By Dr. James M. Dahle, WCI Founder
From time to time I hear doctors talk about incorporating in order to decrease liability and taxes. Almost without fail, the doctor overestimates the decrease in liability and taxes to be paid, especially once the costs of incorporation are taken into account. We'll try to set the record straight here.
Should You Incorporate to Reduce Liability
Incorporating doesn't decrease your malpractice liability one iota. The only way to do that is to practice good medicine, have good risk management techniques, and to carry adequate malpractice insurance. Obviously, this is the greatest liability issue for most doctors.
Incorporating your business also won't really help with other liability concerns, such as accidents on your property, auto accidents, or issues with other businesses you may be involved with. The best way to reduce these is to carry high liability limits on your auto and property policies, and to add on an umbrella policy. Other businesses with significant liability (such as rental properties) should be placed into limited liability companies so that your maximum liability will be limited to the value of the business.
However, there can be other liability issues, such as your employees suing you for discrimination or other issues in which incorporation can help protect your personal assets. You need to balance this decreased liability with the increased complexity and cost of incorporation.
For many doctors, incorporating probably doesn't decrease your overall liability enough to justify the trouble.
Should You Incorporate to Save on Taxes
Remember that tax avoidance is legal and good, and that tax evasion is illegal and bad. A wise physician does many things to avoid taxes, such as funding 401Ks, keeping track of write-offs throughout the year, and giving to charity. Only a fool gets involved in tax evasion schemes.
There are basically three types of corporations as far as taxes are concerned.
C Corporations
C corporations pay corporate tax rates. The C corporation tax schedule is pretty similar to the personal tax schedule, so there is really no significant benefit for a doctor to use this structure. In fact, it introduces double taxation on money.
Consider a physician that makes his business a C corporation and earns $300,000. First, he pays $100,000 in corporate tax. Then, he distributes the money to himself as a dividend which is taxed at 15%, the dividend rate, for another $30,000 in taxes. If he hadn't been structured as a C Corp, his tax bill would have only been $85,000 in taxes (even less if he were married), instead of $130,000. This just doesn't make sense for most doctors, who actually want to be able to have what they earn for their services.
S Corporations and Limited Liability Companies (LLCs)
So that leaves the pass-through entities such as S corporations, limited liability companies, and professional limited liability companies (if available in your state.) These entities do not pay corporate tax rates, “passing through” the tax liability to their owners, who then pay the appropriate taxes at their ordinary tax rates. As far as federal and state income taxes go, there is little difference between your tax bill if you are a sole proprietor (not incorporated), an S Corp shareholder, or an LLC member.As an employee, you make a salary. Your income taxes and your payroll taxes (social security and medicare) are taken out of your pay. You'll always pay the employee portion of the payroll taxes, and either you (if you're a sole proprietor) or your employer will pay the employer portion.
As an S Corp shareholder, you will be paid both a salary AND dividends. On the salary, you pay income tax and both halves of the payroll taxes. However, on the dividends, you do not pay the payroll taxes. This is a significant tax, as high as 15.3%, so not having to pay it can be pretty advantageous. This makes your incentive, obviously, to pay yourself a tiny salary and a huge dividend each year.
This is a big difference between an LLC and an S Corp. With an LLC, all of your income is subject to payroll taxes. (Although technically, an LLC can choose to be treated as a corporation, and an LLC with multiple members is taxed as a partnership.)
The IRS, of course, understands the incentive to form an S Corp to save some taxes. So they have a rule that requires your salary to be “reasonable” for the services rendered:
“Distributions and other payments by an S corporation to a corporate officer must be treated as wages to the extent the amounts are reasonable compensation for services rendered to the corporation.”
There are no specific guidelines as to what reasonable compensation is, but various courts have had rulings that help to define this, so you'll need to tread carefully in this area, probably with some qualified legal advice. The IRS has suggested the following factors should be considered when determining what reasonable compensation is
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Training and experience
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Duties and responsibilities
Time and effort devoted to the business
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Dividend history
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Payments to non-shareholder employees
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Timing and manner of paying bonuses to key people
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What comparable businesses pay for similar services
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Compensation agreements
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The use of a formula to determine compensation
So how much can you reasonably save in taxes in this situation? Well, let's use an example from my own field.
