By Dr. Jim Dahle, WCI Founder
I first wrote about multiple 401(k) accounts back in 2013 in a post entitled Beating the $51K Limit (for which I am still eternally grateful to Mike Piper for the pearl that grew into that post). Well, the $51K limit has since grown into the $70K limit in 2025 thanks to inflation, but all the same principles still apply.
I get tons of questions on multiple employer 401(k)s in our Forum, Podcast, Facebook, and Reddit groups, in the comments sections of the posts on this site, and by email. Heck, this post already has over 1,000 comments! Mostly, I wrote this post so I could copy and paste its URL instead of typing the same old stuff over and over again. (Come to think of it, that was the motivation for starting this site in the first place.)
Can You Have Multiple 401(k)s?
Here's the deal. Many physicians work for multiple employers or work as an employee and either an independent contractor or a consultant. Many others have a side job of another type. Their incomes are far higher than they require for their current spending needs, but they're behind on their savings or otherwise have a desire to maximize the amount of money they can put into retirement accounts, especially tax-deferred retirement accounts.
Obviously, these types of accounts minimize tax, maximize returns, increase asset protection, and facilitate estate planning. Who wouldn't want to get more money into them? However, most of these doctors are surprised to learn that they can have more than one 401(k). That's right,
YOU CAN HAVE MORE THAN ONE 401(K)!
Okay, now that I've got that out of my system, let's make a list of the 7 governing rules for using more than one 401(k):
What to Do with Multiple 401(k) Accounts – Multiple 401(k) Rules
Rule #1 – One Employee Contribution Total
In 2025 the IRS only allows you to make a total of $23,500 ($31,000 if 50 or over) worth of “employee contributions” to all of your 401(k)s (or 403(b)s) no matter how many unrelated employers you have. If you have access to two 401(k)s, you can split this up, but the total must be $23.5K ($31K if over 50) or less.
Rule #2 – $70K per Unrelated Employer
The IRS also only allows you and your employer (which might also be you) to put a total of $70,000 for 2025 ($77,500 if 50+) per year into a 401(k). This includes the employee contribution, any match from the employer, and any employer contributions. This is the same limit for a SEP-IRA (if <50) which is technically all employer contributions. However, unlike rule # 1, this limit applies to each unrelated employer separately.
“Unrelated employers” means that the businesses doing the employing are not a “controlled group.” There are two types of controlled groups:
- “Parent-Subsidiary” Group
This is when a parent business (corporation, sole proprietor, LLC, partnership, etc.) owns 80%+ of another business. - “Brother-Sister” Group
This is where 5 or fewer individuals, estates, or trusts own a controlling interest (again, 80%+) of two different businesses.
So if the two businesses you are involved in aren't a controlled group, and they each have a 401(k), (or a 401(k) and a SEP-IRA) you get two $70K limits. Pretty cool, huh? There are several common examples where this could apply to a physician:
Multiple 401(k) – Example #1
A 40-year-old single physician is an employee of two completely unrelated hospitals. The first pays her $200K per year and matches 100% of her first $5K put into the 401(k). It also offers her a 457. The second pays her $100K per year and matches 50% of the first $7K she puts into her 401(k). What retirement accounts should this physician use in order to maximize her contributions in 2020?
- Hospital 1 401(k): At least $5K (plus the $5K match) = $10K
- Hospital 1 457: $23.5K
- Hospital 2 401(k): At least $7K (plus the $3,500 match) = $10,500
- Plus another $11.5K into either hospital's 401(k) (pick the one with the better investments)
- Plus $7,000 into a Backdoor Roth IRA
- Total: $62,500
Multiple 401(k) – Example #2
A 40-year-old married physician whose spouse doesn't work is a partner in a 100 doctor partnership which offers a 401(k)/Profit-sharing plan in which he can “self-match” up to the $70K limit. The partnership also offers a defined benefit/cash balance plan with a $30K limit. He makes $300K practicing medicine. He is also the sole owner of a website on the side that makes $300K per year and has its own individual 401(k). Both 401(k)s offer a Roth option. What is the maximum amount he can put into Roth accounts in any given year without doing a conversion of tax-deferred or after-tax dollars?
