Here at WCI we're in the early stages of a site redesign. I've gotten lots of great suggestions over the years, some of which were easily implemented and some of which weren't. This is your chance to really make a difference in your experience and that of new arrivals at the site. Everything design-related is fair game.
In your comments, consider the following issues:
- What do you like/dislike about the layout?
- Readability issues?
- Organizational issues?
- We're also very seriously considering adding a forum- your thoughts on that? Would you use it? What categories would you like to see there? How tight of a moderation policy? Want to be a moderator?
Colors?
- Ad size and placement (and no, ads aren't going away, this is still a for-profit site, remember?)
- Think back to the first time you ever came here. What was right and wrong with that experience?
WCI Classics
I would also like to add a category of “WCI Classics” posts to show off the best/most useful stuff here. What posts do you see as the “classic” or “best of the blog” posts?
Comment below!
1. Current blog posts are easy to access. The archived one is more difficult. Please redesign the archive page so that they can be seen better. I like that all the material is here…just need to find it. You have made the top drop-down menu bar much better. Layout: I wish that left column was more helpful…I understand the ads but maybe more polls or something “fresh” with links to your stuff. It is 1/4 of the screen. **The CAPTCHA Code is the absolute worst part of the site. It fails a lot.
2. The brown has got to go. It is better than the original but it is so drab. Match your “Iceman” logo with some blue. Color is needed.
3. I like most of the guest posts but they do interfere with the flow and organization. Sometimes your own posts seem to come out of left-field and I don’t know what I am reading about. Maybe have a category header in your posts so that it can be linked to similar (simpler or more advanced) concepts.
4. I like the forum idea. However, one of the greatest things about this site is that you respond to everything. Not sure if you would be as committed to that in a forum with a bunch of off-topic comments. I do think the forum would be useful; this is the best financial advice for doctors on the internet. Categories: Life Stories/ Living the Good life , Investing, Insurance, Vacation Planning: France vs Belize, Retirement, Charitable Giving, and one for Students. I want it to be tightly censored for profanity and abuse. I would like to be a moderator.
5. Less brown. More of your signature blue. Some black and even red. Less drab brown; finances are boring enough.
6. Ad size is not a problem. The placement in e-mails is very annoying…right in the middle of sentences and paragraphs?! The left column on the posts could be edited to be more appealing/useful.
7. Great question! I remember it well. I saw the latest blog post and was immediately lost. I saw the “Search this Site using Google!” and was looking for student loan repayment vs investing info. Eventually, I found the holy grail: First-Timers! That link put it all in motion. Really, that link should be a different color or more prominently displayed. It is gold.
Classics:
1. Dumb Doctor mistakes
2. Dr. Mom guest post/success story
3. 8606 Scanned Roth- Backdoor (when I KNEW this was the site I needed to frequent)
4. Life Insurance (NOT sarcasm…the one about term4sale and Joe Capone helping)
5. Mrs. WCI sits down and lets us know the truth.
6. Trinity study/ 4% Retirement rate thing (still blows my mind)
7. PSLF & PAYE explained (just please no Sofi/DRB private loan selling pitches)
4. I had 120 comments today. At that rate of growth I won’t be able to read them all, much less respond to them all much longer.
Thanks for the feedback.
Forum: YES. Topics like Joseph mentioned are good, but freedom to include civil off-topic discussions as well. Bogleheads is way too restrictive which makes it a little boring at times.
The brown doesn’t bother me, but if you do change colors, readability is important. If the background colors make the text too hard to see it is a negative.
Hey,
I’ve been lurking around a year now. So first, thanks for all the incredible info!
This site led me to bogleheads (the wiki, not the forum), and a variety of books that I really needed. The information I found here will likely save my spouse/myself several thousand dollars in the near term, and much more long-term. Thank you!
As far as the site:
1.) The top-bar is useful at first, because it essentially functions as a FAQ. I would suggest that it might be more useful to have an actual FAQ with all those questions answered.
2.) If you have a FAQ, then you could use the top bar as a “crash-course” for the basics of finance. A logical order (why docs need to save, why save in retirement accounts, why use low-fee accounts, basic tax info, etc.) would help with such a crash course.
3.) Unlike the other poster, I like brown :/ , and fear change. But I don’t think I’ve ever been accused of being design-sensitive. I’d understand if you change to blue, but it reminds me of SDN.
