With some services we recommend, vetting/due diligence is relatively easy because of the nature of the business. Insurance might be the prime example, but I also include student loan refinancing, mortgages, and even financial advisors in that list. The services take place relatively rapidly and many readers use each of those services in any given month. Due to the long-term nature of real estate investments, this process is dramatically more difficult, so I consider our real estate company list more of an “introduction list” than a “recommended list.” I have invested myself with many of these companies, but usually only with a single deal or two over a few years. Just finding their name on this site doesn’t excuse you from having to do your own due diligence. In 2019, we began requiring companies listed here to submit an application. Please read them before investing as they contain questions and answers that I think you should ask/know prior to investing.
The page is divided into five different categories–
- Private real estate funds,
- Syndicators,
- Real estate platforms,
- Real Estate Investment Trusts, and
- Turnkey Real Estate Companies.
Although many companies don’t fit easily into a single category, I’ve tried to place them where I feel they best fit. In case it isn’t crystal clear, I have a business relationship (either flat fee ads or an affiliate relationship) with each of these companies.
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Private Real Estate Funds
One of my favorite ways to invest, a private fund provides a great deal of professional expertise in selecting and managing investments and ready diversification between deals. While equity funds are usually quite illiquid, some of the debt funds do provide significant liquidity after a year. Minimum investments generally range from $50,000 to $1 Million per fund.
One subset of this category is what I call an access fund provider. In exchange for an additional level of fees, this type of platform helps you choose a fund, reduces the cost of entry to the fund (often to something like $25,000), and may even provide other special incentives for investors going through the platform such as a reduced fund fee.
# 1 CityVest
CityVest is the first real estate investing platform to offer exclusive trade marked “Access Funds” allowing individual investors such as doctors to invest in the highest quality, top-performing institutional real estate private equity funds. These funds often have minimum investments ranging from $200K to $1M, but CityVest pools investor capital into an “Access Fund” with a much lower minimum investment, often just $25,000.
CityVest offers its investors a diverse selection of Access Funds including debt funds, multi-family properties, student housing, self-storage, medical properties, office, retail, industrial and mobile home parks. Each fund has a diversified pool of assets, extensive investment management expertise, and targets large assets where investment returns are highest. There are four significant benefits to CityVest’s Access Funds:
- Institutional Quality. CityVest’s investors obtain unique access to multi-hundred million dollar institutional investment funds that invest in large, quality real estate assets that may generate higher investment returns than small riskier single asset and small sponsor deals,
- Low Minimum Investment. CityVest’s investors can invest as little as $25,000, in order to access the underlying fund which usually requires a minimum investment of $200,000 to $1 million,
- Better Investment Terms. CityVest is able to negotiate improved investment terms from the underlying fund due to the fact that CityVest aggregates many investors (like an insurance buying group). Since CityVest’s Access Fund might be at an aggregate investment amount approaching $5 million, the underlying fund may reduce fees or give better terms, partially offsetting the CityVest fees,
- Audited Track Record. CityVest has a rigorous due diligence and selection process for each fund, which requires the fund to have a proven, audited track record. In addition, CityVest utilizes a third party administrator to mange its accounting, taxes and distributions.
I have invested in the DLP Access Fund through CityVest. Other white coat investors participated in that deal as well as their prior Pathfinder deal.
Two current deals right now:
First, the DLP Access Fund II, which invests in the DLP Income and Growth Fund, a debt fund that primarily loans short term money to house flippers and developers. Targeted return in the 9% range after-fees. If you invest through WCI links your minimum investment is $25K rather than the $250K the fund requires you get half off the CityVest management fee for the first year. More information can be found in this post.
Second, the Medical Properties Access Fund, which invests in the New Era Medical Investment Fund II, an equity fund that primarily invests in a value-add and development strategy in medical properties in Texas, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Indiana. Fund managers boast past performance of 34%+ and expect an IRR to investors in this fund of 18-20%. The value proposition for the access fund is a higher preferred return (15% instead of 8%), a lower promote (80/20 instead of 70/30). If you go through this link, your minimum investment is only $25K and half of your first year annual CityVest fee is waived.
Invest with CityVest today!
