By Dr. Jim Dahle, WCI Founder
Setting up a Backdoor Roth IRA can be confusing, so I thought I’d put together a tutorial on the steps people can refer to when they go through this process. Let's get started.
Table of Contents
- What Is a Backdoor Roth IRA?
- Who Should Do a Backdoor Roth IRA?
- When to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA?
- Backdoor Roth IRA Pros and Cons
- Backdoor Roth IRA Tax Implications
- Backdoor Roth IRA Steps
- How to Fix and Prevent Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
- Backdoor Roth IRA FAQs
What Is a Backdoor Roth IRA?
Despite its name, a Backdoor Roth IRA is not an account; it is a process with two steps:
- Contribute to a Traditional IRA.
- Complete a Roth conversion.
If you understand the rules of both of these steps, putting them together is no problem.
Who Should Do a Backdoor Roth IRA
Remember that if you are a low earner you can just contribute DIRECTLY to a Roth IRA and skip this Backdoor Roth IRA process.
Roth IRA Limits and Conversion Rules
Low earner is defined as a Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) under a phaseout range in 2024 of $146,000-$161,000 ($230,000-$240,000 Married Filing Jointly). Some docs—like residents, employee dentists, part-timers, and even some medical attendings in the lower-paying specialties who are married to a non-earner—can just contribute to a Roth IRA directly.
Anyone who earns at least $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) can contribute $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) to an IRA [2024]. If your income is below a MAGI of $146,000-$161,000 ($230,000-$240,000 Married Filing Jointly), you can contribute directly to a Roth IRA. If you have a retirement plan offered to you at work and your MAGI is below $77,000-$87,000 ($123,000-$143,000 Married Filing Jointly), you can deduct your traditional IRA contributions. Since most readers of this blog have a retirement plan through their job and have (or soon will have) a MAGI over $240,000, they will find that they can't make direct Roth IRA contributions or deduct their traditional IRA contributions. Thus, their best IRA option is the Backdoor Roth IRA process, i.e., an indirect Roth IRA contribution.
Spousal IRAs
Married physicians should be using a personal and a spousal Roth IRA, and you will usually need to fund both indirectly (i.e., through the Backdoor). This provides an additional $7,000 each ($8,000 for each spouse that is 50+) of tax-protected and (in most states) asset-protected space per tax year, and it allows for more tax diversification in retirement. Tax diversification allows you to determine your own tax rate as a retiree by deciding how much to take from tax-deferred (traditional) accounts and how much from tax-free (Roth) accounts. Remember that IRA stands for INDIVIDUAL Retirement Arrangement, so even if the pro-rata rule (discussed below) keeps you from doing the Backdoor Roth IRA, it doesn't necessarily keep your spouse from doing so. Each spouse reports their Backdoor Roth IRA on their own separate 8606, so the tax return for a married couple doing Backdoor Roth IRAs should always include two Form 8606s.
Married Filing Separately
The contribution and deduction income limits are particularly low if you are filing your taxes Married Filing Separately (MFS). Both the ability to contribute directly to a Roth IRA and the ability to deduct a traditional IRA contribution if you (or your spouse) are eligible for a retirement plan at work phase out between $0 and $10,000. Basically, the best option for anyone filing their taxes MFS is the Backdoor Roth IRA process, i.e., an indirect Roth IRA contribution.
There is an exception to these rules if you do not actually live with your spouse. In that case, your ability to contribute directly to a Roth IRA phases out between a MAGI of $146,000-$161,000 in 2024. If you live separately and are not covered by a retirement plan at work, you can deduct a traditional IRA contribution no matter your income. You can still do a Backdoor Roth IRA process in these situations where your IRA contribution is either partially or completely deductible. The tax bill will be precisely the same: $0 when done properly. However, instead of having no tax cost for either the contribution or the conversion, your deduction on the contribution will precisely equal the tax cost on the conversion, resulting in that same $0 tax bill for the entire process.
Mega Backdoor Roth IRA
A Mega Backdoor Roth IRA is completely different from a regular Backdoor Roth IRA. Despite its name, you actually do a Mega Backdoor Roth IRA with a 401(k), not an IRA. It requires a 401(k) that accepts both after-tax (not Roth) employee contributions and allows for either in-service withdrawals (and thus conversions to a Roth IRA) or, more commonly, in-plan conversions. Using the Mega Backdoor Roth IRA process, one could put as much as $69,000 ($76,500 if 50+) [2024] per year into a Roth 401(k) (or possibly a Roth IRA in addition to your usual $7,000-$8.000 contribution). However, this process has nothing to do with the Backdoor Roth IRA process we are discussing in this post.
When to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA
Lots of people wonder about the timing of a Backdoor Roth IRA.
IRA Contribution Deadline
There is really only one deadline to meet with the Backdoor Roth IRA process. IRA contributions for a given tax year must take place between January 1 of the tax year and April 15 (even if you file an extension) of the following year.
Backdoor Roth IRA Conversion Deadline
The conversion step may take place at any time. It can take place the next day or even the same day as the contribution. I don't recommend it, but you can wait months, years, or even decades between the contribution and the conversion step. There is no deadline for Roth conversions. If you need to perform a rollover or a conversion of a traditional, rollover, SEP, or SIMPLE IRA in order to avoid the pro-rata rule, you have until December 31 of the year you do the conversion step.
When Should You Contribute and Convert?
You should do both steps as soon as possible. Many white coat investors do the IRA contribution step and the Roth conversion step the first week of January each year. This maximizes the amount of tax-free compounding that can occur on those dollars. Minimizing the time between contribution and conversion and doing both steps within the calendar year is not required, but it certainly simplifies the paperwork.
Want to really make your paperwork complicated? Contribute to your IRA each month and convert it each month. Then, you have 12 contributions and 12 conversions to keep track of each year. Seriously, though, if you make enough money that you have to contribute to your Roth IRA(s) through the Backdoor Roth IRA process, you make enough to do it at one time each year.
Can I Do a Backdoor Roth IRA Every Year?
Yes. My wife and I have done one every year since 2010 and do not plan to stop until we no longer have any earned income. It is just one of the investment chores we perform once a year.
5-Year Rule
One factor that may push you to do a Backdoor Roth IRA earlier is the five-year rule. Now, there are at least three five-year rules related to IRAs, but the main one to pay attention to here is the five-year rule after a Roth conversion. This rule determines whether the withdrawal of principal from the account prior to age 59 1/2 will be penalty-free. The five-year period starts on January 1 of the year you do the conversion, so it could be a little less than five years. Roth IRA principal generally comes out tax- and penalty-free (it is only the earnings that may be subject to penalties), but that is only the case after the five-year rule has been fulfilled.
In essence, if you do a conversion of a Roth IRA at age 51, you can then withdraw the principal tax- and penalty-free starting at age 56 rather than age 59 1/2. This can provide funding for living expenses to early retirees. If you do a Roth conversion at age 57, you still get access to that principal (and earnings) tax- and penalty-free at age 59 1/2. So, it's five years or age 59 1/2, whichever comes first.
There is also a completely separate five-year rule on IRA contributions, but this starts from the time you make your very first IRA contribution, not every contribution, so it should not apply to most early retirees.
Backdoor Roth IRA Pros and Cons
There are a lot of great things about the Backdoor Roth IRA, but it isn't all peaches and cream.
Pros of Backdoor Roth IRA
The main benefit of a Backdoor Roth IRA is that it provides you with another retirement account. Via the Backdoor Roth IRA process, you can continue to contribute to a Roth IRA even after your earnings rise above the income limit for direct Roth IRA contributions. Retirement accounts eliminate the tax drag that applies in a taxable, or non-qualified account, reducing your taxes and allowing your investment to grow at a higher rate so you can reach your goals sooner.
How much can that tax protection be worth compared to a taxable account? It depends on the return of the underlying investment, its tax efficiency, and the amount of time the money is left in the account. At my marginal tax rate, $10,000 earning 8% in a tax-inefficient investment over 50 years would grow to $469,000 in a Roth IRA but only $88,000 in a taxable account. More realistically, over 30 years, the use of a Roth IRA vs. a taxable account for a tax-efficient investment would still result in 29% more money.
Retirement accounts ensure simple estate planning. By using beneficiaries, that money does not go through the probate process, so your heirs get it sooner with less hassle, more privacy, and no cost. They can even stretch the tax-protected growth benefit for another decade after they inherit the account. Retirement accounts like a Roth IRA also provide substantial asset protection in most states, meaning that in the admittedly very rare event of a dramatically above-policy limits judgment that isn't reduced on appeal, you can declare bankruptcy and still keep what is in your retirement accounts. Roth money is tax-free forever, so by continuing to contribute each year, you can increase tax diversification in retirement.
