I've been doing a blog post after finishing our taxes each year for most of the existence of this blog. It usually runs in April. I obviously didn't run one this April. The first reason why is that I didn't finish our taxes until September. Due to missing K-1s, I had to file an extension this year for the first time. The second reason is that due to the financial success of WCI, LLC these last few years a detailed discussion of our tax return would come across as more of a humblebrag than an educational opportunity for most of our readers who have a fraction of our income.
While I don't like writing quarterly estimated tax payment checks that I could live very well off of for an entire year, the truth is that the only thing worse than having to write big tax check is not having to write a big tax check. Unlike many tax-naive doctors, I love having a big tax bill because it means I made a lot of money and have even more to spend, save, and give even after paying all those taxes. At any rate, as I completed my tax return I did have a few observations that I thought readers would find useful.
Filing for an Extension Is Not a Bad Thing
This was our first year filing for an extension. Not only was it no big deal, it might even be preferable to trying to meet tax return deadlines. I may just start doing it routinely even if I don't have to. This year I was able to finish up the tax return at my leisure on a date of my choosing in the early Fall. No standing in a line at the post office. No cramming it in at the last minute. No hounding your employer or partnerships for tax forms. If I wasn't doing my taxes myself, I would have all the time I want with my tax preparer because they are no longer in their busy season. In fact, it turns out that filing an extension is one of the easiest things to do. Many states don't even require you to send them a form (just a check)!
The one downside to filing an extension is that you have to actually pay the tax due by April 15th. How can you know how much is due if you don't have the information you need to file the return? Well, you can't. Like filing quarterly estimated payments, it's really a guess. You try to be close so you don't loan the government money tax-free and so you don't end up paying a bunch of interest (or even penalties), but you probably aren't going to nail it exactly. In my case, I ended up getting refunds back from two states and the feds and paying more money (and interest) to one state.
A Kinder, Gentler IRS
I don't actually file just one tax return a year these days. As an S Corp, I file a ton of them. Probably the most burdensome is Form 941. This is a quarterly tax return filed by S Corporations. We pay ourselves salaries once a quarter and I file the return at the same time. After doing these for a couple of years, I think there has been a screw-up on it more often than not. But guess what? Half the time I make the mistake and half the time the IRS does. So we've basically become pen pals and we send each other a letter every quarter or so and get on the phone every now and then.
One thing that increased interaction with the IRS has done for me is made me MUCH less afraid of them. These are just regular people doing their job. If you are actually trying to follow the rules and you respond appropriately to their communications with you, it's just no big deal. You know that sinking feeling you get in your stomach when you see a letter from the IRS? (It's similar to the one you get when you see a letter from an attorney or your colleague asks “You remember that guy you saw last week?”) I no longer get that, at least from the IRS.
However, I do think my general guideline that
If you (as a high income professional) can't declare at least $100K of your income as distribution instead of salary, filing as an S Corp probably isn't worth the hassle
is a pretty good rule of thumb. 941s and associated chores are enough of a hassle that if I wasn't saving at least a couple thousand in Medicare taxes a year from incorporating I wouldn't bother.
The $3,000 Limit on Tax Loss Harvesting Sucks
Remember that very brief bear market back in December 2018? Well, I did a lot of tax loss harvesting that month. About $80K. Unfortunately, I only get to use $3,000 of it as a deduction this year. The rest I just have to carry forward. While it can also be used to offset capital gains, it could take me 25 years to use up all of those losses. This is a nice break for those with small taxable accounts, but the law of diminishing returns kicks in pretty quickly.
The 199A Deduction Can Be Huge
I paid a lot of attention to the rules surrounding the 199A (Pass-Thru Business) Deduction when it came out and arranged our finances such that we could maximize it. I was sure glad I did, especially since it was one of our few deductions for 2018 and by far our largest one.
As you may recall, when our tax bracket was reduced from 39.6% to 37% at the end of 2017, we bunched our usual charitable contributions all into 2017 and then took the standard deduction for 2018. So instead of six figures worth of itemized deductions, we had just the $24,000 Married Filing Jointly standard deduction. We still got to take deductions for our retirement account contributions and self-employed health insurance premiums, but that was about it. Except for the 199A deduction, a larger deduction than I think I've ever had from retirement accounts, mortgage interest, property and state income taxes, and charitable contributions combined. Suffice to say we were highly rewarded for paying attention to that one. While it specifically excludes most of the income of most readers of this blog, if you are an exception like I am, get your head wrapped around this deduction.
