
For the most part, you can think of your 403(b) retirement plan as a 401(k). The similarities dramatically outweigh the differences.
Both are retirement plans offered only by an employer. They both offer a $23,000 employee contribution (for those under 50 in 2024) and a $69,000 total contribution (for those under 50 in 2024). They both can be enjoyed in tax-deferred and Roth flavors. The age 55 rule (not the age 59 1/2 rule) applies to both. If you leave the employer, you can access both 401(k) and 403(b) funds after age 55 without penalty. Both plans allow you to select your own investments from among those offered by the plan. They can both be rolled over into another employer retirement plan or an IRA when you separate from the employer. The balance in both of them does not affect the Roth conversion pro-rata rule. Required Minimum Distributions (RMDs) must be taken from both of them in retirement (although under Secure Act 2.0, those can be started as late as age 75). Both plans can offer an employer match. It's even theoretically possible (although rare) to do a Mega Backdoor Roth IRA with a 403(b).
While a public employee (teacher, university doc, etc.) is much more likely to be offered a 403(b) (plus a 457(b) and even a 401(a)) than a non-public employee, retirement investors and their advisors, for the most part, treat these accounts as equivalent. That's probably fine.
However, there are some subtle differences between the two, and this post is going to explore them.
#1 Catch-Up Contributions
Both 401(k)s and 403(b)s enjoy the age 50+ “catch-up contribution” of $7,500 (2024). However, 403(b) plans can (but are not required to) offer a second type of catch-up contribution—the “15 years of service catch-up contribution.” If you have been working for the employer for 15 years AND the plan allows it, your “elective deferral limit” (employee contribution) can be increased by the lesser of
- $3,000,
- $15,000, reduced by the amount of additional elective deferrals made in prior years because of this rule, or
- $5,000 times the number of the employee’s years of service for the organization, minus the total elective deferrals made for earlier years.
Complicated, I know. But the point is it is different. Most people are only going to get $3,000 a year ($15,000 total). That may not be much, but it beats a kick in the teeth. Note that 457(b) catch-up contribution rules are even stranger.
#2 Interactions with 401(a)s
If your employer offers a 401(k) and a 401(a), both plans share the same 415(c) (total contribution) limit ($69,000 in 2024). However, if your employer offers a 403(b) and a 401(a), both plans have their own 415(c) limit, totaling $138,000 in 2024).
#3 Interactions with Individual 401(k)s
If your employer offers a 403(b) and you have a side gig with an individual 401(k), those two plans share the same 415(c) limit ($69,000 in 2024). If you have multiple 403(b)s at multiple employers, they all share the same 415(c) limit. However, if the employer offers a 401(k) and you have an individual 401(k) for your 1099/independent contractor work, those two plans have their own separate 415(c) limits. If this is news to you, read the WCI classic post Multiple 401(k) Rules.
#4 403(b) Contributions Can Be Mandatory
Occasionally, I have run into a doctor whose 403(b) plan has mandatory contributions. I don't think 401(k) contributions are ever mandatory.
[FOUNDER'S NOTE BY DR. JIM DAHLE: Turns out I was wrong. See the comments for a doc with a mandatory contribution 401(k).]
#5 No Brokerage Window
401(k) investments generally consist of mutual funds, but they can also consist of stocks, bonds, ETFs, and annuities. In fact, 401(k)s can offer a “brokerage window” or even a “self-directed” feature that allows you to invest in almost anything. 403(b)s generally offer mutual funds and annuities. Until writing this post, I'd never seen one with a brokerage window, and I'd never heard of a self-directed 403(b). Apparently, a “master custodial account” that works similarly to a brokerage window can be made available in a plan, but the participant can still only purchase mutual funds and annuities with it. Interestingly, that rule does not apply to church 403(b)s.
The point is that you should expect more limited investment choices in a 403(b).
