Long-term readers know that we're not really big on debt. We worked our way through undergraduate. I avoided medical school debt by signing four years of my life away with the military. We also don't buy cars on credit or carry balances on credit cards. We pay extra on mortgages and prefer 15 year mortgages to 30 year mortgages. But technically, I have not been debt free since I was 18, almost 24 years ago, due to some debt or other. Recently that changed.
Our main (okay only) debt the last few years has been our mortgage. In October 2010 we bought a house for $482,000, putting 20% down and taking out a 15 year fixed mortgage of around $386,000 at 3.375%. We refinanced a couple of times as rates dropped and eventually ended up with a 2.75% mortgage, which is mostly deductible to us leaving us with an effective mortgage rate of something like 1.6%, a little less than inflation. That very low mortgage rate, the availability of much more attractive investments (usually in tax-advantaged accounts), and significant need to take risk to reach our goals kept us from routinely throwing extra money at the mortgage. However, over the last couple of years as we have loosened the purse strings and started spending more, we have looked at that mortgage with more and more disdain. Since money is fungible, in effect, we are borrowing against our house to buy wake boats, brand new cars, fancy bicycles, trips to Belize, and heli-skiing adventures. We're really not okay with that.
Paying Off The Mortgage Early
So we have decided to pay off the mortgage early. At first, due to the obvious arbitrage opportunity between borrowing at 1.6% and investing in the markets we simply started a taxable investing account and called it our mortgage pay-off fund. That works out well for us as we claim any tax losses against our regular income and then use appreciated shares for our charitable contributions. Given stock market returns the last couple of years, we have come out ahead doing that. However, we have been fortunate to have seen not only our income but also our net worth climb dramatically the last couple of years. At the end of 2016, having already maxed out all of our significant tax-advantaged space, invested a sizable amount into a taxable investing account, increased our charitable giving, and blown plenty of money on fun stuff, we still had a lot of cash sitting around. So we sent it to our mortgage lender. Prior to that check, our mortgage was down in the $275K range. The check was $138K, precisely the cost of our first post-residency house and about half of what we owed. The next month was also a good one here at WCI, so we sent them another $40K check, which brought our mortgage down into the high five figure range. Theoretically, our mortgage was now paid off, since that taxable account was sitting at $152K and the mortgage was now only $97K.
Well, the year came to an end and all of a sudden we had tax-advantaged space to invest in again. So now our extra earnings would start the cycle again. First the Backdoor Roths and the HSA. Then the 529s up to the state deduction limit. Then the 401(k)s and at the end of March the defined benefit/cash balance plan for 2016. Lots of tax payments are due in April (remainder of 2016 taxes, quarterly estimated for 2017, 2016 state taxes) but by May we had maxed out the 401(k)s and were left with the decision of investing in taxable or paying off the mortgage. So we sent in a check for the remainder and now we're debt-free!
Why We Paid Off Our Mortgage Early
So why did we do it?
# 1 The Borrower is Slave to the Lender
Proverbs 22:7 says “the rich rule over the poor and the borrower is slave to the lender.” As blog commenter Csciora pointed out a few months ago,
Why settle for a 30 year mortgage when a lifelong mortgage would seemingly provide the same benefits? It should be an even better deal. What you haven’t mentioned is the decision to borrow money in the first place (indebtedness) is simply a decision – not a requirement. There are certainly ways to own a car, receive a high-level degree and even own a home without acquiring debt.
Prior to around 1940, the concept of a mortgage didn’t exist. You saved enough cash and/or built your own home. The idea of borrowing money for “basic” living expenses is a modern concept. Only a few decades later, most people have decided that borrowing to finance their lifestyle is both acceptable and necessary. I just saw an article saying the average new car financing is over $30,000 with a typical loan payoff of 68 months. That’s entirely due to marketing, not necessity.
My point is analyzing the benefits of financial arbitrage on big-ticket items entirely skips past the idea of simply buying them outright in the first place. Debt carries far more baggage than simply numbers in a spreadsheet.
While technically the average mortgage length increased from 5 years to 12 years during The Great Depression and the 30 year mortgage is a product of the VA loan for returning WWII GIs, the fundamental truth remains that when you owe something to someone else, you have promised them some of your future life energy/earnings/income that could be used for something else if you didn't owe the money. The value of your debt is remarkably stable when compared to income and assets, both of which can fluctuate greatly due to unforeseeable future events.