Depreciation
I was surprised by how many different ways real estate partnerships/funds/syndications can calculate out depreciation. One of my investments depreciated a third of my investment! While I didn't have a ton of unsheltered income from other real estate investments, if I had, that would have been very welcome. There is a surprisingly amount of leeway in what can be done with depreciation and it can really be frontloaded if the owners want. I had a substantial amount of real estate income that I expect to grow over the years but didn't pay any taxes on it at all this year thanks to depreciation. That's one great reason why equity real estate (not REITs despite the fact that their income also now qualifies for the 199A deduction) can be reasonably held in a taxable account just like total market index funds and muni bonds.
1231 Gains
One of my K-1s for a syndicated real estate equity deal went full circle in 2018 and the final K-1 for it included a “1231 Gain.” I didn't know what that was, but it turns out it is usually pretty cool. Section 1231 is another one of those cool real estate tax breaks that are always alluded to but not fully described. 1231 property is real or depreciable business property held for at least one year. That qualifies you to pay gains on it at long term capital gains rates. But if you happen to LOSE money, you get to deduct the loss at ordinary income tax rates. You are really getting the best of both worlds here. It's not quite as good of a deal as if I had been able to do a 1031 exchange into another property, but it's not terrible.However, there is one major downside to a gain being classified as a 1231 gain. I can't use all those capital losses I got from tax loss harvesting my index funds to offset it! Capital gains/losses go on line 13, but Section 1231 gains/losses go on line 14. Bummer!
Tax Inefficient Debt Funds
The return also reinforced just how tax-inefficient real estate debt funds can be. High income and 100% taxable at ordinary income tax rates in this year. To make matters worse, I discovered that these funds also tend to send you a state K-1. No big deal for the fund that lends in Utah (where I'm filing a return anyway) and Colorado (where it does a composite return). But the one in California? That's a bummer. Not only did I have to file a California return but I have to pay state tax on that income at twice my usual rate. It's enough that I'm seriously considering getting out of the fund just to avoid that tax hassle. Moving forward, I'll likely try to place these investments inside my self-directed individual 401(k).
Rich Pay Lots of Money in Taxes
There is this sense out there in the news and on social media that people who make a lot of money are somehow skirting the tax laws and not paying their fair share. Now I'm sure there are a few hedge fund managers out there taking advantage of carried interest laws, some real estate tycoons covering all or most of their income with depreciation, and plenty of retirees who minimize taxes by only selling high basis shares with long-term gains and borrowing against assets instead of selling them.
But having had a very wide range of income, I have found that the more I make the more I pay, both in absolute terms and as a percentage of my income. Despite the lowering of the tax brackets and our substantial 199A deduction, our tax bill this year was 34% (29% federal/employee payroll, 5% state) of our gross income. That doesn't actually include the employer half of payroll taxes we paid through the S Corp, another 2%. So 36% total of our income went to income and payroll taxes for 2018.By comparison, in 2012 I was able to brag that I paid a lower percentage of my income in tax than Mitt Romney did, paying just 15.5% (8% federal) of my attending physician income in taxes. I'm now paying well more than twice that much as a percentage of income. That seems like a lot more money, right? You have no idea. In actual dollars, I paid 23 TIMES AS MUCH in federal income taxes for 2018 as I did in 2012.
Now whether I'm paying “enough” or not depends on your political persuasion, but my point is that the vast majority of the well-to-do have substantial tax bills like mine. Again, I'd rather have the income and pay the taxes than not have the income, but it seems weird to think there are people out there who think I'm somehow not paying taxes at all.
The Postcard Thing Was Dumb
One of the political talking points with the recent tax reform was that they were going to get Form 1040 onto a postcard. They didn't quite make it, but they did cut it from two pages to one. The problem is they took all that stuff from the additional page and split it onto 6 more pages. Few will have to file all 6 of those schedules, but I had to file four of them (1, 3, 4, and 5.) So 5 pages instead of 2. Really great tax simplification guys.
State Taxes Could Kill a Tree
When I hit print on Turbotax, 188 pages came out of my printer. The PDF file with all the worksheets was even worse–337 pages. A ream of paper is only 500 sheets. So between what was sent to the IRS and the copy they tell me to keep myself was over a ream of paper. That's insane and a whole lot more than a postcard. A big part of the reason why the return was so long is that state tax returns often require you to include other returns with them. Both California and Minnesota required me to include a copy of my federal return. Thankfully, Utah doesn't, but they did require me to include a copy of my California and Minnesota returns. It cost me $9 just to mail the stupid things.
