Each of the last three years I have done a post about taxes where I “revealed” the tax rate I'm paying. I'm not sure why people find that so interesting (voyeuristic maybe), but I've had a bunch of requests to do something similar this year. The last four years my tax bill has increased dramatically. I only paid 8% in federal income taxes in 2011, and I thought that was a lot since I had always paid much less prior to that. Anyway, prior posts can be found here if you're interested:
- 2011 – Doctor's Don't Pay 50% of Their Income in Taxes
- 2012 – 10 Reasons Why I Pay Less Tax Than Mitt Romney
- 2013 – 2013 Tax Report and the New Obamacare Taxes
I used Turbotax again this year. They've dramatically increased their prices, so I don't blame anyone for switching to someone else. I managed to find a deal for 50% off, so it still wasn't bad. But the biggest cost for doing my taxes is my time, not a few bucks for Turbotax. I spent about 8 hours this year, so I had to ask myself, would I have been better off working another shift and paying someone else to do this than to do it myself? Probably not, since I think I would have been charged a couple thousand by an accountant to do my taxes (personal and business, nearly a dozen schedules, dozens of 1099s to enter and send out, rental property, two K-1s, investments etc.) I don't make a couple thousand, at least after-tax, for any shift. Plus, it's not like I wouldn't have had to spend some of that time anyway gathering together the papers, driving to the accountant to drop them off and then returning to sign and pick up the forms, and making sure the accountant didn't screw up the 8606. Plus, I wouldn't have learned all the little things I learned this year that I'm going to share in this post. To me, that's the most valuable aspect of doing your own taxes-you learn the best way to live your life and keep your records for next year.
The Tax Report
All right, you voyeurs don't have to read down any further than this paragraph. If I consider all of my income (without subtracting WCI and clinical business expenses like malpractice insurance), then my total tax bill is 22.6%- 14.4% federal, 4.9% payroll, and 3.2% state. However, the better way to do this is probably to subtract those expenses out first. Then my tax bill is 23.9%- 15.3% federal, 5.2% payroll, and 3.4% state. That percentage is quite a bit higher than the 15.5% I paid in 2011, and the total amount of taxes is dramatically higher, probably 3 times as much. Our marginal tax rate was 33% federals plus 3.3% payroll plus 5% state for a total of 41.3%. Not terrible considering an income 2-3 times the average physician income.
To make matters worse, I underpaid quite a bit this year (don't worry, the penalty is only $32 thanks to the safe harbor rules- I should made a little bigger estimated payment for the second quarter and could have avoided that) and so get to write some monstrous tax checks in April, the same month I pick up that new boat. I'll have to pay the federal underpayment for 2014, the federal first quarter estimated for 2015, and the entire 2014 state tax bill (Utah doesn't make you do quarterly estimated payments.) It's going to be very close whether I pay more in taxes that month or more for the boat, but when you combine the two, my net worth will drop by 10%! Ouch! I've never had so much cash sitting around in my life, but you can't really invest money you need in a couple of months.
The Big Factors
So what did we do to lower our tax bill this year? Well, the biggest factor was far and away contributions to tax-deferred retirement accounts (partnership 401(k)/PSP, partnership Cash Balance/DBP, WCI Individual 401(k)) and my HSA. That was 24% of my income. When you combine that with a small taxable investment, our backdoor Roths, and 529 contributions, we put away 29.9% of our income for retirement and college. (So yes, we're still pretty sure we can afford the boat.) Health insurance premiums, mortgage interest, property taxes, and last year's state income taxes were all deductible, of course, but the really big factor in our deductions was our charitable contributions. We kept really careful driving records this year and discovered we drove nearly 5000 miles for charity between Boy Scouts, the soccer organization, the PTA, and the church. It helped that a lot of my Boy Scout training takes place on the other side of the state. All together, our charitable donations were 7.3% of our gross income, a massive deduction that is an order of magnitude larger than our mortgage interest deduction. It also helped that since my wife had no income, she paid no payroll taxes. I still don't owe any AMT. If this year didn't get me, I probably never will pay it since most of my deductions can be used under both systems.
