IRA
What happens if you LOSE money in between the contribution and conversion step? This problem is easily avoided by using an investment like a money market fund that does not go down in value for that time period. But some people fail to do so and end up losing money. When they work their way through their IRS Form 8606, they discover they have basis left over that they can then carry forward indefinitely for years! No big deal; it just makes your paperwork more complicated. Perhaps at some point in the future, you'll do a Roth conversion of tax-deferred money and this carry-forward basis will reduce the tax on that event.
What if you MADE money in the account between contribution and conversion? This actually happens most of the time, so I wrote an entire post on it called Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA. Technically, any money earned between the contribution and conversion step is fully taxable at ordinary income tax rates in the year of the conversion. If it is less than 50 cents, you just ignore it. If it's more, you report it on your 8606 and pay taxes on it.
If it is still in the traditional IRA, either do another tiny Roth conversion or leave it there until you do next year's Backdoor Roth IRA process. Either is fine. If you were smart and just used a money market fund and did the conversion as soon as your IRA provider allowed it (usually less than a week and sometimes as early as the next day), this won't be much money and there won't be much tax due.
Step 3 Error – Forgetting to Do the Conversion
If you forgot to do the conversion step for eight months afterward, it could be a huge gain on which you're unnecessarily paying taxes. No way to fix this one, just pay your “stupid tax” and move on.
Step 4 Error – Forgetting to Invest the Roth IRA Money
Even worse than paying taxes on a huge gain is not getting the gain in the first place because you left the money sitting in cash for months. No way to fix this one either. Your “stupid tax” this time comes in the form of opportunity cost. Just get the money invested ASAP to stop the cash drag. Maybe you even got lucky and the market went down in between contribution and investment so now you get to buy low.
Step 5 Error – The Pro-Rata Rule
Some of the most common questions I get are from people who make a late contribution to a Backdoor Roth IRA. What do I mean by late? You are allowed to make an IRA contribution AFTER the calendar year ends. In fact, you have until Tax Day, usually April 15 unless you get an extension of up to six months. While it is to your advantage to contribute to retirement accounts as quickly as possible so that money can start compounding in a tax-protected way, I understand that we all have lots of good things to do with our money and sometimes this gets pushed back into the next calendar year. All it really does is complicate your paperwork a bit.
For example: if you made your 2023 IRA contribution in April 2024, instead of reporting both the contribution and the conversion on your 2023 taxes, you would report only the contribution there. The conversion would be reported on the taxes for the year you did the conversion, i.e., your 2024 tax return due in April 2025. Your 2023 IRS Form 8606 becomes a little simpler and your 2024 IRS Form 8606 becomes a little more complicated. Not a big deal if you can follow the simple instructions.
What confuses people, however, is the pro-rata rule. This is the rule that says you need to empty your traditional IRA by December 31 of the year you do the conversion. Since these folks have never filled out a Form 8606 (or apparently read the instructions), they assume that for a 2023 contribution they need to have a balance of $0 at the end of 2023, even if they didn't do the conversion step until 2024. That's simply not the case. The pro-rata rule isn't applied until the year of the conversion, i.e., December 31, 2024.
Emptying the IRAs
How do you empty those IRAs? You usually have two choices.
- Do a Roth conversion of the whole thing. This is what I generally recommend for small IRAs where the tax bill on the conversion would not be too onerous. It is quick and easy, and it increases the amount of tax-free assets you have.
- Roll the money into a 401(k) or 403(b), either that of your current employer, that of a past employer, or to your own individual 401(k) if you are self-employed. This is usually a better option if you have a large IRA where you would rather deal with the hassle than pay the tax bill during your peak earnings years.
How large is large and how small is small? It's going to vary by the person and how much disposable cash they have. Most would consider an IRA under $10,000 to be small and an IRA over $100,000 to be large. In between, it's a personal decision as to which would be better for you.
What If You Didn't Empty the IRA?
What if you screwed this one up? Your Backdoor Roth IRA conversion step just got pro-rata'd. There is a tax bill associated with that because most of your conversion was of tax-deferred money rather than post-tax money like it was supposed to be.
The fix for this is going to vary by the individual, but the easiest fix is to simply convert the entire IRA to a Roth IRA now, so you end up getting all your post-tax money into that Roth IRA. Another possible fix is to figure out a way to separate your basis in that IRA, roll the tax-deferred money into a 401(k), and then convert the basis left behind in the IRA.
Do yourself a favor and just empty the darn IRA by December 31. Keep in mind that this is usually not an instantaneous process, so don't put it off until you're on holiday break at the end of the year.
Step 6 Error – Screwing Up the Tax Forms
Both individual taxpayers and professional tax preparers screw up IRS Form 8606 all the time. In fact, some of them haven't even heard of a Backdoor Roth IRA. (Incidentally, this is one of the best questions to ask while interviewing a potential tax professional—”How many Backdoor Roth IRAs did you help last year?”)
