
Every March and April I am absolutely inundated with Backdoor Roth IRA questions. This year was no different and I found my prior post on 17 Ways to Screw Up a Backdoor Roth IRA to be inadequate. Not only are you guys incredibly good at finding new ways to screw Backdoor Roths up, but that post focused too much on the errors and not enough on the solutions once the errors have been made. I haven't given up on prevention, but I am now focusing more on treatment.
For a process that seems so incredibly simple to me, it can be amazing all the different ways to screw it up. In 2019, I noticed a couple of trends in the questions I was getting that probably deserve some time on the blog. Before we get into them, let me explain the VERY SIMPLE way to do a Backdoor Roth IRA. There are essentially six steps. I'll go over them and then go over how to fix errors that occur with each step.
6 Steps to Successfully Contribute to a Backdoor Roth IRA
- Step #1: Contribute to traditional IRA ($6K, $7K if 50+ for 2019).
- Step #2: Invest the money in a money market fund.
- Step #3: Move money from traditional IRA to Roth IRA (i.e. a Roth conversion).
- Step #4: Invest in your preferred investment (typically a stock, bond, or balanced index mutual fund).
- Step #5: Ensure you have no money in a traditional IRA, SEP-IRA, or SIMPLE IRA on December 31st of the year you do the CONVERSION step.
- Step #6: Report the transactions correctly on your taxes by filling out Form 8606.
Seriously. That's it. If you can do a cholecystectomy, you can do this. If you can work up a pulmonary embolus appropriately, you can do this. If you can manage hypertension well, you can do this. If you can fill a cavity, you can do this. Super easy.
However, people still manage to screw up on EACH of those six steps. Let's go through the mistakes people make, step by step.
How to FIX Backdoor Roth IRA Mistakes
Step #1 Error: Contributing Directly to a Roth IRA
An error that commonly occurs with a first Backdoor Roth IRA is that people simply don't realize that their income is too high to do a direct Roth IRA contribution. So instead of doing it indirectly (i.e. going through the Backdoor), which is no big deal even if you're under the limit, they contribute directly to a Roth IRA. Then they realize their Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) is over $137,000 ($193,000 Married Filing Jointly) for 2019. Now what?
Enter the Recharacterization
Well, now you have to recharacterize the Roth IRA contribution to a traditional IRA contribution. This basically makes it as though you never contributed to a Roth IRA but contributed to a traditional IRA instead. You usually have to call your IRA provider to get this done, but it's no big deal.
You have until the due date of your tax return to do this (including extensions). So if you did an IRA contribution in January of 2018 for the 2018 tax year, you have until October 15, 2019 to do a recharacterization. There's no penalty or anything to do it. You can do the opposite as well if you contributed to a traditional IRA but meant to contribute directly to a Roth IRA.
Bear in mind that starting in 2018, you can no longer do recharacterizations of Roth CONVERSIONS (not contributions). This eliminated the “Roth IRA Conversion Horserace” technique for tax reduction.
Until recently, I had thought there was a waiting period after a recharacterization to then reconvert the money to a Roth IRA. However, that rule was only for recharacterizations of conversions, not contributions. There has never been a waiting period for a recharacterization.
Any gains that occur before the final conversion are, of course, fully taxable at your ordinary income tax rate in the year of the final conversion.
Step #2 Error: Not Investing in a Money Market Fund in the Traditional IRA
I ran into a new issue this year from a couple of people. What happens if you LOSE money in between the contribution and conversion step? This problem is easily avoided by using an investment like a money market fund that does not go down in value for that time period, but some people fail to do so and end up losing money. When they work their way through their IRS Form 8606, they discover they have basis left over that they can then carry forward indefinitely for years! No big deal, it just makes your paperwork more complicated. Perhaps at some point in the future you'll do a Roth conversion of tax-deferred money and this carry forward basis will reduce the tax on that event.
What if you MADE money in the account between contribution and conversion? This actually happens most of the time, so I wrote an entire post on it called Pennies and the Backdoor Roth IRA. Technically, any money earned between the contribution and conversion step is fully taxable at ordinary income tax rates in the year of the conversion. If it is less than 50 cents, you just ignore it. More, you report it on your 8606 and pay taxes on it.
If it is still in the traditional IRA, either do another tiny Roth conversion or leave it there until you do next year's Backdoor Roth IRA process, either is fine. If you were smart and just used a money market fund and did the conversion as soon as your IRA provider allowed it (usually less than a week and sometimes as early as the next day), this won't be much money and there won't be much tax due.