4. On the forum idea: I wouldn’t do it. It will distract from the useful, generally valid information that’s posted here. I have yet to find a forum that is filled with consistently polite and productive conversation.
5. Guest posts are pretty good, but I like the idea of a seperate column for guest posts. So all of your posts are in one area/column, the guest posts are in another. You could also have paid posts/advertisements in another area, with a disclaimer.
*Edit.
It occurred to me that I wasn’t very clear in the previous post. The top bar already functions as a crash-course, but is somewhat limited. There are only around 10-15 topics. I meant it would be nice to have each of them expand more: you have many posts related to each topic, linking to them would be nice.
I guess I just think that more information (each one of ten topics has another ten related links) could be linked to in each of those posts, and it could all be organized in each tab.
Example:
1. )You need an investing plan
Summary of main article
Further reading
i. Budgeting (link to bogleheads or post)
ii. approaches to a purchase
iii. etc.
article
Ex2)
Saving for retirement
Summary of basic info
i. Safe withdrawal rate and savings rate
ii. retirement accounts: 401k, IRA, roth IRA, backdoor roth
iii. Doubling time, etc.
iv. ….
Actual article
You know there are no paid posts at all, right?
I think a forum would be a good addition. The Backdoor Roth & Whole Life threads would go for days…
1. I like the simple layout, but the brown background really needs to go, to echo a point above.
2. The Archives (“medical-records-3”) page is very difficult to use on mobile and isn’t very useful. What would be useful, on the other hand, would be “next post” and “previous post” links at the bottom and top of each post so that truly dedicated readers could easily walk through the post archive from oldest to newest. See Mr. MM’s site.
3. I think a forum would be useful. It needs enough moderation and obstacles to robo-signups so as to not become a wasteland filled with spam posts, but I feel that the Bogleheads moderation policy is much too strict (e.g., posting a link to your site on a relevant topic almost got me banned). I would consider being a moderator–I have lots of time logged in vBulletin forums in the past, and currently moderate an Electric Vehicles group on Google+, of all things.
4. Ad size and placement are fine.
5. Thinking back to the first time I visited, I found the posts on the front page easy to access by definition, but the layout and organization of the Archives page was and remains frustrating. I tried to read every post but was stymied, so occasionally will come across a relevant older post of yours only by chance, when you link to it in the comments or body of a newer post.
I think a forum would be interesting. You would have to have some pretty hardcore moderation I would think. Can you imagine the gaggle of WL salesmen and financial sharks that would love to advertise and try and get clients? Plus all the trolls that would come out of the woodwork on any controversial posts, like ‘top reasons it sucks to have a high income’
I think the forum idea is great, will get a lot of people posting and hopefully those who have read many of your posts can reference them in replies. Section could be Student Loans, Real Estate, Retirement Options, Investing
I love the posts as they are now, the guest posts are great and I haven’t had any issue discerning your comments from the guest’s comments.
I’m amazed you are posting as much as you are, must be a lot of work but some presence in the forum would be good. Moderators are great to have but an occasional answer by WCI would make it feel more legit.
Ads on the site are great because they are all really useful ads. So far I haven’t gotten advertisement about pressure cookers and online furniture stores. I don’t have any issues with them.
The first time I came to the site it was hard navigating through pages. The layout could use a designer’s touch, don’t think it would be anything major. Some search comes up with PDF instead of web text, it would be nice to get rid of that.
Otherwise, love this site!! 🙂
I have been hooked on to this website for 4-5 months now, however this is my first post.
I am a fellow, used to avoid thinking about finances, got married and had a baby 6 months. Wanted a life insurance, had no clue where and what to get, stumbled on this site, never looked back.
1. What do you like/dislike about the layout?
1. Hate the brown color, would love to see a dark blue print on white background, l love the “Related posts” area. It could be expanded so that its easier to find similar articles.
2.Readability issues?
2. Hate the color, font size could be increased by one. Eyes feel strained after sometime. IMO, font size should be changed to “Arial size 12”.
3.Organizational issues?
3.Good organization, i use the search button a lot to find related posts.
4.We’re also very seriously considering adding a forum- your thoughts on that? Would you use it? What categories would you like to see there? How tight of a moderation policy? Want to be a moderator?
Colors?
4.Would love a forum, i would use it. Categories could be so many- insurance, investment, retirement etc. to name the big ones. New ones could be made with time.
5.Ad size and placement (and no, ads aren’t going away, this is still a for-profit site, remember?)