- Partnership 401(k)/PSP: $70K, of which $23.5K can be Roth*
- Partnership DB/CBP: $30K, of which $0K can be Roth
- Website Individual 401(k): $70K, of which $23.5K could be Roth* if none of the Partnership 401(k) money represents an “employee contribution”. Otherwise, $0K Roth.
- Personal Backdoor Roth IRA: $7,000
- Spousal Backdoor Roth IRA: $7,000
- HSA: $8,550
- Total: $192,550 of which $37.5K can be Roth*
*Note that Secure Act 2.0 has made some changes which will allow the possibility of Roth matching contributions starting in 2023.
Multiple 401(k) – Example #3
This 52-year-old married physician (spouse doesn't work) is an employee of a hospital where she is paid $200K. She has a 401(k) with a set $20K employer profit-sharing contribution (not a match) and the hospital pays most of the premiums on a non-high-deductible health plan. She moonlights across town as an independent contractor and is paid on a 1099, where she earns $100K and has opened up an individual 401(k). The hospital 401(k) has terrible investments and high fees. How should she allocate her retirement savings in order to best use these options?
- Hospital 401(k): $20K employer contribution
- Individual 401(k): $31K employee contribution (50+) + 20% * $100K = $20K employer contribution = $51K (technically slightly less due to Rule # 5 below)
- Personal Backdoor Roth IRA: $8,000 (50+)
- Spousal Backdoor Roth IRA: $8,000 (50+)
- Total: $87K
Multiple 401(k) – Example #4
A 40-year-old single physician is in a business partnership with one other physician and they have several employees. Due to hassles and the costs of their employees, they have opted to use a SIMPLE 401(k) for their practice. He makes $200K. He also does some consulting work on his own as a sole proprietorship where he is paid on a 1099, about $50K per year. He and his physician business partner recently opened up another business where they sell a medical device. They are the only owners of both the practice and of the corporation that sells the device (which has no employees). He makes another $50K from this company of which $25K is salary and $25K is a “distribution” from the S Corp. What kind of retirement set-up should this physician do?
- Practice SIMPLE IRA: $16,500 employee contribution plus $6K (3% of salary) employer contribution: $22,500
- Unfortunately, these three entities are part of a “controlled group”, so he cannot have a separate retirement plan for either of the other two entities that ignore the employees in the practice. The presence of a SIMPLE IRA also makes it tough to use a Backdoor Roth IRA due to the pro-rata rule.
- Total: $22,500
Rule #3 – Employer Contributions Are 20% of “Net Earnings from Self-Employment”
When calculating the employer contribution for a SEP-IRA or an Individual 401(k), you use your “net earnings from self-employment”. This includes any amount used for an employee contribution, but excludes the amount used for S Corp distributions (those aren't “earned income” and so can't be used for retirement account contributions) and the amount used for the employer half of the payroll taxes (same as the self-employment tax deduction).
The employer contribution in an individual 401(k) and a SEP-IRA is exactly the same (for those under 50), but since you can also make an employee contribution into an individual 401(k) (and 401(k) money isn't included in the backdoor Roth pro-rata calculation), a 401(k) is generally the better option for the self-employed, even if it is slightly more complicated to open (and must be opened in the calendar year rather than before tax day of the next year). The possibility of a Roth SEP IRA starting in 2023 could provide another way around this rule.
Note that an employee owner of an S Corp is limited to 25% of W-2 compensation as an employer contribution.
Rule #4 – You Only Get One SEP, SIMPLE, or 401(k) per Unrelated Employer per Year
Each unrelated employer should only have one of these three types of accounts for each tax year. You can technically have more than one, but they share a combined limit. However, you could open a SEP-IRA for your self-employment income in March 2025 for tax year 2024, and then open an individual 401(k) in June 2025 for tax year 2025 if you like. Remember that just because you are the sole owner of two separate businesses doesn't mean you get two different retirement accounts. Those businesses are a controlled group.