Cons of Backdoor Roth IRA
Roth IRAs, even when you contribute via the Backdoor Roth IRA process, are still retirement accounts with all of their downsides. Retirement accounts limit the investments you can put in them and prohibit the use of margin investing. If you withdraw Roth IRA earnings prior to age 59 1/2 without an approved exception, you will owe a 10% penalty.
Due to the pro-rata rule (see below), the Backdoor Roth IRA process requires you to either convert or roll over into a 401(k) any traditional IRAs, SEP-IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs you may have. If you have self-employment income, you will need to use a solo 401(k) instead of a SEP-IRA to shelter that income from taxes. Doing Backdoor Roth IRAs each year also adds one form (IRS Form 8606) per spouse to your tax return. If preparing your own taxes using tax software, it can be tricky to ensure the software reports the process correctly. If you do a Backdoor Roth IRA instead of (rather than in addition to) maxing out your tax-deferred accounts during your peak earnings years, that can also be a mistake that results in the accumulation of less money.
Perhaps most significantly, there are now two steps to getting money into your Roth IRA each year instead of just one. While I think the process is pretty darn simple, I am continually amazed at all of the unique ways that doctors manage to screw it up. Later in this article, I'll show you how to fix all of those screwups.
Is a Backdoor Roth IRA Worth It?
Yes! Most of the time. It really is just a little bit of hassle to do each year, although there may be some additional hassle the first year if you need to take care of another IRA first to avoid the pro-rata rule. There may be times when someone has a large traditional IRA they cannot afford to convert to a Roth IRA and cannot roll over into a 401(k) because they don't have a 401(k) at all, their 401(k) charges high fees, or because the IRA assets are invested in something they cannot invest in within a 401(k). If your employer-provided retirement account is a SIMPLE IRA or a SEP-IRA, the Backdoor Roth IRA process is also probably not worth it. Finally, some multi-millionaires don't want to bother with even the minor hassle of the Backdoor Roth IRA process because getting an extra $7,000-$16,000 a year into Roth accounts just isn't going to move the needle for them.
Backdoor Roth IRA Tax Implications
Roth IRAs are all about avoiding taxation on earnings, so naturally, there are lots of tax implications of this process.
Pro-Rata Rule
The most important tax implication to be aware of is the pro-rata rule. I would estimate that 90%+ of Backdoor Roth IRA screwups involve the investor having his or her conversion pro-rated. When you report a Roth IRA conversion on IRS Form 8606 (see below), there is a pro-rata calculation made. The numerator is the amount converted. The denominator is the total of ALL traditional, rollover, SEP, and SIMPLE IRAs, but not 401(k)s, 403(b)s, 457(b)s, Roth IRAs, or inherited IRAs. Therefore, it is critical that you DO SOMETHING with any IRA balance you have PRIOR to December 31 of the year in which you do a Roth conversion of after-tax money. Later in this article, I'll describe the exact options you have for what to do with this money.
Tax on Backdoor Roth IRA Conversion
Done properly, there is NO tax on a Backdoor Roth IRA conversion. Zero. Nada. Zilch. While the money you put into a Roth IRA (indirectly via the Backdoor in this case) was taxed when you earned it, it is NOT taxed when you contribute it directly to a Roth IRA or when you contribute it as a non-deductible IRA conversion or when you subsequently convert that money to a Roth IRA. In fact, it is never taxed again.
Do I Need to Worry About the Step Transaction Doctrine?
There used to be a concern that the IRS would have a problem with the Backdoor Roth due to an IRS rule called The Step Transaction Doctrine. This rule basically says that if the sum of a bunch of legal steps is illegal, then you can’t do it. Some wondered if this Backdoor conversion from a Traditional IRA to Roth was a legal transaction considering this doctrine. Those concerns, valid or not, are no longer an issue. The IRS clarified in early 2018 that no waiting period is required between the contribution and conversion steps of the Backdoor Roth IRA. It has essentially given its blessing on the whole process. Waiting just makes things more complicated on the 8606, as discussed in Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA.
How to Report a Backdoor Roth IRA on TurboTax
Reporting the Backdoor Roth IRA properly on TurboTax is unfortunately even more complicated than filling out Form 8606 by hand. The key to doing it right is to recognize that you report the conversion step in the Income section but you report the contribution step in the Deductions and Credits section. Since you generally do the income section first, you report the conversion before you report the contribution, even though you actually did the contribution before the conversion. At the end, you want to look at the Form(s) 8606 that TurboTax generates, just like you would check up on one filled out by an accountant.
More information here:
How to Report a Backdoor Roth IRA on TurboTax
Backdoor Roth IRA Steps, Tutorials, and Walkthroughs
In this section, we'll explain exactly how to do the Backdoor Roth IRA process and how to report it on your tax return, whether you file on paper or using tax software. You can easily walk through these Backdoor Roth IRA steps at Vanguard, complete a Backdoor Roth at Fidelity, or knock out a Backdoor Roth IRA at Schwab, three of the most popular brokerage/mutual fund companies.
How to Perform and Report on Paper the Backdoor Roth IRA Process
While it is really just a two-step process, it is best to think of it as a six-step process. These steps don't all have to be done in order (it might be easier to do Step 3 before Step 1), but they will all need to be done.
Step #1 Contribute to a Traditional IRA
Make a $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) non-deductible traditional IRA contribution for yourself and one for your spouse. You can use the same traditional IRA accounts every year—they just spend most of the time with $0 in them. Most fund companies, including Vanguard, don’t close the account just because there is nothing in it. I do this every January 2.
Step #2 Leave the Money in Cash
An account like a traditional IRA is not an investment, of course; just like a suitcase isn't clothing. When putting money in a traditional IRA, you also have to tell the IRA provider how you want to invest. In this case, just leave the money in cash, whether a money market fund or a settlement fund. At Vanguard, the settlement fund is the Federal Money Market Fund. You really don't want to have any gains (or especially any losses) between the contribution and conversion step because it makes the paperwork more complicated. The best way to minimize the gains is to leave it in cash (and then of course to do the conversion as soon after contribution as possible to minimize the “pennies” issue).
Step #3 Convert the Traditional IRA to a Roth IRA
Next, convert the non-deductible traditional IRA to a Roth IRA by transferring the money from your traditional IRA into your Roth IRA at the same fund company. If you don’t already have a Roth IRA there, you’ll need to open one. This can be done in a minute or two online at Vanguard, and it is essentially the same process as opening the traditional IRA. I do this the very next day after I make the contribution. It is very straightforward. When you transfer the money, the website will throw up a scary banner saying something like “THIS IS A TAXABLE EVENT.” That’s true. It is taxable. But the tax bill will be zero since you’ve already paid taxes on the $7,000 and couldn’t claim your contribution as a deduction because you make too much money. You can do Step 3 basically immediately after Step 1. Some companies will let you do it the same day. Other companies will make you wait until the next day or even a week or so. But there is no reason to wait months to do it.
Step #4 Invest the Money
Now you will need to select an investment for the money in your Roth IRA. If you already have an investment in there, you can simply add $7,000 to it. Otherwise, you will need to select an investment in accordance with your written investing plan. If you do not have a written investing plan yet, you can leave the money in cash or put it into a Target Retirement 2050 fund or another lifecycle fund until you get that part of your financial plan worked out.
Step #5 Beware of the Pro-Rata Rule
Get rid of any SEP-IRA, SIMPLE IRA, traditional IRA, or rollover IRA money. The total sum of these accounts on December 31 of the year in which you do the conversion step (Step 2) must be zero to avoid a “pro-rata” calculation (see line 6 on Form 8606) that can eliminate most of the benefit of a Backdoor Roth IRA.
You can get rid of these IRA accounts in three ways:
- Withdraw the money (not recommended, as the money would be subject to tax and/or penalties, not to mention DECREASING your tax-advantaged/asset-protected investment space).
- Convert the entire sum to a Roth IRA. Only recommended if it is a relatively small amount and you can afford to pay the taxes out of current earnings or taxable investments with relatively high basis.
- Roll the money over into a 401(k), 403(b), or individual 401(k). 401(k)s don’t count in the aforementioned pro-rata calculation. Some physicians even open an individual 401(k) at Fidelity, eTrade, or Vanguard (rollovers from traditional IRAs to solo 401(k)s is a recent addition to Vanguard) in order to facilitate a Backdoor Roth IRA.
Step #6 Fill Out IRS Form 8606 Correctly
The next part of the Backdoor Roth IRA is done months later when you (or your accountant) fill out your IRS Form 8606 on your taxes. Don't forget to do it or there is a $50 penalty. Remember that you need one form for each spouse: INDIVIDUAL Retirement Arrangements. You need to double-check this to make sure it is done right, even if you hire a pro to avoid screwing up this part. Advisors have told me that they have had to help clients fix dozens of these that tax preparers have done improperly. If you don't do it right, you'll pay taxes twice on your Backdoor Roth IRA contribution.