Not to mention, how fun is it to deal with a lender? I routinely hear complaints from docs about the run around their lender gives them. Guess what? If you don't owe money, you don't have to deal with those guys at all. That's worth something.
# 2 Meet a Goal
One of our financial goals was to have a paid-off house. Check! It might not be your goal, but it was one of ours and we reached it much sooner than we expected. I think we can be justifiably proud of that.
# 3 Free Up Cash Flow
Our P&I payment was $2500 a month. Now we can use that for something else. In addition, this lowers our fixed expenses and thus our need to replace that income in a financial independence/early retirement scenario. $2500 a month = $30,000 a year. At a 4% withdrawal rate that lowers our necessary nest egg by $750,000. At a 3% withdrawal rate sometimes used by conservative very early retirees, that lowers our “number” by $1 Million.
# 4 Lowers Our Need For Life and Disability Insurance
I no longer need enough life insurance to pay off the mortgage. Nor do I need enough disability insurance to make the payments. Little by little, step by step, I am getting closer to being able to cancel these temporary insurances and save the premiums. [A subject for its own post, but we'll probably carry them another year or two.]
# 5 We're 8 Years Into a Bull Market
The average bull market is 97 months. We are now 98 months into this one. My crystal ball is cloudy as always, but it seems likely we're closer to the end of it than the beginning. The further we go into this bull, the better a guaranteed return, even at 1.6%, becomes. If the market tanked tomorrow and I hadn't paid off the mortgage, I would have regretted it.
# 6 Our Deductions Are Getting Phased Out
Low earners often don't get to fully deduct their mortgage interest because only the amount above and beyond the standard deduction is really deductible. Likewise, very high earners start running into the Pease phaseouts (FYI these no longer exist since 2018) which also limit how much mortgage interest can be deducted. Our income hit that range for the first time in 2015 and we're losing more and more of it each year. [Purists would correctly argue that the Pease adjustments are really just an additional 1% stealth tax bracket.]
# 7 Our Need To Take Risk is Dropping
As we rapidly approach our financial independence “number” our need to take risk drops each year. That includes leverage risk, i.e. borrowing against the house in order to invest. As Bernstein has said, when you've won the game, stop playing.
# 8 The Leverage No Longer Has A Significant Effect
When we first took out the mortgage, our net worth was less than a million dollars. Borrowing that $400K instead of liquidating our investments actually had a significant effect on how quickly the investments grew. As the mortgage has fallen and our assets have grown, the ratio of investments to borrowed money has fallen so far that the leverage doesn't have any significant effect on our investments any more. For the same reason I don't take $5K 0% credit card offers and invest the difference like I might have a decade or two ago, I don't need to borrow a few hundred thousand against the house to invest any more. It simply isn't worth the risk and hassle to me.
# 9 Because We Can
Thanks to education, hard work, smart financial decisions, and a little luck, we're in the position where paying off our mortgage early (<7 years) is not only possible, but possible without doing anything extreme like eating ramen, reusing paper towels, or skipping retirement account contributions. We recognize that lots of people aren't in that position, but we are, so we will. It just seems silly to be a multi-millionaire and be carrying around a five or low six figure mortgage. Now nobody can ask me “If you're so rich how come you're still in debt?” We can afford the luxury of not having to maximally leverage our life to reach our financial goals.
# 10 To Teach Our Kids Debt Can Be Temporary
I don't necessarily have a problem with the responsible use of debt. I think it's okay that most people pay for medical school with a reasonable amount of debt and buy a reasonable amount of house using mostly borrowed money. But as you know, there are many people who don't use debt responsibly. We wanted to show our children that being in debt is a temporary condition, not a lifelong requirement and perhaps inspire them to also obtain a debt-free life. The kids all want to go on the Dave Ramsey show and do a debt-free scream, but I don't think Dave is really looking for people in our situation. Besides, we still run our monthly expenses through credit cards, which Dave obviously doesn't approve of. So we'll just do that debt-free scream right here on this site!
So, how does it feel? I confess I don't have some overarching sense of accomplishment from paying it off. I feel the satisfaction of meeting a goal and of knowing my family's lifestyle is a little more secure in case something happened to me and my income than they were before. But we were pretty financially secure before that check was written and the amount of objective additional security we have obtained is somewhat minimal when looked at logically for most anticipated futures. But I certainly don't plan to go get another mortgage or HELOC.