Rule #5 – These Rules Have Nothing to Do with 457s, IRAs, or HSAs
457(b)s, Backdoor Roth IRAs, and HSAs all have their own separate limits that have nothing to do with the limits for 401(k)s, 403(b)s, SEP-IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs. Putting more into a Roth IRA doesn't mean you can't still max out your 401(k).
Rule #6 – Catch-Up Contributions Also Allow You to Beat the $66K Limit
Many accounts have catch-up contributions if you're old enough (usually 50 or older, but 55 or older for HSAs). Roth IRAs have a $1,000 catch-up, HSAs have a $1,000 catch-up, and 401(k)/403(b)s have a $7,500 catch up. That $7,500 catch-up is in addition to the $70K limit, so if you're over 50, you're self-employed with lots of income, and you make your full $31,000 employee contribution to your individual 401(k), the $70K limit becomes a $77,500K limit. Note that 457(b) catch-ups and 403(b) catch-ups work slightly differently.
Rule #7 – 403(b)s Are Not 401(k)s
Many physicians have access to a 403(b) by working for a hospital or public entity. There is a unique rule for 403(b)s, however, which will prevent many doctors who use a 403(b) at their main job from maxing out an individual 401(k) on the side, at least if they own 50% or more of the company for which they have an individual 401(k) (and they probably do). It doesn't make much sense, but neither do many tax and retirement plan rules out there. Basically, your 403(b) at work, unlike a 401(k), is considered to be controlled by you. So you are stuck with the same 415c limit of $70K (see Chapter 3 at the link). So if you put $23.5K into your 403(b) at work, you are only allowed to put $70K-$23.5K=$46.5K into an individual 401(k).
My Accountant Doesn't Believe You
Obviously, having access to multiple 401(k)s is an unusual situation among Americans in general, even if it is quite common among doctors. As such, an unbelievable number of accountants (and especially their clients) have a misunderstanding of the rules noted above, particularly the one about having a separate $70K limit for each unrelated employer. However, taking a look at this article on IRS.Gov written in layman's language, you can see this is true:
Overall Limit on Contributions
Total annual contributions (annual additions) to all of your accounts in plans maintained by one employer (and any related employer) are limited. The limit applies to the total of:
- elective deferrals
- employer matching contributions
- employer nonelective contributions
- allocations of forfeitures
The annual additions paid to a participant’s account cannot exceed the lesser of
- 100% of the participant's compensation, or
$66,000 ($73,500 including catch-up contributions) for 2023 ($61,000, or $67,500 including catch-up contributions for 2021).There are separate, smaller limits for SIMPLE 401(k) plans.
If that's not enough for your accountant, you can simply go straight to the actual code sections in question, in this case, 415(c) (where the $66K limit comes from, originally $40K). Be sure to scroll through subsections (f) through (h) where the relevant examples are used:
(f) Combining of plans
(1) In general
For purposes of applying the limitations of subsections (b) and (c)—(A) all defined benefit plans (whether or not terminated) of an employer are to be treated as one defined benefit plan, and(B) all defined contribution plans (whether or not terminated) of an employer are to be treated as one defined contribution plan.
Note how it says all defined contribution plans OF AN EMPLOYER are to be treated as one plan. Section (g) reads similarly:
(g) Aggregation of plans
… the Secretary, in applying the provisions of this section to benefits or contributions under more than one plan maintained by the same employer, ….with respect to which the participant has the control required under section 414 (b) or (c)…shall…disqualify one or more…plans…until such benefits or contributions do not exceed the limitations contained in this section.
Thank you for the great post! My wife and I maxed out our 401ks via our respective employers this year (2024). That meant I put in $23k into my 401k and my employer did profit sharing/employer portion of $46k. My wife put in $23k via her employer’s 401k and also had a mix of employer contribution + after tax voluntary contribution/mega backdoor Roth to get to $69k.