# 2 Clairmont Capital
Clairmont puts together the only “Co-GP” funds that I know about. Clairmont Capital Group is a Los Angeles-based real estate private equity firm, specializing in General Partner (“GP”) equity co-investments alongside best-in-class commercial real estate operators, developers and institutional capital partners in major U.S. markets. Basically, they provide some of the capital the GP is expected to bring in exchange for getting the extra return from the promote on that capital. So for their investors, it’s the best of both worlds–the higher return available to the GP without the hassle of being the GP. I wrote a blog post about this type of investment here.
They are raising capital for two funds right now. The first is “Fund III”, which is a broadly diversified Co-GP fund that invests primarily in development and value-add acquisition strategies across four asset classes: Senior Housing, Student Housing, Industrial/Logistics, and Workforce Housing. It is a 6-8 year fund with a $100K+ minimum, an 8% preferred return, a 2% annual fee plus an 80/20 split above the preferred return). 75% of the capital has already been raised and 33% already deployed, giving you visibility into what you will be invested in.
The second fund is a “Fund of Funds” with a lower minimum (just $25K) that invests 40% into Fund III and 60% into 5 already identified “sidecar deals” in student housing and senior housing. It actually has lower fees than Fund III and is filling rapidly.
Invest with Clairmont Capital today!
# 3 Alpha Investing Fund I
Real estate platform Alpha Investing is now starting a fund expected to close in 2020 Q1. It will be investing in 10-12 equity deals similar to those already on its platform, mostly multi-family, student housing, and senior housing in multiple states. Minimum investment is $50K and fees are quite low compared to other funds (2% origination, 0.5% a year, and then an 80/20 promote ONLY on returns above the 10% preferred return). Although capital is called all at once, it will earn 4% until deployed. I’ll be investing in this fund.
Invest in Alpha Investing Fund I Today!
# 4 37th Parallel Fund I
37th Parallel has been doing multi-family syndications for years and is now opening its first fund. This $20-40M fund has a $100K minimum. It will have a value-add strategy targeting 100-450 door Class A- to C+ apartment complexes in 12 markets across Texas, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia. They will be calling capital over 42 months and the fund will last up to 10 years. Fee/waterfall structure includes an 8% preferred return and an 80/20 split after that. Track record shows an average gross IRR of 18.84%. I have personally invested with 37th Parallel in the past, will be investing in this fund, and have negotiated a $500 fee discount for you if you go through this link. If you prefer individually choosing which properties you invest in, they will still be doing individual syndications too.
Invest in 37th Parallel Fund I Today!
Real Estate Syndicators/Developers
Syndicated real estate is popular among white coat investors because it provides economies of scale a single investor cannot get and allows investment into large properties (such as apartment complexes) a single investor cannot afford. By banding together with up to 98 other investors, you get a lot of the benefits of direct ownership with little hassle.
# 1 Mortar Capital Management
Mortar Capital Management Application
This New York based development company combines developers, architects, construction managers, deal originators, and private investors to build, lease-up, and sell new buildings. With an 18 year track record of having never lost investor money while providing an IRR to investors of 18.7%, there is potential for a real boost to your portfolio.
They are currently raising money for North Park Lofts, a $43 Million, 3 year ground-up project for a 47,000 square foot building that will contain 36 residential units and 4 retail units. Their pro-forma is projecting a 25% IRR to investors. I’ll be helping them do a webinar about this deal on February 13th at 4 pm Eastern. RSVP here (even if you can’t watch it live because I believe it will be recorded.) If you would like to learn more:
Sign-up with Mortar Capital Management today! (increased preferred return on the project from 12% to 13% when using this link)
# 2 37th Parallel
While they are starting their first fund (see above), they are going to continue offering value-add, multi-family investments a la carte. You’ll appreciate their long track record and conservative strategy. (They’ve never had a losing investment.)
Get more information about 37th Parallel today!
Real Estate Platforms
These companies are most commonly thought of as online crowdfunders that connect real estate syndicators/developers with investors. Although you still usually need to be an accredited investor, minimum investments are generally lower than going directly to the syndicators.
# 1 Alpha Investing
This is a unique platform that I reviewed here. WCI Network partner Passive Income MD and I are advisors to the company. Volume is relatively low here due to the extensive vetting they do as a result of their unique fee structure and they’re really looking for long term relationships with both their investors and developers so expect a more personalized experience than most other platforms.