New Experiences
I had a few new experiences this time around. I had to prepare a 1096 and a couple of 1099s for WCI. Super simple in Turbotax. I also finally got the rest of the energy-efficient home improvement tax credit for those fancy doors and windows we put in. That's 10% of the cost of materials up to a lifetime total of $500, with a maximum of $200 for windows (good thing we did a door too.) For the first year I got phased out of our exemptions, not completely, but it was close. The kids are no longer a significant tax break. I also lost a few thousand to the itemized deduction phaseout. Given those phaseouts, my marginal tax rate is actually a little higher than it otherwise would be, at 41.8%. This is actually really easy to see with Turbotax. When you're all done, just add $1000 to income and see how much your tax bill increases. Mine increases $418. (Don't forget to go back and take that $1000 out.) The other little tip worth knowing, and this isn't the first year I've had to do this, is that if you have more than one 401(k), you may have to go into Turbotax forms mode (only available on the downloadable/CD version) and manually override form 1040 line 28. You're also on your own for calculating your maximum contribution to that second one. Just remember that it's 20% of your income from that business net of the (deductible) employer half of your payroll taxes. I didn't quite get to max out the WCI Individual 401(k), but it was darn close this year.
Well, how did you do? Did you do your own taxes? If not, how much did you pay someone else to do them? What percentage of your income did you pay in combined federal, payroll, and state taxes? What was your marginal tax rate? What did you learn about taxes this year? Comment below!



Here is our Breakdown (Number’s have been slightly rounded for ease of posting)
If anyone can offer advise on how to get the tax bill down that would be great!
2 Income Family
Total income(AGI + 401k’s+Company Contributions): 535
AGI: 465
Taxable Income: 414
TT: 120 (Fed, AMT, Plus 8959/8960 addl tax)
Payroll: 14500 (SS)
Medicare: 7K (Not the addl 8959)
State: 25K
Total Tax: 166.5
%’s (against AGI/TI)
Fed: 25.8 / 22.42
State: 5.3 / 4.67
Payroll: 4.6 / 4
Total Tax %: 35.7 / 31.09
Painful!
The big thing I see is that your taxable income is a pretty high percentage of your total income. You’ve only managed a $121K. I’m in your neighborhood income wise but managed a $226K difference. Part of it is you’re both working- so more payroll taxes for you guys. Part of it is that I probably have some more deductions (interest, charity, taxes etc) but the main difference is that I had $140k I put into tax-deferred or HSA accounts. Have you explored every possible option for you in terms of retirement/HSA accounts? Maybe you could get down from 31% to something closer to 25% if you did.
Yeah – I have to go back and check but I believe that because of the AMT we lost a lot of the deductions..ie, we pay ~12K in property taxes and don’t get to deduct any of it (or the 25K in state!)
We max out two Employee 401k (17.5 each last year) and have 34K in Employer contributions. I failed to include the 6.5K we put into the HSA account, but other then that how did you get to 140k in tax-deffered? – I will have to do some research because being able to expand the tax-deffered space would be very beneficial.
You are correct that we didn’t give much to charity last year – less then a few k.
I have a separate 401(k) for my separate and unrelated business. And a defined benefit plan.
I am pretty much in the same boat too. I pay all these taxes. Cant find a way to reduce it. WCI is able to reduce it as he has a personal 401k for this website. Until we find income coming from another place I feel this is what it will be. I guess we should be happy we pay so much taxes. Personally even though I would love it, I dont want a second job like WCI, rather spend some time with kids.
For sure. Sometimes we get too fixated on the taxes too. Remember the goal isn’t to pay the least in taxes. The goal is to have the most after-tax while living the life you wish to live. You probably don’t want to give all your money away to charity, marry someone you don’t like, have 12 kids, and work half as much just to lower your taxes. But no sense in doing stupid stuff like missing out on your 401(k) match or not claiming deductions you legitimately deserve.