Page 1 (below) shows a “distribution” from your non-deductible IRA. Since the money was already taxed, the taxable amount on your distribution is zero. Line 1 is your non-deductible contribution. On Line 2, your basis is zero because you had no money in a traditional IRA on December 31 of last year (if you've been carrying a non-deductible IRA for years, this may not be zero). Line 6 is zero in a typical year. Note that TurboTax may fill this out a little differently (may leave lines 6-12 blank), but you end up with the same thing. Line 13 is the same as line 3, so the tax due is zero.
Here's an example from the 2023 version of Form 8606.
On page 2 (below), you are showing the Roth conversion. I'm not really sure why you have to do this twice (since you're just transferring the amounts from lines 8 and 11 and then subtracting them), but that's what the form calls for. As you can see, a Roth conversion of a non-deductible traditional IRA contribution without any gains is a taxable event; it's just that the tax bill is zero for it.
When double-checking your tax preparer's work, you want to concentrate on lines 2, 14, 15c, and 18, and make sure they're a very small amount, like zero, and not a very large amount, like $7,000. The form can get more complicated if you are doing other Roth conversions at the same time or if you made a contribution for the previous year (i.e., made your 2022 contribution in 2023). See below for more details.
Notice how there is no place on the form to put the date when you made the contribution or the date when you made the conversion. It isn't on the form your IRA custodian sends to the IRS (1099-R) either.
Do It All Again Next Year
You do not have to wait any period of time between the contribution and conversion. Each year, I make my Traditional IRA contribution on January 2, then convert it to a Roth IRA the next day or within a few days. That gets my investment money working as soon as possible and simplifies the record keeping. Vanguard won’t let you do it the same day (sometimes other providers will), so I have to wait one day anyway. Occasionally they'll make you wait up to a week. If you find you have a few pennies left in the account and are worried you'll get pro-rated, take a look at this post: Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA.
More information here:
How to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA with Vanguard
How to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA at Fidelity
How to Fix and Prevent Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
In this section, we're going to talk about how to fix and prevent common mistakes in the Backdoor Roth IRA process. To better organize these mistakes, we will break down the process into the six very clear steps used above and then will explain possible errors with each step and what to do about them.
6 Steps to Successfully Contribute to a Backdoor Roth IRA
- Step 1 – Contribute to traditional IRA ($7,000, $8,000 if 50+ for 2024).
- Step 2 – Invest the money in a money market fund.
- Step 3 – Move money from a Traditional IRA to a Roth IRA (i.e., a Roth conversion).
- Step 4 – Invest in your preferred investment (typically a stock, bond, or balanced index mutual fund).
- Step 5 – Ensure you have no money in a traditional IRA, SEP-IRA, or SIMPLE IRA on December 31 of the year you do the CONVERSION step.
- Step 6 – Report the transactions correctly on your taxes by filling out Form 8606.
Seriously. That's it. If you can do a cholecystectomy, you can do this. If you can work up a pulmonary embolus appropriately, you can do this. If you can manage hypertension well, you can do this. If you can fill a cavity, you can do this. Super easy.
However, people still manage to screw up on EACH of those six steps. Let's go through the mistakes people make, step by step.
How to Fix Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
Step 1 Error – Contributing Directly to a Roth IRA
An error that commonly occurs with a first Backdoor Roth IRA is that people simply don't realize that their income is too high to make a direct Roth IRA contribution. Instead of doing it indirectly (i.e., going through the Backdoor), which is no big deal even if you're under the limit, they contribute directly to a Roth IRA. Then they realize their Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) is over $146,000-$161,000 ($230,000-$240,000 Married Filing Jointly) for 2024. Now what?
Enter the Recharacterization
If you have made this error, now you have to recharacterize the Roth IRA contribution to a traditional IRA contribution. This basically makes it as though you never contributed to a Roth IRA but contributed to a traditional IRA instead. You usually have to call your IRA provider to get this done, but it's no big deal. In this section, I'll walk you through the details of how to do it.
You have until the due date of your tax return to do this (including extensions). So, if you made an IRA contribution in January of 2023 for the 2023 tax year, you have until October 15, 2024, to do a recharacterization. There's no penalty or anything to do it. You can do the opposite as well if you contributed to a traditional IRA but meant to contribute directly to a Roth IRA.
Bear in mind that starting in 2018, you can no longer do recharacterizations of Roth CONVERSIONS (not contributions). This eliminated the “Roth IRA Conversion Horserace” technique for tax reduction.
Until only a couple of years ago, I had thought there was a waiting period after a recharacterization to then reconvert the money to a Roth IRA. However, that rule was only for recharacterizations of conversions, not contributions. There has never been a waiting period for a recharacterization.
Any gains that occur before the final conversion are, of course, fully taxable at your ordinary income tax rate in the year of the final conversion.
The Income Limit
The first thing to determine is whether this post even applies to you. If your income is below a certain amount, you can just contribute directly to a Roth IRA. That amount depends on several things. First, it is a MODIFIED Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI). That number is very similar to your Adjusted Gross Income (AGI). Remember how tax Form 1040 works.
The first income line you come to is line 7b, your “Total Income.” When people think about income, this is generally what they think of. The third income line on the form is line 11b. This is your “Taxable Income.” This is what your tax bill is actually calculated from. It is basically your total income minus all of your deductions. In between those two, on line 8b, is another income, your “Adjusted Gross Income.” This is “the line” that people are talking about when they use the phrases “above-the-line deduction” and “below-the-line deduction.” If it comes out before your AGI is calculated, it is an above-the-line deduction. These are deductions such as self-employment tax, self-employed retirement plans, self-employed health insurance premiums, HSA contributions, student loan interest, alimony, tuition, and any IRA deductions. If it comes out after your AGI is calculated, it is a below-the-line deduction. These are EITHER your standard deduction OR your itemized deductions, like mortgage interest, state/local/property taxes, and charitable contributions. A MAGI is just a slight tweak to your AGI.
Below are the MAGI limits for direct Roth IRA contributions [2024]. If your MAGI is below the first number, you can just contribute to a Roth IRA directly. If your MAGI is over the second number, you cannot contribute at all. If your MAGI is between the two numbers, you can make a partial direct contribution (most shouldn't bother with this, just do it all through the Backdoor).
- Married Filing Separately (and lived with spouse for at least part of the year): $0-$10,000
- Married Filing Jointly: $230,000-$240,000
- Single or Head of Household: $146,000-$161,000
If you think you'll be anywhere close to that first number, do yourself a favor and just make your Roth IRA contribution indirectly, i.e., through the Backdoor (contribute to a traditional IRA and then convert that contribution to a Roth IRA). Since 2010, there has been no income limit on Roth conversions and there has never been an income limit on traditional IRA contributions, just your ability to deduct them.
How does a MAGI differ from an AGI? It's a very slight difference. Bear in mind that there are other MAGIs out there. We're only talking about the one that affects Roth IRA contributions here. But to get your MAGI, you simply take your AGI, subtract some income from it, and add back in some other income to it. The worksheet showing you how to do this is Worksheet 2-1 in Publication 590.
Basically, you subtract income from a Roth conversion and you add income from IRA deductions (not sure why you'd have this), student loan interest (if you are using this worksheet, you probably don't have this), tuition deduction (you probably don't have this), a couple of rare deductions for foreign income/deductions (you probably don't have these), some savings bond interest you probably don't have much of, and some employer-provided adoption benefits. For most people, your MAGI = your AGI since all of these deductions are pretty rare for the folks worried about this limit for direct Roth IRA contributions. So, focus on your AGI. That means if you contributed directly to a Roth IRA but late in the year realized you probably should not have, one easy fix is to get your AGI below that limit by contributing to an HSA or a self-employed retirement plan like an individual 401(k) or SEP-IRA. Note that giving a bunch of money to charity is NOT a solution to this problem because that is a below-the-line deduction.
How to Do an IRA Recharacterization
If you can't get your MAGI low enough, you will have to do an IRA recharacterization. As far as the IRS is concerned, a recharacterization is as though you never made the Roth IRA contribution at all but made a traditional IRA contribution instead. You don't report a recharacterization separately; you just report a traditional IRA contribution. Keep in mind as you read on the internet about recharacterizations that there used to be two types of them—a recharacterization of a Roth IRA CONTRIBUTION and a recharacterization of a Roth IRA CONVERSION. The second type was outlawed in 2018, but the first one, the one we're talking about today, is still perfectly legal. If you decide you want to undo a Roth conversion these days, you're simply out of luck. Here is how you do a recharacterization of a Roth IRA contribution:
- You tell Vanguard (or wherever your IRAs are) to recharacterize the Roth IRA contribution to a Traditional IRA contribution.