What do you think? Do you plan to or did you pay off your mortgage early? Why or why not? How did you feel afterward? Did you go back into debt afterward? When do you think the typical doctor should pay off his mortgage? Comment below!
Really illustrates the impact of cost of living. In our neck of the woods, $500K isn’t buying much. $1M-$2M is typical for a quality school system/decent space/lot. Mainly, I’m jealous. Congrats on choosing wisely throughout your life and career.
We’ve had a fair bit of appreciation the last 6 1/2 years as you might imagine, but you can certainly still get into this neighborhood for $650-750K. I think we’re slightly above average though across the country. Obviously cheaper than the Bay Area and Manhattan, but significantly more expensive than Texas, Indiana, and Wisconsin.
Count us as another couple working towards paying off the mortgage early (the goal is to accomplish this task next year, total of 3 years) even if the math argues against this.
I definitely agree that the marginal utility of wealth plays a role here. We are saving 20% of gross towards retirement, 20% of gross towards a rainy day fund invested aggressively, and whatever we have left after that can be thrown at the mortgage. (already knocked out the rental property mortgage a few months ago by doing this)
The other advantage is to spur us towards minimizing fixed monthly expenses. My husband and I have been leasing cars as we like new vehicles every 3 years. Without a mortgage hanging over our heads though, we’ve been toying with the idea of buying a nice car and then driving it into the ground in an attempt to lower our fixed monthly expenses even further. Then we too can truly scream that we are debt free ☺️
Congratulations to you and your family! The video is so cute.
You deserve all this- you’ve earned it, along with the blessings and good wishes of all the WCI readers who have achieved their milestones with you.
There have been a few comments pointing this direction, but…
Given your comment about the average length of a bull market and taking the safer investment, would that not imply that anybody with med school loans at ~5% should payoff those loans ahead of maxing out a Roth IRA? If I put $5500 into my loans (instead of my Roth) and then the market tanks, I’m going to feel really good about my decision.
Feeling good=/=actually good. No time like the present to drill this deep.
You’re young max out tax advantaged space as a priority, pay off loans.
Agree that paying down loans instead of maxing out available retirement accounts is often a mistake.
I wouldn’t pay off a mortgage or a 5% student loan before maxing out a Roth IRA.
There are no rollover minutes for qualified funds. If you don’t make a few years of qualified contributions, then you permanently have lost out on that tax qualified space.
Max your retirement accounts and HSA. For the mortgage, you either could make extra payments or put money into a taxable account and treat a “bucket” of your taxable account as your mortgage payoff fund. Either way you’re likely to come out ahead over the long term.
Congrats on your new bragging rights!
I enjoy the multimedia family participation in the WCI business – watching your kids grow in their financial literacy provides a vicarious joy.
Perhaps as fodder for a future post, I imagine I’m not alone in being curious to know the details of how you contract with the kids (this was partially revealed in Whitney’s tax post), determine rates, document what you pay them in modeling or other fees, and build Roth IRAs for them. Sharing your playbook would certainly help an audience hungry for more good advice.
As a final note, I can fully envision Whitney as the next addition to the WCI network. Consider booking her now to speak at the second WCI conference before her price goes up.
Fondly,
CD
Congrats WCI on an awesome accomplishment! Huge milestone
I have a silly question and please forgive me if this is somewhat ignorant, but I am a bit confused on asset protection when it comes to home ownership. Does owning your house now mean that you are eligible for a homestead (i.e. Do you have to purchase this legal protection), or is a homestead an automatic amount of equity that is protected against lawsuit (i.e. Nothing to do on your part now)
No. Utah doesn’t have much of a homestead exemption. Only $40K for married folks and no tenants by the entirety. Basically the entire value of the house is exposed to my creditors. What are you going to do? Borrow it out and buy whole life insurance? No thanks.
Congratulations!! We kept our mortage as a tax strategy but agree that pay off is far better.
Congratulations!
Our mortgage lender just changed, and tonight I set up auto-pay and added an extra $500 to our monthly payment to pay down the principal. That will save us four years of payments and six+ figures in interest. I sat here wondering if I had the opportunity to slowly increase the payments to pay off the mortgage earlier if I would do it. Then I read your article. Thanks for the inspiration!
