
I started following The White Coat Investor many years ago. Everyone can use WCI, not just doctors. As a bonus, non-physicians like me get to learn something about the lives—and salaries—of You People with White Coats. You could call me a longtime lurker, though that is not known as a good thing in law (and, I hope, not in medicine either).
Lawyers and doctors are alike in some ways. You are MDs; we are JDs. You have CME; we have CLE. We both have malpractice insurance. We both may ultimately own a business with partners, investing capital and sweat. We both often help people through a stressful challenge they would have preferred to avoid.
Lawyers are also different from doctors in some ways. As any doctor will tell you, lawyers spend less time in school. As any lawyer will tell you, we get almost zero training before we start “practicing,” unlike doctors. We may have more disposable income than doctors early in our careers, but like you, we often have plenty of debt from grad school. No, most of us don’t do malpractice work. I love doctors, I swear. I have never sued one, I promise. I have friends who are doctors.
Lawyers don’t have residency or internship, but we have a kind of apprenticeship. At the large “Big Law” firm where I started in Washington DC in 1989, we were “associates.” Law school didn’t even remotely prepare us to be a lawyer, but, luckily, we couldn’t seriously injure anyone with our mistakes. Thank goodness, because we made plenty. If we were fortunate, we found a mentor or two, or they found us. We worked plenty hard, but we never did 36-hour shifts like residents because that is obviously nuts (I know, I know, “but continuity of care!”).
You and I have probably faced many of the same issues: where to live, whether to specialize, how to save and invest, how to balance stressful work with raising a family (my wife and I have three grown daughters), how to enjoy life and also build a career, how to save for college and retirement at the same time, and how to stay healthy. Legal and health problems weigh heavily on people, and being in a profession dedicated to trying to help takes its own toll. Like doctors, lawyers sadly suffer from a disproportionately high incidence of stress-related problems like depression, alcoholism, and addiction. You may have seen stress-induced health problems in the lawyers you treat.
Mistakes (and Corrections) I've Made
There was zero financial education when I was in school, and I’ve made plenty of mistakes. Once upon a time, I decided we should buy whole life insurance. I bought a few ill-advised “dot.com” shares in the late '90s. My wife and I made wills after our second daughter was born and then neglected to update them until very recently. If we died any time in a 20-year period, our third daughter would have seen herself referred to only as “subsequent issue.”
My wife and I also did some things right. We ditched that whole life policy early and converted it to inexpensive term life insurance in case we died when our girls were young. Those old internet shares were useful “tax-loss carry forwards.” Above all things, we spent less than we made, never carried credit card debt, and saved and invested in a very low-cost way. Right after we got married in 1997, we started automatically depositing a fixed monthly amount in our brokerage account. We dollar-cost-averaged our way into an S&P 500 index fund monthly for years (automatically investing it the day after the deposit came in) and raised the monthly deposit over time. We bought and sometimes added to 15-20 individual stocks, most of which we still hold today.
What we did wasn’t hard or complicated. We were DIYers allergic to investment expenses and just “bought and held.” I maxed out my 401(k) for 35 years and so did my wife during her 10-year career. We opened 529 plans for our girls very early, contributed what we hoped would be enough every month over seven years, and then stopped contributing and let the accounts ride. We also had fun. We bought a small second home in the mountains where we spent great family time and where our girls learned to ski. We took some trips that we all will remember forever.
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Realizing It Was Time to Leave My Job
One day about five years ago after an especially exhausting period at work, I realized we really had “enough.” Two of our girls were already in college. The 529s had grown enough to pay for the schools they chose (as well as a graduate degree for our oldest, it turned out). Because of the 529s, our expenses actually went down once they went to college.
And when retiring suddenly didn’t seem quite so far off, I started reading WCI and Morningstar with a different eye, focusing on issues that didn’t matter as much until I started to think about leaving my job. We got more deliberate about asset allocation and down-shifted from what had been 100% equities over many years. Recently, we invested in a bond ladder for the medium term so we shouldn’t be forced to sell any equities if the market bites us with sequence of returns risk.
Deciding to retire was not too difficult. I’ve really enjoyed my career, my co-workers, and my clients. Parts of my job continued to energize me, but overall the work lost a little luster as I passed my 30th year in practice.
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On the financial side, the numbers told us we could make the leap (and we got a flat fee advisor to kick the tires, confirm where we thought we were, and help us think about issues like asset allocation). We downsized three years ago after our “subsequent issue” went off to college. Now, after spending and saving more or less on autopilot for 30 years, we will have to adjust to a world where we spend down our portfolio. We’ll have to create a “retirement paycheck” (and with markets making many all-time highs in recent months and a CAPE well above 30, we’ll for sure temper our return assumptions).