The usual fix to this error is to file a 1040X (Amended Tax Return) and a new Form 8606. You can do this for the last three years if necessary. If you didn't file Form 8606 at all, you'll definitely want to do this. The key is to check lines 15c and 18 on Form 8606. They should both be a number very close to zero if the form is being completed correctly.
The tax preparer should NOT be filing Form 5439. If you did Steps 1-5 right, this form probably doesn't belong in your tax return.
A lot of people wonder about the 1099-R sent to them by their IRA provider and worry that it was done wrong and that it will cause them to pay taxes they shouldn't have to pay. Sometimes the form was filled out wrong, but mostly this is just a lot of anxiety. What gets people anxious is finding something on Line 2a “Taxable amount.” As long as the box on Line 2b is also checked “Taxable amount not determined,” you're golden. Don't worry about it. If it is not, have the IRA provider send you a new, correct form—either with $0 in 2a or the box in 2b checked (usually the latter). Here's what mine from a few years back looked like from Vanguard:
Note that Box 2b is checked, even though a taxable amount of $5,500.07 is being reported to the IRS.
Again, if you're not sure how to enter this into TurboTax, check out my TurboTax tutorial.
Still Confused About the Backdoor Roth?
Need more help with a Backdoor Roth IRA? I wish Congress would just lift the rule against direct Roth IRA contributions for high earners and save us all this hassle, but who knows if that will ever happen.
- If you made your contribution after the end of the year, check out Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA.
- Here's a step-by-step tutorial for doing a Backdoor Roth IRA at Vanguard.
- Here's a step-by-step tutorial for doing a Backdoor Roth IRA at Fidelity.
- Here is a step-by-step tutorial reporting the Backdoor Roth IRA in TurboTax.
- Here is my prior post on 17 Ways to Screw Up Your Backdoor Roth IRA.
- You can hire a professional to help you—either a good financial advisor or a good tax strategist can assist.
- You can also ask your peers for help on the WCI Forum, the Private WCI Facebook Group, and the WCI Subreddit.
Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA
While it is “cleaner” to make your contribution and your conversion all in the same calendar tax year, you can make your contribution up until your tax filing date of the next year. The key to filling out the 8606 correctly when you make a contribution after the calendar year is to recognize that the contribution step is reported for the tax year and the conversion step is reported for the calendar year. So imagine you did the following during the calendar year 2023:
- Made a 2022 IRA contribution (reported on 2022 8606)
- Did a Roth conversion of that contribution (reported on 2023 8606)
- Made a 2023 IRA contribution (reported on 2023 8606)
- Did a Roth conversion of that contribution (reported on 2023 8606)
Your forms would look like this:
2022 Form 8606 (Only Have to Fill Out Part I)
Note that all this serves to do is report basis for the next year. No tax is due. Since no conversion step was done during the calendar year 2022, you only have to fill out lines 1-3 and 14.
2023 Form 8606 (Must Fill Out Parts I and II)
Note that you've got to do all of Part I plus Part II for this year because you did the conversion step, unlike last year (2022). Let's go through this line by line.
Form 8606 – Part I
- Line 1 – That's the money you contributed for 2023 (which would be $6,500).
- Line 2 – This is your basis. Since you made a contribution for 2022 but didn't do a conversion until 2023, your basis is $6,000.
- Line 3 – $6,500 + $6,000 = $12,500.
- Line 4 – Remember this is asking about 2024, not 2023, and since you won't make the mistake of doing your contribution late again, this will be zero.
- Line 5 – $12,500 – $0 = $12,500.
- Line 6 – This is the line that triggers the pro-rata issue. Even though you made a 2022 contribution, you did so AFTER December 31, so this line would still be zero if you filled it out for 2022, which you didn't because you didn't do a conversion in 2022 and got to skip lines 4-13. But this is the 2023 form and since you converted your entire traditional IRA, this will be $0.
- Line 7 – This doesn't include conversions. Since you didn't take any money out of your traditional IRA this year except the conversion, this is $0.
- Line 8 – You converted a total of $12,500 this year to a Roth IRA, so $12,500.
- Line 9 – $0 + $0 + $12,500 = $12,500.
- Line 10 – $12,500/$12,500 = 1.
- Line 11 – $12,500 * 1 = $12,500.
- Line 12 – $0 * 1 = $0.
- Line 13 – $12,500 + $0 = $12,500.
- Line 14 – $12,500 – $12,500 = $0.
- Line 15a – $0 – $0 = $0.
- Line 15b – You didn't take money out of an IRA to help you survive a disaster, so $0.
- Line 15c – $0 – $0 = $0.
Part II
- Line 16 – Line 8 is $12,500 so $12,500.
- Line 17 – Line 11 is $12,500 so $12,500.
- Line 18 – $12,500 – $12,500 = $0.
Backdoor Roth IRA FAQs
Can I still do a Backdoor Roth IRA for last year?
You have until tax day (generally April 15, but as late as October 15 if you file an extension) of the following year to make your traditional IRA contribution. There is no deadline for the Roth conversion step; it can be done at anytime. Make sure you fill out the paperwork properly according to the section above about late contributions.