5.They dont bother me.
6.Think back to the first time you ever came here. What was right and wrong with that experience?
6. I came to know more about life insurance, i loved how you hammered the point “not to buy anything except cheap level term”. Devil is in detail in finances and your posts and comments are very detailed. i found the comments sections very useful where a lot of commentators try to tease out every small detail and the discussions really help understand the post.
Dont mind the color (brown), but an expanded – start here section would be great.
The best of the blog would be an awesome feature.
Like the idea of a forum…
1. Lose the brown, use blues instead like your logo.
2. Forums can be hit/miss or take a lot of work. Not a fan of heavy moderation outside of sales and personal attacks. Topics for all kinds of investing would be interesting to see/discuss what others are doing.
3. Comments section-chance for huge upside here, its so hard to follow/know any convo you may like to be engaged in due to the structure. Idk if everyone hates disqus or not, but it works well for that purpose. Especially given that there can be quite a great many good comments but as things get more popular it becomes harder to follow them since you basically have to mine for it.
I should have done this post a long time ago. Who knew so many people hate brown?
The comments section has the ability to reply to a given comment, or have all new comments go at the bottom. I changed it a while back to the former because I thought it was better. but maybe I was wrong and should have left it.
Code Brown! All kidding aside, love the website and look forward to see how it evolves.
I’m never going to be able to look at my site the same.
1. Lose the brown, match the entire page with the blue logo color flow.
2. Once you get past the Left Bar ads, the actual article/comments takes up ~50% of the page. This needs to be re-worked and expanded to the entire page.
3. New navigation bar on top as other have mentioned:
Home – main page
About – section to talk about the site, your book and yourself
For First Timers – ie. “new to the site..start here..” – broken down in topics
The Best of the Best –
Archives – all the older articles broken down into topics
Guest posts – like archives but for guests
FAQ
Top right of the page can have a search function / contact info / book link
Bottom left main page – “Follow Us” section, links to Facebook, SDN, LinkedIn, Newsletter ect
4. Forum – yes. allows off topic discussions. regular readers/visitors can add their opinions/thoughts. Also allows people with more current knowledge about a topic to answer a questions (i’m a resident, can answer questions about PLSF process, loans, ect). Would be a moderator if needed.
5. Link the comments section to the forum?? another way to keep everything in one place.
That’s all for now.
Great comments so far everybody. Don’t forget with your design suggestions that it is going to remain a for-profit site-i.e. I still need space in the design for ads. Current ratio of widget (sidebar with the ads) to content is about 1:2.5.
Funny, I don’t even notice the ads (don’t tell your sponsors!). I do like the section with recommendations, though.
I don’t know about a forum, but would love the comments section to act more like a forum. As it stands if a blog post has several comments, and one person responds to a comment in the middle, it is likely that comment will be missed. Unless every time you visit that post you go back and re-read all the previous comments. I hope that makes sense.
I also hate that I can’t edit my comments once I post. I constantly make spelling errors that I can’t fix.
Those are my only two dislikes about this site. otherwise everything else is functional and great.
I agree. Modern forum software like XenForo or vBulletin that has notifications for replies to one’s posts makes following conversations much easier. Even lacking that, the style of forum -> thread -> bump to top on reply makes it easier to follow than a more or less linear structure like the current posts’ comment sections.
A kludge would be to have email notifications for followup replies to one’s comment (rather than to the whole post) but I’ve been on sites where that implementation has been horribly broken.
It’s a lot easier to work that stuff out on a forum than a comments section. Who knew the problems that would come from having too many comments? I don’t think I’ll ever be able to have the comments section work as slickly as a forum can. Guess that will be the point of the forum. It would be nice if I could somehow meld the two…I’ll talk to the developer about that.
I agree captcha is terricle(this is my third time writing this comment because of failures. Also, it would be nice if I could edit my own comments (mistakes, not clearly explained, etc). Finally, I must be way too long winded because by the time I’m half way through my comments, I can’t scroll to the bottom of what I am writing–very difficult to proof read before submitting–thus see my previous comment).
The Capcha issue has no good solution. I wrote a post about that some time back:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/comment-spam-and-other-website-headaches/
Believe it or not, the captcha is the best solution I’ve found so far.
I would like an archive. If it would be possible for the reader him/herself to sort it by date only, by some type of topic, or by popularity (number of replies could be a way to judge). This way someone could read every post start to finish. Or if someone is researching annuities (or term life, or whatever), then they could read that topic only. Or if someone was bored and wanted to read a popular post.