The kicker is I also have a fair amount of ($300k) of self-employed sole proprietor 1099 income. I employ my wife to help me manage that side of the business. I set up a solo 401k for me and my wife. I pay my wife around $80k/year, so I contributed $20k to her solo 401k and $200k x 20$ = $40k to my own solo 401k. And we filled up the rest ($49k and $29k, respectively) via mega backdoor Roth 401k.
It makes me want to just be employed by even another entity (even $10k per year), as long as I have access to a mega backdoor Roth in that employment situation.
It seems like a HUGE advantage to just be able to put as much investable money as we can into multiple backdoor Roth 401ks vs. a regular taxable brokerage account.
How is that not a business that exists for high-income individuals? Essentially, employ me for $5k/year, I’ll pay you $10k/year through another entity, and then give me access to a mega backdoor Roth via your employment entity. Seems like a huge loophole that someone can exploit…
If your net family AGI is high, tax deferral is more valuable than Roth unless you anticipate having the same or higher income in retirement (which is not unheard of, but it is very rare). When your 1099 income reaches $300k, you should consider a Cash Balance plan in addition to the solo 401k plan. This might allow you to contribute probably the entire $300k as tax deferred and MBR 401k, depending on your age and the age of your spouse.
As far as your idea about having an employer like that, if the whole purpose is to avoid paying taxes for the purpose of beefing up a retirement plan contribution, this is not going to be viable. An employer has to make a profit getting something done. If this is ‘make believe’ work, they can’t charge too much for this as their costs are going to be high in running the retirement plan, paying employees, etc., etc., and few if any would want all Roth – most people will want tax deferral. It will also be taken down by the IRS as a tax avoidance scheme pretty quickly, because it would be exactly that.
Not sure employing your wife makes sense. Did you add up how much extra you’re paying in payroll taxes from that move?
But as far as your fraudulent scheme, the main reason people don’t do that is, you know, fraud.
You realize your after-tax employee contributions are limited to what you earn too, right? So earn $5K you can contribute $5K, not $70K.
I am an employed physician. My Employer has 401k and 457 b which Im maxing out. My Employer has majority stake in a clinical research entity for which I work as a second job and get paid 1099 to my LLC (Solo proprietor). Can i set up and contribute to a solo 401K through my LLC? If so what limits applies. thanks
Yes. You get one 415(c) limit for your employer’s 401(k) and one for your company’s 401(k). So if you’re under 50, that’s $70K each for 2025. You only get one “employee” $23,500 contribution of course, so the entire contribution to your solo 401(k) is going to be employer contributions +/- after-tax employee (Mega Backdoor Roth) contributions.
I maxed out my employee contribution (I’m 57) at $30,500 in 2024 at my W-2 job. My employer match amounted to about 4K. They don’t allow after tax contributions…..so I opened a non prototype solo 401K from a sponsored company from WCI and plan on making “after tax contributions” there for another $29,300 as that was the total earned from my unrelated (1099) side gig (minus expenses).
I have just an LLC (no S-corp)
The plan was/is to immediately convert the after tax contribution to a Roth (my 1st mega back door Roth).
A friend asked me a question that made me wonder if I made a mistake. If the after tax contribution was an employee contribution, then wouldn’t I be over the limit for employee contributions? His reasoning was that the employee contribution limit was already met… so he thought I might be restricted to making only employer contributions at the side gig non prototype 401K.
….and I realized I didn’t know the answer.
Can I proceed with my plan (prior to the tax filing deadline in April)? ….or do I need to limit my side gig solo 401K contribution to just the employer contribution limit?
Make sure that total is the “net” total, net of the employer half of the payroll taxes. Good calculator here:
https://obliviousinvestor.com/solo-401k-contribution-calculator/
No, after-tax employee contributions don’t count toward the main “employee contribution” that is either tax-deferred or Roth. Your plan is fine and basically what we do every year with our my second 401(k). The entire $70K is an after-tax employee contribution.