Can I do last year's IRA contribution and this year's IRA contribution at the same time and convert them at the same time?
Yes. Just remember to report last year's contribution on last year's Form 8606 and this year's contribution and the conversion on this year's Form 8606.
Does my 401(k), 403(b), 457(b), Roth IRA, or inherited IRA count toward the pro-rata calculation?
No. Only traditional IRAs, rollover IRAs, SEP-IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs count. See line 6 of Form 8606 for details.
What if it is a separate IRA? Does it still count?
Yes. All IRAs count toward the pro-rata calculation.
What should I do with my rollover or traditional IRA to avoid pro-ration?
If it is small, convert it to a Roth IRA along with this year's traditional IRA contribution and pay the tax due on it. If large, try to roll it into your employer's 401(k) or if you have self-employment income, into your individual 401(k).
I got pro-rated. What now?
The easiest solution is to convert the entire IRA, SEP-IRA, or SIMPLE IRA that caused the pro-ration and is now composed of both pre-tax and after-tax money. That is also the most expensive solution. A harder solution that may save you some taxes involves isolating the basis in that IRA by rolling the rest of the account into a 401(k) and then convert just the basis to a Roth IRA.
I am leaving my employer. Should I roll my 401(k) or 403(b) into a traditional IRA? If not, what should I do with it?
If you put it into a traditional IRA it is going to cause any future Backdoor Roths to be pro-rated. Better options include leaving it where it is; rolling it into your new employer's 401(k) or 403(b); rolling it into your individual 401(k); or, if it is small, just converting the whole thing to a Roth IRA.
How much can I contribute to a Roth IRA via the Backdoor Roth IRA process?
In 2024, you are allowed to contribute $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) per year for you and $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) for your spouse. This includes all contributions to traditional and Roth IRAs. Rollovers/transfers do not count toward the annual contribution limit.
What should I invest the money into?
While in the traditional IRA for a day or two, leave it in cash. Once it is in the Roth IRA, invest it according to your written investing plan. If you don't have one, get one, but in the meantime it would be a good idea to put it into a lifecycle fund such as a Vanguard Target Retirement Fund.
Can I use the same traditional and Roth IRA each year or do I need new ones?
You can use the same ones each year.
The Backdoor Roth IRA process leads to more tax-free retirement account money for doctors and other high-income professionals. If you follow the simple steps outlined above, you will pay less in taxes, boost your returns, facilitate your estate planning, and increase your asset protection. Most members of The White Coat Investor community do these every year, and you should too.
What do you think? Are you doing Backdoor Roth IRAs? Why or why not? Any questions about it?
[This updated post was originally published in 2014.]
In early 2019, I recharacterized my contributions for tax year 2018 from Roth contributions to regular IRA contributions after realizing I had hit the income ceiling, and I then did a Roth conversion on the full amount in the regular IRA (which was brand new and opened for the express purpose of doing a Roth conversion). The contributions that were recharacterized took place in both calendar years 2018 and 2019.
This year, I received a 1099-R for both accounts (one for the recharacterization, and one for the conversion). I’m unclear as to what I should be filling out on form 8606 for this year.
How can I help? Is there one line that isn’t clear from the instructions? You understand that the 2018 contribution goes on the 2018 8606 and the 2019 contribution and the conversions (presumably both done in 2019) go on the 2019 8606?
I framed the question wrong– I understand what I *should* put on the 8606, but TurboTax seems to be bumping up the taxes I’m responsible for despite following your instructions and those from The Finance Buff.
What I think I’m confused about is that where TurboTax asks for my Total IRA basis on December 31, 2018, it indicates that I should enter the information from the last 8606 I filed (which was 0). However, it seems like, based on what you have on the second year 8606 in your example, that basis should be $5500. Is that right? If that’s correct, it seems like it resolves the issue in TurboTax.
If you go to Forms mode, you can look at what Turbotax is doing on any given line of a form. If you use the desktop version, you can override any line you want.
But yes, if you did a 2018 non-deductible contribution that you never converted until 2019, then your 2019 8606 should include some basis on line 2–your contribution from 2018.
Awesome. Thanks so much for your replies!
Hi Jim
I completed my first backdoor Roth IRA thanks to your tutorial, but wanted to get your help with 8606 (for 2020). (sorry, I know you’re not a CPA) Do you have tutorial on 8606 to represent those with had tIRA dollars to start with (non-deductible)? – since basis is what is tripping me up.
1. 6000
2. 931.07 (is this accurate? this is the amount I ORIGINALLY recharacterized from my Roth (excess cont) to tIRA in 2019)
3. 6931.07
4. 0
5. 6931.07
6. 0
7. 0
8. 6951.59 (is this accurate? my original $931.07 is now 951.59 day-of Roth conversion)
9. 6951.59
10. 1.000
11. 6951.59
12. 0
13. 6951.59
14. -20.52 (this is a negative number … 6931-6951 = -20. is this supposed to happen)?
15a. 0
15b. 0
15.c. 0
16. 6951.59
17. 6951.59
18. 0.