Let's say as a partner in my emergency medicine group I generate income of about $225 an hour, and after working 1500 hours for the year, I have an annual income of $337,500. Let's also say that in our emergency department, we pay our prn, employee, or moonlighting physicians $150 an hour. If a moonlighting physician worked 1500 hours at that rate, he would have an income of $225,000. So “reasonable compensation” could be defined as $225,000 and you could pay yourself $112,500 as a dividend.
What would the tax savings be? Well, federal and state income taxes would be equal, and with a salary of $225,000, you've already maxed out your social security tax for the year. So that leaves Medicare tax. Both halves of medicare are equal to 2.9%, so 2.9% times $112,500 equals $3262.50. You would then have to subtract the costs of incorporation from that.
You can quickly see that there isn't a huge tax savings to be had here by incorporating. It might be worth it, depending on your circumstances, but you'd have to run your own numbers.
[Update 2020: As we republish this post that originally ran in 2011, one notable update is the 199A deduction included as part of the 2018 TCJA. Although it really doesn't apply to physicians and other specified service businesses, an S Corp has wages for its owner-employees which are often necessary for there to be any significant 199A deduction. But for a physician business, there is still no real tax benefit to incorporating other than saving payroll taxes.]
Incorporation Cost
You should plan on paying at least several hundred dollars to incorporate, although you may be able to find packages on the internet that will help you do it yourself for less than $200. There are also additional legal and accounting compliance costs that will vary (you have to file a corporation tax return each year). Only you can decide how much the hassle to do it yourself is worth. Otherwise, you'll need to pay a highly trained professional such as an attorney or accountant to take care of those tasks. You'll probably want to incorporate in Delaware or Nevada to save on incorporation fees.
In summary, incorporation isn't the financial boon that many uninformed doctors think it will be. The tax savings are generally pretty limited, and it won't decrease your main liability issues a bit.
Agree or disagree? Do you think it's worth it for doctors to incorporate to lower liability and their tax bill? Comment below!
Is this going to change based on the President’s tax reform plan announced today?
If the plan as announced passes (which is obviously unlikely as there are always changes made during the legislative process,) then sure, it could change quite a bit.
You should really mention that incorporating can actually cost doctors more due to Professional Service Corporation rules.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/professional-corporations-29024.html
Good point.
Sorry for the newbie question! Started work as an ED attending in Cali out of residency a year ago, currently getting paid as a W-2, made mid $300s gross this past year. Will probably go part-time or leave in a year to find other gigs (preferably 1099). I’m interested in a business opportunity, where I would be 50% owner and thus 50% profit sharing of an already existing urgent care (that is barely above breaking even currently financially) and be medical director (without putting any money in), and work clinically some if needed. My salary from that would be my share of the profit, except “paying myself” as part owner some for clinical hours; the gentleman I would go into business with advised me on creating an LLC here in California, and thinks the best liability protection and tax deductions would occur if I were to sign on to the offer as an LLC (he’s not a medical professional). Do you think LLC, S Corp, or sole proprietorship would be best to sign on to such an opportunity? Should I use the same to sign onto future 1099 positions? If forming an LLC or Scorp, would starting it in Nevada (although my work and business is in Cali) be of any benefit? Also, please don’t hold back if you believe this is a bad business opportunity. Thanks.
I don’t know if it is a bad opportunity or not, the devil is in the details. Be sure to have the contract reviewed by an attorney.
I don’t hear a reason to do an S Corp, but an LLC seems wise to protect from business liability. Not sure how much protection you get from a single owner LLC in California though. Probably worth spending a few bucks to talk to a California attorney.
Not sure what benefit you’re hoping to get by forming the LLC in Nevada though.
If you open a business as an LLC, are you able to switch it to an S corp down the road and vise versa?