Buckets appeal to me (even if they are just psychological), and WCI’s The Buckets Strategy for Retirement post (among many others) was very helpful and thought-provoking. We have a year or so of our base expenses in a money market and more years in a mix of very low-cost defined maturity bond ETFs that should provide greater predictability for those years than a general bond fund. The rest will ride in low-cost index funds and individual stocks we have held for a long time; those throw off dividends that currently cover a meaningful fraction of our spending—which, though tax-inefficient, feels OK right now. We can adjust over time.
On the non-financial side, I have plenty of adjusting to do (and my wife has at least as much with me home more often). Retirement books, blogs, and podcasts all say a version of, “Make sure you plan as much or more for the non-financial side of retirement, knucklehead.” That’s excellent advice, but it was very hard for me to do when I was still working full-time. So far, I have dusted off the road bike I hadn’t ridden in three years (since flying off it and separating my shoulder) and got myself ready for a long, four-day ride in the mountains in June. I’ve had the time to read a stack of books. We are about to take the first of several trips that have long been on our list. I am also thinking about volunteering opportunities and maybe a side gig.
In addition, my wife has recently been spending a lot of time taking her mother to medical appointments, and we visited my 83-year-old parents, who have decided to stay in their old, three-story townhouse with staircases that are steep beyond all human understanding. We are watching our girls take jobs, decide where to live and who to spend time with, and begin to make their own way—just as we hoped.
My wife and I will probably have plenty of adjustments to make, and there will no doubt be a few surprises along the way (some lawyers prefer to call them “developments”). I know for sure that if you had told us 30 years ago when we met that we would be here now, we would have said that sounds pretty good.
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Thanks for telling your story. Any idea roughly what your savings rate was over those 30 years?
I don’t have records on that. I am sure there were some years where our savings rate was relatively low (10-15%) and other years where we were at 30-40% or more. We always maxed out the 401ks (though we never had any employer matching), and then saved what we could in the 529s and brokerage accounts as we were able, without skimping on life along the way.
Welcome to retirement, and to WCI blog post authorhood! I’m a few years ahead of you on the early retirement path- grandkids edition- and sadly into the burying our parents chapter as well. Don’t forget to consider ‘subsequent issue’ for the next generation and if you have any intentions of assisting financially at that level, as well as any possible inheritances and how that could affect you. I am today reviewing inherited IRA rules and wishing Oma (Gma) had made it easy to pass this IRA (and its taxes) on to our kids directly. [If we hire a lawyer it’d be easier, but… 😉 we didn’t retire early by hiring out our financial tasks. Plus we have time to do the work to save a few $1000.]
Thanks, Jenn! You are facing issues we haven’t yet and I’d be interested in hearing more. We will definitely have the next generation in mind (though, at least so far as our girls have told their father, I don’t think the next generation is imminent).
John congrats on retirement! I love how you made mistakes, bounced back, and have met all financial goals incluing retirement preparation! sounds like you dumped the whole life policy without WCI guidance as well!
Do you have legacy goals? If not, do you plan to die with zero as per Bill Perkins? Or do you feel that bill Perkins might be just a bit extreme where if you have a crapload of money when you die that’s ok just as long as you enjoyed retirement, especially the “non-retirement” side?
also, you said you are using defined maturity bond ETFs. are you using ishares Ibonds ETF’s? if not, which company are you using? is that how you constructed your medium term bond ladder?
Thanks for the good wishes, Rikki! On your question about the defined maturity bond ETFs, we are using iShares funds and have a combination of Treasury ETFs (IBTF, IBTG, etc) and investment grade corporates (IBDQ, IBDR, etc) from 2025 to 2030. Invesco BulletShares operate the same way and at the same very low cost, I believe. On your legacy question, I totally agree that as long as you enjoy your retirement and aren’t afraid to spend, then leaving a legacy too is a good thing. That said, Christine Benz at Morningstar wrote a very thought-provoking article about how the modest help her parents gave her and her husband with a down payment on their first house in the early 1990’s was way more useful than a legacy gift at their death decades later. That resonates with me and my wife.
Enjoyed the post. My oldest brother is an attorney and I credit him with getting us started investing in IRA’s when I started residency in 1995. It has been gratifying to compare notes along the way as we reached FI.