I never took a deduction on the original $931.07. because income too high, plus Roth recharacterization / post tax money anyway. Thanks so much.
What is the $931? Is it basis or is it pre-tax money? If basis, it goes on line 2. If pre-tax, it goes elsewhere.
The $931 was originally from RothIRA that was recharacterized due to excess contributions, so definitely paid taxes on it already.
If you recharacterized it, then it becomes a traditional IRA. Which is sometimes pre-tax and sometimes after-tax. Which is yours? And if it is recharacterized, did you subtract that amount from your direct traditional IRA contribution?
How will I know if it’s pretax or after-tax money? If it was money I contributed to my Roth and later recharacterized to the tIRA, I cannot call it as “after-tax”? I did not subtract the amount from my direct tIRA contribution because it was recharacterized in 2019. The only money I have in the tIRA was the recharacterized dollars in 2019 and the new first-time contribution of $6000 this year for 2020. I backdoored both last week and am trying to fill out the 8606 in anticipation of 2021’s tax year , while it is fresh in my head. I dont’ mind paying the taxes on the recharacterized dollars – but i just don’t want to completely mess up on the 8606 and be IRS’s target for a misunderstanding.
If you recharacterized it then it is either pre-tax if you qualify to take a deduction on it, or after-tax if you did not. But it isn’t Roth money. Do you understand the difference between after-tax and Roth?
I did not qualify for a deduction for the recharacterized dollars in the tIRA. Hmm..can you clarify, please? Thank you
Okay, so those are “after-tax” dollars and become “basis.” If it’s from a previous year, they go on line 2 as you have it.
As far as helping you fill out your form, you need to tell me EXACTLY what you’ve done.
What contributions you made to what account and in what year
What conversions you made and in what year
Any other SEP-IRA, SIMPLE IRA, Traditional IRA, or Rollover IRAs you may have and their balances as of 12/31 of the year for which you are filling out the 8606
What the 8606 (if any) from the prior year shows.
So 2021 will be the first year I’m filling out the 8606 – unless I should have done it previously…. I only have the tIRA and roth IRA accounts. The
other accounts are 401a, 403b.
For the ROTH:
2017: total contributions $325
2018: total contributions: $620
2019: total contributions : $260 (just january and february 2019).
When I did my taxes in march 2019, I was notified that my income was now too high to contribute into the roth IRA. So in 3/2019, I opened a tIRA and then I recharacterized 2018’s contributions ($620 into the tIRA , which was now worth $659.18) AND recharacterized Jan/Feb 2019’s contributions into the tIRA ($260, which was now $271.89) . So as of March 2019, I had a total of $880, which is now worth $931.07 in the tIRA and have not touched it since 2019 until 4/2020.
In 4/1/2020, I contributed $6000 into the tIRA for the 2020 year and then backdoored the entire tIRA account into the roth IRA. (the $6000 + 931.07).
I never took a deduction in 2019 or 2020 because of income limits. I also have never filled out an 8606. (This one I’m trying to do with you is in anticipation of 2021’s year).
Of note, by the time the back door transaction was complete, the total amount that was moved from the TIRA by 4/10/2020 was $6000.70 and $976.47.
Sounds like you need to do a 1040X with an 8606 for 2018. And make sure your 2019 8606 is correct.
Remember to refer to the forms by the tax year they are for. You’re doing taxes right now for 2019, not 2020, much less 2021.
Oh it actually seems that Turbotax did do the 8606’s for those years. And yes, I meant the 8606 for 2020 when I do them in 2021 for this year’s contribution.
Hi Dr. Dahle, thanks for taking the time to read my question. I am in the process of backdoor converting my tIRA to a Roth IRA. I have already converted a portion I had in a money market in the tIRA, but have yet to convert the shares I’ve bought in the tIRA. My question is: 1. Can I make conversions in chunks like this or does it have to be all at once within a certain time frame? 2. I’ve read there is a benefit to converting when the market is down. Does this mean that I would be selling off the shares in my tIRA and then re-buy them in my Roth at current market price?
You can do it little by little if you like to increase the complexity in your life.
Are you sure you’re doing a Backdoor Roth IRA and not just a Roth conversion?
Yes, you generally have to cash out of shares to do a Roth conversion. When doing a Backdoor Roth IRA, most people leave the money in a money market fund until after the conversion to make the paperwork easier.
Hello, I wanted to figure out if I could do a backdoor ROTH IRA for my spouse. I currently have a SEP-IRA that I contributed to in 2019, my wife just has a 401k through her job, I understand that for me to do a backdoor ROTH IRA I need to zero out the SEP-IRA, which i cannot do yet, but I didn’t know if that meant I could still do backdoor Roth for my wife? We will be filing taxes jointly, does my SEP-IRA change whether SHE can do the backdoor Roth by first opening traditional IRA and then backdoor into Roth IRA? Thank you!
Yes you can.
And you can do step 1 of the Backdoor Roth IRA. It’s just if you do STEP 2 that your conversion will be pro-rated. If you think you’ll be getting rid of the SEP-IRA in the next few years, you could at least do the contribution step and do a big conversion later.