Easier to go LLC to S Corp than vice versa. However, as an LLC you can elect to be treated as a sole proprietor/partners or a corporation for tax purposes.
Thanks!
I make about 400k at employed job and am going to start moonlighting and expect about 140k from that in a 1099. Since I will already max out SS taxes through my w2, I don’t think I save anything with an S Corp. Is there any benefit to forming an llc or should I just file directly as a sole proprietar?
I don’t know that I’d form an S Corp for that. Probably too much hassle for the Medicare tax savings, but it might be worth the hassle to some. I don’t think I’d even bother with an LLC as your only liability is malpractice and that’s always personal anyway. I’d just do the sole proprietor thing.
“So “reasonable compensation” could be defined as $225,000 and you could pay yourself $112,500 as a dividend. What would the tax savings be? Well, federal and state income taxes would be equal, and with a salary of $225,000, you’ve already maxed out your social security tax for the year.”
The implication is that the choice of S-corp vs Sole Proprietorship doesn’t affect SS tax. I think this is correct only in case your practice is your only income.
However, let’s imagine that you are both an employee at a hospital earning $137,700 or more and you also have your own practice with the same income as in your post: (a) $337.5k as a Sole Proprietor, or (b) ($225k salary, $112.5k dividend) in an S-corp.
Please correct me if I am wrong but I think that
(a) If you are both an employee and a Sole Proprietor, your total Social Security tax is capped at just 6.2% of $137,700 = $8,537.
(b) However, if you incorporate as an S-corp, you will now have two employers: your hospital and the S-corp. The employee part is still capped at 6.2% of $137,700. However, your S-corp, as an employer, must pay 6.2% of $137,700, too! This doubles your Social Security liability to $17,075.
This makes incorporation unattractive in case you are both an employee and run your own business.
Please let me know if I missed something.
I agree. You’re missing nothin. W-2 + S Corp is a bad combination here. Far better to have an employee + sole proprietor or partner + S-corp situation. I have a post coming out on it soon.
I believe this is refundable, you can put it under Form 1040 Excess Social Security Tax Withheld
Nice Post. So then, why do people claim that forming an LLC for your business will limit your liability to just the business and leave personal assets out of it? I mean, I know that you said that malpractice is personal, and LLC will do nothing in that case. But what about for business liability? Why wouldn’t it help with that? Isn’t that the reason that business owners in general form LLCs for their businesses?
Also, I know that you said incorporating does not save you any taxes, unless you make enough to maybe save a little bit with Medicare tax on the distributions from an S corporation. Is this because if you are 1099, then you can deduct business expenses as a sole proprietor without incorporating, just as much as you can if you did incorporate?
Yes, it would.
Yes, a sole proprietor can deduct the same expenses as a corporation for the most part.
I am faculty at a hospital that doesn’t allow private practice work outside of the university. They allow consulting work. I’m starting a consulting business on my own – for speaking and teaching at orgs (non-clinical) – does an LLC make the most sense?
I’m not sure how much income I will make from this in the first year – but my first consulting gig will likely generate ~ 10k. Thinking I could like do 1-5 in the first year.
Also since it isn’t clinical work – confirming you don’t need liability insurance for this type of work? I have malpractice for my clinical work as faculty.
Is there much liability in this business? If not, a sole proprietorship should be fine. I certainly wouldn’t bother incorporating for < $50K of income a year. So sole proprietor if not much liability, an LLC if there is.
Consider updating this article. I believe the LLC taxed as S-Corp is how most physicians should probably operate. If anyone has other tax saving business entities strategies then please share. I watch Mark Kohler and read his stuff.
I disagree with the “most” assertion. First, most docs are employees. But even for those who are ICs, there’s got to be enough of an advantage to filing as an S corp (primarily saved payroll taxes on distributions) to justify the cost and hassle of incorporation. That’s certainly not the case for all docs and I’m not even sure it’s the case for most docs. Certainly for some.
What do you see that needs to be updated?
Hi Jim,
Would love to hear some of your thoughts please. I am somewhat financially illiterate and have slowly been learning about taxes from WCI.