I had read that the SECURE Act 2.0 allows sole proprietors up to the tax date the following year to open a solo401k. Is that not true?
For 2024, I’m a w2 with 403b with small amount of matching – maxing my 23K contribution and employer puts in ~10K. I also have a 457b which is max’d. I have 12K net income from a 1099 side gig which I anticipate will give 10-15K annually moving forward. If i’m understanding correctly, I should be able to make an employer contribution of 20% of net income so ~2.4K. I would like to open a solo401K for the main reason to do MBR which should allow me to put in 33.6K (69K – 23K – 10K – 2.4K). Am I understanding correctly? Thanks
Yes.
If you only make $10-15K that’s all you’re going to be able to contribute via Mega Backdoor Roth contributions. There is also the limitation you mention since the 403b and solo 401(k) share the same 415(c) limit. But the bigger one in your case is the amount of money your business made.
Like one of the commentors above, my day job’s W2 with Thrift Savings Plan (TSP), which I’ve read is just a type of 401k.
I’m >50yo so put in the max $30,500 in TSP Roth for 2024.
I also moonlight with 1099 pay. 2024 I worked a lot and made $193,611 on my “1099-NEC’s”.
From all the reading, my understanding is max solo 401k contribution is my $193,611 income x .1972 = $38180.09.
BUT, Oblivious Investor’s https://obliviousinvestor.com/solo-401k-contribution-calculator/ calculates that my max solo 401k contribution is $38099 this year.
(I enter age 50-59, Profit from 1099 biz: $193611, Yes to “earnings from day job”, W2 box 3: $160182, Regular 401k (TSP in my case) contributions 23000, catch-up 401k contributions 7500).
…Any idea why Oblivious’ calculator says my max is $181 less?
I doubt Mike made an error with that calculator. I’d trust it. Better to slightly undercontribute than overcontribute. You can email Mike and he might be able to explain that slight difference if you really care.
If your solo 401(k) allows it, you could do Mega Backdoor Roth contributions too or instead of that $38K contribution.
The calculation is exactly as stated on the calculator’s page: 20% of (the schedule C profit, minus 1/2 of self-employment tax).
In this case self-employment tax is $6,229. (A key point here is that only $8,418 of your schedule C profit is subject to the Social Security tax portion of SE tax, due to your W-2 wages.)
($193,611 – $6,229/2) * 0.2 = $38,099.
Mike, you are the MAN! Thank you.
Hi, I changed my job mid-year in 2024. I maxed out my 415C limit $67,000 (via Roth 401k + after-tax + employer match) in my first employer W2 by mid 2024. In Aug 2024, I changed to a new unrelated employer (both in different business domains) on W2 and they allowed after-tax contributions (knowing that I maxed out my 415c limit in the first employer). I made an after-tax contribution of $44,000 with the second employer and there is no additional match. My CPA tells me that I exceeded my 415c limit as they believe that 415c limit is tied to employee but not to the employer. Should I withdraw my contribution?
415(c) was $69,000 in 2024.
No. You should educate your CPA or get a new one. The new plan isn’t a 403(b), right? Each unrelated employer 401(k) has its own 415(c) limit as discussed in this post.
It is not a 403(b). The second unrelated employer’s plan is another 401(k). I contributed after-tax to second employer’s 401(k) and did a Roth in-plan conversion. I will explain this to my CPA.
Thanks for clarifying the 69,000 limit for 2024.
I am wondering if I can max out my current 401K with one employer in the first six months of the year and still contribute to the 401a and 403b plans of a new employer in the second half of the year? The current employer is providing some matching funds to my 401K. The new employer will only be providing a set percentage of my salary to the 401a plan and I am required to put 8% of my salary into the 401a plan as well (I don’t know yet if that is pre or post-tax dollars). I have the option to contribute to an SRA (403b) plan in addition to the mandatory 401a, and there is no employer contribution for that. Do my current 401K contributions count limit my future 401a contributions if I max that out early, or would they just limit my 403b contributions, or neither?
Thanks.