Yup. That's it. The brokerage takes care of the rest. You can read all about all of the rules in Publication 590 Chapter 1 if you want, but that's basically what they say. Don't believe me? Fine. Here are the IRS instructions:
How Do You Recharacterize a Contribution?
To recharacterize a contribution, you must notify both the trustee of the first IRA (the one to which the contribution was actually made) and the trustee of the second IRA (the one to which the contribution is being moved) that you have elected to treat the contribution as having been made to the second IRA rather than the first. You must make the notifications by the date of the transfer. Only one notification is required if both IRAs are maintained by the same trustee. The notification(s) must include all of the following information:
- The type and amount of the contribution to the first IRA that is to be recharacterized.
- The date on which the contribution was made to the first IRA and the year for which it was made.
- A direction to the trustee of the first IRA to transfer in a trustee-to-trustee transfer the amount of the contribution and any net income (or loss) allocable to the contribution to the trustee of the second IRA.
- The name of the trustee of the first IRA and the name of the trustee of the second IRA.
- Any additional information needed to make the transfer.
In most cases, the net income you must transfer is determined by your IRA trustee or custodian.
See what I mean? It's just a phone call. Any earnings that the account had in between the contribution and the recharacterization just go over with the contribution. No big deal.
You have until your tax filing date to do this. Most of the time, that's April 15 of the next year. However, the IRS is even more lenient than that. You actually can do this for an extra six months after your tax filing date, but you will have to refile your return.
Where Do You Report a Recharacterization?
If you hire somebody else to prepare your taxes, you can skip this section. If you do it yourself, you'll need to make sure you report this correctly. According to Pub 590, you report it on our old friend Form 8606.
Pub 590 says this:
Actually, that's really misleading. If you read Form 8606, you will see that the only time it ever mentions a recharacterization is to tell you NOT to put it on the form.
So, what is Pub 590 talking about? They're talking about this section in the 8606 instructions:
Reporting recharacterizations.
Treat any recharacterized IRA contribution as though the amount of the contribution was originally contributed to the second IRA, not the first IRA. For the recharacterization, you must transfer the amount of the original contribution plus any related earnings or less any related loss. In most cases, your IRA trustee or custodian figures the amount of the related earnings you must transfer. If you need to figure the related earnings, see How Do You Recharacterize a Contribution? in chapter 1 of Pub. 590-A. Treat any earnings or loss that occurred in the first IRA as having occurred in the second IRA. You can’t deduct any loss that occurred while the funds were in the first IRA . . . Report the nondeductible traditional IRA portion of the recharacterized contribution, if any, on Form 8606, Part I. Don’t report the Roth IRA contribution (whether or not you recharacterized all or part of it) on Form 8606. Attach a statement to your return explaining the recharacterization. If the recharacterization occurred in 2023, include the amount transferred from the traditional IRA on 2023 Form 1040, 1040-SR, or 1040-NR, line 4a. If the recharacterization occurred in 2024, report the amount transferred only in the attached statement, and not on your 2023 or 2024 tax return.
The bottom line is that you just report this recharacterized contribution on Form 8606 as if it were the regular old non-deductible traditional IRA contribution that you should have made in the first place. You also need to include a statement. What should your statement look like? I would write something like this:
“To whom it may concern:
I made a 2024 Roth IRA contribution of $7,000 on March 13, 2024, because I didn't know about the whole MAGI limit thing when I made the contribution. After becoming smarter, I recharacterized $7,137.14 (original contribution plus earnings) to a traditional IRA on November 4, 2024. Thank you for helping our country fund its government. You're the best.
Hugs and kisses from your favorite taxpayer,
James Dahle”
Seriously, it doesn't say what has to be on the statement, just that there is one “explaining the recharacterization.” You don't even have to tell them why you did the recharacterization. If you had a loss in the account between contribution and recharacterization, no big deal. It's still as though you made a $7,000 contribution to a traditional IRA and THEN it lost money. If you were able to deduct the contribution (you probably can't) you would get a $7,000 deduction. The IRA provider may also send you a Form 5498 (which has the recharacterized amount on line 4), but you don't actually do anything with it when you file your taxes. It's just an informational return.
Reconverting the IRA
Here is where it gets interesting. You've now fixed your mistake in the eyes of the IRS, going from an illegal Roth IRA contribution to a legal traditional IRA contribution (that is probably not deductible for you). But you aren't done with what you meant to do, which is put money into a Roth IRA. You now need to do a Roth conversion. You do it just like you normally would as if you had contributed originally to the Traditional IRA. You can do it the very next day if you like. You can probably even do it the same day; just make sure there is a paper trail showing the money was actually in the traditional IRA at some point. There used to be a waiting period after a recharacterization before you could do a Roth conversion on that money. But that waiting period only ever applied to the recharacterization of a Roth CONVERSION (which was no longer allowed starting in 2018) and NOT the recharacterization of a Roth CONTRIBUTION. So, there is no waiting period. Just reconvert convert it and go on your merry way.
I hope this information helps you fix your mistake. Just do your Roth IRA contributions through the Backdoor going forward, and you won't have this problem again.
Step 2 Error – Not Investing in a Money Market Fund in the Traditional IRA
What happens if you LOSE money in between the contribution and conversion step? This problem is easily avoided by using an investment like a money market fund that does not go down in value for that time period. But some people fail to do so and end up losing money. When they work their way through their IRS Form 8606, they discover they have basis left over that they can then carry forward indefinitely for years! No big deal; it just makes your paperwork more complicated. Perhaps at some point in the future, you'll do a Roth conversion of tax-deferred money and this carry-forward basis will reduce the tax on that event.
What if you MADE money in the account between contribution and conversion? This actually happens most of the time, so I wrote an entire post on it called Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA. Technically, any money earned between the contribution and conversion step is fully taxable at ordinary income tax rates in the year of the conversion. If it is less than 50 cents, you just ignore it. If it's more, you report it on your 8606 and pay taxes on it.
If it is still in the traditional IRA, either do another tiny Roth conversion or leave it there until you do next year's Backdoor Roth IRA process. Either is fine. If you were smart and just used a money market fund and did the conversion as soon as your IRA provider allowed it (usually less than a week and sometimes as early as the next day), this won't be much money and there won't be much tax due.
Step 3 Error – Forgetting to Do the Conversion
If you forgot to do the conversion step for eight months afterward, it could be a huge gain on which you're unnecessarily paying taxes. No way to fix this one, just pay your “stupid tax” and move on.
Step 4 Error – Forgetting to Invest the Roth IRA Money
Even worse than paying taxes on a huge gain is not getting the gain in the first place because you left the money sitting in cash for months. No way to fix this one either. Your “stupid tax” this time comes in the form of opportunity cost. Just get the money invested ASAP to stop the cash drag. Maybe you even got lucky and the market went down in between contribution and investment so now you get to buy low.
Step 5 Error – The Pro-Rata Rule
Some of the most common questions I get are from people who make a late contribution to a Backdoor Roth IRA. What do I mean by late? You are allowed to make an IRA contribution AFTER the calendar year ends. In fact, you have until Tax Day, usually April 15 unless you get an extension of up to six months. While it is to your advantage to contribute to retirement accounts as quickly as possible so that money can start compounding in a tax-protected way, I understand that we all have lots of good things to do with our money and sometimes this gets pushed back into the next calendar year. All it really does is complicate your paperwork a bit.
For example: if you made your 2023 IRA contribution in April 2024, instead of reporting both the contribution and the conversion on your 2023 taxes, you would report only the contribution there. The conversion would be reported on the taxes for the year you did the conversion, i.e., your 2024 tax return due in April 2025. Your 2023 IRS Form 8606 becomes a little simpler and your 2024 IRS Form 8606 becomes a little more complicated. Not a big deal if you can follow the simple instructions.
What confuses people, however, is the pro-rata rule. This is the rule that says you need to empty your traditional IRA by December 31 of the year you do the conversion. Since these folks have never filled out a Form 8606 (or apparently read the instructions), they assume that for a 2023 contribution they need to have a balance of $0 at the end of 2023, even if they didn't do the conversion step until 2024. That's simply not the case. The pro-rata rule isn't applied until the year of the conversion, i.e., December 31, 2024.
Emptying the IRAs
How do you empty those IRAs? You usually have two choices.
- Do a Roth conversion of the whole thing. This is what I generally recommend for small IRAs where the tax bill on the conversion would not be too onerous. It is quick and easy, and it increases the amount of tax-free assets you have.
- Roll the money into a 401(k) or 403(b), either that of your current employer, that of a past employer, or to your own individual 401(k) if you are self-employed. This is usually a better option if you have a large IRA where you would rather deal with the hassle than pay the tax bill during your peak earnings years.