I am a full time employed physician on W2 in 2022 (220K per year). Had significant boost in income from 1099 from side gig telemedicine making about $80-90K. Had a huge sticker shock after my CPA recently prepared for my tax 2022 return and I owed $22K. I kinda knew I would owe taxes for these 1099 paychecks so I had been saving about 30% each paycheck. To avoid this big sticker shock, I can elect more to be withheld by filling out a W4 form. If I don’t want to do this, can I prepay tax quarterly? I don’t know how to do this myself but am I allowed to do this if I am not in a corp?
I currently live in Nevada and I read in the article that it is not worth forming either LLC or S-corp. Why is this?
Also, given that my 1099 side gig might drastically decrease in volume in 2023 (and that the deadline to submit corp application to the IRS is March 15), would it really be reasonable to even consider forming any corp at all? There might be a possibility that I might to relocate to Utah sometimes in the summer this year, but this is still up in the air.
If I end up with sole proprietorship (regular schedule C) can I open a solo 401k for tax year 2023 even if I max out my 401k at my W2 job? Would the limit be the same as regular 401k for my W2 job (ie. 22500 for 2023)?
Thanks Jim!
Jonathan
Yes.
No, you don’t need to be a Corp. You can mail in your payment with this form:
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040es.pdf
or do it online like most of us at https://www.eftps.gov/eftps/
What advantage are you expecting or hoping for from forming an LLC or S Corp? Are you hoping to reduce your malpractice liability? It won’t do that. Are you hoping to save taxes? The only tax you might save is some of your Medicare tax. I wouldn’t bother for an $85K side gig.
Yes, a sole proprietorship can use a solo 401(k). The limit is $66K for 2023. You would not be able to use an employee deferral (tax-deferred or Roth) contribution to do that. It would have to be either employer contribution (20% of net self employment income) or an after-tax employee contribution (i.e. the first half of the Mega Backdoor Roth IRA process). More info here:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/multiple-401k-rules/
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/the-mega-backdoor-roth-ira/
Ok – its interesting that other people recommend to just do an S-corp if 1099 income is at least 80K. Mine could be between 80-120K but it can also be lower. I guess with this uncertainty and possibility of me moving from NV to UT this year, it makes sense for me not to even consider any type of corp whether it is LLC (with S-corp tax elect) or straight S-corp. My main goal is to save on taxes. My CPA runs a few numbers (assuming 120K 1099 income, 10K SEP IRA, reasonable salary of 70K, payroll fee of $600 and tax prep fee of 800, then overall tax savings will be about 4400)
This is another basic question – even with an income as little as 10K on 1099, I can open a solo 401k, correct? I don’t think there is any minimum income limit for it but I’m not sure. I need to do more reading about this solo 401k. When the limit is 66K for 2023, this is cumulative – meaning that it will include my 401k from my W2 (limit will be 22500 in 2023) and the solo one that I will open on my own, will also be 22500. How do you max it out then?
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No minimum income requirement for a business or for a solo 401(k).
Not sure about your tax savings calculations though. For most docs who are already maxing out their SS taxes, the typical savings from an S Corp is only Medicare tax. 2.9%. 2.2% or so after the deduction. So a S Corp distribution of $100K saves you $2,200 in taxes. That’s about the break even point IMHO for the additional hassle and costs of running an S Corp (whether true S Corp or LLC filing as an S Corp).
The $66K limit is per unrelated employer. It is not cumulative. The $22.5K limit is though. You only get one of those. MOre info here:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/multiple-401k-rules/
Hi nice post,
I heard that most states would require a PLLC instead of LLC to practice medicine, and some states like California would require a PC to do the practice. Is this true?
Also I am not sure if a sole proprietor can have a defined benefit plan?
Some states do require a PLLC. I don’t think California requires either a PLLC or a PC to practice medicine, but if you want to be an LLC or corporation, it has to be a PLLC/PC.
And yes, a sole proprietor can have a DB/CB plan.