[Editor’s Note: I received this as a guest post a while back, but thought it would be better done as a Pro/Con article. Not necessarily because I thought Tim was wrong, but because I thought more details would make for a better post and you guys all like Pro/Con posts better than regular guest posts anyway, even though they’re usually quite a bit longer. In some ways, this will read like a Con/Con, but I’ll do my best with the Pro side! Tim Baker, CFP® is the Founder of Wealthshape LLC, a financial advisory firm. Tim is a paid advertiser on this site, but neither he nor I received any money for this post. I also have an affiliate agreement with several roboadvisors, but I’ll be honest, I make almost nothing from those agreements.]

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CON: Are Robo Advisors Really Acting in Your Best Interest? – Tim Baker, CFP®,

The Robo Advisor movement with its simplicity, hi-tech efficiency, and low cost has gained the attention of the general investing public. Once thought of as a fad by traditional financial advisors, “Robo’s” have entered the mainstream and appear to be in it for the long run. It’s time investors start asking some important questions about what this means for their money.

What are Robo Advisors?

Most Robo Advisors like Betterment, Schwab Intelligent Portfolios, Wealthfront, FutureAdvisor, etc., operate similarly, walking you through a brief risk tolerance questionnaire that assigns you to a pre built model portfolio based on your answers. Given the fact that they all use passive, market tracking, index based ETF’s (Exchange Traded Funds) to build their portfolios; you’re likely to find the investment experience fairly similar across the board. This makes the differences between them harder to see for anyone trying to choose between providers.

Is advice in the absence of a human advisor advice at all?

While there are great things coming out of this movement, investors need to recognize its limitations. Can something designed to offer turnkey automation always act in the specific best interests of each individual investor? To contrast with a similar movement in the law industry, even legal document platforms such as LegalZoom recognize their limitations; fully disclosing “they are not a law firm or a substitute for an attorney or law firm.”

To discount the importance of human intervention is to suggest that an algorithm can provide all the necessary guidance to being a successful investor. Research has shown that one of the largest inhibitors to investor success is controlling their own emotions. Dalbar Inc. a Boston based research firm demonstrates the gap in performance based on the 20 year return of 9.22% for the S&P 500 compared to the average equity investor return of 5.02% through 2014. There are many factors that contribute to this performance gap, but behavior can’t be discounted.

Most of these providers began gaining serious momentum post the 2008/2009 financial crisis. Betterment and Wealthfront were both founded 2008, Future Advisor in 2010 and Schwab Intelligent Portfolios in 2015. The over 6 year bull market to follow didn’t offer much of an emotional test to the discipline required of buy and hold investors. When markets go south, even subtle changes such as adjusting a portfolio to be more conservative until volatility passes, can have a significant impact on long-term performance. What safety net exists to ensure decisions are being made based on long-term goals and not emotion? At the very least, the absence of quality human interaction, adds some hurdles to the management of investor behavior.

Are Robo’s Fiduciaries? 

An advisor acting as a fiduciary is required to place the clients best interests above their own. This one’s tough to answer because it’s hard to argue that an all ETF portfolio is the most appropriate vehicle for every investor. Therefore, is the Robo Advisor actually doing what’s in the best interest of each individual client? Even though they may suggest the reasoning for using ETF’s is due to the passive, low cost, research driven investment ideology, you could easily argue that Robo Advisors use them largely because they’re easy and inexpensive to trade.

 Furthermore, how are the ETF’s objectively selected? For instance: are Schwab Intelligent Portfolios being completely objective when using underlying Schwab ETF’s in their portfolios? The same can be said of FutureAdvisor, a company owned by Blackrock that incorporates iShares ETF’s. This isn’t a shot at the merits of ETF’s as either a good or bad investment vehicle. It’s a discussion focused on whether or not an all ETF asset allocation is most appropriate for every investor.

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Then there’s the largest Robo/Hybrid Robo or whatever you wish to call Vanguard’s Personal Advisor Services offering. While difficult to argue with the low cost nature of their funds, it’s impossible to deny the lack of objectivity. This isn’t a shot at the merits of Vanguard. It’s purely an observation. When choosing Vanguard’s offering, you shouldn’t expect them to be looking outside Vanguard for something better to add to your portfolio.

Are ETF’s always the best solution?

Many Robo’s follow a factor-based approach to asset allocation. Using only ETF’s can present challenges in this area. Factor based strategies seek to target specific elements such as size, value, momentum or profitability that offer better explanations as to how returns have historically been generated. When building a portfolio it’s important to take into consideration how factors interact with one another. Because ETF’s are pure index tracking products, some control over the factor filtering process is lost. As a result, it becomes more difficult to establish multi factor exposures with the same accuracy as a non-index tracking mutual fund. If factor investing or smart beta (essentially the same thing) is what you’re looking for, ETF’s may not be the most optimal solution.