[FOUNDER'S NOTE BY DR. JIM DAHLE: After publication, I learned that at least two WCIers have a 403(b) with a brokerage window (see comments below), and one somehow allows them to buy individual stocks if they wish. Still, while every plan is unique, in general you're less likely to have as many investing options in a 403(b) than a 401(k).]
#6 Much More Likely to Be Offered Annuities
While a 401(k) can offer annuities as investment choices, it would be very unusual. That is not the case for 403(b)s. Fixed annuities, variable annuities, and even index-linked annuities (NOT the same thing as index funds) are frequently offered in 403(b)s. In fact, some 403(b)s ONLY offer annuities as investment options. 403(b)s are actually called Tax Sheltered Annuity Plans by the IRS.
#7 ERISA May Not Apply
The Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (ERISA) provides certain protections to retirement plans and their owners. These include such things as:
- Require plans to give participants information about the plan
- Sets minimum standards for participation, vesting, benefit accrual, and funding.
- Requires accountability of plan fiduciaries (including the company itself and the plan advisors)
- Gives participants the right to sue for benefits and fiduciary breaches
- Establishes the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation to guarantee certain benefits if a plan is terminated
- A federal level of asset protection law that generally exempts your retirement accounts from creditors if you have to declare bankruptcy
All 401(k)s fall under ERISA. However, 403(b)s may not fall under ERISA law if your employer does not match your contributions. What does that mean? It means you lose all of the above benefits, the most important of which is the fiduciary standard. In practice, this can be seen most frequently with teacher 403(b)s. No match. No fiduciaries. And many school district 403(b)s offer multiple vendors with different investments, fees, and disclosure practices. Teachers might be the most abused retirement investors out there due to this rule. A nonprofit website known as 403(b)wise.org has been working on this problem for more than two decades with only limited success. Interestingly, the site has compiled a list of vendors that are “green” (go ahead and use) and “yellow” (use caution but good investments are available if you look carefully). If you or someone you care about has a teacher 403(b), you should make sure they're using one of these vendors—preferably a green one—and help them switch if they are not.
The lists at the time I wrote this article included:
Green
- Aspire Financial Services
- CalSTRS Pension 2 (California only)
- Fidelity Investments (not American Fidelity)
- MissionSquare (formely ICMA-RC)
- T. Rowe Price
- Vanguard
- WEA Member Benefits (Wisconsin only)
Yellow
- Lincoln Investment (RetirementSolutions Participant Directed Program)
- PlanMember (Participant Choice)
- Security Benefit (DirectInvest)
Since vendors have no fiduciary duty to the participants, bad plans from bad vendors are often full of high-expense ratio mutual funds and high-fee annuities where the fees may exceed 3% per year. That will take a terrible toll over time. It also makes matching contributions less common in a 403(b) (since that would make ERISA apply). While a 403(b) plan theoretically could be cheaper to administer because they don't have to comply with all those pesky ERISA regulations, the terrible fees more than wipe out any potential advantage there.
Having set up a 401(k) plan for employees, I know the nice thing to do is for the plan/company to pay as many of the expenses as possible rather than having those come out of the employee's accounts with high fees. This allows participants (including the company owners) to get as much as possible into retirement plans and for those investments to grow as quickly as possible while paying expenses with the employer's pre-tax money. Many 403(b) vendors, plan administrators, and leadership in nonprofit institutions do not feel the same way and just pass all of the expenses (and more) on to the plan participants.
Often the secret to lowering your 403(b) fees is to NOT list an advisor for your plan. It may not be clear when you sign up that leaving that line blank is an option.
403(b)s, while similar, are not the same as 401(k)s. Sometimes it is important to understand the differences and where they came from historically.
If you need extra help with planning for retirement or have questions about the best way to save your money in tax-protected accounts, hire a WCI-vetted professional to help you figure it out.
What do you think? Did I miss any other differences between 401(k)s and 403(b)s? Would you rather have a 403(b) or a 401(k)?
Regarding #5, my wife has the trifecta (403b, 457, and 401a), and her 403b definitely has a brokerage window. We put every allowable cent there, which they cap at 95% of contributions, rather than the limited, and much higher fee options they offer in-plan.