If you have a traditional IRA and you roll that to your 401k the amount in the traditional IRA counts towards the maximum 56000 you can contribute to the 401k for that year ?
Thank you so much
No. Separate limits. $57K for 401(k)s. $6K for IRAs. More for both if 50+.
If I want to open a Backdoor Roth IRA, what steps can I take first with my current SEP IRA exactly in Fidelity?
If my employer does not provide a 401k?
If you qualify to use a SEP-IRA you should qualify to open a solo 401(k) and you can roll it in there. Alternatively, you can do a Roth conversion on it and pay the axes due.
A Schwab representative said that Schwab will accept a rollover from a traditional IRA with basis, into a Schwab solo 401(k), but only if the IRA first transfers to another IRA the basis amount, so that the IRA does not contain any basis at the time of the rollover into the 401(k). I believe this is bad advice., because the transfer to the second IRA is subject to the Section 72 pro-rata rule. Under Section 408(d)(1) and -(2), all distributions from an IRA are subject to Section 72 unless there is a special rule to the contrary. Section 408(d)(3)(ii) clearly authorizes a traditional IRA with basis to distribute all of its contents to its owner, who can then roll over into a 401(k) only the amount equal to “the portion of” the distribution that would otherwise be taxable; and 408(d)(3)(H) provides that in such a rollover, the pro-rata rule will not apply and the amount rolled over will be treated as including no part of the basis.
In other words, there is a special rule that permits separating out the taxable contents of the IRA in such a rollover, leaving the basis behind. There is also, in effect, a special rule that permits withdrawing only basis from the IRA if done before the due date of the return for the year in which the basis was added by a nondeductible contribution. But I am aware of no rule that suspends the Section 72 pro-rata rule just by transferring the amount of the basis to another IRA, as Schwab proposed. Do you agree?
I agree with you. Find a new representative. 🙂 That said, isolating basis can be tricky and is dictated by the terms of each of the plans involved. Here’s what I did years ago:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/how-to-get-your-tax-exempt-tsp-money-in-to-a-roth-ira/
Thank you for your help on form 8606. In 2018, I did a backdoor conversion but i didn’t file an 8606 – that’s easy to amend. in 2019 things are more complex. I did a back door Roth, I moved previous employer 401k money to a rollover IRA and i converted/moved some of the rollover IRA to my rollover Roth account.
The backdoor Roth on form 8606 makes sense but i am puzzled on how to report my IRA to Roth conversion and IRA to Roth back door. On lines 1, 3 and 5 i listed my IRA to Roth back door, On line 6, i entered the total of my traditional IRA (I did not include any employer accounts or my inherited IRA). I did not take any distributions so i entered 0 for line 7.
If my assumptions so far are correct then i think my questions boil down to – Do I put the total of IRA to Roth conversion and IRA to Roth back door on line 8 ?
Thanks so much.
Yes.
Thanks for the article, I wish I would have read this article before doing my Backdoor IRA and not done the mistakes below. Sorry for the long post.
In 2014 I contributed $5,500 to an existing Roth IRA for 2014. I recharacterized that contribution on March 2015 as I had exceeded Roth IRA income limits by transferring it to a traditional IRA. I then deducted the traditional IRA contribution of $5,500 on Form 1040 for that year. I was actually a nondeductible Traditional IRA contribution as I had exceeded the MAGI deduction limits which I didn’t know. IRS audited me that year because of this mistake and I paid $1600 penalty for this, so looks like I paid taxes on this contribution.
In 2020, the 2014 Traditional IRA amount increased to around $5700. I don’t have any other Traditional IRAs but only Roth IRA. In 2020 I decided to do a backdoor IRA for 2020, so I did nondeductible contribution to Traditional IRA for $6000. I now mixed up my pretax and aftertax money as I didn’t know about pro-rata rule. I then moved around half this Traditional IRA money to Roth IRA to do backdoor conversion. I then read about pro-rata rule and moved the rest half of the Traditional IRA money to Roth IRA to bring Traditional IRA money to 0.
I then did nondeductible contribution to Traditional IRA for $6000 for 2019, it went to $6200 by the time I did backdoor conversion to Roth, but now Traditional IRA is clean with 0 amount.
Question : For 2019 tax return, what should go on item 6 of 8086 based on what happened in 2014. Will it be amount of money in my Traditional IRA on Dec 31, 2019 or will it be 0? I understand that on 2019 tax return only the 2019 contribution will go and the conversion and 2020 contribution will go in 2020 tax return.
The IRA balance on Dec 31 2019 goes on line 6 of your 2019 8606.
Thank you for response.
Question 1 As I have already paid taxes on my 2014 Contribution of $5,500 via the IRS penalty, can I use $5,500 as I my Basis for 2019? Otherwise I will be taxed again.
Q2 I didn’t do any Roth Conversion in 2019 for any year, so the answer to line 3 is NO, I can skip to step 14. In that case for 2019 8086, it should be
1 6000
2 5500
3 11500
14 11500
Rest of the lines will be 0. Does that seem correct?