Step #3 Error: Forgetting to Do the Conversion
If you were dumb and forgot to do the conversion step for eight months afterward, it could be a huge gain you're paying taxes unnecessarily on. No way to fix this one, just pay your stupid tax and move on.
Step #4 Error: Forgetting to Invest the Roth IRA Money
Even worse than paying taxes on a huge gain, is not getting the gain in the first place because you left the money sitting in cash for months. No way to fix this one either. Your “stupid tax” this time comes in the form of opportunity cost. Just get the money invested ASAP to stop the cash drag. Maybe you even got lucky and the market went down in between contribution and investment so now you get to buy low.
Step #5 Error: The Pro-Rata Rule
Some of the most common questions I get are from people who make a late contribution to a Backdoor Roth IRA. What do I mean by late? Well, you are allowed to make an IRA contribution AFTER the calendar year ends. In fact, you have until tax day, usually April 15th unless you get an extension of up to six months. While it is to your advantage to contribute to retirement accounts as quickly as possible so that money can start compounding in a tax-protected way, I understand that we all have lots of good things to do with our money and sometimes this gets pushed back into the next calendar year. All it really does is complicate your paperwork a bit.
For example, if you made your 2018 IRA contribution in April 2019, instead of reporting both the contribution and the conversion on your 2018 taxes, you would report only the contribution there. The conversion would be reported on the taxes for the year you did the conversion, i.e. your 2019 tax return due in April 2020. Your 2018 IRS Form 8606 becomes a little simpler and your 2019 IRS Form 8606 becomes a little more complicated. Not a big deal if you can follow the simple instructions.
What confuses people, however, is the pro-rata rule. This is the rule that says you need to empty out your traditional IRA by December 31st of the year you do the conversion. Since these folks have never filled out a Form 8606 (or apparently read the instructions) they assume that for a 2018 contribution they need to have a balance of $0 at the end of 2018, even if they didn't do the conversion step until 2019. That's simply not the case. The pro-rata rule isn't applied until the year of the conversion, i.e. December 31st, 2019.
Emptying the IRAs
So how do you empty out those IRAs? You usually have two choices.
- Do a Roth conversion of the whole thing. This is what I generally recommend for small IRAs where the tax bill on the conversion would not be too onerous. It is quick, easy, and increases the amount of tax-free assets you have.
- Roll the money into a 401(k) or 403(b), either that of your current employer, that of a past employer, or to your own individual 401(k) if you are self-employed. This is usually a better option if you have a large IRA where you would rather deal with the hassle than pay the tax bill during your peak earnings years.
So how large is large and how small is small? Well, it's going to vary by the person and how much disposable cash they have. Most would consider an IRA under $10K to be small and an IRA over $100K to be large. In between, it's a personal decision as to which would be better for you.
What If You Didn't Empty the IRA?
So what if you screwed this one up? Well, your Backdoor Roth IRA conversion step just got pro-rata'd. There is a tax bill associated with that because most of your conversion was of tax-deferred money rather than post-tax money like it was supposed to be.
The fix for this is going to vary by the individual, but the easiest fix is to simply convert the entire IRA to a Roth IRA now, so you end up getting all your post-tax money into that Roth IRA. Another possible fix is to figure out a way to separate your basis in that IRA, roll the tax-deferred money into a 401(k), and then convert the basis left behind in the IRA.
Do yourself a favor and just empty the darn IRA by December 31st. Keep in mind that this is usually not an instantaneous process, so don't put it off until you're on holiday break at the end of the year.
Step #6 Error: Screwing Up the Tax Forms
Both individual taxpayers and professional tax preparers screw up IRS Form 8606 all the time. In fact, some of them haven't even heard of a Backdoor Roth IRA. (Incidentally, this is one of the best questions to ask while interviewing a potential tax professional—”How many backdoor Roth IRAs did you help last year?”)
The usual fix to this error is to file a 1040X (Amended Tax Return) and a new Form 8606. You can do this for the last three years if necessary. If you didn't file Form 8606 at all, you'll definitely want to do this. The key is to check lines 15c and 18 on Form 8606. They should both be a number very close to zero if the form is being completed correctly.
The tax preparer should NOT be filing Form 5439. If you did steps 1-5 right, this form probably doesn't belong in your tax return.
A lot of people wonder about the 1099-R sent to them by their IRA provider and worry that it was done wrong and that it will cause them to pay tax they shouldn't have to pay. Sometimes the form was filled out wrong, but mostly this is just a lot of anxiety. What gets people anxious is finding something on Line 2a “Taxable amount”. As long as the box on Line 2b is also checked “Taxable amount not determined”, you're golden. Don't worry about it. If it is not, have the IRA provider send you a new, correct form, either with $0 in 2a or the box in 2b checked (usually the latter). Here's what mine looks like every year from Vanguard:
Note that Box 2b is checked, even though they are reporting a taxable amount of $5,500.07 to the IRS.