Well, make that two. I guess I better update the post.
I’ve got a brokerage window option as well for my 403b, 457b, and 401a all with fidelity. I don’t use it because the funds available to me by default are good
If you feel the markets about to crash, collapse or go into recession dropping a significant amount would transferring your 401a & 457b into the brokerage keep it safe if done in time? Doing this but then leaving it uninvested in the guaranteed $$$ fund seems to be beneficial… I looked into purchasing gold however it would have to come on paper as an EFT/not real with cons of the other end not holding up their end of the deal when the market floods with people who want to exchange for actual physical gold….. which no EFT’s offer besides 1 in the U.S…. Golds not safe in EFT form, paper currency and market may not be safe at times or in the future collapsing for good… Gold EFT is also taxed at ridiculous rates as Capitol gains if held less than 2 years as an EFT If Im not mistaken and considered as real physical gold since its backed by it. However it’s really too good to be true and all bullshit. Dividend stocks are also taxed even if you reinvest the $$$ back into the stock. Don’t recommend either but if there is any safe haven spot for your money when the market may possibly drop. Might be into that brokerage and left uninvested…. If you agree let me know, if not explain why if you got time.
Thanks, John Hancock Jr.
Sure, if you have a clear crystal ball you can swap stocks for cash just at the right time in most accounts. The problem is few of us do. I don’t. Do you?
I’m not sure exactly what you mean by #5, but my 403B allows a self-directed method, essentially a pass through to Fidelity where I can buy individual stocks, cd’s etc. Now I don’t buy individual stocks, but I just went to test it and sure enough, I can buy NVIDIA if I want to!
Well, I guess now I’ve heard of a 403(b) with a brokerage window!
Hellyeah, buy 500 shares or as many as you can afford or feel comfortable with. Its priced great right now. $117.59 at close yesterday, $119.59 pre market. Normal trading hours 9:30-4:00pm it dropped 8% after a good earnings call…. Never made sense to me when stocks do that but people sell the good, it’ll go back up to possibly $140-150 soon/election year…. If so, sell it and wait to buy back in to get a feel for the market as I feel it wont stay that high for some reason or start taking off again like a rocket/longer than we wanna wait. Stocks seem to do weird things & struggle post split however Nvidia is doing or just did a buy back reducing shares in the market which may help us here launching it back to the moon. Hard to tell with a likely recession coming, all the chips made i. taiwan…. And the unpredictability that comes with it.
If it feels like gambling and sounds like gambling it probably is gambling. Please limit how much of your portfolio you chase individual stocks with. People loved Enron too.
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Hi, quick correction on #5. I have a 403b through my employer and I was able to set up BrokerageLink through Fidelity for self-directed investments.
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Thank you for all the information you continue to provide. I’ve taken so much away from what you discuss and it’s clear every day how important your mission is. I really appreciate it.
I only respond because of your #4 point about 401k accounts not being mandatory. My employer has a mandatory 5% contribution to its 401k. It is matched at 5% up to the Social Security Wage Base ($168,600), at which point the match doubles to 10%. This is capped at the IRS Deferred Compensation Limit.
Any deferrals above this are considered elective, allowing the full limit to be used. This is placed into our 403b. This is in addition to our 457b, which is unfortunately non-governmental.
For further information, the physicians are employees of the hospital, associated with a large academic university in the northeast.
From what I have read, I don’t believe I can reduce my elective contribution in favor of more match funds from my employer. I thought I was throwing away free money, but wanted to ask if you had contradicting information on this?
Happy to clarify or share additional details if needed.
Great post. Technical, in the weeds, and useful.
Thanks for this article. I also have the trifecta of employer-provided 401(k), 403(b), and 457(b) accounts. The investments are the same for all three, as far as I can tell, but I just noticed that the 401(k) has a brokerage window! I went looking for it after I read this article, and found it in the fine print. I will probably make use if that to get into a REIT index fund and some better bond funds than what I have available to me.