Alpha Investing is also now starting a real estate fund with an anticipated close in Q1 of 2020. It will invest in 10-12 investments similar to those previously on its platform (multi-family, student housing, senior housing).
Invest with Alpha Investing today! ($100 off your origination fee for your first investment when using this link)
# 2 EquityMultiple
Offers equity and debt investments to accredited investors
My favorite two things about Equity Multiple are their transparency and the fact that they invest alongside their investors on every deal. Since they have skin in the game, I expect them to be a little more conservative with their due diligence. Their volume is not as high as some companies, but perhaps that is a reflection of higher quality of the deals that do show up. Minimum investments are typically $5-10K.
I have one current investment with EquityMultiple.
Invest today with EquityMultiple! (Management fee waived on your first investment when using this link)
# 3 CrowdStreet
Offers mostly equity, some debt investments, and funds to accredited investors
Crowdstreet is one of the highest volume platforms and is highly-ranked by those “in the know.” They offer a wide variety of types of investments. They charge fees to the sponsor/syndicator rather than the investor. Crowdstreet also allows you to interact directly with the sponsor rather than having to go through them. They provide a free 176-page ebook to teach you about real estate investing. Minimums tend to be a little higher than with most platforms ($10-50K).
I have no current or prior investments with CrowdStreet.
Invest with CrowdStreet today!
Private Real Estate Investment Trusts (REITs)
Many investors know about REITs from their publicly traded cousins available in an investment such as the Vanguard REIT Index Fund. REITS have a unique legal structure that requires them to pay out essentially all of their profits each year to investors. Although somewhat comparable to funds, REITs have different tax treatment (benefit from the 199A deduction but don’t have depreciation passed through to investors) and generally have more liquidity and lower investment minimums. You may not even have to be an accredited investor to invest in these.
# 1 RealtyMogul
Offers equity and debt investments to accredited investors and REITs to non-accredited investors
I have been partnering with RealtyMogul for years, having met their CEO back in 2013, and have been investing with them for nearly as long. At one point they had pretty good volume for accredited investor investments, but seem to have shifted their focus toward the non-accredited market. Platform fees are average to slightly higher than average. Minimums can be a little on the high side for the individual deals (but are very low for the REITs).
I have one current investment through RealtyMogul, which has had a few issues but is almost back up to proforma.
Invest with RealtyMogul today!
# 2 Fundrise
Offers REITs and funds to non-accredited investors
Fundrise has completely transitioned over to a REIT/fund structure offered to non-accredited investors, although the one investment I’ve had with them was prior to this transition (and in fact, the asset was sold to one of the REITs!). They now have seven REITs/Funds with various focuses, including income, growth, and various geographic areas. Minimums are the lowest I’ve seen, just $500.
I have one past investment (preferred equity) through Fundrise, which performed exactly as expected.
Invest with Fundrise today!
Turnkey Real Estate Companies
When you go through a turnkey real estate company, you own the real estate directly and singly. You get all the benefits (depreciation, control, profits) and all of the downsides (risk, lack of diversification, illiquidity). However, the company builds (or fixes up) the property and puts a tenant in it before selling it to you. They then manage the property and often even sell it for you when you’re read to be done. While there are fees for this service, it is a great way to reduce the hassle of direct ownership, especially in locations away from your local area.
# 1 Roofstock
Marketplace for buying and selling single-family rental homes, enabling investors to acquire income-producing real estate in 40 markets across the country. Roofstock is a great solution for owners who want the benefits of direct ownership and want to have more control over their investment – you are buying the home directly and own it outright, with traditional home loan financing options available for most investors. Their team is available to guide you through the entire process from exploring the marketplace all the way through closing, and they also provide a 30-day money-back guarantee on every home.
What do you think? Have you invested in crowdfunded real estate? Which companies have you used? What did you like or dislike about them? Comment below!
A helpful list to be sure. I appreciate you gathering all of this and letting those of us who haven’t taken the leap get a peak inside real estate crowdfunding.
Some questions for the would-be crowdfunder:
1) I know 20% of your portfolio is in real estate. What percentage of your real estate investments are now inside crowdfunding as opposed to REITs, owning property, etc?