How large is large and how small is small? It's going to vary by the person and how much disposable cash they have. Most would consider an IRA under $10,000 to be small and an IRA over $100,000 to be large. In between, it's a personal decision as to which would be better for you.
What If You Didn't Empty the IRA?
What if you screwed this one up? Your Backdoor Roth IRA conversion step just got pro-rata'd. There is a tax bill associated with that because most of your conversion was of tax-deferred money rather than post-tax money like it was supposed to be.
The fix for this is going to vary by the individual, but the easiest fix is to simply convert the entire IRA to a Roth IRA now, so you end up getting all your post-tax money into that Roth IRA. Another possible fix is to figure out a way to separate your basis in that IRA, roll the tax-deferred money into a 401(k), and then convert the basis left behind in the IRA.
Do yourself a favor and just empty the darn IRA by December 31. Keep in mind that this is usually not an instantaneous process, so don't put it off until you're on holiday break at the end of the year.
Step 6 Error – Screwing Up the Tax Forms
Both individual taxpayers and professional tax preparers screw up IRS Form 8606 all the time. In fact, some of them haven't even heard of a Backdoor Roth IRA. (Incidentally, this is one of the best questions to ask while interviewing a potential tax professional—”How many Backdoor Roth IRAs did you help last year?”)
The usual fix to this error is to file a 1040X (Amended Tax Return) and a new Form 8606. You can do this for the last three years if necessary. If you didn't file Form 8606 at all, you'll definitely want to do this. The key is to check lines 15c and 18 on Form 8606. They should both be a number very close to zero if the form is being completed correctly.
The tax preparer should NOT be filing Form 5439. If you did Steps 1-5 right, this form probably doesn't belong in your tax return.
A lot of people wonder about the 1099-R sent to them by their IRA provider and worry that it was done wrong and that it will cause them to pay taxes they shouldn't have to pay. Sometimes the form was filled out wrong, but mostly this is just a lot of anxiety. What gets people anxious is finding something on Line 2a “Taxable amount.” As long as the box on Line 2b is also checked “Taxable amount not determined,” you're golden. Don't worry about it. If it is not, have the IRA provider send you a new, correct form—either with $0 in 2a or the box in 2b checked (usually the latter). Here's what mine from a few years back looked like from Vanguard:
Note that Box 2b is checked, even though a taxable amount of $5,500.07 is being reported to the IRS.
Again, if you're not sure how to enter this into TurboTax, check out my TurboTax tutorial.
Still Confused About the Backdoor Roth?
Need more help with a Backdoor Roth IRA? I wish Congress would just lift the rule against direct Roth IRA contributions for high earners and save us all this hassle, but who knows if that will ever happen.
- If you made your contribution after the end of the year, check out Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA.
- Here's a step-by-step tutorial for doing a Backdoor Roth IRA at Vanguard.
- Here's a step-by-step tutorial for doing a Backdoor Roth IRA at Fidelity.
- Here is a step-by-step tutorial reporting the Backdoor Roth IRA in TurboTax.
- Here is my prior post on 17 Ways to Screw Up Your Backdoor Roth IRA.
- You can hire a professional to help you—either a good financial advisor or a good tax strategist can assist.
- You can also ask your peers for help on the WCI Forum, the Private WCI Facebook Group, and the WCI Subreddit.
Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA
While it is “cleaner” to make your contribution and your conversion all in the same calendar tax year, you can make your contribution up until your tax filing date of the next year. The key to filling out the 8606 correctly when you make a contribution after the calendar year is to recognize that the contribution step is reported for the tax year and the conversion step is reported for the calendar year. So imagine you did the following during the calendar year 2023:
- Made a 2022 IRA contribution (reported on 2022 8606)
- Did a Roth conversion of that contribution (reported on 2023 8606)
- Made a 2023 IRA contribution (reported on 2023 8606)
- Did a Roth conversion of that contribution (reported on 2023 8606)
Your forms would look like this:
2022 Form 8606 (Only Have to Fill Out Part I)
Note that all this serves to do is report basis for the next year. No tax is due. Since no conversion step was done during the calendar year 2022, you only have to fill out lines 1-3 and 14.
2023 Form 8606 (Must Fill Out Parts I and II)
Note that you've got to do all of Part I plus Part II for this year because you did the conversion step, unlike last year (2022). Let's go through this line by line.
Form 8606 – Part I
- Line 1 – That's the money you contributed for 2023 (which would be $6,500).
- Line 2 – This is your basis. Since you made a contribution for 2022 but didn't do a conversion until 2023, your basis is $6,000.
- Line 3 – $6,500 + $6,000 = $12,500.
- Line 4 – Remember this is asking about 2024, not 2023, and since you won't make the mistake of doing your contribution late again, this will be zero.
- Line 5 – $12,500 – $0 = $12,500.
- Line 6 – This is the line that triggers the pro-rata issue. Even though you made a 2022 contribution, you did so AFTER December 31, so this line would still be zero if you filled it out for 2022, which you didn't because you didn't do a conversion in 2022 and got to skip lines 4-13. But this is the 2023 form and since you converted your entire traditional IRA, this will be $0.
- Line 7 – This doesn't include conversions. Since you didn't take any money out of your traditional IRA this year except the conversion, this is $0.
- Line 8 – You converted a total of $12,500 this year to a Roth IRA, so $12,500.
- Line 9 – $0 + $0 + $12,500 = $12,500.
- Line 10 – $12,500/$12,500 = 1.
- Line 11 – $12,500 * 1 = $12,500.
- Line 12 – $0 * 1 = $0.
- Line 13 – $12,500 + $0 = $12,500.
- Line 14 – $12,500 – $12,500 = $0.
- Line 15a – $0 – $0 = $0.
- Line 15b – You didn't take money out of an IRA to help you survive a disaster, so $0.
- Line 15c – $0 – $0 = $0.
Part II
- Line 16 – Line 8 is $12,500 so $12,500.
- Line 17 – Line 11 is $12,500 so $12,500.
- Line 18 – $12,500 – $12,500 = $0.
Backdoor Roth IRA FAQs
Can I still do a Backdoor Roth IRA for last year?
You have until tax day (generally April 15, but as late as October 15 if you file an extension) of the following year to make your traditional IRA contribution. There is no deadline for the Roth conversion step; it can be done at anytime. Make sure you fill out the paperwork properly according to the section above about late contributions.
Can I do last year's IRA contribution and this year's IRA contribution at the same time and convert them at the same time?
Yes. Just remember to report last year's contribution on last year's Form 8606 and this year's contribution and the conversion on this year's Form 8606.
Does my 401(k), 403(b), 457(b), Roth IRA, or inherited IRA count toward the pro-rata calculation?
No. Only traditional IRAs, rollover IRAs, SEP-IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs count. See line 6 of Form 8606 for details.
What if it is a separate IRA? Does it still count?
Yes. All IRAs count toward the pro-rata calculation.
What should I do with my rollover or traditional IRA to avoid pro-ration?
If it is small, convert it to a Roth IRA along with this year's traditional IRA contribution and pay the tax due on it. If large, try to roll it into your employer's 401(k) or if you have self-employment income, into your individual 401(k).
I got pro-rated. What now?
The easiest solution is to convert the entire IRA, SEP-IRA, or SIMPLE IRA that caused the pro-ration and is now composed of both pre-tax and after-tax money. That is also the most expensive solution. A harder solution that may save you some taxes involves isolating the basis in that IRA by rolling the rest of the account into a 401(k) and then convert just the basis to a Roth IRA.
I am leaving my employer. Should I roll my 401(k) or 403(b) into a traditional IRA? If not, what should I do with it?
If you put it into a traditional IRA it is going to cause any future Backdoor Roths to be pro-rated. Better options include leaving it where it is; rolling it into your new employer's 401(k) or 403(b); rolling it into your individual 401(k); or, if it is small, just converting the whole thing to a Roth IRA.
How much can I contribute to a Roth IRA via the Backdoor Roth IRA process?
In 2024, you are allowed to contribute $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) per year for you and $7,000 ($8,000 if 50+) for your spouse. This includes all contributions to traditional and Roth IRAs. Rollovers/transfers do not count toward the annual contribution limit.
What should I invest the money into?
While in the traditional IRA for a day or two, leave it in cash. Once it is in the Roth IRA, invest it according to your written investing plan. If you don't have one, get one, but in the meantime it would be a good idea to put it into a lifecycle fund such as a Vanguard Target Retirement Fund.
Can I use the same traditional and Roth IRA each year or do I need new ones?
You can use the same ones each year.
The Backdoor Roth IRA process leads to more tax-free retirement account money for doctors and other high-income professionals. If you follow the simple steps outlined above, you will pay less in taxes, boost your returns, facilitate your estate planning, and increase your asset protection. Most members of The White Coat Investor community do these every year, and you should too.
