By Dr. James M. Dahle, WCI Founder
Reporting the Backdoor Roth IRA properly on Turbotax is unfortunately even more complicated than filling out Form 8606 by hand. The key to doing it right is to recognize that you report the conversion step in the Income section but your report the contribution step in the Deductions and Credits section. Since you generally do the income section first, you report the conversion before you report the contribution, even though you actually did the contribution before the conversion. At the end, you want to look at the Form(s) 8606 that Turbotax generates, just like you would check up on one filled out by an accountant.
Step 1: Reporting the IRA Conversion Step in Turbotax
Let's start at the very beginning and walk you through step by step. I'll be using Turbotax Home and Business 2019, but honestly, this hasn't changed in years and probably won't change for years. You will also probably want to use the download (desktop) version instead of the online version. If for no other reason, I find the “forms mode” to be super valuable. Also remember that this walkthrough assumes you did the Backdoor Roth IRA process “correctly” in the “normal” way, i.e., made a $6K contribution during the calendar year and did a $6K conversion immediately afterward. You'll need to make a few changes on your own if that isn't true. If you did not make your conversion correctly, you'll want to read through these posts:
How to Do a Backdoor Roth IRA Ultimate Guide
How to Fix Backdoor Roth IRA Screw-Ups
Now, let's dig in and get started.
First, you'll need to go to the personal section.
Then the income section.
In general, it's best to use Turbotax like a pro and move around it as you need to rather than going through all of their long lists of questions. If you get stuck, you can use the “guide me” option. But for now, check “I'll choose what I work on.”
Now you're on the Turbotax income menu. Scroll down to the Retirement Plans and Social Security section and click on the start button next to IRA, 401(k), Pension Plans (1099-R) line.
Vanguard sends us 1099s each year, so I'll check the box yes and hit continue.
The import feature from Turbotax is very nice, particularly for big long complicated lists of taxable account transactions. But a quick 1099 is no biggie. I can enter it faster manually than download it. I just pull out my 1099-R from Vanguard. . .
Yes, I know it's a 2020 1099. No big deal. The 2019 one looked exactly the same and so will the form for 2021. Note that there are a few cents reported in boxes 1 and 2. Feel free to round those to the nearest dollar on your taxes.
Now you just input that information into Turbotax. Click the first button on this page and hit continue.
Just transfer the information over. Box 2b deserves special attention. If Vanguard (or whoever) didn't check that box, then they had better have left box 2a blank or put a $0 in it. If not, have them correct the 1099. In general, you'll have a 2 in box 7 and the IRA box afterward should be checked too.
If you filled out the prior page right, this page should look about like this. Just hit continue.
It's not an inherited IRA, so you click the no box and continue on.
Since you didn't take the money out and buy a sailboat with it, click the first button. Since it was a Roth conversion, you click the second button in answer to the second question and hit continue.
If you are married, filing Married Filing Jointly, and your spouse is also doing a Backdoor Roth IRA, instead of hitting continue, hit “Add Another 1099-R” and go back through the previous questions to enter the information from your spouse's 1099-R.
You'll eventually come back to the same page. Now hit continue. Turbotax will ask you a few more questions.
Just hit “No, I didn't” and click continue.
Next, it asks about non-deductible contributions. Note that you'll see this question when you get to the contribution section too. Click yes and continue.
If you're doing your Backdoor Roth IRA “correctly” in the “normal” way, your basis at the end of the prior year should be $0. If yours isn't for some reason, put in your basis (i.e., non-deductible money put into the traditional IRA but not converted out of the IRA). Then hit continue.
This is an important box to get right, and it's important to make it zero too! This line goes directly to line 6 of Form 8606. If this number isn't $0, you're going to have your conversion pro-rated. Fill it in accurately, then hit continue.
Okay, you're now done with entering the conversion step into Turbotax. You're back on the Income Menu in Turbotax. If you scroll down to the Retirement Plan and Social Security section you'll see $6,000 ($12,000 if you did a Backdoor Roth IRA for your spouse too) next to the IRA, 401(k), Pension Plans (1099-R) line.
