
First, credit where credit is due. Most of the ideas in this blog post are not mine, and if they can be credited to anyone, that credit goes to Wade Pfau. I good-naturedly (hopefully good-naturedly) rib Wade a lot because he loves to get into the weeds on retirement spending discussions. I'm much more of a big picture guy on this subject (“start at something around 4% and adjust as you go“, “if you really have to care a lot about this stuff, you probably blew the accumulation phase,” you're going to have to be flexible in retirement, etc.).
But WCIers keep asking for more and more information and discussion of this topic, so let's go into the weeds and hang out for a while.
Before we do that, however, I think it's really important to have a framework in place. You can then take any new ideas and information you encounter and place it onto that framework to make it easier to understand. I know of no better framework than the one that Wade has developed, so we're going to discuss it today. If you want to read more from Wade, you can start with this article, or better yet, get his book, Retirement Planning Guidebook. Buy through that affiliate link, and WCI will even get something like $1 from Amazon—and maybe I can get an extra pickle the next time we order lunch for a staff meeting.
The Big Risk(s) in Retirement
First, let's talk about what worries us all. That's longevity risk. It's an actuarial problem, i.e. that you will last longer than your money. Despite the fact that I basically don't know anyone who started with a seven-figure nest egg (i.e. had a successful accumulation phase) and had this happen to them, everyone worries about it. Frankly, most of them should spend more time worrying about their mortality than their longevity risk, but it is what it is (it's now time to insert that famous Rich, Broke, or Dead graph).
Longevity risk can really be broken down into three categories:
- Macro and Market Risk
- Inflation Risk
- Personal Spending Risk
Macro risk includes things like tax rates going up and your investments being really volatile or having low returns. Inflation risk is simply that your living expenses climb faster than expected. Personal spending risk includes things like massive healthcare or long-term care expenses or the need to take care of your parents or kids. Divorce and fraud also get lumped into this category for lack of a better place to put them, although the real problem with divorce and fraud may be getting your assets cut in half, not having your expenses increase.
More information here:
Some Sobering (and Scary) Statistics on People’s Retirement Preparedness
Retirees Are Not All the Same
One of Pfau's big realizations is that there is no one-size-fits-all solution for retirement spending. People are different. Some value flexibility (he prefers the term “optionality”) more than others who are fine with making long-term commitments. Some prefer guarantees and safety, whereas others are OK taking some risk if it means they can likely spend more or leave more behind. He uses these two concepts (optionality vs. commitment and safety vs. probability) together to make his trademarked Retirement Income Styles Chart or RISA® Style Matrix.
On the left side of the matrix, we see safety-first retirement spending styles, and on the right, we see probability-based spending styles. On the top, we see optionality-oriented spending styles, and on the bottom, we see commitment-oriented spending styles.
Most of us DIYers have traditionally sat in the upper right box, which Pfau calls the Total Return box. This basically means you're living off a portfolio of stocks, bonds, and real estate that will provide uncertain but probably relatively high returns. This is likely to provide the highest possible standard of living and where you can leave behind the most money to heirs, but there are no guarantees. The way these folks deal with longevity risk is by following and maybe adjusting some sort of spending rule that keeps them from running out of money. Research is pretty clear that the variable rules tend to allow for more spending and less risk of running out of money than the fixed rules, but more on those later.
A big risk for these folks is the Sequence of Returns Risk (SORR). That's the idea that you can run out of money even if your average returns are fine if the crummy return years come first in retirement. Withdrawing from a rapidly declining portfolio can be brutal. This was the whole point of the Trinity Study back in the 1990s, which showed that financial advisors were giving crappy advice to their clients when they were telling them that if their portfolio averaged 8%, they could spend 8% a year and be fine. In reality, if they were spending more than about 4% of the initial portfolio value indexed for inflation, there was a significant risk of them running out of money in some situations.
The Time Segmentation style is often called a buckets strategy, first made popular by financial planner Ray Lucia. The idea is that you have different buckets of money for different time periods of retirement. You might have a cash bucket that provides your spending for the first two years and a bonds bucket that provides your spending in years 3-10. Then, the rest of your money is invested in a risk bucket for later years, perhaps in stocks and/or real estate. There are various methods for deciding when and how to refill the various buckets as you go along. Some criticize this style by pointing out that there is just an underlying asset allocation here just like for the Total Returns folks—that this is all smoke and mirrors—but that's not really true.
The size of the buckets varies by how much you spend, not by how much you have. Bucket No. 1 could be 2% of your portfolio, Bucket No. 2 could be 8% of your portfolio, and Bucket No. 3 could be 90% of your portfolio. Or Bucket 1 could be 10%, Bucket 2 could be 40%, and Bucket 3 could be 50%. Those are very different asset allocations. The Time Segmentation style deals with longevity risk by leaving Bucket 3 to grow in aggressive investments so that when Buckets 1 and 2 are exhausted, there's a whole big pile of money still to spend. It deals with SORR by giving you 10 years (or whatever) for the good returns to show up, so having lousy returns for three or four or even 10 years won't torpedo the plan. TIPS or CD ladders are another method of Time Segmentation that can be used for some or all of the buckets.