2) How much correlation do you feel that there is compared to the stock market?
3) How volatile do you view equity investments? How often do these deals go sideways and you lose your money?
TPP
1. 60% stock, 20% bonds, 20% real estate
Of that real estate, 5% in Vanguard REIT index, 10% in equity deals/funds and websites and 5% in debt deals/funds. I wouldn’t say I own ANY property directly since our accidental rental property was sold. Honestly, really don’t enjoy it. Maybe if I wasn’t pouring so much time/effort into the website I’d be more interested in direct ownership.
2. Hard to know exactly since it isn’t marked to market each day. Fair correlation with REITs since they’re traded on the market. I’d expect low correlation with private funds/deals, probably not zero though.
3. Hard to know since they’re not marked to market. With one, it’s only valued once a year so it doesn’t seem very volatile at all. With most of the rest, they’re not valued for 5-7 years until they’re sold. How often do they go sideways? Hard to know. With a good syndicator, it seems that with equity deals that 1/3 of the time they beat their proforma, 1/3 they more or less get it, and 1/3 they underperform it but are usually still positive. I think actually losing money over 5-7 years is pretty rare. With debt deals, a good fund may only have a 1-2% default rate. I think AlphaFlow, which mostly buys debt deals from crowdfunding sites, it’s about 3%.
Thanks for answering those questions in depth. Helpful for those of us thinking about giving in at some point.
I need to diversify with real estate, and this sounds like the route I’ll likely go.
TPP
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I have invested in RealtyShares for 3 different offerings (all debt) and have had no issue with receiving the interest and principal back as promised.
The hold periods for this type of offering were 1 yr and one property did ask for a 6 month extension.
Since I have turned to private syndication I have not really looked to invest further money into this space but do think it is a good option for a non accredited investor.
Which syndicators have you had success with.
I have only dealt with one syndicator which is 37th parallel and have had great experience with them. I was actually introduced to them via the white coat blog when a former ER doc Dennis Bethel wrote several inspiring posts.
I actually interviewed him on my blog and he did a great review of crowdfunding versus syndication and provided a lot of high yield links if you are thinking about this type of investment.
The interview can be found at:
https://xrayvsn.com/2018/07/05/x-ray-beam-dennis-bethel-m-d-37th-parallel/
Thanks for this review. I have invested in all kinds of real estate, but not of the crowdsource variety. People ask me for advice on these so this helps me. I met some of the PeerStreet folks and I was very impressed. I would like to see which of these and others still thrive when a market downturn tests them. Most physicians will be qualified investors but it is good to have other options for those who don’t quite qualify yet or who are residents and want to dabble in real estate investing.
I agree that ten years from now it’ll be much easier to tell the winners from the losers in the crowdfunding space. I do think there will be winners though.
I have had Realtyshares and realtymogul investments and have had issues with their equity investments. Can’t recommend either.
Both disintermediate investor from sponsor and neither has done a very good job on oversight on behalf of their investors from my investments with them.
Your experience primarily in debt may have been better because it is shorter term and less risky.
There is a TON of garbage out there in syndicated real estate investments (not attributing this to rs or rm). Investor beware and DO YOUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I agree it’s a caveat emptor kind of market.
Thanks for this information! I was hoping you could speak a little more to the fees related to these investments. Looking over your other posts, fees of 1% would tend to be an easy decision not to invest in or with, such as 1% expense ratio for a mutual fund or 1% AUM for a financial advisor. Still trying to understand, appreciate your help!
The fees are a little different so you can’t really look at them the same way. With something like AlphaFlow, it’s exactly the same as an advisor fee, I mean, technically that’s what they are is an RIA. With a crowdfunded company, it’s somewhat similar in that it’s an additional layer of fees you don’t have to pay if you don’t want their due diligence and low minimums and are willing to go directly to a syndicator. With the syndicator itself, it’s kind of part of the business expenses, like Apple’s business expenses. Those aren’t include in the expense ratio of Total Stock Market Index Fund.
But you’re not going to get a syndicator to do this for 0.04%. So you either pay the 1%+, or you don’t play. You have to decide if you’re okay with that and in the case of a company like AlphaFlow or one of these crowdfunding sites, you have to decide if the value is worth the price.