What do you think? Are you doing Backdoor Roth IRAs? Why or why not? Any questions about it?
[This updated post was originally published in 2014.]
I am using Turbo tax for filing 2015 taxes. I thought I would be able to use turbo tax to file 1040x for 2014 as well. Do I print the 1040x for 2014 from Turbo Tax and mail it out separately? Please correct me if I am getting the process wrong.
Thank you
I think you need Turbo Tax from 2014 if you want to do your 1040X using Turbotax. Otherwise, you’ll have to do it by hand or hire someone to do it.
Should I receive a 5498 tax form if I rolled over contribution from traditional to Roth IRA in 2015 for both 2014 and 2015 contributions?
In addition I should also receive 1099-R for all contributions made during 2015 for 2014 and/or 2015 tax years, right?
Could you please sent the link to the tutorial that walks us through how to do traditional and roth ira (form 8606) on turbo tax, It had snap shots of every tab on turbo tax.
Thank you
Never mind I was able to find the link. I completed fling for both traditional and roth ira accounts for 2015. However, I see ira distributions-taxable $5500 and ira distributions – non taxable $5500? Have I made any mistake?, Please note both my wife and I make non-deductible contribution to traditional ira every year.
Thank you
Not sure what you’re referring to. I don’t know where you see “ira distributions-taxable $5500 and ira distributions – non taxable $5500”
I followed the steps of ‘The Finance Bluff’ to do form 8606 using turbo tax. I have contributed 5500 towards Traditional IRA for tax year 2015 last week and intend to roll it out into Roth IRA early next week. Hence I should do the 1099-R next year when i file 2016 taxes, right?
I also contributed $5500 towards my wife’s Traditional IRA for tax year 2015 last year and rolled it out into Roth IRA account in 2015 as well. Hence I received a 1099-R for my wife- so I have to do 2015 1099 distribution form on turbo tax for my wife, right? Please note I made a contribution of $11000 in 2015 towards tax year 2014 and 2015 , for my wife , Hence 1099-R reflects $1100 in line I.
If I click on ‘Preview 1040’ under account, I see line 15 a (ira distributions) as $1100 and 15 b (taxable income) as $5499. Why should i be paying taxes on port tax money? What am i missing here?
I really appreciate your time.
I’m still not clear on what you’re doing. Here’s what I think you’re saying:
In 2016 you contributed $5500 to a traditional IRA for 2015, and then converted it to a Roth IRA (or will do so next week.) In this case, the contribution goes on your 2015 taxes, and the conversion goes on your 2016 taxes as outlined here: https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/late-contributions-to-the-backdoor-roth-ira/
In 2015, your wife contributed $5500 to a traditional IRA and converted it to a Roth IRA. That 8606 would look like the one on this page except it sounds like you also did your 2014 contribution in 2015 (which should go on an 8606 for 2014) and the conversion was of $11K, not $5500 as it included the 2014 contribution.
I have no idea what “1099 distribution form on turbotax” you’re talking about. You mean the information that your IRA custodian sent you on a 1099 for your wife’s conversion?
Are you paying taxes on the conversion money because you didn’t do an 8606 for 2014 and are not claiming the basis for that? Or did you take a deduction for the 2014 contribution (in which case the conversion would be taxable?)
That’s all I can think of.
I used the step by step guideline on ‘How To Report Backdoor Roth In Turbo Tax’ by Harry Sit; you have provided the link to this article at the end of your article ‘Backdoor Roth IRA Tutorial’. I am not filling in the 8606 by myself but using turbo tax to do it as suggested by Harry Sit.
Yes that is exactly what I did for myself for- contributed and rolled over 2015 contribution in February 2016.
For my wife, she contributed 11000 in 2015- 5500 for 2014 and 5500 for 2015 contributions. The whole amount (11000) was rolled out into Roth in 2015. So I received a 1099-R for 2015 from my brokerage reflecting $11000.
Now as WCI advises, my 5500 conversion goes into 2016 taxes and my wife’s 11000 goes into 2015 taxes. To do this conversion( for 2015 taxes it is only for my wife) on turbo tax, Harry Sit suggested going to ‘My Account’ then ‘Tools’ on Turbo Tax. From Topic search he suggested selecting 1099-r distribution from an ira’ and that is what I did for documenting the 1099 R from my brokerage. After going through all the steps as Harry suggested I went under ‘My Account’ and ‘Preview my 1040’ on Turbo Tax. On this form on line 15 a I see ‘IRA distributions’ =11000 and 15 b ‘Taxable amount’ = 5499. This is where my question is- my taxable amount should be ‘0’ as in Harry’s example. I am paying taxes twice on the same funds.
Snce I have two conversions ; 5500 for 2014 and 5500 for 2015 (both put together as 11000 1099-R from my brokerage company) from an ira’ forms on turbo tax to overcome the aforementioned issue?
Sorry for my long email. I am really confused at this point- just want to do it right this year myself- my CPA made errors last year. Should I file my 2015 taxes once he amends and generates correct 8606 for 2014 taxes?
Thank you
Yes, I would definitely do the 2015 1040 after your 2014 1040X. Sounds like you’re not reporting the correct basis to me or the 1099 is wrong. I use Turbotax as well and my 2015 return shows $11K on 15a (my wife’s 2015 Roth conversion and my 2015 Roth conversion) but 15b is 0. If nothing else, you can override it and make your 15b 0. Be sure you did not get a tax deduction for that 2014 contribution.
Since I have two conversions ; 5500 for 2014 and 5500 for 2015 (both put together as 11000 on 1099-R from my brokerage company), should I file two 1099-r distribution from ira forms on turbo tax for the two years (2014 and 2015) to overcome the aforementioned issue?
Thank you
Why wouldn’t you just do it as one if that’s what the brokerage did?
So I called my brokerage company, Schwab to confirm they are generating the right forms. I received two 5498 in 2014; one for the Traditional Roth contribution for 2014 tax year contribution and the other 5498 – 2014 for showing Roth conversion of $17800 (this corresponds to all traditional Ira contributions for tax years 2011, 2012, 2013). I have received a 1099-r for 2015 since I rolled out both 2014 and 2015 traditional contributions into Roth IRA in 2015.
Now, my CPA has not recorded 2014 traditional ira contribution for 2014 on 8606 last year (line 1 is empty). Has that messed up my basis on line 14 on 8606-2014? Btw, how do we define basis- is it the tax free amount (actual post tax contribution) or the amount I need to pay taxes on (the growth component of the contribution)
Thank you
Basis is the post-tax dollars. Line 1 on 8606 is how much you contributed for that year. So if you contributed $5500, line 1 should be $5500. Line 2 contains your basis-the amount you shouldn’t have to pay tax on when you convert it.
Please correct me if I am interpreting it wrong.
I have been contributing for 2011 to 2014 (where contribution for 2014 took place in March 2015). Will my basis be $21000? Or will it be total Traditional IRA contributions made up until mid April 2015 ($21000) reduced by the amounts rolled out into my Roth IRA through end of Dec 2014 (and not rolled out between Jan 2015 and mid April 2015)? Hence, in my case my 2014 IRA basis (ie basis as of Dec 31, 2014) is 21000-(5000+5000+5500), assuming I contributed 2014 tIRA contribution and rolled it out in early 2015. Is this the amount reflected in line 14 of 8606?
What is the difference between line 2 and line 14 on 8606- both are termed basis on 8606?
Thank you
You’re discovering why I recommend you do the contribution and conversion in the same year. The paperwork is far less tricky. Your basis is the total of of the non-deductible contributions you’ve made. If those contributions you made for 2011 to 2014 were all non-deductible and none were converted, then yes, that would be your basis.
I’ll be honest though, I’m having a very hard time following what you’re doing. Perhaps if you list out year by year what you contributed and when, whether it was deductible or not, whether you converted it, and your year end balances someone can assist you. Otherwise, you may want to consider hiring a pro to help you sort through all this.
All my contributions to Trad IRA from tax years 2011 to 2015 are 100% non- deductible.
Tax year
2011: contributed $5000 to tradIRA in early 2012 and did not roll it out to roth until 2014
2012: contributed $5500 to tradIRA in 2012 and did not roll it to roth until 2014
2013: contributed $5500 to trad IRA in 2013 and did not roll it out to roth until 2014
The total contribution for tax years 2011 – 2013 ($15500) grew to $17800 that was all rolled out to roth ira in 2014 and hence, I received a 5498 for 2014 that had $17800 in box 3 (Roth IRA conversion amount) and a 1099-R for 2014 that has $17800 in box 1 (Gross distribution)
Tax Year
2014: contributed $5500 to trad IRA in early 2015 and rolled it out into roth in 2015.
Hence, I received a 5498 for 2014 that had $5500 in box 1 (IRA contribution).