Now I know it's almost time to start working on 2019 tax returns and most of you filed your 2018 returns months ago, but hopefully, some of the things I learned this year will be useful to you going forward.
What do you think? What did you learn from doing your taxes this year? What changes did you see under the TCJA? Comment below!
Any more thoughts about a cash balance plan for the WCI? It would lower your effective tax rate. You could compound even more money and therefore give even more money away in charitable contributions. If inclined to do so, pull up that old email we bounced back and forth with the actuary that answered your questions. Can you sell the Broadmark fund and buy it back in your self directed retirement account? Or, is that too bulky of a transaction at this point.
I’ve thought about it. But I wouldn’t have funded it this year, at least not in any large way. Once I maxed out retirement accounts, I spent most of the year saving up for a home renovation. Also difficult to invest in some of the stuff I invest in inside a cash balance plan.
Broadmark is going public, otherwise I would have already.
Why don’t you file electronically?
Turbotax actually told me I couldn’t. Not sure which form prevented it, but might be the one for the 199A deduction.
I have an s-Corp and have 199a deductions. I also have other K1 income. I do not have any real estate income.
TurboTax allowed me to file electronically.
I wonder what you had that forced you to print it out.
I don’t know exactly. But not a huge deal.
Yes the postcard gimmick was DUMB!
Besides not simplifying it they made it such that year to year comparisons are more difficult.
Always appreciate the reminder that paying a lot of taxes is preferable to not earning much!
Although it is great to make money…paying $350-500K in taxes like I suspect you did this year is a crap ton of money. I hate writing those checks. And I now hate hearing about how the “rich don’t pay their fare share”. Most of us do.
Thanks,
No, I didn’t pay that much in state income taxes. 🙂
Ha…Only because you don’t live in California 😉
Quite the timely post. We just filed our 2018 taxes last night.
Between the late K-1s and 1099s plus waiting for the actuary to tell us how much we can put into the DB plan (nad how much we must put into it), there’s hardly a chance of making the April 15th initial deadline.
Yup,
I have been arguing for a long time that the benefits of TLH are overstated.
I do agree with the benefits of real estate depreciation losses. The bonus depreciation option has saved me a small fortune in the last year alone. I do have a lot of K-1 passive income that can be offset.
I rarely have all the documents prior to early April when I would need them for a Spring filing.
Before investing in anything I ask a lot of questions about state taxes and K-1 timing. One year my final K-1 came in September and I filed in October.
Welcome to the club. In your early blogging days you wrote stuff like “I don’t know why these doctors are paying such high taxes…..” As you say, it is a nice problem to now have.
I think those comments still apply to most doctors (I was paying < 15% all in my 1st year as a partner), but my income is also now more than most doctors. Maybe there's a doc out there somewhere making more than we do just from practicing medicine, but I don't her.
Your return sounds complex, but you do have quite a business and a huge income now with your successful blog, courses, and books.
Mine are simple in comparison with mostly W2, side 1099, second home and a rental property.
We just closed on our old rental home (starter home in 1994). We lived in it for a decade and then rented it for 16 years. It cost $102K in 1994 and just sold for $108K. Talk about a non-investment and a no growth market. After accumulating “non-deductible passive activity losses” of about $1500 a year after rent barely covered the debt service and taxes, I’ll get a check for $27K after commission and closing costs. It will be fun to see how much of this goes to the IRS. I’m so glad to NOT be a landlord any longer.
The last renter trashed the place, left 35 garbage bags of personal belongings in it and paid no water bill the last six months. It cost me $4000 to get ready to sell.
At least my taxes will get easier…
I think direct rentals are the most complex taxes to do.
I stopped investing in things that issue K-1’s. Not worth the aggravation at tax time.
For WCI- How much of the need for an extension was due to the business itself vs various investments? I have suspected that some of your real estate fund investments were done so you could write about the experience, rather than attempts to profit. The amounts invested were too small to matter and even if quite successful could not have been worth the time you put in.
100% due to investments. I was missing two K-1s on April 15th, one from Passive Income MD, LLC and one from a RealtyShares investment.
There are several reasons I have had small real estate investments over the years:
1) Sometimes I only had a small amount to invest, especially in taxable, given my plethora of tax-protected space. As my income has grown, investments have gotten larger.
2) I often just dip my toe in until I understand an investment well and get to know a manager better.
3) I suppose I also get to write about it or have an affiliate relationship with it sometimes and that probably makes me a little more likely to invest.
I can totally understand why one might avoid a K-1 investment, but given that I have 6 K-1s even if I don’t invest in any real estate…seems a silly reason to avoid an investment.
