
My wife and I, both physicians in our early 40s, have been in practice for about nine years. Like many doctors, we have days that remind us why our profession can be so rewarding. Unfortunately, those days are being whittled down to moments, while the headaches are inexorably overshadowing the good stuff. We think about retirement on an almost daily basis (I spend way too much time pouring over WCI’s archives). While not the healthiest mindset to maintain, it is our reality. So what are we doing about it (besides trying to focus on the positives and living for vacations)?
Multi-Millionaire Doctors
I don’t know that there is a universally accepted definition of super-saving, but I think anything over 30% of gross income could qualify [EDITOR'S NOTE: Remember 20% is supposed to be “normal-saving” for doctors.], while over 40% is starting to get fairly aggressive. My wife and I invest approximately 50% of our gross income. Despite starting our investing lives in residency, about 15 years ago, with a tiny portfolio and a negative net worth (each with six-figure med school loans), we now have a portfolio worth $3.4 million.
It's All About Savings Rate
So, what’s the purpose of this post? It’s certainly not to portray our portfolio as a shining example of something to duplicate. We’ve been very slow, over the years, to learn about things like expense ratios and what type of account in which to hold bonds. And all of our naivety is evident in our inelegantly constructed collection of investments. We’re not nearly as financially savvy as WCI (not even in the same universe, let alone league). We’re not even as knowledgeable as the majority of the readers who post comments on this blog. The purpose of this post is to demonstrate what a high savings rate can do in a relatively short period of time, even when you spend the first 3/4 of your investment life feeling your way around in the dark. My hope is to inspire those who read this blog and think: “There is no way I can replicate what WCI and his savvy minions (that sounds a bit evil; it’s unintentional) are doing to secure their retirements.” I’m telling you yes, you can do it. Asset allocation and all the other wisdom on these blog pages is extremely important, BUT splitting hairs on the funds in which you invest is often less important than is your rate of saving.
Nine years ago, fresh out of fellowships, my wife and I earned a combined gross income in the low $400K’s. Over the years, that has climbed to a combined gross of almost $600K. I expect that we will fluctuate between the high $500K’s and low $600K’s for the rest of our careers. As I type this and look at the numbers on the screen, it sounds like a LOT of money. But, interestingly, we don’t feel “rich.” I think that comes from years of living like medical students. We didn’t actually upgrade to “living like a resident” until several years after completion of our fellowships. Currently, I would say we have loosened the purse strings quite a bit, but only in comparison to the way we used to live— not when compared to some of our friends and colleagues. We love eating out at nice restaurants, and we travel with our daughter as often as we possibly can. I lease a pretty sweet car for $400/month because I decided that the peace of mind in not having to worry about expensive/ time-consuming repairs on an older/owned car was worth it to me. It’s no Tesla, but it’s well-appointed and it fit within the budget with which we were comfortable. The point is, we’re quite happy with our standard of living, so the 50% of our income that goes into our investments is never missed.
Our Super Saving Path
Our First Asset Allocation
So, enough preamble—on to the data. In 2004, after three years of residency and in our first year of fellowship, our portfolio looked like this (including our reasons for selecting the investments):
- Cash $107,000 (Not sure why so much.)
- Taxable
- Individual Stocks $108,000 (Gift from grandfather at my birth)
- VG S&P 500 Index $28,000 (The bedrock of the portfolio)
- Am Century Ultra $6,000 (Recommended by a friend in finance, never performed)
- Fidelity Electronics $6,000 (Recommended by father in law, never performed)
- Oakmark Interntl $24,000 (ER much higher than similar index funds-oops)
- VG Intm Tax-Ex Bnd $17,000 (Still like this one for bonds in taxable)
- Roth IRA
- TRP Mid Cap $24,000 (Just smart enough to do Roths in residency)
- Fidelity Mid Cap $6,000 (Not index, but Morningstar liked it)
- Fidelity Div Intnl $7,000 (Again, Morningstar liked it)
- Total Assets $333,000
The only reason I have the above information is that 2004 was the year we started making an asset spreadsheet. This is an Excel file that we update once or twice yearly, usually at tax time. After reading a finance book and making our first spreadsheet, we set goals for asset allocation, realizing that we were WAY off. We had lots of cash but a hodgepodge of mutual funds in different classes. And so we learned to rebalance, which we now do every year (for us, always adding to classes in which we are deficient— not selling the ones where we are overloaded).