What was your “effective tax rate” on the summary first page on turbotax when you finish filing? Mine was 27%, the highest I have ever had. Income was over 400K combined this year so think I lost a bunch of deductions through phase outs. Also I found out NJ counts contributions to 403b/457 as income. (took me a while to figure out why my income was higher for state than federal). Plus both of us are employed so limited business deductions. We used the technique of filing our W2 designation as single even though when we filed the return as married filing jointly with the hope that it would take out enough extra for high income. Still had to pay several thousand on federal but got a 1000 return from state. First year I had to pay federal. ๐
You mean first year you had to write a check in April. That’s a win, by the way. Getting back your withheld taxes is just loaning the government money.
If I rolled my Roth IRA from Vanguard over to Betterment within the specified timeframe (to avoid being taxed/penalized) in 2014, do I have to indicate anywhere on my taxes that it occurred (despite there being no taxable event)?
Or is the IRS made savvy to it by Vanguard sending them a 1099-R showing an early distribution and Betterment showing the same amount being invested with them within the specified timeframe?
I guess my question boils down to: how is the IRS made aware that the transition took place legally without incurring taxes/penalties if there is nowhere that I state that on tax forms?
Just do a direct transfer instead of a rollover and quit worrying about it. Then there is no “distribution.”
For whatever reason when I was going through the process (and didn’t know any better) Betterment recommended an indirect rollover, which is what I did. It already happened last year so that’s why I’m worrying about it.
Yes, you must report the amount on the 1099-R, box 1 on your 1040, line 15a. However, because you completed the rollover, the amount on your 1040, line 15b is zero. If you are doing this by hand, you then write the word ROLLOVER to left of the space for 15b. If you are using software and input the 1099-R information, you should be asked if the any of the amount was rolled over. Answering the questions correctly will result in the same outcome on the 1040 as described above.
Thank you, Katie. Very helpful and correct information!
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I have always wondered what kind of tax planning allowed Jim to end up with 22.6% total tax on ~ $400k salary, and I think the difference between him and a lot of other physicians is summarized in his “Being done saving” post where he claims following tax sheltered accounts/deductions:
– 401K/Profit-sharing plan: $52K
– Defined Benefit/Cash Balance plan: $30K
– Backdoor Roth IRAs: $11K
– HSA: $6,450
– Individual 401(k) for The White Coat Investor: ~$40,000 (might be optimistic but book sales are going well)
– 529s: $11,160 (thatโs just the tax deductible amount in my state for the three kids)
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Total: $150,610
Most physicians (unless they’re particularily enterpreunerial, having websites, writing books) don’t have the
– 529s that are deductible from their state tax (most 529s are QUITE sub-optimal – Utah happens to have one of the best ones – I actually participate)
– Individual 401k ~ $40k
– Defined Benefit/Cash Balance plan: $30K
So the Individual 401k + Cashbalance plan is around $70,000 which is more than most physcians Are EVEN able to contribute to their 401k’s. An AMT tax on $70k, is close to 30% of about $33k.
That is quite a tax relief that someone with a lot of side enterprises (blog/books) can utilize. All perfectly allowed, but not everyone is this motivated/talented (kudos, Jim btw).
the 22.5% Tax rate, goes up quickly to 30% rate with the additional $33k paid to tax.
Solo 401k and the Cash Balance plan are great deals, if one can get them.
It also helps that I have a lot more deductions than most docs- charity etc. But yeah, the big bang for your buck in lowering your taxes is retirement accounts. No doubt about it.
It also helps that a lot of your charity is miles rather than actual cash.
It seems that about 10% of his income goes to cash donation charities. The mileage is a smaller amount since it’s only valued at 14 cents a mile.
I think his biggest thing is the second job. Being able to get above the 52k limits is impressive.