Congrats WCI! I constantly struggle with this question and would love to pay off my 15 year mortgage faster. I’m 40 and want to retire in early 50s, but I won’t do so until house is paid, which is my only debt. I still have 14 years on it and wonder what your take is on paying an extra 10K/year (rate is 3% and I still owe 420K). 10K extra a year doesn’t sound like much but it can’t hurt. I’m maxing out all my retirement vehicles and have opened a taxable account with Vanguard. Part of me thinks I’d be better off to put extra cash flow into the taxable instead…but I HATE DEBT! Sounds like I need to crunch some numbers as I drift off to sleep.
If you’re not sure which option is right for you (invest in taxable or pay down debt) why not split the difference?
This post is motivating me to save up and buy a house with cash. Obviously this would need to be in a relatively low cost of living area, and definitely wouldn’t be an extravagant house. I also understand this is not the best move from a numbers standpoint. But it would be epic to walk up to a deal with $300k cash in hand.
What does $300K get you in Alaska? A shed? Maybe with a floatplane?
Who needs a house? A truck, tent trailer and float plane would give you everything you need for an Alaskan lifestyle (except maybe a shower). But seriously, in Anchorage, 300K will get you a small townhome, condo, or a dilapidated house. We also considered purchasing a small plot of land and constructing a “tiny” home. We’re still brainstorming. Just like cars, if you buy a home with cash, you’ll never buy more home than you can afford. We’re not rich, so I see no reason to live like we’re rich. The $1 million home on the hillside will have to wait.
Hi LFMD,
I love your description of ideal Alaskan life.
When you buy, do consider potential future buyers/renters of whatever home you build or buy. For example, you may love a tiny home, but there may be very few buyers who would want that in that particular area if you try to sell. Good job with your own blog.
Thank you for the tip. The tiny home movement is an interesting concept, but a bit too extreme. An older 1000 square foot 2 bedroom house can be had in Anchorage for around 300 or 400k and that might be a nice sweet spot. Relatively low cost (for Anchorage) and likely in high demand for resale.
Congratulations! Interesting to hear that it was a bit anti-climactic. I had the same feeling when we paid off our final student loans. I thought I’d be happier, but by that point it was such small percentage of our net worth that it didn’t really make much of a difference.
Congratulations! We plan on paying off our mortgage ‘early’, 15 years after purchase. Like many others, given that our rate is so low (2.44%) and we itemize, I’m in no rush to pay it off any earlier. One could argue I should let it ride for the remaining term (8 years) instead of paying it off early but having no debt makes it easier to consider semi-retirement in a few years. With no debt to service and low fixed expenses, I only need to work enough to pay for my travel.
What does having no debt have to do with considering early retirement. If you’re otherwise saving/investing those extra payments your nest egg should be increasing. Therefore, your actual wealth is increasing, and most likely faster than if paid off.
There is essentially zero difference in your financial ability to retire from that standpoint. And many good arguments can be made that holding a mortgage in early retirement gives you more flexibility and day to day liquidity. I think WCI linked a book above.
Overall, its an illusion as long as it stays on your balance sheet period, if its decreasing the debt or increasing your savings, the effect on net worth and ability to retire is unaffected.
A minor quibble:
If you can only withdraw 4%, then $1 Million may be required to make a $40K a year mortgage payment. But it’s possible you could pay off that mortgage with $250K. So you are spending $40K less a year and it only cost you $250k to do that. That does affect your ability to retire.
I I can see that, but now you only have 750k? There are probably other similar illustrations where it is a small cost and does free up significant capital.
WCI- first off congratulations on being debt free!! Its a huge accomplishment and one I hope to replicate.
That being said, I think the math you are using in this example (and the one in the main article) is somewhat flawed and overestimates the retirement advantage of paying off the mortgage. Suggesting that you need 1 million extra retirement dollars to pay off a 250k mortgage is inaccurate (If I am misinterpreting your comments you can stop reading now).
Certainly, if you are going to use a 4% withdrawal rate and have 40k of P+I payments to make year for the remainder of your retirement, then you need 1 million dollars to do that…But if you only have 250k of mortgage to pay off (and your P+I is 40k/year) you will not be doing it for the remainder of your retirement (unless you die within the 7 or so years remaining on that payoff) –and then you didn’t need a million dollars anyway!