Getting Serious About Regular Investment Contributions
Toward the end of fellowship in 2006, we were holding 32% of our portfolio in cash, in anticipation of needing a down payment for the house we would buy after training. It wasn’t until late in 2007, one year into our “real doctor” jobs, that we finally adjusted our cash goal down to 5% and got serious about making regular investment contributions. We started transferring tens of thousands of dollars into our mutual funds (right before the market crashed, I believe). This is also when we got some discipline and set up monthly automatic transfers from our bank account to our investments: $4500/month, divided among three mutual funds in different classes. And, of course, we were maxing out our 401k’s.
We continued on in this fashion for several years, making automatic investments monthly. We had a baby and maxed out our state’s 529 fairly quickly (our state offers “credits” for purchase which, upon entry into college, will have a value equal to the cost of a four-year education at our state’s most expensive university). It took us quite some time to realize that one of two scenarios must be true: either our rate of investing was inadequate, as judged by the constant accumulation of cash in our bank account; or, our rate of spending was too low. Given that we were still comfortable living like residents (despite my wife complaining that her receptionist has a nicer purse than she does), we chose to increase our rate of investing.
Moving on…by 2011, we were investing $15,000 per month (on top of our 401(k) contributions), with 68% of it going to Vanguard 500 Index, 14% in Vanguard Small Cap Growth Index, 12% in Oakmark International, and 6% in Vanguard Intermediate-Term Tax-Exempt Bonds. Here is a snapshot of our portfolio in 2011:
- Cash $196,000
- Taxable
- Individual Stocks $40,000 lost a lot of value since 2004
- VG S&P 500 Index $361,000
- VG Sm Cap Gr Index $146,000
- Oakmark Interntl $107,000
- VG Intermed Tax-Ex Bond $41,000
- Roth IRAs
- Fidelity Captl Apprec $28,000
- Fidelity Cap Growth $14,000
- TRP Mid Cap Value $5,000
- Fidelity Divers Intntl $19,000
- 401(k)s
- Aggressive allocation $394,000
- Home state 529 $51,000 (Worth 4 yrs in-state; 1-2 yrs at Yale, if lucky)
- Total assets $1,402,000
Doing Some Financial Planning for Retirement
At this point, we started to think more actively about the issue of retirement. But, it was still more of an abstract concept as opposed to something tangible. We really had no concept of how much money we would need in retirement, or what age we could even shoot for to retire. We took advantage of a free program offered through work that paired us with a financial advisor. He prepared one of those 50-page documents with all kinds of graphs and charts, which was helpful. The takeaway point was that retirement in our mid-50’s was within reach. Naturally, our next question was, “If we can retire in our mid-50’s by investing an extra $15K per month, how much earlier can we push it by investing $20K per month?”
For the past four years, we have been automatically investing $20K per month into our taxable accounts. We rebalance the amount that goes into each fund once yearly to maintain our asset allocation (47% large cap stock, 18% small/mid cap stock, 15% international stock, 15% bonds, 5% cash).
We continue to max our 401k’s, backdoor Roth IRAs, and stealth IRA’s (HSA’s). We also put $1000-1500/month into the Utah Education Savings Plan— just in case our kid wants to go to Yale + med school.
Super Savers Portfolio on Parade
Here is our portfolio now, in 2015:
- Cash $35,000 (Finally learned to hold less cash)
- Taxable
- Individual Stocks $71,000
- VG S&P 500 Index $938,000
- VG Sm Cap Gr Index $278,000
- VG Extended Mkt Index $365,000
- VG Emerging Mkt Index $83,000
- Oakmark Interntl $291,000
- VG Intermed Tax-Ex Bond $267,000
- Roth IRAs
- VG Val Indx $26,000
- Fdlty Captl Apprec $55,000
- TRP Mid Cap Value $7,000
- Fidelity Bond Index $44,000
- 401(k)s
- Aggressive allocation $592,000
- Profit Sharing Plans
- $237,000
- 529s
- Home state 529 $60,000
- UESP $65,000
- Total assets $3,414,000
Investing on Margin (We Still Carry Student Loan and Home Mortgage Debt)
OK, so we’re good at saving. But if we’re thinking about retirement, what about our biggest recurring expenses? Have we adhered to WCI’s advice to get rid of the med school loans ASAP and not carry a mortgage into retirement? Um, not so much. We have $300K left on a mortgage (2.875%) that is scheduled to be paid off by 2025, two years after our planned retirement. We still have $200K of medical school loans (2.88%) that is scheduled to be paid off by 2033. We’re not thrilled about carrying these expenses into retirement, but we’re hoping that the return on our investments makes this a reasonable strategy.