Penalties aren’t taxes. Taxes aren’t penalties. I suspect you paid both a penalty and the taxes due. The taxes due would form basis, but the penalty wouldn’t. So if you paid taxes on $5500, then you now have basis of $5500. So yes, the form looks fine for your description.
Just getting started on this Backdoor conversion this year and your article was very helpful. Followed everything step by step , converted after 6 days but earned $0.17 in Prime Money market before conversion. That shouldn’t be a problem right, i just have to pay taxes on that $.17 right? Lesson learned to convert the next day. Thanks for your help.
Good news. You round down so that 17 cents can be converted tax-free.
Just want your opinion, do you always place your trad IRA contribution to Vanguard Prime Money Market or can I just leave them in the Settlement fund (Federal Money Market) so I can manipulate the funds in Roth right away after conversion?
Settlement fund is fine.
This website is awesome, tons of useful information. Thanks for revealing the idea of Backdoor Roth conversion to me.
My situation and plan is as below.
Opened Roth IRA contribution in 2010 with Vanguard, realized in early 2011 that I am above income limit, so Recharacterized entire account to Traditional IRA. Since then contributing every year (automatic monthly basis) in Traditional IRA. So far, mostly it has been non deductible contribution except for 2-3 years time frame during early 2010’s ( when I could either completely or partially deduct the amount). Now Traditional IRA account has approx. 90 K
Plan
I am going to contribute at once the entire remaining amount for year 2020 in t-IRA on May 4th
Open a Roth IRA with Vanguard on May 4th, choose a fund ( ie VTSAX) and transfer entire t-IRA (90K+)to Roth on May 5th 2020.
From 2021 and onwards, full contribution to t-IRA and transfer to Roth next day every year in January
Next year (2021) , for 2020 tax return – fill out the form 8606 correctly and pay taxes ( likely on deductible contribution and total gains of t-IRA account)
Please suggest if there is a better way of going through the Roth backdoor conversion
Thanks so much
Sounds like a plan. You’ll owe taxes on any gains you convert to Roth. Hope you kept good records with your basis. You should have 8606s going back to 2010.
Thank you very much for your help.
I am thinking about opening a SEP IRA for my small businees for 2019 it will save me about 25k in the IRA (and about 10k for employees)(although no savings on taxes) then for 2020 I planned to open a 401k and roll that sep into the 401k? Question:
1. would you suggest to do this?
2. Instead of vanguard I plan to do it with guidance as they do let us invest in vanguard funds. Since I have read that vanguard wont allow rollover in your post.
Second thing is so I have a account personally with saturna (traditional IRA) and Roth IRA – I wanted to move both to vanguard but apparently I can not do that without a Medallion which is a hassle in covid times. With the current changes in retirement RMD withdraws I was thinking I can withdraw the money from traditional saturna account and open one at vanguard and move it there – same with Roth. Do you see any issues with this.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANKYOU – THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY
1. Not enough info to give advice. In general I recommend i401(k)s over SEP-IRAs for self-employed without employees. If you have employees, you should have a study done of your business to see which is going to be best. It’s complex and not a DIY project.
2. That’s true.
3. I would do a direct transfer rather than taking possession, even if you need to get a medallion guarantee. Just wait a while if you need to. But I suppose you could do that if you want. Just be careful and read all the rules about it.
Thank you so much for this article. It is straight to the point and very easy to follow and implement. I did just that in January this year. I contributed and converted in Roth for 2019 and 2020. Form 8606 was also quite straight forward. I recently lost my job. I don’t intend to work for the rest of 2020. Can I move my 401k to a tIRA right away or I have to wait till Jan 2021 to do that?
If you have money in a traditional IRA on Dec 31st 2020, any conversions done in 2020 will be pro-rated.
I did roth conversion and as you mentioned in the post line 2, , 14, 15c, and 18 on form 8606 should be zero or small amount. My CPA didn’t file form 8606. I will need to talk to them. Then in 1040 line 4c pension and annuities taxable amount, it should also be zero correct? I recently did 2019 tax return and I see the full $5500 under taxable amount and seems like I paid taxes on it again .
I want to make sure I don’t pay taxes twice on backdoor IRA. taxable amount in 15c and 18 on form 8606 should be zero . So where would that amount be reported in 1040? is that under line 4c?
Thank you.
It’s not clear to me exactly where your mistake is, but if you’re doing a Backdoor Roth IRA and you owe taxes on $5500, something is very wrong, so don’t stop until you find it. But if you want me to find it, I need a lot more information like exactly what you did and when and what is currently on the 8606. If I were paying an accountant, I’d make them find it. And if they didn’t do it quickly, I’d be moving on.
I just found out after filling 2019 tax that I no longer qualify for Roth IRA because our combined income exceeds 206,000$ but I already maxed out my Roth for 2018 and 2019.
I called Vanguard and they gave me two choices: Traditional IRA vs giving me back my money.