Technology has always been about becoming more efficient and improving the quality of life. However, it’s important to remember that it has its limitations. The tough questions I’ve asked should be asked by anyone intending to hire a financial advisor, Robo or not. Eventually, if enough get answered, investors will be in a far better position to compare the benefits and drawbacks of each option.

PRO: Roboadvisors Might Not Be Perfect, But They Have Significant Advantages Over the AlternativesBogleheadsAvatarGIF

All right, I’m supposed to be doing the Pro side, but I’m going to start with a few Cons. They’re totally different from Tim’s Cons, however, and I think they explain far better why I make so little from the affiliate agreements I have with Betterment, Wealthfront, Motif, Future Advisor, and Personal Capital.

Big Con # 1 These guys don’t manage all your accounts

Most Roboadvisors will only do your IRAs and your taxable account. They won’t manage your 401(k), defined benefit plan, 403(b), 457, individual 401(k), or HSA. So that means someone has to do that in addition. If that someone is you, why not just do the IRA and taxable too? If that someone is a traditional advisor, why not have them do the IRA and taxable too so they can coordinate everything together as one account? Roboadvisors are recognizing this and some are offering a 401(k). But what they’re NOT doing, is offering to manage the 401(k) you already have, which would be much more useful.

Big Con # 2 It is a very small step from using a roboadvisor to just doing it yourself. 

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Investment management can be ridiculously simple. In fact, it can be so simple that even a computer program can do it very well. But if it is really that easy, why even pay 15-30 basis points for the service?

If those two cons aren’t a big deal to you, then I think you ought to take a very serious look at a Roboadvisor, despite what Tim says. So let’s get to the Pros.

Pro # 1 All Roboadvisors use a reasonable portfolio

The most important thing with investing is that you pick something reasonable. Investors who do poorly generally do poorly for one or more of three reasons- they didn’t save enough, the portfolio isn’t reasonable, and they couldn’t stick with the portfolio due to behavioral issues. Using a roboadvisor removes the second of those issues. That’s worth something. If you don’t know what a reasonable portfolio looks like, a roboadvisor will make sure you have one.

Pro # 2 Roboadvisors will take you with nothing

Many financial advisors aren’t interested in you until you have $500K-$1 Million. But a roboadvisor will often take you with just a few hundred bucks. The beginning is when advice and service are most valuable, to get you started on the right road, but you are most valuable to your advisor in the end.  This conflict explains much of the appeal of roboadvisors- there is no competition from traditional advisors for their service because they’re serving totally different markets.

Pro # 3 Roboadvisors are super cheap

Some roboadvisors, such as Betterment, will charge you as little as 15 basis points for investment management. Meanwhile, a traditional advisor might be charging you ten times that much. So what if all the stuff Tim accuses them of is true. Those all seem to be much smaller sins than charging you ten times as much. Financial advice is really expensive stuff, and roboadvisors are offering it dirt cheap by comparison. Is the service from a human advisor better? Probably. Is it ten times better? I think that’s a hard argument to make. Tim’s fees are low, starting at 0.85% of AUM and dropping to as low as 0.55% after $3 Million, but that’s still 3-6 times what a roboadvisor is charging.

Pro # 4 Roboadvisors are probably better at tax loss harvesting than you are

Betterment (and some others) have started offering tax loss harvesting in their taxable accounts, and by all reports it is working very well. It seems to work even better than having a human do it. Some people are even opening a Betterment account because they feel they’re getting more than 15 basis points out of the tax loss harvesting service alone.

Pro # 5 You can do less vetting of a roboadvisor

The roboadvisors are all becoming big household names- Schwab, Vanguard, Betterment etc. It’s easy to see they’re not commissioned salesmen and have only relatively minor conflicts of interest. (It’s not like Vanguard and Schwab ETFs are bad funds to invest in.) None of them are going to pull a Bernie Madoff on you. They all have hundreds of reviews online you can read. They’re all going to be around longer than any human advisor.

Pro # 6 The Backdoor Roth Button

Betterment has a feature where they show a button that says “Backdoor Roth.” Seriously. All you do is hit the button and your Backdoor Roth IRA gets done. I spend hours explaining to people how to do a backdoor Roth. Betterment has a button. That’s pretty cool.

Now, a few specific criticisms of Tim’s piece.

First, is advice from a roboadvisor really advice? Of course it is. Are you probably getting less advice and service than from a human? Probably, but it’s not like there is no advice or service there. Give me a break.