For those in 457(b) plans remember you are a general creditor of your employer and there is no roll-over option for this type of plan since it is nonqualified.
Governmental 457s can be rolled over into IRAs and other qualified plans. It’s only non governmental ones that can only be rolled over into non governmental ones.
Our 401a at work is fantastic other than limited portfolio options but it gives enough variety to gain no matter what the markets looking like or doing well in…. Ours comes with a pre tax & post tax 457b thats optional, 1 has an employer match of $2,500 the other is withdrawal-able one time per year which is penalty free/already taxed. Basically small savings account you don’t notice coming out of your paycheck. I try to max out my 457b match as quick as possible as well at the start of each year. That way the match is gaining more with compound interest if invested correctly for your rate of return vs finishing your contributions near the end of the year getting that match which is check for check moving at your pace…
Both have options to open brokerage accounts transferring money for day trading, swing trading, long term & short with 2,000 free trades annually. The plan gives an option for 5 general purpose loans at once along with 1 primary residence loan. Those can total 50% of your account value or $50,000 subtracting your most recent and largest loan of that year if applicable….
The employer contributes 14%, the employee contributes a mandatory 6% every check to the 401a. Add that with the brokerage, an optional 457b pre & post tax at a paycheck percentage amount or set amount that doesn’t move. Then add the $2,500 match… If your an overtime guy the percentage works better if you can afford to do so, if not using a set amount that stays the same is what most employees prefer.
Its an unusual plan that does not allow 60 day withdrawal for home purchase allowing you to put it back within 60 days penalty free instead its a loan or nothing which is the same if not better allowing you to put the money back after you buy your new home & sell your old picking the amount you borrow & length of loan fluctuating your monthly payment to what fits your comfort zone the best which would apply to general purpose loans. Unless you want to pay back your down payment & closing over a long period of time which makes no sense and isn’t beneficial enough adding in the fact that you pay yourself back the current interest rate…
That does help in a minor way adding a bit more to your accounts once paid back and its better than borrowing from a bank or credit union thats for damn sure. But id imagine for a loan used for down payment & closing you would pay that off in full immediately when your old house sells and it would be under general purpose. Other than that remodeling is what primary residence loans could be taken for if Im not mistaken offering longer term payment plans.
My only complaint is how the employer set it up as it is an employer discretion plan. Last year I went to withdrawal money from the 401a because I didn’t want to take a loan paying myself back + current interest rates. Anyways even if I wanted to pay the early withdrawal IRS penalty of 10% it is strictly NOT allowed until certain age or retirement eligibility unless you quit, get fired or leave for a new job or career….
I have never seen that before which I thought was at first illegal but it’s not. At 7 years you also become fully vested, quit, get fired, retire or leave for a new job all of the $$$ is yours to keep including what the employer contributed which is way more than what you put in yourself.
We also have an HSA through BPAs which helps as they took our healthcare upon retirement away for us and family. However funding everything yourself also becomes old but has to be done due to employers not offering pensions like they used too or healthcare upon retirement/the good ole days have come & gone leaving us no choice but to adapt and overcome making the best of the situation .
All in all I love the way they set ours up giving endless options. I will be starting year 8 in September. With all account values combined including Health care savings my total value $257,000… About 3.5 years ago they were around 78-95k…. Once the first $100,000 is reached and passed which is the hardest or longest to make it begins growing faster & faster with compound interest when invested in the right portfolios based on what the markets doing….
JP Morgan Large cap (JLGMX) & Fidelity K6 (FGKFX) have been our best options the last 4 years performing incredibly which I expect to come to an end soon or slow down dramatically. 1 minor complaint is limited portfolio options but they’re is still plenty to pick from in all areas small, medium, large & more in the brokerage as far as ETF’s & dividends or bonds if thats what your interested in.