Tax Year
2015: contributed $5500 in 2015 and rolled it out into roth in 2015.
Hence I received a 1099-R for 2015 with $1100 in box 1 (gross distribution).
When I do form 8606 for 2015 on Turbo Tax (following the prompts) it asks what my basis is as of Dec 13, 2014. Since I rolled out contributions for tax years 2011-2013 including the growth amount in 2014 and made 2014 trad IRA contribution in early 2015, my basis as of 12/31/2014 should be $5500 (trad IRA contribution for tax year 2014 made in early 2015)- given I understood you right.
I apologize for my long emails. I hope I was able to state year by year contribution and when, whether it was deductible or not, whether I converted it, and my year end balances .
Thank you
So you haven’t been doing 8606s for years? That’s going to be a major clean-up. Was an accountant doing the taxes or tax software? Because if so, I’m very surprised 8606s weren’t done. If you were doing them on paper and just didn’t realize you needed to, well, you can at least do 1040Xs back to 2012.
I am looking at form 1040X to amend 2014 tax return. My CPA forgot to report non deductible contribution of $5500 made toward 2014 tax year (between January 2015 and mid April 2015); line 1 on form 8606 is empty.
I need to report that non deductible Trad IRA contribution of $5500 for tax year 2014. Reading WCI I kind of have a sense of what the corrected 8606 for 2014 should be, but as I look at form 1040X, I do not see a line where I can report that $5500 for 2014 (line 1- line 30). It would be extremely helpful if you could tell me where (which line(s))that amount goes to.
Thank you
Was the 1040 wrong? If not, then you don’t have to correct it. You just put the same numbers on the 1040X and send in an 8606 with it. With a 1040X, you basically recalculate your taxes and put the new calculations (along with the old ones) on the 1040X and include any relevant schedules.
By mistake nondeductible trad IRA contribution for tax year 2014 ($5500) was not reported on 2014 tax return.
Once I make the amendment to 2014 taxes, (and accordingly file 2015 taxes-form 8606) is it okay to efile 2015 taxes first and then mail out amended 2014 return(forms 1040X, corrected 8606 for 2014 and 1044 for 2014)?
Thank you
I think that’s okay. Or just mail it all in at the same time.
Yes I did file form 8606 for tax years 2011 to 2014. The one filed for tax year 2014 was wrong because the CPA did not report non-deductible contribution for 2014 ($5500) on line 1 of 8606. Hence the amount on line 14 (total basis in traditional IRAs for 2014 and earlier years) is wrong.
I am using turbo tax for filing 8606 for tax year 2015 and it asks me what my basis is as of 12/31/2014 and I am trying to figure that number.
This is what I have been doing in terms of Traditional and Roth IRAs since 2011. All my contributions were 100% non deductible
Tax year
2011: contributed $5000 to tradIRA in early 2012 and did not roll it out to roth until 2014
2012: contributed $5000 to tradIRA in 2012 and did not roll it to roth until 2014
2013: contributed $5500 to trad IRA in 2013 and did not roll it out to roth until 2014
I have been filing 8606 for 20011-2013 and they were correct. Total basis in 2013 was $15500.
The total contribution for tax years 2011 – 2013 ($15500) grew to $17800 that was all rolled out to roth ira in 2014 and hence, I received a 5498 for 2014 that had $17800 in box 3 (Roth IRA conversion amount) and a 1099-R for 2014 that has $17800 in box 1 (Gross distribution)
Tax Year
2014: contributed $5500 to trad IRA in early 2015 and rolled it out into roth in 2015.
Hence, I received a 5498 for 2014 that had $5500 in box 1 (IRA contribution).
Tax Year
2015: contributed $5500 in 2015 and rolled it out into roth in 2015.
Hence I received a 1099-R for 2015 with $11000 in box 1 (gross distribution: 5500 of 2014 and another 5500 of 2015).
When I do form 8606 for 2015 on Turbo Tax (following the prompts) it asks what my basis is as of Dec 13, 2014. Since I rolled out contributions for tax years 2011-2013 including the growth amount in 2014 there was $0 in my traditional IRA on 12/31/2014. However, I made 2014 trad IRA contribution in early 2015. Therefore my basis as of 12/31/2014 should be $5500 (trad IRA contribution for tax year 2014 made in early 2015)- given I understood you right. It should not be zero right?
Thank you
Your basis is how much non-deductible you had in there as of the end of tax year 2014. So how much was it? If it was $5500, that’s your basis no matter what your 2014 8606 said. Then fix your 2014 8606 with a 1040X. Just think about what is logical to have there, then make sure the tax forms match that.
When you say ‘non-deductible balance as of 12/31/2014’ do you include non-deductible 2014 contribution made in early 2015? Then my basis is $5500. Otherwise it should be zero because as of 12/31/2014 I only had contributions for tax years 2011- 2013 that was all rolled out to Roth IRA before year end 2014.
Please let me know if I am reasoning right here.
Thank you
Here’s the line 2 instructions:
Generally, if this is the first year you are
required to file Form 8606, enter -0-.
Otherwise, use the Total Basis Chart,
later, to find the amount to enter on
line 2.
However, you may need to enter an
amount that is more than -0- (even if this
is the first year you are required to file
Form 8606) or increase or decrease the
amount from the chart if your basis
changed because of any of the
following.
You had a return of excess traditional
IRA contributions (see Return of Excess
Traditional IRA Contributions, earlier).
Incident to divorce, you transferred or
received part or all of a traditional IRA
(see the last bulleted item under Line 7,
later).
You rolled over any nontaxable
portion of your qualified retirement plan
to a traditional or SEP IRA that was not
previously reported on Form 8606,
line 2. Include the nontaxable portion on
line 2.
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i8606.pdf
IF the last Form 8606 you filed was
for . . .A year after 2000 and before 2015
THEN enter on line 2 . . .The amount from line 14 of that Form 8606
What does your 2013 8606 line 14 say? Plug that in.
All right, I give up. Let me do your 2015 8606 (you’ve got to do the 2014.)
1. $5500
2. $15,500
3. $21,000
4. $5500
5. $15,500
6. 0
7. 0
8. $15,500
9. $15,500
10. 1
11. $15,500
12. 0
13. $15,500
14. $5,500 This amount goes on to line 2 in 2016.
15. 0
As I understand what you’ve done, that’s what your form should look like. The numbers may be a little off if your investments in the traditional IRA made or lost some money over those years.
This is a good example of why I say do your contribution and conversion in the same year and why I recommend you convert relatively quickly after contributing and why I recommend you leave it in a money market fund in between those two events. It just makes the 8606 way simpler.
I can’t appreciate you enough for your time. I just have one question. Line 14 on 2013 8606 was 15500. But it was rolled out to Roth IRA in 2014. Since the 15500 already left the traditional IRA account in 2014, shouldn’t line 2 be zero? Or do we not consider the roll out of funds from Trad IRA to Roth IRA when we calculate basis on line 2?
Thank you
Your basis on line 2 is not necessarily the amount in the IRA as of Dec 31 of the year before. Two different numbers at times. Basis is the amount that has already been taxed. Line 14 in 2013 becomes line 2 in 2014.
Following WCI I was doing 8606 for 2014 on paper and my numbers look exactly the same as yours- I brought line 14 from 2013 8606 to line 2 (15500).
So for 2015 I put 5500 (from line 14 of 2014 8606, which looks exactly like the one you generated) and followed the instructions down the lines…
This is how my 2013 8606 looks like
1. $5500
2. $10,000
3. $15,000
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14. $15,500 This amount goes on to line 2 in 2014.
15. 0
Following WCI I generate the following 8606 for 2014
1. $5500
2. $15,500
3. $21,000
4. $5500
5. $15,500
6. 0
7. 0
8. $17,800
9. $17,800
10. 0.87
11. $15,500
12. 0
13. $15,500
14. $5,500 This amount goes on to line 2 in 2015.
15. 2300
Finally, this is how my 2015 8606 looks like, as generated by turbo tax
1. $5500
2. $5,500
3. $11,000
4.
5. $11,000
6. 0
7. 0
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13. $11,000
14. 0 This amount goes on to line 2 in 2016.
15. 0
Thank you
Glad to help.
Hey Phone Mobil (and WCI if you happen to be looking),
I had a similar looking situation with my 8606 in 2015 by making contributions *for* 2014 *in* 2015, thus making reporting complex. My 2015 8606 looks just like yours.
I wanted to double check what 2016’s 8606 would look like, now that I am doing thing the easy way by contributing *in* the year that it is meant *for* (and presuming you are doing the same)
Is this what your 8606 for 2016 will look like? (and presumably into perpetuity)
2016
1. $5,500
2. $0 (from line 14 of 2015)
3. $5,500
4. 0
5. $5,500
6. 0
7. 0
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13. $5,500
14. 0 This amount goes on to line 2 in 2017.