When to Retire
As for when to pull the trigger on retirement: the more we read about this issue, the more overwhelming it becomes, as there are a zillion variables to consider. What we’ve found helpful is to have our portfolio analyzed by different methods and then see if we get similar opinions. We’ve taken advantage of the free financial advising consultations through work, and we’ve also had a couple of portfolio analyses followed by video conferences with the Vanguard CFPs (a free service offered to those with $1 million invested with Vanguard). It has been reassuring to hear similar opinions from several different people regarding whether we are on track. I’ve also entered all of our data into Fidelity’s retirement calculator, a powerful tool that allows you to control all sorts of variables. As best as I can tell, retirement by 50 is almost a certainty, and we may even be able to wean down to part-time by 48.
WCI, Mr. Money Mustache, and my parents all say that you need to retire “to” something, not “from” something. I know they’re right, but that’s going to have to be the subject of another post. I’ve got to get back to work.
[FOUNDER'S NOTE BY DR. JIM DAHLE: I often talk about what living like a resident for 2-5 years after residency will do. This post gives you a chance to see what happens if you do that for even longer (i.e. you get rich a lot faster). We all have a choice in this regard, and it's important to find a balance that's right for you and your family. This is a great demonstration that any reasonable investing plan is fine when combined with a good income and savings rate. Many physician families can't recreate this sort of success due to having much less income, but every physician family can live a lifestyle similar to these docs. If they're making $600K, paying $150K or so in taxes, and putting $300K toward retirement, they're only living on $150K. Their $3M+ portfolio is very close to supporting that lifestyle already. These guys would likely benefit from a little more coherent asset allocation/investing plan, but who am I to criticize? Certainly, their plan is reasonable, as is their moderate use of non-callable margin debt.]
What do you think? Are you a super-saving doc? Do you know someone who is? Do you hate your job enough to save like this? Will you carry debt into early retirement?
M / WCI and other readers
Are you doing TLH during this market correction?
I would be if I had taxable stock losses.
Well done saving so aggressively. My sister and her husband did something similar that reminds me of your story: she was an office manager for a dentist and he drove trains. Both made about $75K/yr, did not have kids, meticulously maintained their old cars, shopped for sales, frequented garage sales, and never took vacations. Kind of the “live like a resident” on steroids. They lived on a burn rate of about $50k/yr.
By age 45 they had about $3.1MM in investments and were able to retire.
The “problem” now is that they cannot loosen the purse strings because frugality has become too ingrained. So they have no plans to travel or to indulge in any luxury, even though their net worth is still _increasing_ even without salaries. They plan to die rich and bequeath it all to charities.
M
Would you be averse to publishing your budget as a comment? I would like to see your expenses to understand how you live so frugally with a child. I live in a high cost area of the country but still I dont see how you pay for childcare and/or education when comparing to my own budget. In most parts of the country that are very inexpensive to live in, public education tends to be lacking so I would think you would need to use private schools in some fashion. Plus with both of you guys working child care expenses must have been a burden. Thanks
G, hope this is helpful:
– Did have to do a nanny, pre-school, and then private school for awhile, but now kid is in public (great district in our area, which is moderate-high cost-of-living). Went from $30k+ of yearly child-care expenses/education to $20k+, then down to $15-20k, and now negligible (some help from family and some before- and after-school care programs).
– Expenses per month are roughly:
– $130 cable/internet
– $1690 student loans (both of ours added together)
– $240 house cleaner
– $200 gas, electric, and water
– $95 cell phones
– $400 car lease
– $2800 mortgage/insurance
– $3000-5000 credit cards (paid in full; mostly travel expenses, food, restaurants)
– Again, with $500-600k of gross income over the years, I wouldn’t say that any of our expenses have been a burden. It has mainly just been finding the time to cook healthy meals and decompress each evening.