The brown background could be lighter in shade/saturation, may make it easier to read (or whatever color you switch to). Brown is not the greatest color choice, but I read for content, not looks. For me it’s more of a darker shade rather than color, what I don’t like about it.
I guess the archive we’ve had for years isn’t easy enough to see:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/medical-records-3/
Seriously though, the fact that you couldn’t find it speaks volumes.
Speaks volumes about the site layout, not your ability to navigate it. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
An update to Archive navigation would be a huge plus.
wow, there is an archive page. i think i found the “first-timers” link pretty easily few months ago, but somehow never noticed the “archive” link. procrastination galore!
If you haven’t, you should consider looking into Google’s solution: https://www.google.com/recaptcha/intro/index.html
I’ll look into it.
One of the greatest financial blog magnets is the allure of being able to follow along the host’s financial stats, savings rates, net worth, milestones, etc. This has promoted big followings for not only data geeks but also the wide swath of the curious across the financial blogsphere. There is a void of such a systematic compilation of longitudinal stats for the high net worth and more sophisticated audience that characterizes the White Coat Investor following. I think a section devoted to benchmarks would add value for current readers without losing the site mission, bridging the rules of thumb with more detailed analyses and commentary.
The White Coat Investor book has helped start to attract a wider audience without losing its focus on the more educated financial buff white coat readership that make up the heart of higher volume readership. Adding a page with updated stats and benchmarks of annual financial milestones and stat can help build some real momentum here filling a value-added void in the financial blogsphere for this unique niche.
Its actually all there already, but brining it into one page is bound to bring in a lot of attention. Just remember how many hits the thread on White Coat Investor’s budget (before this site was created) brought in alone!
You’re right that people are very interested in that stuff. It might be an interesting post to compile it further.
There’s a running blog post out there comparing blogger net worths. I’m near the top, but certainly not at the top. It is a bit ridiculous how low some of the net worths on the list are though. I guess it seems silly to offer yourself up as an expert on “how to get rich” when you have a four figure net worth. Here’s that post:
http://rockstarfinance.com/blogger-net-worths/
I think we should also all be allowed to post our net worth, and specialty. More or less depending on how comfortable we are sharing this information online. I would love to be able to see how I am doing compared to my peers.
Compared to your peers who read WCI, or your peers who do not? You know that would be dramatically different, right? It’s like the income poll I ran on Bogleheads recently. I might be a 1% in the US, but not on the Bogleheads board.
Could you post the link to that thread, please?
https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=163384
thats fine with me. I already know I am doing better than most other physicians. I want to see how I’m doing compared with those in the physician investment club.
The other thing that makes this very hard to do is some docs make $125K while other make $1.25M. They’re not really in the same economic realm.
For the curious, I was referring to this thread on Studentdoctor.net
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/an-emergency-docs-budget.817037/
People love stats, especially us “white coats,” since it can seldom come up in conversation. A page devoted to following this over time not only will provide a unique enhancement nobody is doing here, but will also help send the right message, taking stigma behind the importance of financial planning as a part of a healthy balanced life.
Great thread! Thanks for sharing.
I have one more suggestion because I do love statistics: more polls. Can you make them more frequently? -or- How about the same questions rotating every year showing how the answers changed each year? (ie: April 15th, Did you contribute to a Backdoor Roth this year? with the different answers possible and showing past years’ trends)
too many ads!
For me the content of this site is what makes it so appealing not the design or presentation. Any upgrades to the esthetics will just be a bonus but not critical to my enjoyment of the site.
I use the blog like a textbook, a reference guide to study and understand the world of personal finance as it relates to medical professionals. Therefore I am in favor of creating “chapters” of related material. I would love to be able to easily access all posts on a given topic; disability, life insurance, Roth vs Traditional, real estate, etc. What drew me in as a new reader was the “First Timers” section. This same idea could be flushed out and developed even further. The more comprehensivly you organize your incredible content the more useful it will be to people like me.
I am in favor of the forum. I love MMM but he posts infrequently so the forum gives me somewhere to go everyday and ulimately drives more of my traffic there because I know I will find something new everyday. Moderating is important in my opinion as I don’t want to read ongoing arguements or harsh/petty banter between angry people nor do I want to be solicited. As a dentist I crave more dental specific content and maybe the forum would help satiate my dental appetite.