Step 2: Reporting the IRA Contribution Step in Turbotax
Now let's do the contribution step. First, let's go to the Deductions and Credits menu by clicking on Deductions and Credits at the top. Then click on “I'll choose what I want to work on.” You're now on the Deductions and Credits Menu.
Scroll down to the Retirement and Investments section and then click on the “Start” button next to the Traditional and Roth IRA Contributions Line.
It'll take you to this page.
If you're filing Single, it'll only give you one column of boxes, but if you're filing MFJ, there will be a column for you and your spouse. Click the traditional IRA boxes for each of you. Remember you're contributing to a traditional IRA, not a Roth IRA. Then hit continue.
Click no to go to the next page.
Presumably, you put in the maximum $6,000. If you're 50+, that could be $7,000 [in 2021]. Fill the box out accurately, then hit continue.
This question is asking about recharacterizations, discussed above. If you're doing your Backdoor Roth IRA correctly, you'll answer this one “no” to go to the next page.
This question is asked because Turbotax is trying to discover if your IRA contribution is deductible. There is an income limit on IRA contribution deductions if your income is above a certain amount. Just answer the question truthfully, yes or no to move on.
You'll get the same question for your spouse if any.
If you contributed too much to an IRA in the past, here's where you report that. Most will just click “no” here and move on.
Next, Turbotax will ask you the same three questions about basis and amount in the IRA at the end of the previous year that it asked at the end of the conversion section. Make sure you answer them the same way! Don't worry that they were asked twice. That's normal. Then, if married, Turbotax will take you back through all the same questions about your spouse from the “repayment of a retirement distribution” on down. Once you answer all of those, you end up here.
Two things I want you to notice on this page. First, you, as a high earner, get no IRA deduction despite contributing $6,000-$12,000 to IRAs for the year. So that is $0. Second, now that you've entered your conversion and contribution, the amount of tax due as calculated by Turbotax in the upper left (“Federal Refund $0”) hasn't changed. That shows you that you did the whole process correctly. There should be no additional tax due from contributing to an IRA indirectly via the Backdoor Roth IRA process. Hit continue and you'll go back to the Deductions and Credits menu.
Scroll down to the Retirement and Investments section and make sure that you have a $6,000 (or $12,000) on the Traditional and Roth IRA Contributions line.
If you're really neurotic, and you have the downloaded version of Turbotax, you can double-check you did it right by going to Forms Mode (button in the upper left of the screen). Once there, you can click on your Form(s) 8606 to make sure you did it right.
Now you can see Turbotax's version of Form 8606. It's okay that it looks slightly different from the official IRS form. The IRS doesn't care. Remember if you did a spousal Backdoor Roth IRA to check both 8606s. The most important lines to check are lines 15c and 18. If you did the Backdoor Roth IRA correctly, these should both be $0. If they're $1 or $5, that's okay. If it's $6,000, you entered it into Turbotax incorrectly and need to start over.
Note that Turbotax uses the “Taxable IRA Distribution Wkst (per IRS Pub. 590-B)” to fill out this form. This is a bit of a gray area as to whether to do that or to simply go down the 8606 form. If you go through the worksheet, there will be nothing on 8606 lines 6-12. Either way, no biggie, as long as lines 15c and 18 are correct. If you care, this is what that worksheet looks like:
Amazingly, it looks a whole lot like lines 5-12 of Form 8606! Turbotax also has a version of this you can look at in Forms Mode. Here's what it looks like for our example:
Incidentally, if you have screwed this up and you're not getting what you want and you just want to start over, all you need to do is delete all the applicable forms in Forms mode. The most important ones to delete are the “IRA Contrib Wks” and the “IRA Info Wks.” Just click on the form and you'll find there's a delete button at the bottom on a PC but you need to go under the Forms menu on a Mac and select “Remove [name of form].” Then you can go back to the top and follow my instructions.
Hope this was helpful.
If you have a question about the Backdoor Roth IRA and not Turbotax specifically, you should FIRST read this very in-depth Backdoor Roth IRA Tutorial before asking your question in the comments below. I promise you there is a 99% chance your question is answered there.