Similar categories of expenses for us except:
$0 cable
$75 Internet
$0 student loans
$160 house cleaner (otherwise vacuuming by our robot)
$80 cell phones
$0 car lease
$0 mortgage
It gets even easier to save money later if the debts are paid off. Assuming you keep the hedonic treadmill in check!
Agreed, WealthyDoc. Since my last comment on this post almost a year ago, our practice was bought, allowing us to obliterate the mortgage and student loans completely. We invested the rest, as opposed to increasing the incline of that hedonic treadmill. We also now own both our cars, so no more lease.
We are so paranoid about lifestyle creep that every time my wife and I feel like we’re splurging, we kind of look at each other like, “See, THIS is how things can get out of control.” I wonder if we’ll ever grow out of that mindset…
Awesome.
It is great to hear of your progress. Despite all of the arguments pro and con about debt I think being debt free is a “no-brainer.” Cash flow improves but so does your emotional sense of financial security. Any other changes in your lives? Are you and your wife still working full time? I’m in a similar “asset bracket.” but with less income since my wife doesn’t work outside the home. I continue to cut back on my work hours. I wouldn’t want to give up clinical medicine completely but so far when I cut back I feel less stressed, enjoy work and non-work life more and pay less income tax. Part-time or at least less than the typical physician 50-60 hour work week seems the way to go for me. Still trying to find the “sweet spot” maybe 30 hours of work per week? more ? less? not sure? You?
When we were first discussing how to handle the buyout money, I must admit we toyed with the idea of investing all of it. But when I crunched the numbers, I found that we could pay off all debt AND invest enough to bring us awfully close to our “number.” So then it did, indeed, become a no-brainer to pay off all debt. Also, I figured that one or both of us would feel more comfortable saying goodbye to work altogether if all debt was gone.
Over this year, we have surpassed our “number,” so work is now entirely optional (once we complete the current contract term with our new bosses). I have cut back on my time in the office, and it has made a tremendous difference in my happiness. I am a more engaged clinician while in the exam room (which has helped me enjoy the good aspects of medicine), and I’m less of a grouch at home. So win-win. I plan to continue weaning down my time in the office, to around 25-28 patient contact hours per week, over the course of the next few years (I still hold a couple of admin positions). I feel pressured to do this gradually, as the powers-that-be discourage it. Ultimately, I’d like to continue practicing medicine, in some capacity, until my daughter graduates high school in a decade. At that point, my wife and I would like to take more extended vacations, which probably means retirement from our current positions.
Interestingly, my wife has decided to NOT cut back her hours at this time, citing lack of burnout. I find this curious, as she could work less and play more, regardless of burnout status, and still make a great income. Maybe she is just enjoying having me do all the cooking and child pickup duties during the week? 🙂
But I have a feeling she may retire completely within a few years, while I would plan to work longer if I can still extract some enjoyment out of the job.
It’s 2023 – are you retiring this year? Would love to get an update from this family!
ARH, just in case you missed them, I did write two more guest posts about our progress:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/super-saving-for-an-early-retirement-part-2-lessons-learned/
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/super-saving-for-an-early-retirement-part-3/
TLDR: We are both retired from clinical practice now. My wife has an unbelievably full life with all the non-medical stuff she has pursued. I’ve had a much harder time embracing the “R-word,” as my ultimate exit from clinical practice occurred more because the practice situation had deteriorated to a critical level and less because I was totally ready to say goodbye. But interestingly, I don’t miss it as much as I thought I would (but I do miss it to some extent).
I continue to hold what is sort of an admin post at the same practice, which has enabled me to somewhat keep my hand in medicine. (I’m being deliberately vague about the position, as it’s a fairly unique job that would make me more identifiable.)
I also do some consulting in the medical space, though I don’t have anything insightful to offer about how to get into that, as all of my opportunities have presented themselves through the cosmic force of serendipity — not me pounding the pavement looking for work.
I spend a fair amount of time outdoors, which is my favorite part of being retired — no more going to work when it’s dark and coming home when it’s dark.
And finally — this might be of interest to the WCI community — I spend a lot of time doing investment research, looking for opportunities with little correlation to public markets. These last 2-3 years have taught me that there is probably value in finding such investments, as all of our stock and bond index funds have gone down and still not fully recovered. Fortunately, the portfolio kicks off enough dividends and interest to fund most of our lifestyle, and the rest is funded through whatever money I make plus a little bit of our cash cushion.