The Income Protection style basically converts assets to income. We're not just talking about spending just your dividends, interest, and rents. Assuming they haven't built some sort of bizarro portfolio full of junk bonds and personal loans, those people are generally just spending less than they could in a Total Return style, and they will have very lucky heirs. We're talking about putting guarantees in place. They deal with longevity risk by having guaranteed income; they can never run out of money. They deal with SORR by not having money in the markets where returns vary and matter. Examples of strategies that belong to this style include:
- Delaying Social Security
- Working at a job that provides a pension
- Buying Single Premium Immediate Annuities (SPIAs)
- Buying longevity insurance (i.e. Deferred Income Annuities or DIAs)
You're making a commitment when you do these things and you're losing optionality. You might be lowering the overall amount you can spend, but you're also ensuring you won't ever completely run out of money.
The Risk Wrap style might be the black hole of this chart, where you must use the maximum amount of care to ensure you're not just being sold crummy insurance-based products by slick salespeople. The problem with this space is that you're losing optionality and having to make a commitment, but you're really not getting the solid guarantees that you get in the Income Protection style. You are typically getting some sort of guarantee, but only you can decide whether they cost too much for what you're getting. I think, most of the time, they do, but I am obviously firmly in the Total Return camp like most fee-averse DIY investors. What sorts of things are we talking about here?
- Whole life and other types of cash value insurance policies
- Variable annuities, with or without various guarantee riders
- Index-linked annuities
- Reverse mortgages
There are no firm lines here between these styles. There's no rule that says you can't use more than one of them. In fact, lots of people “put a floor under” some of their spending using income protection techniques like Social Security, pensions, and SPIAs and then manage the rest in a Total Return manner. One of the big issues with the Total Return folks is they underspend due to fear of running out. The other styles provide a lot more “permission to spend” due to their guarantees. If that is a big issue for you like it is for many, you really should give some consideration to incorporating some aspects of those other styles.
More information here:
A Doctor’s Review of the Retirement Income Style Awareness (RISA) Profile
5 Strategies for Managing Volatility and Longevity in Retirement
Now that we've discussed income styles, let's discuss the general strategies to deal with volatility and longevity in retirement. These are:
#1 Spending Conservatively
The less you spend, the less volatility matters and the less likely you are to run out of money. Spend only 1%-2% of your nest egg each year, and you seriously don't have to worry about any of this stuff. These are the people who really won the accumulation stage. We'll be in this boat, and many of you will, too.
#2 Spending Flexibility
The lower your ratio of fixed/mandatory spending to variable spending, the more flexible you can be with your portfolio withdrawals. This is a great reason to not have any debt going into retirement. Even if you're spending 5% of your portfolio, you can cut your spending by 2/3 in the event of a market downturn and can easily handle SORR.
#3 Reducing Volatility
Some assets are more volatile than others. Investing more in CDs and less in Bitcoin is obviously going to reduce volatility.
#4 Buffer Assets
A buffer asset is something you can spend instead of selling assets after they go down in value. Cash might be the ultimate buffer asset, but things like cash value life insurance and home equity (via a HELOC, refinance, or reverse mortgage) can also be used. A buffer asset is just something where the principal value doesn't really change.
#5 Work
This may only work in the first few years of retirement, but that's also when your SORR is highest. You can go back to work, living partly or completely off your earned income and giving your portfolio time to recover. Many retirees find other benefits from working, including purpose and community. It doesn't have to be that old job you hated either. Even a little income can go a very long way.
More information here:
How I Went from a Negative Net Worth in My 30s to Early Retirement
A New Way of Doing Business (and Saving Tons of Money) in My Retirement
Who Should Worry the Most About Sequence of Returns Risk?
Some people should worry more about SORR than others. The more the following characteristics describe you, the more you should be concerned.
- Relatively low level of wealth compared to spending the portfolio needs to support (i.e. less than 33X)
- High ratio of fixed to variable expenses
- Few or no reliable income sources
- Little in the way of buffer assets
- High anxiety levels (greater desire for safety, more worry about market movements, lots of fear about running out of money)
If none of that describes you, you probably don't need to do much about SORR. If it all describes you, it's time to do some things, such as buying SPIAs, with part of your portfolio.
With this framework in place, we can discuss some of the 300ish different ways to spend from your retirement portfolio. Stay tuned!
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What do you think? Do you like this framework? Why or why not? Which box of the RISA® do you find yourself most attracted to and why?
I subscribe to the “smoke and mirror” criticism of a formal bucket approach. It’s fine and dandy for younger folks to make up these spending models, but when you reach your eighth and ninth decade of life – if you are doing it yourself, it’s a challenge. It might not be the most efficient, it might not get the most return, but it might just prevent catastrophic mistakes and that is to get the allocation and then each year withdraw so the allocation remains stable. All the buying and selling to maintain formal buckets is too much. For example, this year FSUTX (Fidelity Utility) has been on a roll, its far outweighed the percentage I allocate to it, so it is where I will take spending money, not from the money market which is doing well but which is still within the percentage I allocate to it. Its a lot simpler than moving the FSUTX to the bond segment and then money from the bond segment to the money market segment.