This site is awesome. Any improvements will just be gravy on top of the delicous meat you already offer.
Overall I don’t have many suggestions — I think the site works quite well. My only issue is with the menu bar at the top. It is incredibly useful, especially for new commers, but it is not prominent enough and gets lost between the header and the most recent article. I didn’t even realize it was there until you pointed it out to me. The first-time visitor link needs to be especially prominent. I’d place it big and bold at the top of the left column.
I only have a couple things I would add.
First, mobile friendly. Sometimes the add gets in the way of the content so the add takes the whole page, except for a sliver of a column big enough for half a word, so I have to guess what the words are for a couple pages on my phone.
Second, the archives. I read them all, but my wife lost interest because she would try to read them on her phone and get lost where she was etc. It is difficult to go through.
And colors, I LOVE BROWN! J/K, don’t have a preference at all.
Keep up the great work! Not your fault at all, but, like most blogs, the comments section can get out of hand sometimes. Maybe a friendly reminder like this may help:
“Please use the comments to demonstrate your own ignorance, unfamiliarity with empirical data and lack of respect for scientific knowledge. Be sure to create straw men and argue against things I have neither said nor implied. If you could repeat previously discredited memes or steer the conversation into irrelevant, off topic discussions, it would be appreciated. Lastly, kindly forgo all civility in your discourse . . . you are, after all, anonymous.”
Like others, I just want to thank you for providing so many useful resources.
I would like to see 3 changes:
1. I would like to see a sign up for a email of the latest blog instead of having to come to the website to read it–this tends to be an issue if I’m trying to kill time and can’t get to the website, but my email has the blog post in it. Mr Money Mustache’s website does this, and I thoroughly enjoy it.
2. I would like your polls to be locked or something like it-meaning I can vote several times in the polls and think the numbers are skewed because of this.
3-Less ads, I know they provide you income…I Just think they are annoying and don’t ever click on them and think over the past two years have become increasingly abundant.
Thanks!
1. http://feeds.feedburner.com/TheWhiteCoatInvestor It bums me out that you didn’t know about this. Not your fault, mine.
2. That’s tricky. It all relies on cookies and some people don’t like cookies. A forum poll solves that issue.
3. It turns out regular readers don’t click on ads- it’s mostly people who come in off the search engines. I’ve looked in to some methods whereby regular readers literally don’t see them. The ads also serve the function of connecting readers with “the good guys” in personal finance and investing, which is important. You wouldn’t believe how many recommendations I am asked for on a daily basis. But there is definitely a balance to be found there and it wouldn’t be surprised me if I’ve gone too far with the ads. It’s always an option to have fewer, and just charge more for them. But you understand the temptation….
This is a for profit web site and ads are required and actually are beneficial. Your mark of approval is enough for many people to utilize that service. To be honest, a friend needed insurance his first insurance salesman tried to sell him whole life. Luckily I caught it just in time and instead directed him to someone off your site. I figure if you vetted him out, then he must be selling a reasonable product.
I vet the best I can, but I also rely on feedback from readers for a large part of the vetting process. I figure if I’ve had an advertiser up for a year and no one has complained to me about them, then I’m doing something right. I can count the complaints I’ve had about advertisers on one hand and I’ve only had to “fire” one so far.
I disagree with Donald on the comments–sometimes they are my favorite part!
I do find the searchability to be a bit challenging sometimes. I will want to re-read a post about HSA accounts, for example, and when I enter HSA in the search box, I get tons of posts, some pdf, some html, and have difficulty finding the one I want. Sometimes this is because the names of the posts don’t give a lot of information on the content. I think it would be helpful to have posts grouped by topic, with maybe a sentence of summary. That said, the fact that I find myself coming back to the site and re-reading posts says a lot about the quality of the content.
Some of the posts I consider “classics” because I come back to them more than once are the backdoor Roth tutorial, reallocation, and the future value calculation. One of the ones I can’t find was more of an advice post, which talked about how calculating the cost of a purchase in terms of the years you’ll need to work on the back end to pay for it. Sometimes I need that kind of inspiration.
I agree with you Megan…the comments are often my favorite part too, and Jim does a great job of moderating them. Sorry if you didn’t pick up on the sarcasm.
It must have been before coffee. 🙂
I disagree with the above regarding the color change.