I opened the Traditional IRA with hopes to convert it to the Roth. Is this correct?
Do i have to amend my 2019 Taxes now that I have a Traditional IRA?
Yes.
Yes.
The good news is you can soon convert that traditional IRA back to a Roth IRA.
Hi, Thank you so much for your detailed info on Backdoor ROTHs, common pitfalls, and the video tutorial has been very useful!
Could you help me with Form 8606 since I can’t seem to find any CPAs that understand it well.
In 2013 and 2014, I made deductible contributions to Vanguard Traditional IRA.
In 2015, I made a non-deductible contribution to Vanguard Traditional IRA (income too high). I used TurboTax and on Form 8606, I entered $5500 on lines 1, 3 and 14.
In 2016, I did not contribute but I did convert the entire Vanguard Traditional IRA ($20,051) to a ROTH. I started using a CPA and he filled out Form 8606 to read:
1. 0
2. 5500
3. 5500
14. 5500
16. 20,051
17. 5500
18. 14551
Question #1: If I had a SIMPLE IRA ($28,460) on 12/31/2016, shouldn’t he have filled out Lines 6-13 to include the following pro-rata calculations? I am thinking it should had read this instead:
1. 0
2. 5500
3. 5500
4. 0
5. 5500
6. 28460
7. 0
8. 20051
9. 48511
10. 0.113
11. 2266
12. 0
13. 2266
14. 3234
15. 0
16. 20051
17. 2266
18. 17785
Moving on, then for 2017, he filled out Form 8606 to read:
1. 0
2. 5500
3. 5500
14. 5500
Question #2: Is my basis only $5500? Shouldn’t my new total basis on line 2 read the $20,051 that I converted and paid taxes on from the prior year? Or does my basis restart at $0 because I converted that basis money into a ROTH?
Then in 2019, both my husband and I did backdoor ROTHs at the suggestion of my financial advisor and we still didn’t understand the pro-rata rule. I had a SEP ($104,902) and husband had a Traditional IRA ($22984) . Recently, we stopped using both the financial advisor and accountant in order to better understand and have control of our financials. I am trying to properly fill out Form 8606 and include the pro-rat tax. However, I don’t know what my basis is from prior years.
Question #3: Let’s say you have a simple case of someone only doing a backdoor ROTH every year and nothing else… does the basis increase each year by $6000 (since they paid taxes on the $6000), or does it stay at $0 every year?
Sorry for the lengthy questions but I think you may be the only one who can help me! Thank you in advance.
Thanks for the wonderful post
I need a little help is confirming the values for 8606 for my situation.
7/1/20 – tIRA account balance = 10000 (existing pre-tax a/c balance)
7/10/20 – tIRA contribution = 6000
7/12/20 – convert 16000 to Roth
Can you please confirm what will the form 8606 look like for this situation
Your 2021 8606? Just work your way through it using the instructions. If there is a line you’re not sure on, just ask. The hard line is always line 2. In your case, that’ll be $0. Expect to pay taxes on $10K, so a tax bill of $3-4K should be the end result.
Thanks for your confirmation.
I attempted to fill the 2019 version of Form 8606 for this use case.
Can you please look at the form https://ibb.co/HYnFjNV confirm if the values (especially the line 8) look right to you.
Yes, looks right. See, not too bad.
Hi,
After reading about backdoor Roth at WCI, my spouse and I each started contributing to Backdoor Roth for a few years now and accordingly file taxes. As an independent contractor I also make contributions to my individual 401k every year and my spouse has her 401k with her employer. My retirement accounts are with Charles Schwab who offers the option to roll out funds from individual 401 k to Roth IRA. I wanted to Roth convert some (not all) of my individual 401k funds to reduce future tax liability. Will converting 401k into Roth IRA mess up my backdoor IRA? Should this Roth IRA be a separate account from my backdoor Roth IRA account? Please share your thoughts.
No. It can be the same account. Just make sure there’s nothing in a traditional IRA on December 31st.
Thank you very much. I plan on converting my funds out of 401k into Roth IRA over the next several years, while I continue to make my annual contributions into both 401k and backdoor. The plan is to have my retirement savings split between tax deferred and post-tax-Roth accounts. When it comes to filing for taxes do I still file 8606 for both Roth conversion of 401k and for back door Roth?
Certainly for the Backdoor Roth. I don’t think the 401k conversion shows up there though.
Hi,
Great explanation on everything here. The one thing I didn’t understand was how to repeat this step every year. Does that mean you need to open a new traditional IRA every year and convert it into a new Roth IRA every year, leaving you with multiple accounts every year? Or are you able to just keep the initial traditional IRA and make backdoor conversions every year to the same Roth?
Thank you
No, you can use the same two every year.
Glad to hear that… Thanks
Hi,
I am an independent contractor and have decided to form an S Corp. have a few questions for you please:
1. Between S Corp and C Corp, do you suggest any one over the other?
2. I am thinking of setting it up on my own. Is that wise or setting it up using a lawyer is better?
3. I already have an EIN. Can I use it or need a new EIN?
Please feel free to share any link to useful resources.