Again, if you're not sure how to enter this into Turbotax, check out Harry Sit's excellent tutorial. I still occasionally refer to it myself.
Still Confused About the Backdoor Roth?
I wish Congress would just lift the rule against direct Roth IRA contributions for high earners and save us all this hassle, but who knows if that will ever happen.
- Need more help with a Backdoor Roth IRA? Here is my Backdoor Roth IRA Tutorial (along with 1800 comments on it).
- If you did your contribution after the end of the year, check out Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA.
- The Physician on FIRE walks you through a step by step Backdoor Roth IRA at Vanguard.
- Harry Sit walks you through reporting the Backdoor Roth IRA in Turbotax.
- Here is my prior post on 17 Ways to Screw up Your Backdoor Roth IRA.
- You can hire a professional to help you, either a good financial advisor or a good tax strategist can assist.
- You can also ask your peers for help on the WCI Forum, the Private WCI FaceBook Group, and the WCI Subreddit.
What do you think? Which Backdoor Roth IRA mistakes have you made? How did you fix them? What errors do you see others making? Comment below!
Hello,
I did a 7k contribution in December 2024 and didn’t realize I had to convert it before the year was up. I made another 7k contribution in January 2025. My current balance is 14,241 as of today.
I realize my mistake from 2024, but what are my best options for reducing how much I get taxed in 2025? Thank you so much!
Did you have to? Did you do any sort of Roth conversion in 2024? If not, then no, you didn’t have to convert it before the year was up. If there is no conversion, there is no proration of that conversion.
I had a question. I did a clean backdoor roth in the beginning of 2025, but there’s a 401k from my previous employer that I’m trying to take care of.
1/3 Contributed $7,000 into traditional IRA.
1/5 Converted $7,000 into roth IRA
I’m thinking about rolling over the 401k into IRA, (about 4k in Roth 401k, and 4k in Regular 401k) and convert the entire traditional portion to roth IRA this year,
1. Would this create more paperwork because it’s 2 separate conversions into Roth IRA?
2. Since I’m converting the entire amount 7,000 + 4,000 (from 401k rollover), am I just liable for about 960 in taxes because of pro rata? (in 24% bracket).
Thanks!
1. A little, but it sounds like a good plan anyway.
2. If you convert all of your tax-deferred money to Roth there isn’t any pro-rata. You’ll owe taxes on the $4K conversion of course and that might be something like $960 I suppose if you’re in the 24% bracket.
Thank you!
If I rollover the 401k this year, and convert it right away,
1. What additional steps do I need to take?
2. Are there lines on the 8606 that I need to pay attention to?
Thank you!
1. None that I know of. Not sure what you’re thinking about or referring to. I mean, you should invest that money once it gets into the Roth IRA. That’s an additional step. And eventually you may want to pull some money out and spend it in retirement or something.
2. All of them, but I see most mistakes on line 2, 6, and 8.
ok! Thank you!
I’ve skimmed through these comments and not found anything that fully encapsulates my wonderful mistakes! There is a great line in the end Finance Buff article about 1st and 2nd year guide to putting it in Turbo Tax that says “you wouldn’t make this mistake again…” Allow me to impress you with my ineptitude!
2022: Straight Roth, Income levels well under limits.
2023 IRA contribution: $6500 into Roth in March 2023. Realized AFTER filing taxes in April of 2024 that we were in phase out territory for our income and recharacterized $5900 plus earnings (calculated by Investment company as $9700-ish total) into a Traditional IRA in August of 2024 (we filed taxes in April 2024 for 2023 so we will amended the 2023 tax return to include form 8606 and 5900 traditional contributions, so we have the 5900 basis to carry over to 2024 tax return and include the recharacterization statement). In my recharacterization, I tried to move cash, under-estimated what cash would need to be available, and moved securities as well (which grew within the Traditional IRA). Three weeks later (in 2024), I converted the Traditional to Roth value at $10700…so $983 more then when I recharacterized it three weeks earlier. As of 12.31.23, all my traditional IRA accounts were zero.
2024 IRA contribution: In 2024, I contributed 7000 to a Roth IRA. While doing my 2024 tax return, I realized again that my MAGI was over the limit. It is March 2025 and I am recharacterizing it and earnings as we speak. For this example, let’s say it is 11,111. Then converting. (Bracing for that number!). As of 12.31.24, there was zero in my traditional IRA account.