What would be your recommendation for those of us that want to put in ZERO due diligence, ideally have new investments selected on autopilot and have a preference for debt deals and tax filing simplification? PeerStreet, AlphaFlow, a realestate fund?
Is it worth it (hastle and fees) to invest in an IRA. It looks like most of these companies make you use their partnered IRA which all have some fees.
If that is the case, I’d go with either a private fund or if you’d rather avoid it all, just the Vanguard REIT index fund. Or really you can avoid real estate completely if you want.
I’m using AlphaFlow, Broadmark, and Arixa right now for debt. It’s a ton more diversified than picking loans from crowdfunding sites, but there is an additional layer of fees.
I haven’t done real estate in an IRA yet (although I had some peer to peer loans in a Roth IRA), but obviously debt investments are very tax inefficient, so it can make sense. But it does add fees and hassle in exchange for better tax treatment.
I second Dr. Dahle’s comments. If you don’t want to do any due diligence, then you might consider either (1) not investing or (2) choosing something like VNQ (Vanguard Real Estate ETF [US Only]) or VNQI (Vanguard Real Estate Global [non-US]).
But I guess I question, I’d be concerned that you want to do “ZERO due diligence”… I mean, everything requires a level of due diligence. Even an ETF — what’s their expense ratio? What markets are they following? I’d be careful adopting that attitude too aggressively.
I have looked into this space but decided that Vanguard REIT is enough for me for the cons you mentioned: diversification, risk, fees… However, I can see how you can potentially get higher yield with crowd funding.
Perhaps I’ve just been unlucky, but I haven’t had a great experience with RealtyShares. I chose to invest across three deals. One was a debt deal (an acquisition loan on a small multi-family property), one is an equity deal on an apartment building and the third one is an equity deal on a shopping center (I believe WCI is also part of this investment as it is located in Utah and he has referenced it before in other posts).
Debt Deal #1: The interest rate was 9% and the duration of the loan was supposed to be 12 months. The sponsor was consistently late making the monthly interest payments and eventually defaulted on the loan. The property was foreclosed upon by RS and after it was resold (12 months later) I took a 32.77% loss on my initial investment. According to RS, the sponsor had a portfolio of over $5M in residential rentals, had completed over 60 transactions since 2014 and was personally guaranteeing the loan.
Equity Deal #1: An apartment building with a 5 year target hold targeting an IRR of 19%. Cashflow was projected at a preferred rate of 10%. The deal closed in November 2016. After it closed RS notified investors the sponsor intended to make the first disbursement “around March 2018.” As of August 2018, no disbursements have been made. There have been a bunch of issues with the property, financial targets have not been met and according to the 2017 K-1 there has been a net loss of 22%. Of course, this is an equity deal, so the return on this investment is unknown until it is exited. On that note the sponsor has indicated they may decide to sell the property in 2018 as opposed to 2021. According to RS, the sponsor operates a value-add multifamily platform and has acquired over 7,000 value-add units, entailing over $400 million in investment.
Equity Deal #2: A grocery-anchored shopping center. WCI has referenced this investment before as his “Grocery Store,” in his other crowdfunding posts. Basically, the projected return was 6% and it’s been returning about 5.5%. So, no issues here to date. Total return will be calculated when the investment is exited.
Of course, going in I understood the risks associated with these types of investments and crowdfunding represents only about 1.5% of my entire portfolio. My issue with RealtyShares is, as Dave pointed out, they don’t seem to do a great job of oversight with their sponsors. Further, it seems like RS has very little control or ability to hold sponsors accountable once the transaction is completed (e.g. a 5 year hold becomes 2 year hold, updates are not given in a timely manner, K-1’s may or may not show up on time). To be fair, these are issues that probably exist to some degree on all crowdfunding sites. However, in my opinion the risk and aggravation is just not worth the reward. It seems like a bit of a crapshoot overall. Again, maybe I’ve just been unlucky, but I do not plan to invest any more money with these crowdfunding platforms.
Thanks for sharing your experience. For sure, every deal is unique and every platform is unique, you can’t rely JUST on the crowdfunding to do due diligence, 8% return much less 15%+ returns don’t come without risk, and you shouldn’t invest more than you’re willing to lose.