Congrats, you guys made it! My wife and I had a almost scary similar work/savings habit as well as family and retired at age 55. Now at 60, we still find ourselves skimping and find frugality is a habit that we can’t seem to break even though we will pass along generational wealth. We give to the kids fairly regularly but really don’t splurge on anything that doesn’t include the kids. Q, do you find it difficult to spend your nest egg given your 30yr savings ‘habit’?
Spending down will be an interesting transition. So far so good, but the hard part likely won’t be when the markets keep hitting new highs, as they have been since I left … We have also planned for this for a long time and it is time to embrace the change.
Great to see this post. I’m another lawyer lurker and have found WCI to be very useful over the years. I’m mid 40s married 2 kids. I think we do ok and are on the same path as you hopefully. Our advisor recommended a regular small amount in 529s for 18 years but I always leaned towards your strategy of funding heavily up front and letting it ride.
I wonder how many other lawyer lurkers are out there. We can’t be the only ones.
It’s a single digit % of WCIers, but it’s far more than two of you.
Thank you for sharing John. I am a small business owner and entrepreneur following WCI. Our story is similar to yours. Now in our mid 60s, always been financially responsible, adult children off to a good start themselves, we enjoy our 2nd home for getaways, and enjoy life. My wife is semi-retired and I’m thinking of semi-retiring in a few years. We have always been DIY investors and our portfolio stands to do right by us over our lifetime where we won’t run out of money and we can leave our daughters part of our legacy. We are allocated at 60% in bonds and principle protected and 40% in a dozen stocks, as well as the rest in index funds and ETFs. We have brokerage, IRAs and Roths. Did our first Roth conversion this year as we are mindful of RMDs coming in 10 years. We finally did our estate docs this year and set up a trust for our investments and real estate. We have term life insurance and no LTC. I’ve never been a big fan of high commission products.
Recently we’ve been debating adding a financial advisor to the mix to make sure we don’t do anything wrong over the next 20-30 years of our lives. We cringe at the fees x 20 years if we did so. Did you ever consider using a AUM financial adviser, or flat fee advice only adviser?
We are seeing our parents age and their financial needs with LTC costs. We are now second guessing if we should add some safety measures on us with a small amount of LTC insurance vs our current plan to self fund our LTC needs. Do you worry about your LTC expenses?
We also have SS and small pensions to cover our retirement living expenses. Debating on buying a small SPIA single premium index annuity to cover a shortfall in the event one of us passes away. Do you ever worry about that?
I look forward to your thoughts. Robert
Hi, Robert. We sound alike in many ways.
Like you, we hate fees and enjoy DIYing using WCI resources, Morningstar, and the like. For about a year and a half before I retired (and for the first time ever), we used a flat fee advisor we got through New Retirement (the excellent online planning program). He kicked the tires on our plan and answered our questions, and he was the one who suggested we look into those defined maturity bond funds. His flat fee was very reasonable (a flat $375/quarter) and was exactly what we wanted. Having gotten that advice, we decided we do not need that resource anymore (so we are back to zero fees other than very low-cost ETFs/mutual funds).
Long term care is a big issue for sure, and very personal in many respects based on each person thinking about health risks, family experience, risk tolerance, etc. We have decided to self-fund rather than get LTC insurance, but there are good reasons to look into insurance. We have not segregated funds for self-funding, though I sometimes think of our second home as a form of LTC insurance (with the thought that if one or both of us needs long term care, then we likely won’t be using a second home like we do now), but that’s really just a mental game. If we get to that point, we will have decisions to make about how best to fund our needs.
A SPIA makes a lot of sense for some people, especially if you are concerned about a shortfall for the surviving spouse. Like everyone, I worry about underfunding (and we do not have a pension or any other defined benefit plan like some do), but we did not feel that an annuity made sense for us.
Congrats John! I too am a retired attorney and avid WCI reader, here are a couple of suggestions for you. You might want to consider attending Bogleheads, it features the best of the best in personal finance. It is their pro bono work. If you are lucky you will get to meet Katie. The biggest surprise of my retirement has been vigorous physical exercise, including spin. Read Younger Next Year if you haven’t. As to LTC, something you might consider is health care expense deductibility of those expenses against income from traditional IRA withdrawals. Christine Benz has some good work on that. Also you can use the time now to get in front of Medicare elections. Curiously it does not appear to be a WCI focus. If you haven’t started, you might want to check out a seminar sponsored by a local hospital or medical group, which was very helpful for us.
Any interest in submitting a post on “Medicare elections”? I confess to not knowing much about them.
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