I am a creature of habbit and anytime a website changes a simple thing like color it messes up my world for weeks. Also, in the ever changing world of websites upgrades keep making sites worse and less navigatable. See recent changes to ESPN, CNN or Fox’s websites and you will understand what I am talking about. They have actually made them much worse.
Boring brown is fine with me!
(I’ll note for starters that I’m using current version of Firefox, on Mac 10.8.5)
Font size: my aging eyes find the font too small, so I have to zoom the page; but then the box containing the blog post also expands, and I have to scroll sideways to see all of it. It is annoying to do this every time I visit the site. So I vote for a larger font, or at least a design where zooming doesn’t make the whole text box bigger, only the text itself.
Also the comment font size is even smaller, so if I want to read the comments I have to zoom and scroll yet again.
Colors: I won’t say I love the brown-ish theme but I don’t hate it either, and like some others who’ve commented I don’t like change. The overall background appears beige to me, your blog post background is more a pale peach/orange, and the comments are in brown boxes. The brown does seem a bit dark for good contrast, but the beige and peach don’t bother me and in fact I think they’re easy on the eyes. Please keep the text black, on a pale background (doesn’t need to be white).
For what it’s worth I’m not sure I ever found the archives until reading the comments of this post, and I’ve had frustrations similar to others using the google search of the site when trying to find info on a particular topic. I’ve wished, for example, to have a tag for “back door Roth IRA” so I could find all of the articles that actually discuss that topic (rather than just mentioning it in passing).
I don’t know if I’d find the forum useful. I already spend some time every day or two on the Bogleheads forum; not sure I’d want to take more time to scan another forum.
I love the site as-is.
I suppose the search feature could use improvement, it is a little difficult to find an old useful article sometimes. But your WCI Classics would help with that. WCI Classics should include stuff that is unique to doctors and similar professionals, e.g. doctor mortgage loans, student loan refinance, student loan forgiveness, running a practice, contract considerations, doctor specific life and disability insurance, etc. General finance and suze ormon type stuff we can get anywhere else. The white coat part is what brings be to this site.
Comment system is a little funky. If comment gets a little long it freezes up. I like that I don’t have to log-in, though, and the captcha is easy. I wouldn’t mess with it, but up to you.
The colors are good. Easy on the eyes, not too aggressive.
The ads are also good. I run adblock but I think this site might be too small for adblock to pick up and block any of the ads. The ads I see are all pretty relevant and helpful. I know I’ve clicked on the DRB and home loan ads. I would hate to see there be pop up ads or audio ads in the future. Right now it’s fine.
I would say please don’t make a forum because I know I will kill way too much time on it. I also would not want the forum to take away from the website.
I want to say that my first visit to the website was about refinancing medschool student loans. Yours was the only website that gave any really meaningful, helpful advice. I’m not even an MD, but my wife is, and this website has been a valuable resource.
Would you kill me if I used a single pop-up (meaning you only saw it the first time you came to the site, assuming you used cookies) to encourage you to sign-up for the RSS feed, buy the book, and sign up for the newsletter?
I’m not Craig but I find popups like that to be SUPER annoying. For my part, I come to the site three times a week and I’ve already bought the book and signed up for the newsletter, so why do I want my blog reading experience interrupted by the popup? And if I were new to the site, I’d be annoyed because how do I even know if I’m interested enough to buy/sign up, when the damn thing pops up before I even have a chance to read my first blog post?
Seriously, those things enrage me and would likely deter me from even visiting the site.
Quite emotional.
Interesting to think about feelings on a finance blog.
I think people are getting to be less and less ad-tolerant, I think because ads are getting more aggressive. Personally I can barely stand watching cable TV.
Well, the theory is that you’d only ever see it once, and I could time it so it pops up as you leave after your first visit, or even 2 or 3 minutes into your visit etc.
But I hate pop-ups too, that’s why you’ve never seen one on this site thus far.
Ha I feel sort of like Pyrite on this one.
Most websites with popups I find to be inherently cheesy, cheapens the experience, makes me think less of the website immediately, and I usually don’t return. I know the site is good so it wouldn’t bother me too much and I would come back.
Hell, I hate the websites that ask you to complete a survey at the end. I can’t click “no thanks” fast enough, whether or not I love or hate the site.
Also even though there’s cookies, if you access the website from another device, if you use multiple browsers, or if you clear your cookies from time to time, you’ll get the popup again and again and again. I know I’ve visited here from my work computer, phone, ipad, laptop, etc.