I think we do a disservice by making finance so complex. Thousands of articles written about the something that is summarized in a few sentences. In this case, if worried about SORR, just lower withdrawal rate to 1-3%. All this bucket strategy stuff adds so much complexity to what is just your asset allocation. Having 7 different buckets and changing them is so silly. Just have a reasonable asset allocation. Diversify and don’t have too much of your portfolio in any one asset class. If market is up, 20% on the year, maybe take out 5 or 6% withdrawal, when its down, lower to 2-3%. Be flexible. You can work part time, keep expenses low. These are very simple fundamental ideas and we make it so hard to understand. Keep it simple. The more simple it is, the less mistakes there will be. If you had to explain this to a 10 year old, how would you explain it? Stick with that.
Lowering withdrawal rate to 1% is a massive change for most retirees. If 4% is $80K, now you’re asking them to live on $20K and saying it like that’s no big deal. Well, it probably is.
You literally said the exact same thing in the article. “The less you spend, the less volatility matters and the less likely you are to run out of money. Spend only 1%-2% of your nest egg each year, and you seriously don’t have to worry about any of this stuff.”
Doesn’t have to be that low, the point is if you are worried about SORR, all you can control is your asset allocation and your withdrawal %. And if that number seems too low and you are worried about SORR, well you should work part time or work longer until you are comfortable with that lower number.
I agree that if you’re fine spending 1-2% like many very wealthy people are, you don’t have to worry about SORR. I’m just saying if you really wanted to spend 4%, cutting back to 1-2% is a pretty big change.
I think there are less drastic ways to deal with SORR (as discussed in the article) than your recommended but admittedly effective method.
Great post, Dr. Dahle. As a physician of preretirement age, I was hoping you would get to this conversation. As soon as I read the newly published W. Phau’s book and took RISA, I was solidly in the Total Return camp. But the more I read and learned about the financial aspects of retirement planning, the more I realized the shortcomings of that approach. 2021 Morningstar’s outlook on SWR, with moving from Bengen’s 4% to 2.29% based on high stocks’ valuation, was eye-opening. Paralyzed by fear of extra spending income distribution can make one the richest man in the graveyard but unlikely the happiest retiree. I flirted a little with the Bucket Strategy pioneered by Harold Evensky. Both these approaches carry another risk – “What to do when I get stupid?” The great book by Lewis Mandell with that title is based on scientific studies telling us that our financial accumen can drop significantly with age. I think the combination of the Safety First ( SPIA, DIA) approach to mandatory spending ( housing, healthcare, food, utility, transportation) and designated and spendable for discretionary fun market-based diversified portfolio ( Total Return) may be the best option for saving and enjoying retirement.
FWIW- I think 2.3% is insanely low.
I agree, Dr. Dahle, that drastically adjusting one’s consumption today because the stock market is in a tailspin does not sound like a good proposition for a safe and lasting retirement. Plus, one can never know how long the market decline will last and, most importantly, how long one will live.
Guardrail strategies (Guyton/Klinger, Kitces) for safe withdrawals are complex and may be too much for an elderly person to handle.
dominating article Jim as always and hope you are making a speedy recovery. When you say for the risk wrap folks “but only you can decide whether they cost too much for what you’re getting. I think, most of the time, they do . . .” do you think maybe using a combination of SPIA/DIA and high equity asset allocation would satisfy this retirement income style without risk wrap folks getting screwed? Wade himself had recommended RILA’s and VA’s to these folks, but these annuities have so many fees and are so profitable to the sellers of these products I probably would recommend what I’m proposing to the time segmentation retirees.
Yes, I think that could be a pretty good plan. I certain think it’s easier to get a good deal on a SPIA than a VA.
This talk about retirement income is cool and all, but let’s pause for a sec to honor the queen, Dame Maggie Smith. Seriously, she’s not just an acting legend—she’s got some serious life lessons to drop on us about handling money. Like, the way she picked roles that really mattered to her? We can totally do the same with our investments, making sure they match up with our goals and what we care about. Her dedication to acting, refined over years, is exactly the kind of discipline we need for managing our cash—saving up, budgeting smart, and investing so we can stay steady and keep growing. So, yeah, while we’re chatting about planning for the future, let’s not forget what Dame Maggie could teach us about keeping our finances strong and resilient. RIP Dame Maggie
Dr. Dahle – you’ve been there from the start of our financial journey & so glad you are blogging about planning for retirement. Really hoping you would write a book on the subject! I’m seven years out from retirement and trying to navigate these new waters. As always, appreciate you helping make sure we don’t make stupid mistakes. Thanks & glad you are recovering well.
Thanks for your kind words. We do have something planned to help with retirement.