Lets assume a person who plans to retire with your 250k mortgage in place hopes to live off a 3% withdrawal rate at retirement. They expect to need ~100k yearly in living expenses, so they need about 3.3 million dollars to retire. If that person has a 250k mortgage which has 40k P+I yearly to pay off when they retire (a number that means they have about 7 years left on their current amortization schedule), they do not need 4.3 million dollars to do so comfortably and safely.
They could choose to :
1) withdraw 4% for the first 7 years of retirement, live off about 3%, and use the extra 1% for their mortgage, then do a reassessment of their finances after the mortgage is paid in 7 years to determine what their yearly draw should be.
2) withdraw 3% and “live like a resident” off of 60k yearly with 40 k yearly going to P+I until their mortgage is paid off in 7 years then step up to 100k yearly (WOOHOO! no more alpo!).
3) split the difference, pay down 125k of their mortgage to start, recast their remaining 125k over the remaining 7 years (most lenders will do this for free or for $250 or less) to lower their monthly payment to about $1650 (about $20k/year) and live off 3% of 3.175m or 95K yearly plus or minus the 20k of P+I payments using one of the strategies I outlined above (either a 3.6% draw or 3% draw living off 75k with the rest going to P+I).
If they pay off the entire mortgage they are diminishing their yearly retirement living expenses by about 10% indefinitely vs making temporary adjustments to eventually have a larger yearly stipend to live off.
** I have no intention of carrying a mortgage into my own retirement. I don’t think its a great idea. I’m simply pointing out that the suggestion you need an extra 1 million dollars of retirement savings to account for a 250k mortgage exaggerates the benefit of paying off the mortgage before retiring and there might be circumstances where a person has strong forces pushing them toward retirement before their mortgage is paid and before they have the means to pay it off AND retire with their desired nest egg for retirement.
Cheers and congratulations again. I love the site and lurk quite a bit.
Your points are good, but the main point is that the less you spend (including on a mortgage) the less you need to retire.
#5 Seems like market timing to me. Not typically a sound strategy, but I understand your underlying concern. Still, 1.6% vs. average market gains… I’m not sure I’ll ever make the same decision on my mortgage. And yet, I’m not a multimillionaire! Hopefully I’ll be able to let you know how I feel about things when (hopefully sooner than later) that happens.
Congratulations! I’m curious how your thoughts on liquidity factor in.
Consider the scenario of the physician having debt at low interest rates (say in the 2s and 3s%) on his home and student loans. Rather than paying off this low interest debt he invests the money regularly and has a nice slush fund (on top of saving for retirement and having the emergency fund). Having the slush fund brings security where minor catastrophes in the 5 digit range can just be cash flowed with out stress. Also, it allows comfort in living where vacations and other activities can be cashflowed as well.
The physician could pay off his debt and eliminate the cushion. (which would of course be rebuilt overtime with the mortgage payments that are no longer there). I know Dave Ramsey’s advice would be to pay it off. He often says, would you borrow 150k against your house and invest it. However, often that’s not the situation at hand. To the question is whether it’s worth losing liquidity to be totally debt free.
I’m not questioning the decision to pay everything off if anyone feels like the right move. I’m just not sure that being 100% debt free is the right move for everyone.
I’m not sure it’s the right move for everyone either. But it was the right move for us at this time.
Excellent work! My debt repayment goals are very similar to yours.
Currently reading your book, it has expanded my vision on wealth management and preparing for the future. You and the PoF are my top non-medicine related reads right now. Thank you for the wonderful tips!
ThriftyYoungDoc
Paying off loans vs invest in taxable…always good debate here and bogleheads. Not mentioned at least in comments so far is differences in behavior. For many people if they were not putting extra to the debt they may be upgrading lifestyle/spending instead of putting all of it into taxable. Need to think about the 0% that people earn with that instead of just the 3% mortgage vs 7% market. Though I do maximize my tax deferred, do his/her backdoor roths, and have taxable account, I think I will always put some extra here and there to medium interest rate debt as I would be too temped by lifestyle inflation.
That’s a great point. I suppose you could think of it as part of your bond portfolio as well. Say your mortgage rate is 3.5%. Who else would guarantee 3.5% on your money risk free? As long as you are not sacrificing your other regular investments, I think that’s a good move.
I think its a terrible point. If you dont have the discipline to invest extra money than you dont have the discipline to pay extra. If you can pay extra you can invest. Its a rationalization.