The Plan through the employer is connected to Empower which has some tweaked customized rules which hasn’t been an issue. The only major complaint is not being able to withdrawal if you would like and pay an early IRS penalty…
The plan terms are also listed as plan Highlights which was a major issue with approval & underwriters purchasing our new house recently. I don’t know why, but they insisted it was listed as “Terms”… I contacted HR & Empower multiple times being told otherwise because they’re listed as “Plan Highlights” for us. No clue why that became such a hassle but it was. My only guess is, most people have 401K’s & Roth IRA’s. Not 401a’s and 457bs unless they’re under a government non profit employer….
Overall I love the way our retirement is setup with endless options since we could not get our pension back. This has to be the next best thing contributing around 23-25% total per check. The mandatory minimum used to be employee 3% employer 11% which was raised in the new union contract. These accounts also allow me to subtract the annual amount invested from myself and including the employer as a tax deduction from the annual amount made on my W2 which has put me back into a better tax bracket a couple times when filing taxes.
You cant beat this if you don’t have a pension which a majority of the population doesn’t. I don’t know of anyone personally or any other employer contributing this much per month or offering this many options to hopefully retire without working forever here in the local area or the State of MIchigan anywhere ….
I have had 401k’s and Roth IRA’s in the past and I must say, I like the 401a & 457b better which has a lot to do with how it’s setup and how its offered to us. Not many people are this fortunate with this many options or opportunity which I am thankful for. Only complaint which is probably a good thing in the long run. If I want to withdrawal $$$ paying the early penalty its strictly not allowed unless you quit, find a new job or get fired IF your fully vested…. Nothing ever goes exactly as planned and another recession or depression will repeat in our endless economy cycle until our currency is so inflated it’s worthless. Hopefully this isn’t all for nothing,
Anyways, take care now.
Jake 🫡
401a after tax, DC457b pre tax, 457b after tax Roth + a match of $2,500. A match on the 401a pre tax. A brokerage option to open with ability to transfer from either account + an HSA…. The 401a & 457b can both be maxed out if you wanted as an extra benefit.
401a
Voluntary after tax
Up to 100% of eligible pay.
Maximum combined (pretax
and Roth) contribution limits:
$22,500 (under age 50) and
$30,000 (age 50 or older)
Employee & employer contributions combined max $69,000 or 100% of compensation whichever is less.
457b Pretax and
After-tax (Roth) options
Contribution limits
Voluntary after-tax
contributions of up
to 10% of your pay
Up to 100% of eligible pay
Voluntary after-tax
contributions of up
to 10% of your pay
$2,500 match.
You may contribute up to an additional 10% of your wages out of your paycheck on an after-tax basis to this account. Mandatory 14% employer contribution to the 401a, 6% employee.
Interesting set up. Glad you’re happy with it.
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About Discuss Latest WCI Blog Post: When 403(b)s Are Not Just Like 401(k)s
“If you have multiple 403(b)s at multiple employers, they all share the same 415(c) limit.”
The above statement was probably based on legacy imprecise language in IRS Publication 571 that was corrected several years ago. With the exception to aggregate all 403b plans with employer retirement plans of businesses > 50% owned by a 403b participant.
Reference IRS Publication 571
(Rev. January 2015), Chapter 3, Limit on Annual Additions
“More than one 403(b) account.
If you contributed to more than one 403(b) account, you must combine the contributions made to all 403(b) accounts”
Reference IRS Publication 571
(Rev. January 2016+), Chapter 3, Limit on Annual Additions
“More than one 403(b) account.
If you contributed to more than one 403(b) “account”, you must combine the contributions made to all 403(b) “accounts” maintained by your employer. If you participate in more than one 403(b) “plan” maintained by different employers, you don’t need to combine amounts for annual addition limits.”
I’m also one of the fortunate that has a brokerage account with my 403b. I can throw it all in there. Not only that, but we also have a mega backdoor Roth option I use so I get the full 69k. My employer only puts around 11k of that 69k in there. So if I wanted I could do 58k in Roth. They put most of their contribution to me through a cash balance plan.