I followed your whole series on Quantia MD and got your book so fortunately I have found the site, but am new to managing my taxes well. We are a two income family with an income of 208K; however, we have completed our taxes are are at a 25% tax rate for federal. This is extremely painful as for the first times in our lives we have MUCH more money than ever, but are paying a huge tax bill! We give away 10% of our income, deduct mortgage interest, the child tax credit is now a joke for us. Where I think we went horribly wrong though is not fully funding our 401K. We only put in 12K, honestly simply out of not paying attention (I know unforgivable…). Anyway, I’m looking to try to offset our present rate…529 seems to be out, backdoor Roth does nothing for us, so I’m wondering a few options:
1. Can I fund either my husband’s Roth 401k up to the max now for 2014 or am I out of luck for 2014 taxes?
2. Could I open a 401k with my office somehow funded with 2014 monies to lower the tax bill?
3. Even if I can fund 401K’s for 2014 in 2015, can it actually lower the 8K tax bill I am attempting to offset?
We have always used Turbo Tax and should have expected this in light of our increase in income…but we were playing naive and now are paying…literally. We are actually thinking of having our taxes done from this point forward to attempt to save money. If that is possible. Thanks for any help!
1) Remember a Roth 401(k) contribution won’t lower your 2014 taxes. Check with HR to see if you can do a traditional 401(k) contribution though. That would lower your taxes. Generally, employee contributions are supposed to be in by year end but there’s some fudge room there.
2) Not for 2014. 401(k)s need to be opened by the calendar year end.
3) Sure. The more you put into a tax-deferred account, the less you have to pay on.
There are lots of people on this site who would love to be in the 25% bracket by the way, so don’t count yourself too unfortunate. The checks I’m writing this week for my 2014 federal underpayment, 2015 first quarter estimated, and 2014 state taxes are an order of magnitude larger than what you’re trying to avoid. A first world problem, I know, but those taxes don’t get any better as you become more successful.
I need some help to reduce my taxes (I guess this is a good problem to have!)
AGI: 520K
Taxable Income: 464K
Total Tax: 136K
SS/Med 18K (2 wage earners)
State: 27K
Total Tax 181K!!!
We each contrib max to 401K, one of us recevies 2K in employer matching contrib, the other 30K
We do 2 backdoor roths (this doesn’t save any taxes)
Any ideas on lowering our tax burden while still earning the same amount of $$$?
Have you seen this post?
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/10-reasons-why-i-pay-less-tax-than-mitt-romney/
Remember there are very few “magic tax deductions” (i.e. a tax deduction you just don’t know about but already qualify for) available and they’re generally not very large. As a general rule, if you want to save more money in taxes, you have to live your financial life differently. i.e. you have to own a business, take out a big mortgage, move to a new state, save more money, have more kids, give more to charity etc. If you don’t want to do those things anyway, you don’t want to do them just for a tax break.
Yeah – we max out 401K, have a house with a mortgage that is already way bigger then I want (close to 700k)… have a few rental properties that keep us busy and have some wonderful children. We don’t give much to charity – one day we will, but for now we are trying to accumulate so we can get away from have 2 full time workers …just seems harsh to see that we pay such a high rate of income in taxes. We really shouldn’t complain, but if it wasn’t for the tax rate we could prob retire much earlier then we will be able to!
I transferred my roth IRA from merrill edge to Vanguard last year which should be a non taxable event. It was a direct transfer ( i never saw the money).
Do i have to file anything while doing my taxes?
I did not get any 1099-R in the mail. I called merrill and they did not think a 1099-R or other document needs to be sent by them (but the guy did not seem that knowledgable)
Is this something for me to worry about?
How is the IRS informed that the roth account was moved from merrill to vanguard?
Thanks
No.
No.
I dunno. Who cares? You didn’t do anything wrong so I would let that be the IRS and Merrill and Vanguard’s problem.
By simply dividing 22 by 63 (for 2015), mine is 11.3%.
I maxed out a 403b, on a resident salary, but had quite a bit of interest income and sold a rental property for which the capital gains were excluded but had to recapture a lot of depreciation (the interest and recapture would add up to 50% of my reported w-2 wages).
Does that seem reasonable?
22 divided by 63 is something like 33%, no?