Thank you
1. For what situation? As a moonlighting doc, a sole proprietorship may be fine.
2. I did it myself, but I don’t know how you feel about DIYing stuff like that,
3. Probably should get a new one but I’m not sure it’s absolutely required. At any rate, it’s free and easy to get one.
Thank you for your prompt reply.
1. I have been a sole proprietor for a couple years now. Prior to that I had both 1099 and W2 in a given year. Going forward I do not anticipate being employed, however, if I do when I’ll have a W2 from another employer, in addition to a 1099, will that mess up the S Corp or C Corp I’ll set up?
2. Also, once I have set up my LLC, I will have to draw a salary. Can I generate that W2 in turbo tax when I file for taxes next year?
3. Can you please share the link to website that you used to set up your LLC?
Thank you
1. It could. The benefit of an S Corp for a doc is you can save some Medicare tax on the money you call distribution instead of salary. If you combine an S Corp with a W-2 job, you could end up paying the employer half of SS twice.
2. You don’t have to draw a salary from an LLC. An LLC is not an entity for tax purposes. An LLC is either a sole proprietorship, a partnership, or a corporation for tax purposes. Yes, turbotax can handle W-2s.
3. Uhhh….okay. https://corporations.utah.gov/business/lc.html Not sure how that’ll be useful unless you’re in Utah.
Thank you for sharing the details. I live in TX and apparently this is the link for filing any corporation or LLC.
https://www.sos.state.tx.us/corp/sosda/index.shtml
1. I was looking up some information on your website, WCI, regarding Retirement contribution for S Corp. my income from independent contractor (currently as sole proprietorship) will be split between my salary on W-2 and distribution on 1099, right?
2. And I can do a max employer contribution of $18.5K against W2 income and another 25% as profit sharing, again W2 as well, right?
3. Between LLC and S-Corp, do both provide limited liability? Any benefit of one over the other?
Thank you!
1. Yes but it has nothing to do with a 1099. It usually comes on a K-1.
2. If your only 401(k), you can put $19.5K as an employee contribution and 25% of wages paid as an employer contribution up to the maximum $57K. All 2020 numbers.
3. Both help with business liability but neither helps with malpractice liability. An LLC is simpler and can still file taxes as an S Corp and has similar liability protection so I do that. There are some very minor advantages of a true corporation but they don’t outweigh the downsides in my case and probably not in yours.
Hi,
Appreciate the details. I will set up LLC next month. So far I was a sole proprietor and hence, receive 1099 Misc.
1. When I file for taxes next year as an LLC I should be able to do so as S Corp and get all the tax benefits of an s Corp as opposed to sole proprietorship, right?
2. Since I will be under an LLC only for three out of twelve months in 2020, does that mean my tax consequences be prorated for the year or all my 1099 income for the year (12 months) be taxed under LLC?
3. I use turbo tax for small businesses. I know I will be generating a W2 for myself when I do taxes. Will the k1 form be generated through turbo tax as well?
Thank you
1. Yes, but you need to “declare” yourself an S Corp this year by filing a form.
2. Depends on your corporation tax year and when you file that form.
3. It can be, yes. You’ll need Turbotax corporate. Or you may decide to hire help given the additional complexity.
I’m funding a governmental 457b plan at the hospital where I’m employed. Assets in my 457b plan include my annual contributions as well as funds from a rolled over Vanguard traditional IRA. I’m communicating with the 457b plan administrator as I’d like to move a portion of the previously rolled over funds to an SDIRA which would allow me to invest in alternative investments. I don’t know if this is even possible. But if I did have funds in an SDIRA, would this be a problem with the Pro-Rata rule?
Yes.
Hello,
Thank you for all the helpful information on your website. I have a couple of questions:
1- I finished fellowship this year (6/2020) and started as attending the month after (7/2020). My salary increased significantly but for the entire 2020 year it will be less than $200k (my wife doesn’t work) since half of it was as a fellow. In that case, this first year, I should just do a regular Roth IRA for 2020? And starting January 2021, I would open a traditional IRA and do backdoor Roth (to the same Roth IRA account from this year)?
2- the $6k max for Roth, is that per calendar year?
3- I don’t qualify yet for my job’s 401k (I need to be employed for 1 year), so for the traditional IRA would that be pre-tax or after tax? I am getting pre-tax from your website, if that is the case, what happens when I do the backdoor Roth? Do I pay tax on it at that point?
1. Yes. Yes.
2. Yes. Remember you can do one for your wife too.
3. Yes. And it is probably worth doing. It’s still a wash. $6K deduction, $6K in income. Same same as no deduction and no income.
Thank you for your reply. Just to clarify, the traditional IRA will be pre-tax since I don’t have a 401k. In that case, when I do the backdoor Roth conversion, I just pay the tax on it when I prepare my taxes the year after?
One last question, will my wife always qualify for direct Roth IRA since she doesn’t work? Or will I also have to do backdoor for her?
Yes.
No, you’ll both have to do it through the Backdoor.