Thanks for the explanation on the 1231 capital gain.
How much depreciation did you generate on your K1s and any suspended passive losses? Any plans to use them with more passive income generators (PIGS) going forward?
Any reason why you still use Turbotax rather than tax professional at your level of tax complexity? Especially when you can deduct the cost of tax advice/prepperation against your S Corp business income.
Lots. Yes, they’re suspended and I will likely eventually be able to use them. Yes, I plan to continue to invest in “PIGS” going forward and am likely to eventually use those losses.
Why self-preparation?
1) Habit (probably the biggest factor)
2) Pain in the butt to find someone to do my taxes, make sure they don’t screw up, take them all the paperwork, go pick it up etc.
3) I get to know the tax code better
4) I get something more to write about on the blog
Heard some mixed experiences with people using Turbotax for K1s for both federal and state so interested to hear about your personal experiences this tax year. I find it’s one of biggest reasons tax preparers inflate their bills having to deal with them.
Would be interested in blog post for any creative ways to use up suspended passive losses especially with bonus depreciation rules for the next few years. I guess the ultimate use would be through RE professional but practically infeasible for most physicians unless you had a nonworking or underemployed spouse. Next best thing I can think of is high yielding RE investments (Core + or NNN) or passive partnership in a business or surgical center.
I figure I’ll just use it to shield the income from my real estate funds/syndications. Is there some reason I can’t use it for that?
IR Doctor “Next best thing I can think of is high yielding RE investments (Core + or NNN) or passive partnership in a business or surgical center.”
I believe that high yielding RE investments produce dividends and dividends cant be deducted against passive losses. If they sell building at a gain, and dont do 1031, then you could use passive losses to offset gains (I think)
Distribution from a syndicated RE partnership is passive gain which can be used to offset passive losses. Its not portfolio income (i.e. dividends) which you might get from a REIT.
You ought to take another look at the 1231 issue. Normally the distinction is that some of the 1231 (to the extent of nonrecaptured 1231 losses) is ordinary, but the rest is capital and can, in fact, be offset by capital losses.
[not legal advice]
Not sure what else to look at. The K-1 is pretty clear. What else can be done?
Did you run the K-1 number through Form 4797?
Yes, Turbotax generated a 4797. I’ll have to review it when I get home and see what exactly happened on it. It’s (obviously) a new form to me this year.
Parting thought. I don’t spend a lot of time in the actual tax forms–you’re a brave person to do that.
But I think the K-1 directs you to look at Form 4797, and the first part of that form–which deals with 1231 gain–appears to put the 1231 gain onto Schedule D, which leads to the capital losses (unless you’re in the loss recapture rules).
I could be totally wrong. Not legal advice blah blah. But that’s how it appears to work to me.
I’m looking at it. My gain is $2,296, so that’s on line 7. On line 8, I’ve got enough nonrecaptured net section 1231 losses from prior years that line 9 is 0. So now that $2,296 goes through Part II and eventually onto line 14 of Form 1040 Schedule 1. 🙁
I think the issue is that I’m “recapturing” some of the 1231 losses I used against ordinary income in the past (I think from that darn rental property) and applying them now to 1231 gains. But I’ll have to read more about it to really get it. So maybe my explanation in the post on this is inadequate.
https://www.loopholelewy.com/loopholelewy/15-selling-your-business/selling-your-business-18-computing-nonrecaptured-loss.htm
Yup, the nonrecaptured loss issue would do it.
1231 is fun!
I made apartment building LP investments with a well regarded syndicator in 2017 and 2018. The first year depreciation for 2017 was about 6% of my investment; for 2018 I was very surprised to receive a K-1 with depreciation at 77% of my initial investment.
I called the syndicator, who explained that the 2018 tax law changes allowed for much heavier use of bonus depreciation than previously. Combined with component depreciation (depreciating things like carpet and appliances separately from the structure) this can make a huge difference in first year depreciation on these investments.
Another factor: If my heirs inherit this investment, they will now get a step up in basis. If I can’t use all the depreciation while I am alive, this means de facto we will suffer double taxation on part of the gains. Ouch!!
You lost me. Why would they suffer double taxation? Why can’t they just sell the day you die for zero capital gains?
How many states does your Origin III fund invest in, and how many state tax returns did you need to file related to this?
I’d have to look at the K-1 and other documents. It’s obviously in flux as they’re still acquiring properties and really haven’t paid out much yet. My capital hasn’t even all been called yet. I don’t think I filed any additional state returns this year for that fund, but I’ll probably have to eventually.