Second, Tim is bringing up the Dalbar study like pretty much every other advisor out there saying, “See, you guys are idiots and if you try to do this yourself you’re going to shoot yourself in the foot.” While I think there is some truth to that for many investors (please read a behavioral finance book and a financial history book if you have not done so), the Dalbar study has some pretty serious limitations that rarely get explained. They basically compare the time weighted return to the dollar weighted return and conclude that because the dollar weighted return is lower, then investors are killing themselves through bad behavior. But there are other reasons the dollar weighted return is lower, such as the fact that individual investors make periodic investments. This makes the dollar weighted return lower than the time weighted return when the market is rising (like it usually does) and vice versa. When you eliminate that effect, and the effect of a good advisor’s fees, and the effect of the risk of potentially mistaking a bad advisor for a good one, the behavior gap is far smaller than they’d have you believe.

Third, Tim argues that robos aren’t fiduciaries. I have to laugh a little bit. Would a fiduciary charge you $10-30K a year to do something that can mostly be done by a computer program? Does that sound like someone looking out for your best interest? Yet that is what many fee-only advisors do.

Fourth, Tim argues that Vanguard, Future Advisor, and Schwab use their own ETFs. What he doesn’t mention, however, is that those ETFs are pretty much all fine. Not a bad one in the bunch.

Fifth, Tim argues against using ETFs at all for all investors. Yes, there are some advantages of mutual funds over ETFs. I use both myself for various applications. But the fact is any advantage of a mutual fund over an ETF pales in comparison to the price difference between a roboadvisor and a traditional one.

CON Rebuttal

Regarding Roboadvisor Portfolios Being Reasonable

I agree with WCI that roboadvisors may not eliminate behavioral issues. WCI says all roboadvisors use a reasonable portfolio. However, this is an untested aspect. Provided the upfront risk tolerance questions are answered with perfect honesty and conceptual understanding, then yes, they will provide a “historically reasonable” portfolio. I say historically because when addressing risk, it’s easy to over simplify. During the 2008/2009 downturn most portfolios fell out of the historical norms in terms of volatility measurements such as standard deviation. Despite being in a reasonable allocation, many investors strayed from their moderate portfolios into more conservative portfolios. Asset allocation changes should be made based on financial planning related items. I agree. Being a successful investor involves all three topics (savings rate, asset allocation, and behavior) so I believe any service offering professional guidance should look at all three.

Regarding Advisory Expenses

WCI says Roboadvisors are “super-cheap.” I agree that if you were to look at the advisory community as a whole you would find that most are charging excessive fees for their services. It’s one of the biggest reasons that Robo’s have gained traction. However, there are some of us that are not even close to ten times the price. Just as Robo’s were the response to 1%+ fees associated with traditional advisors, I built WealthShape as a response to Robo’s because I believe that professional guidance and investment management go hand in hand providing they’re reasonably priced. WCI does a good job of screening those advisors listed on the site.

[Ed. Note: Tim’s fees on a $100K portfolio are 0.85%. Betterment’s are 0.15%. That is 5.7X higher. I’ll let readers decide if they would describe 5.7X as “not even close” to 10X. Obviously some robo advisors charge more and Tim’s fees decrease when you hit seven figures. I agree with him that when the ranges start overlapping you might as well have a human. The main benefit of a roboadvisor is the much lower cost.]

Regarding Fiduciary Duty

WCI gives fair criticism here. I should clarify the type of advice as being fiduciary in nature. FINRA and the SEC issued a joint warning on Robo advisors in May of 2015 saying the services often overgeneralize and make assumptions that do not assess your particular circumstances. The issue is really the willingness to accept the mantle of acting in a client’s best interest at all times and whether what you receive from a Robo can be quantified as such. I think that this is a broader question of whether an investment advisor, Robo or not, is actually fulfilling their responsibilities of gathering and monitoring an individual’s financial situation and investment objectives.

Regarding DALBAR

Dalbar certainly has its issues. As I mentioned, there are many factors involved in its computation, making the behavioral gap smaller than most portray it. I’m not even suggesting that the addition of a human advisor can automatically prevent such behavioral tendencies. I believe that Jim has accurately suggested, “there is no perfect advisor“. I was only addressing the fact that emotions play a role in investment success and I do not believe that Robo Advisors have the ability to adequately compensate for the behavioral gap in performance.

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What do you think? Do you use a roboadvisor? Why or why not? Which one do you use and why did you pick that one? Do you have concerns about a roboadvisor not being a fiduciary to you? Do you have concerns about not having someone to help you avoid bad investor behavior?