So my question is since I messed this up 2 years in a row, reporting these 2 years on one form 8606 for 2024 doesn’t come out as I expected. It seems like the contribution plus basis carryover is larger than the 10K converted (2023 contribution) so I end up not recognizing any gain on the 2024 return and having carryover basis of 2K so I essentially will recognized all the gain for my screw ups of 2 years on my 2025 tax return.
SO, my working theory is for the tax returns is:
2023: Amend to capture the recharacterization 1099-R of the 2023 contribution. and submit a 1040X with the new 8606.
2024: Capture the gains from Conversion of the 2023 contribution (the full $10700-ish less the $5900). Capture the recharacterization 1099-R of the 2024 Contribution. This will offset the taxes owed in 2024?
2025: Pay the tax man for the realization of the gains on the 2024 Conversion. Capture the 1099R and small loss for the 2025 recharacterization and conversion.
I’m not quite clear on everything that happened and what’s going on, but you’ve certainly made a mess. Other than paying a little extra in taxes though it all seems pretty straightforward to clean up.
Remember that with a recharacterization you just treat it as though it went into the traditional IRA in the first place. Remember that and the rest is pretty easy to work through on the forms.
I have read everything you have published along with the numerous questions/answers/comments… even How to FIX Backdoor IRA mistakes. This is my first time doing a Backdoor Roth IRA and want to confirm I have completed my taxes correctly specifically the Form 8606 and 1099-R before efiling.
In 2024, I donated $8k (near equal monthly amounts) to my long time established Roth IRA. In 2025, I donated $1440 ($720 in Jan/Feb) to my long time established Roth IRA. On Feb 24, 2025 as I was preparing our taxes using TurboTax, I realized our MAGI was above the income limit. I immediately contacted my IRA provider and requested they recharacterize my Roth IRA contributions for 2024 and 2025 to a non-deductible Traditional IRA then convert it to my long time established Roth IRA. On Feb 26, 2025, $10317.95 was recharacterized to non-deductible Trad IRA ($8k for 2024 contributions + $1440 for 2025 contributions + $877.95 for earnings/gains). On Feb 26, 2025, the non-deductible Trad IRA was converted to my long time established Roth IRA, $9879.37 ($10317.95 – $438.49 mandatory state withholding taxes, this was unexpected, question below).
As I am completing my 2024 taxes in TurboTax, I ONLY indicated I made an $8k contribution to a non-deductible traditional IRA (used your TurboTax instructions and Late Contributions to the Backdoor Roth IRA instructions).
“The key to filling out the 8606 correctly when you make a contribution after the calendar year is to recognize that the contribution step is reported for the tax year (for me this is 2024) and the conversion step is reported for the calendar year (for me this will be 2025)….. Made a 2024 IRA contribution (reported on 2024 8606)…. 2024 Form 8606 (Only Have to Fill Out Part I)”.
I hand entered my 1099-R since I won’t receive one until next year for this transaction (per my IRA provider and your comments).
I have the following questions.
1. Do I report my 2024 earnings/gains of $877.95 on my 2024 taxes? Or do I wait and report them next year on my 2025 taxes since the transaction actually occurred in 2025? I realize I will have to pay taxes on these earnings/gains.
If yes, is this how I complete my 1099-R? box 1=$8k, box 2a=$8877.95, box 2b taxable amt not determined checked. (should full distribution be checked?) Are there any changes to my 2024 Form 8606?
2. Do I report my 2024 mandatory state withholding taxes on my 2024 state taxes? If so, do you have instructions? Am I not being double taxed? I am sending a W-4P Form to my IRA provider to prevent this in future years.
3. Did I miss anything else?
FYI — I have no other Traditional IRAs with the exception of an inherited TSP traditional IRA (from my deceased spouse in 2016) which does not apply to the Pro Rata rule (basis is $0)
CORRECTION:
If yes, is this how I complete my 2024 1099-R: box 1=$8877.95 (total distribution), box 2a=$877.95 (taxable amount)
The correct term is “contributed”, not “donated”. You donate to charity. You contribute to retirement accounts.
This post is written for you: https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/ira-recharacterizations/
1. No. That will be a conversion done in 2025, no? So you report that on your 2025 8606.
2. Why did you have taxes withheld? That was not wise. I don’t believe there are any mandatory withholdings on contributions, recharacterizations, or conversions. The likely consequence is you’ll get those taxes back eventually, but won’t be able to put them back into the retirement account.
3. I hope not, but interesting that you chose to use your spouse’s IRA as an inherited one instead of combining it with yours. Sorry for your loss.