15. 0
Thanks for typing all this out last year, very helpful.
And, of course to you WCI for your assistance then, which is assisting me now.
Yea, that’s what mine looks like (i.e. like the one in the original post.) The key thing to check on if you’re checking your work or that of someone else is to make sure line 15 is zero!
Thanks! Btw, I really liked that coffee/cream analogy from comment 12.
Quite clear, and also tasty.
Hi, I have been following your website since last year. It has been a great learning experience for me. Unfortunately, I have never contributed to Roth before (never got to know about this website while in training!). I have a question of eligibility for straight Roth contributions. We have a combined dual physician salary of 210k from last year (6 months of training and 3-4 months of attending salaries). We contributed approx 56k to both of our 403b and 457b plans. Would this contribution make our MAGI to be calculated below $183k for us to be able to make direct Roth IRA contributions? I looked at the IRS website there are some deductions you do for calculating MAGI like IRA contributions among other things, but it does not mention 403 or 401 contributions. Thanks in advance for your help.
Your modified AGI for Roth IRA purposes is your adjusted gross income (AGI) as shown on your return with some adjustments. Use Worksheet 2-1, later, to determine your modified AGI.
https://www.irs.gov/publications/p590a/ch02.html#en_US_2015_publink1000230985
Line 1 on Worksheet 2-1 is your adjusted gross income. 401(k)/403(b), 457, SEP-IRA, and individual 401(k) contributions are all “above the line” deductions, so they come out before you get to your adjusted gross income (AGI) on lines 38/39 of Form 1040. So if your gross income is $210K, and your AGI is $154K, you should be able to do direct Roth IRA contributions. But run through that worksheet just to be sure.
Thank you very much. I appreciate your promptness. Now I will set started on my tax-diversification for retirement!
One more question, if I contributed into Roth directly for 2015 now, would I declare that in taxes now before Apr 15th or next year? Thanks
What do you mean “declare?” Where on your tax form do you think you should put direct Roth IRA contributions?
So you mean that I do not need to mention it anywhere on the tax returns. Probably you guys are just talking about taxes here for backdoor roth. That got me confused as I am contributing for the first time 🙂
Thank you very much. I appreciate your promptness. Now I will set started on my tax-diversification for retirement!
Any advice for a Traditional contribution in one year, then conversion in the next. I didn’t follow your advice last year and instead contributed in tax year 2014, but the conversion is for this year. Another mistake was opening an index fund for the Traditional account since the value went up before I converted it.
Any help would be appreciated.
Craig
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/late-contributions-to-the-backdoor-roth-ira/
Thank you. Very helpful.
Since I’m going to contribute and convert for 2016 in 2016, I believe my 2016 8606 should look like the example 2015 in the post.
Craig
I just got off the phone with my broker. I’m being told that if I do the conversion of $5500 from traditional to roth IRA, the 1099-R won’t be issued until Feb 2017. Does it mean it’s too late for me to contribute for 2015?
No, you have until April 15, 2015 to do contributions. Conversions can be done at any time after that.
I understand that part. But if I don’t have 1099-R until next year, how do I enter appropriate information in TurboTax?
The conversion information goes on your 2016 taxes. The contribution information goes on your 2015 taxes. The 1099-R is about the conversion. But at least now you know why I recommend you do both in the same year–less confusing.
Got it. Thank you.
So I can make contribution for 2015 right now but I’ll be entering 1099-R on my tax return 2016. Will this interfere with my ability to contribute for 2016? For example, lets say I contribute $5500 in August for 2016 and do the conversion in September. Will I be getting two 1099-R forms or just one? And I’ll be able to enter both conversions on my 2016 tax returns, correct?
No, it won’t interfere. Just one 1099-R. Yes, both on the 2016. Just follow the directions on the 8606 and you’ll be fine. It’s actually trickier doing it in Turbotax than by hand!
Other than 1040X and the 1099-Int what other form(s) do I need to report interest income on 1099-int that I forgot to report while filing taxes for both 2014 and for 2015?
Thank you
Not sure, but potentially a Schedule B too.
My accountant tells me this is not legal and that I shouldn’t do it. He says that if my spouse and I make more than $193,000 per year we cannot contribute a single dollar into a Roth IRA. What should I do?
I’d get a new accountant. The only possible reason this could ever be illegal is the step doctrine. There are great arguments why this shouldn’t apply. Read more here: https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=186298&newpost=2833239
This is possibly a dumb question. But I recently did backdoor Roth for 2015 with vanguard. Despite converting as soon as the fund were available (2 days) a nickel managed to accrue in the traditional IRA. So now I have $0.05 in traditional Ira and $5500 in Roth. I’m going to do another Backdoor Roth later in the year for 2016. How do i deal with this nickel? My accounts not $0 so technically won’t it activate prorata when I do my next backdoor?
It is a dumb question, but it’s a dumb question I get about twice a month, so you’re hardly alone with it. Just carry it along with your next conversion. It’s not going to screw anything up because you round everything on your taxes to the nearest dollar. So 5 cents rounds down to $0.
Hi WCI,
This is great info. Although I am having a lot of trouble filling the 8606. I contributed $5500 to my rollover IRA which had $1900 and converted the thing to a ROTH IRA. I know there is supposed to be some taxable portion in this case. However, following the example that you have put, I keep getting 0 as the taxable part.
Hers’s is what I am doing –
1. 5500
2. 1900
3. 7400
4. 0
5. 7400
6. 0
7. 0
8. 7400
9. 7400
10. 1
11. 7400
12. 0
13. 7400
14. 0
15. 0
Part ii
16. 7400 (Line 8)
17. 7400 (Line 11)
18. 0
Can you please point out where I am going wrong? I will really appreciate your help
Thanks
MT
I swear I’m like the internet’s expert on filling out an 8606. I just don’t find the directions for this form to be all that difficult. Yes, if you are converting $1900 of your pre-tax money, you should be paying taxes on that $1900. Okay, let’s take a look.
1. 5500 Correct
2. 0 That’s probably your error. You had no non-deductible money in your IRA prior to 2015. The $1900 is pre-tax. It isn’t basis. Basis is post-tax money.
3. 5500
4. 0
5. 5500
6. 0
7. 0
8. 7400
9. 7400
10. 5500/7400 = 0.743
11. $5500
12. 0
13. 5500
14. 0
15. 0
16. 7400
17. 5500
18. 1900
Hope that helps. I think you were just confused about what basis means. That’s actually the biggest problem people seem to have with the form. Basis is the part you’ve already paid taxes on.
Thanks so much! This will be so very helpful.
Also my CPA had asked me for proof to show that my contributions were non-deductible. Isn’t the form 8606 doing just that? and the fact that I am not eligible for the deductions and i am not claiming them. All the the money is post tax dollars. I don’t know what else should i tell her.
MT
Yes, the 8606 is where you document that each year. Your tax returns would be the proof that you never deducted the contributions.
Hello White Coat Investor,
I am a CPA doing the tax return of a physician.
Several years ago when I first met this physician he brought in his tax information with a current year nondeductible traditional IRA contribution, and had prior year nondeductible IRA’s as well.
I suggested he reverse his current year nondeductible IRA as quickly as possible and then convert his remaining nondeductible IRA’s into a ROTH and pay the taxes on the difference between his basis and the FMV.
He decided not to do this and two years have passed.
The physician then suggested the backdoor IRA. He felt because all of his prior existing IRA’s were nondeductible traditional IRA’s he could just leave his old nondeductible IRA’s the way they were and start doing new backdoor IRA’s.
We discussed rolling his nondeductible IRA’s into his work 401 or 403b, neither of these options were available.
In January 2016 the physician contributed $5500 to a 2015 nondeductible Traditional IRA and then converted it into a ROTH one week later.
Prior to the 2015 $5500 nondeductible IRA contribution, the physician had total nondeductible traditional IRAs with a cost basis of $17,000, which at the time of the conversion are worth $25000. An increase in value of $8000. This is just an estimate because I want to make sure the correct decisions and choices are being made before I contact this person.
I am confused, until the physician introduced me to the backdoor IRA I had never heard of one before. One thing I am certain of is correctly filling out a Form 8606 is a daunting task that has perplexed me more than once before.
I think some of the conversion is taxable, even though all of the prior existing IRAs were nondeductible traditional IRA’s.
I have completed the 2015 and 2016 Form 8606 as I believe they should be filled out. I used the postings of your blog to figure it out. I have attached these Forms for your consideration.
I would like to know if 1. The Forms are correct. 2. If the Forms are not correct would you please help me to prepare them correctly? 3. Is there something else I should strongly suggest this physician do?
Thank you!
Tony