Cmon its not that bad of a point…We put over 100k/year into retirement/Roth/529/taxable. On top of ~6k/month student loan obligations (2sets of med school loans). We live cheaply. I stay disciplined by reminding myself about our student loans and mortgage. Or else I would just think that my savings rate is high enough, lets spend a little on this/that. Instead I put an extra payment here or there to mortgage/student loans, and tell myself that I cannot afford to splurge on lifestyle yet.
We all know that you/the math is right to not pay off loans and to put it all to taxable.. You can call it lack of disciple or rationalization, but it is what plenty of people do.
Thats totally fine, obviously both are overall great. I was simply pointing out the poor reasoning, which has become a parroted line that no one seems to think about. It makes little sense.
That is, some how the person that is unable not to spend if they chose investing will magically be able to do it if you label it debt payoff. That makes very little sense. These people are the same and just choose differently. The spender still isnt going to be able to save either way, choosing debt payoff doesnt automatically flip someone.
If you have the will power to pay off debts, you have the will power to take that same money and save. Its a very similar action, thats the whole point I was taking issue with, nothing more.
What plenty of people do is irrelevant and a logical fallacy, not making it right or wrong and exactly the kind of thinking I was taking issue with. Plenty of people drink and drive, use drugs, etc…
As you point out, you and your readers aren’t really the folks that Dave Ramsey is looking for, so I would encourage the WCI community to come back to this comment thread and give their own debt-free exclamation amongst like-minded friends when they finally make it. I will!
Really awesome idea Arthur! Dave Ramsay is a bit of an all or nothing purist…we should have a doc debt free and/or financially independent scream!
Or even a Financially Independent Meh.
Like WCI said, it doesn’t feel different, like no earth shattering feeling.
So FI Meh.
I definitely dream of a day that I can say I’m completely debt free. But, at this point in my life, making that my number one goal doesn’t seem as smart. I’m 35, got a late start on getting control of my finances. High interest debt is all gone, but still have a mortgage and low interest student loans (2.6%). Since I was behind on saving, it seemed smarter to focus on accumulating savings rather than paying off my low interest debt. We are considering downsizing our home soon and this will hopefully free up some significant equity (if the market is as good as we think it is). When this occurs I’ll be taking out a smaller mortgage for the new place and I’ll have to decide what to do with the extra cash. But, since my student loans have such a low interest rate, it seems like I should just leave them alone for the time being. The payments are only 488/month.
We no longer have a home mortgage. It is hands down the BEST thing we’ve ever done financially. We’ve made a lot of money mistakes but this was one of our wins.
This summer, we sold our home in a high cost of living area and moved to a low cost of living area. The house (a basic two-story with modest finishes) had appreciated a lot. We also had a good bit of equity since we had taken out a 13-year-loan some years ago. So, when we moved, we made sure to only look at homes we could buy with cash in our new (cheap and lovely!) state.
We are self-employed and business is great. But if it sours, just knowing we own our home (and as long as we pay property taxes; and of course, we have homeowner’s insurance), is a feeling I can hardly describe.
One more aspect of a paid off home for a physician…it could potentially help you if you are not working and have to pay for insurance on the marketplace, particularly if you retire early. From my understanding, insurance on the ACA marketplace is similar to paying for college education — it is based on income more than assets. If you have to pay your mortgage then you will require more income (perhaps 25k or more a year). But what if you don’t have to pay that 25k? Well then your income can go down by 25k and you can still live in your house and have the same quality of life. Thus, going to https://www.healthcare.gov/see-plans/#/plan/results and assuming a family of 3 with 100k income (including the 25k mortgage) then insurance would cost $14,650 a year with a $13,100 deductible for a family living in southern Indiana such as ourselves. If the house is paid off, then one would have the same qualify of life at 75k and the insurance on the marketplace drops to $6717 a year with the same deductible. Thus, you save nearly $8000 a year on insurance.
Excellent point. Of course, that requires you to not spend the $25K on something else.
Absolutely right. Well said.
Once you pay off your mortgage, is there anything that you recommend doing with the title or any essential paperwork? We are thinking about paying off the mortgage, and I was trying to think about to do with any paperwork – do we store it in a safe, keep records online backed up? Wanted to know your thoughts.
Sure, seems wise. I think a lot of people used to burn it, but I’d probably make a copy first!
Cutest video ever!… the progression in financial knowledge with advancing age was great to watch.
I know this is an old post, but congratulations, nonetheless
Thank you!