I agree there is an element of crapshoot, but even given that you seem to have gotten particularly crummy results so far. The first one really bothers me, even if you didn’t lose very many actual dollars, that’s a massive loss by percentage for something backed by a property in first lien position. Debt funds seem to have a default rates of 1-3%. Not sure how that compares to RS’s debt foreclosure record.
Caveat emptor.
I definitely agree you should not invest more than you are willing to lose. That’s with any investment, but particularly with these types of deals. Luckily, the minimum investment on the debt deal was $2K and I was really just dipping my toe in the water. So, even with the 33% loss it wasn’t very much money. The apartment complex had a significantly higher minimum, so I’m hoping that one works out better in the long run.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of due diligence beyond online research do you do with these types of crowdfunded deals? Initially, I assumed that any deal on the platform would be thoroughly vetted by RS and they would be on top of the sponsors throughout the process to hold them accountable. That was my fault for not asking questions and making assumptions, so I learned my lesson the hard way. Nonetheless, I appreciate the all the WCI posts on this subject as it is hard to find objective information on these types of investments.
I read through the paperwork and Google the principal’s names at a minimum. But I kind of got sick of doing it for each $2-5K I would invest, thus the movement toward funds/individual syndicators. Of course, part of the reason I can do those things is I now have a lot more income to invest than I used to. If I was only investing $10-30K into real estate a year like most docs, I’d probably still be doing the crowdfunded thing because I wouldn’t have the money to make the minimums for funds and going directly to syndicators.
Rich B. , thanks for providing your perspective. I have been tentative to dive into the realm of real estate crowdfunding and your situation makes me even more hesitant. Thanks again.
It’s certainly optional.
Thanks Jim for your above answer. I’m still leaning towards the auto-invest function with PeerStreet. Have you used this? (I’d probably set at 7%+, up to 70% LTV, up to 12 month term). Though I’d be interested in your thoughts on the settings to get the best value and still good quantity, as opinions seem to vary widely. Or do you manually pick each deal after researching?
No, I haven’t done that, but it sounds reasonable. I don’t have any individual deals with PeerStreet. I’ve been moving toward funds because I like it EVEN MORE automated than that. There are some additional fees of course.
Jim; In a comment above you wrote, “I’m using AlphaFlow, Broadmark, and Arixa right now for debt. It’s a ton more diversified than picking loans from crowdfunding sites, but there is an additional layer of fees.” However, none of these are listed in “top” recommendations or “other companies worth a mention”.
Please explain.
This is a list of top crowdfunded companies. As explained in the posts I’m running twice a year or so, I’m moving away from these toward funds. So I have a mix of funds, individual deals bought directly through the syndicators, and leftover crowdfunded website sourced deals. The post notes the ones I have invested with in the past and am currently invested with, but if you want more details, check out my last real estate update.
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/real-estate-update/
How do you re-invest the monthly/quarterly funds you receive? Put them into a separate REIT?
Thanks
They go in with my investments for that month. Sometimes that means they go into a mutual fund like TSM. Sometimes it means they go back into similar investments. But yes, I use the Vanguard REIT index fund as needed to rebalance the less liquid investments.
I have experience with Realty Shares and Peer Street.
Both experiences are mixed, and I am phasing out of my investments with RS. I have one debt deal with them that went into default, foreclosure, resale, problems with closing the deal, etc. dragging out for 18 months now with little information flow. I will be happy to get $1500 of my initial $3000 investment back at this point.
My other two deals with RS were equity deals (including the SLC shopping center), and both appear to be underperforming the expected returns (in very favorable real estate markets). I also did not like the K-1 filing for these, and there are regularly the last two documents that I am waiting for to file my taxes.
With Peer Street, I have had more success, but the more desirable deals are fully subscribed by auto-investors when they are announced (I am hesitant to auto-invest), and I feel like I am mostly picking through the flotsam and jetsam. I have had my money returned on all deals, so far, with one that defaulted, foreclosed, and the property is now owned by Peer Street. We will see how that one works out.
At peak, I had $50-55k in various crowdfunding investments between these two sites. I am now down to about $35K and am hesitant to add more or even reinvest into new deals.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Just an update. My defaulted RS deal resulted in a $1300 capital loss. I invested $3000 and $1700 was returned to me. I have earned a total of $3400 in interest and cash yields, probably averaging in the 6-8% range for the investments, so this drops me to about 4-6% annually, since early 2016.