Contributed vs donated…. ugghhhh. I know the difference. I don’t know why I typed that. Hopefully no mistypes this time.
Thank you for the link to your post. I had previously read it but it was a good refresher after reading so many of your posts which I truly appreciate.
So…for my 2024 taxes: I ONLY complete the 8606 for the contribution amount of $8000 for 2024 AND do not complete a 1099-R since the conversion to a Roth (distribution plus earnings) occurred in 2025? Are there any other specific instructions using 2024 TurboTax online that I should be aware of?
As for the mandatory withholding, if you live in Michigan and convert to a Roth IRA AND don’t have a MI W-4P on file with your IRA provider, they are required to withhold 4.25% of the conversion. I didn’t know about that until the conversion was occurring. I recognize now that I should have sent in the form then completed the conversion. Woulda…coulda…shoulda. I am hoping I will get a credit on my 2025 MI state tax return (the year of the conversion). Otherwise I am paying double taxes. AND I wont be able to put them back into the retirement account.
As for the TSP Traditional IRA for my deceased military spouse, that was back in 2016 when I didn’t know my options. TSP (for the military ONLY) required it to be closed and opened in my name since I was not eligible for a TSP account (hence an inherited IRA). Based on the Secure Act I have no time limit on withdrawals. Of course that’s a totally separate topic for another day.
You don’t complete 1099Rs, they’re sent to you.
Here’s the Turbotax backdoor Roth post: https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/how-to-report-a-backdoor-roth-ira-on-turbotax/
What a dumb Michigan law. I guess make sure you fill out the W-4P. It’s only 4.25% though, not a huge deal. You’ll get the money back, just less of it will be in a retirement account. Good heads up for Michigan folks.
You’re right that the rules on an inherited account from 2016 are much more lenient than they are now so a much less significant issue.
For years 2020-2023 (4x$6000) total of 24K was directly contributed to a Roth IRA unknowing of income limitations.
What’s the best way to fix this? Remove excess contributions to my checking account or Recharacterization to a Traditional IRA?
If I opt for the recharacterization of the 24K plus earnings to a traditional IRA how does it work when I come to do a back door Roth contribution for 2026 and moving forward? I don’t want this to be a complicated process moving forward. Thanks in advance.
Well, I guess it’s good news the IRS hasn’t noticed 2020-2022 yet. You can really only go back and refile taxes for the last 3 years though. That’s a lot of years to fix though.
If you can somehow recharacterize it all (the academically correct fix), then you’d just reconvert it to Roth so you can do BD Roth IRAs moving forward.
I think I’d probably get a professional to help clean this up and decide which years to refile and possibly some not to.
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/tax-strategists/
Hi, thanks for the great artcile. Its really helpful.
I’m looking for advice on retirement contributions with regards to Backdoor Roth. My spouse and I will be earning more than the MAGI limits for IRA. Both of us have IRA accounts.
* My Rollover IRA: 125K (rollover from 401K in 2024)
* My Roth IRA: $25K (combination of backdoor roth $7K in 2024 + Roth 401K rollover in 2024)
* Spouses’ Rollover IRA: ~2.5K (rollover from prior employer 403b in 2024)
All rollovers and contributions were in 2024 and reported on taxes, including form 8606. I did not have IRAs before 2024.
I’d like to make maximum contribution through the backdoor IRA method for both of us ($7K each), and avoid the pro-rata rule due to having money in our IRA. I also have an 401K account with my current employer. They allow roll-in from IRAs.
My understanding of steps to take is:
1. Roll-in my IRA ($125K) into my employer 401K.
2. After step 1 is complete, do the backdoor roth by contributing $7K to my IRA, then convert to ROTH IRA.
3. Do backdoor Roth for my spouse with $7K contribution to IRA, then converted to ROTH IRA. Since my spouse doesn’t have a 401K, I’m planning to take the pro-rata hit on the $2.5K currently in her IRA.
Questions:
1. Is this a sensible plan and actions in the right order?
2. I’m planning to do all of these steps before Dec 31, 2025. Does that align with the rules?
3. Can you confirm that my spouse’s pro-rate rule will not affect my backdoor IRA and only apply to $2.5K, since IRAs are considered individual accounts?
Thanks again for all the help.
1. No. You should just convert her entire $2.5K into a Roth IRA along with this year’s IRA contribution. You can afford the ~$1000 tax bill and it’ll avoid any pro-ration.
2. Yes
3. Yes.
Thanks a ton! That helps quite a bit. I’ll move forward as I planned, except convert my spouse’s IRA into Roth IRA in its entirety.