Remind me, was that a debt or equity deal?
The defaulted position was a debt position.
I’m not sure why anyone would consider crowdfunding real estate deals when there are so many publicly traded REITs available. The REITs have the big advantages of liquidity (sell instantly, get your money in a couple days), diversification, and long term track records. Plus, many REITs are trading at a discount to book value. In addition, there are various types of REITs to choose from: residential, commercial, medical buildings, senior housing, etc.
I invested more than 30 projects with RS over last 3 years. The results were mixed. Some Equity deals came back w 28% IRR. On the negative side, one debt only got 50% principal back after foreclosure due to bad sponsor who basically took the money but did not do any renovation (with projected ARV of 70% which appears safe on the beginning) while collecting rents for two years! My over-all return may be in the range of 10%+/-.
Dose any one in WCI network is looking into the Life Insurance Settlement Funds that some claim with IRR of 15 or more?
I looked into it and seriously considered adding it to my portfolio (perhaps 5%) but it didn’t pass the spouse test, i.e. Katie wasn’t comfortable with it. That’s fine, you don’t have to invest in everything to be successful. But I liked the promising returns and low correlation with the rest of my portfolio.
Invested on the Realtyshares platform on 21 deals. Mixed results. Ten deals paid out with return of principal and interest. Yet, some of the repayment was delayed 3-6 months with extensions when deal maturity dates passed. Of the remaining 11 deals, I have one in which there has not been a repayment of principal for over 1 year following sale of a home at a loss and a lawsuit has been filed in California by Realtyshares as the individual had a personal guarantee on the loan which he received from Realtyshares. Another two deals have also not paid out in Connecticut and Massachusetts: initially the interest payments stopped, then the maturation deadline for return of principal did not post and ultimately Realtyshares investigated and the individuals were found to have committed a fraudulent scheme. An investigation and pending lawsuit proceedings have begun. So far, approximately 10 percent return on investment as long as there is a return of principal on the three deals which have faultered; otherwise, I will only have broken even.
Looking at Vanguard REITS for future investment purposes.
That settles it for me (though I had already made up my mind). I am done with Realty Shares. I have two equity positions that will (hopefully) cash out in the next couple years.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Please do update us when the lawsuits finalize.
I’ve heard a lot of talk about investing costs in private RE funds and syndications. ie. Aquisition fees, Asset management fees, property management fees, dispositions fees and upside payments (80/20) to the sponsors.
I have found it difficult to compare costs in these syndications/ private funds /RECF placements with a typical public REIT. I assume that ownership in a public REIT still has some of these costs buried in them somewhere?
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Yes, I think that’s fair to assume.
I’m starting to wonder how i can find seed money to dabble with buying my first property to flip for a profit. Do you know of any online sources I can go to for seed grant money to get started in real estate?
I get my investing money by going to work, earning money, and then not spending it. You could try that.
Your #1 RS is winding down with no more new projects offered from now on. All of us who invested into projects in RS should pray that all existing projects will exit normally. Thanks.
Perhaps things have changed with PeerStreet in that they may be less selective in their loan or borrower selection. Of the 9 properties I am invested in 2 are 30 days late in making an interest payment & 2 60 days late. Provided information as to their status is completely generic – “December 04, 2018 The originating lender has reached out to the borrower and the borrower has been unresponsive. A demand letter will be sent to the borrower if the loan is not reinstated. November 01, 2018 The originating lender is contacting the borrower regarding the late payment. October 01, 2018 The originating lender is contacting the borrower regarding the late payment.” I have utilized what I thought to be good criteria in loan selection – Criteria – credit score > 650, LTV (capital stack) < 65%, Lender – NO defaulted or REO loans, Loan duration – 12 months or less, & Interest rate 8-9%. Also no one property has more than $2,000 in it to spread out the risk. It is too early to know whether any property will go into default or be foreclosed upon, but some may be thinking of utilizing PeerStreet to generate a nice monthly income stream which for me does not seem to be the case. Also, we encounter enough deadbeats in our practice or home lives, so why go seek them out?
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