Any questions? Is this the process you follow on Turbotax? Why or why not? Comment below!
Thanks so much for putting this together! SO helpful to have the screen shots and step-by-step instructions. I really appreciate this resource.
I’m trying to file on freetaxusa.com and I think I did things wrong for the backdoor roth… Form 8606 is showing
Line 1: 6000
Line 2:
Line 3: 6000
Line 4:
Line 5: 6000
Lines 6-12 are all blank except there’s an “x” in line 10 in the preview file
Line 13: 6000
Line 14:
Line 15a: 86
Line 15b:
Line 15c: 86
Line 16: 6000
Line 17: 5323
Line 18 (taxable amount): 677
Any idea what I did wrong and how to fix this?
Not sure what you did wrong. What did you actually do (I’m not asking what you entered in the computer, but what you actually did) Why is your basis only $5,323? If freetaxusa has a forms mode look for a worksheet.
I think the problem arose because of the income I reported as a distribution from an inherited IRA. This is the worksheet they provided (link below). $763 was the value of the RMD I took from my inherited IRA. I was under the impression that that distribution shouldn’t affect the backdoor Roth. Any ideas what to do?
https://imgur.com/Z65E3fV
Well, you have to pay tax on that RMD.
But something still seems off. Inherited IRA information doesn’t go on Form 8606. Go back and make sure you’re entering the inherited IRA RMD properly. I think that’s the issue.
I’ll look into it! The funny part is, it doesn’t seem to be affecting the amount of tax I owe. I also filled out my information on another tax software OLT, and on there the 8606 looks right but I end up owing the same amount of tax on the 1040.
This was a huge help and I could follow w the slight differences in TurboTax Premier (2021). Better than the TT help for sure. Thanks!
Hello there,
This is the best tutorial out there with screenshots as well. Thanks for posting it. I will start with my situation which is the easiest. Everything done in 2021. Have used HR Block for several years, but changed to TurboTax due to Crypto, but that is another story…..
1. Mine: Don’t have any traditional IRAs. Performed a backdoor Roth IRA contribution of 7K for 2020 in April 2021. Moved funds from Trad. IRA to Roth immediately. Found out later on your YouTube channel last year actually that this was not clean as it would be best to do it in the same year due to paperwork. Filled out 8606 as part of 2020 taxes. Another backdoor Roth IRA of 2K in December 2021, this time for 2021. Based on what I saw/read I have a basis of 7K. I think I have under control form 8606 with the two lines showing zero under taxable.
2. Wife’s: A bit more complicated and it is where I am having doubts/questions as to how to show it correctly in TurboTax.
Wife had 7,5K on a Traditional IRA. We rollover this to a Roth IRA from Merrill Edge to Vanguard around February/March in 2021. We did this in preparation to backdoor Roth contributions/conversions as my wife didn’t have any other Traditional IRAs that might get us in pro-rata rule type situation. I am aware we have to pay taxes on the rollover.
Then after the rollover was in place, we performed a Backdoor Roth IRA contribution of 7K for 2020 done in April 2021 for her. Moved funds from Trad. IRA to Roth immediately. Filled out 8606 as part of 2020 taxes. Another backdoor Roth IRA of 5K in December 2021, this time for 2021.
For myself I received 1099-R with lines 1 and 2a as 9K with checks on Taxable amount not determined and Total distribution. Line 7 shows 2-Early distribution (except Roth IRA).
Received 1099-R from Vanguard for my wife’s totaling 19.5K with checks on Taxable amount not determined and Total distribution. Line 7 as 2-Early distribution (except Roth IRA). I was expecting to receive something from Merrill for the rollover but haven’t gotten anything. TurboTax also stated during the process that I needed to break out the rollover from this 19.5K, so I created two 1099-Rs. One for 12K, and another one for 7.5 but this time I selected Line 7 as H-Direct rollover of a designated Roth for the latter. Not sure if this is the correct approach, and what should I expect on forms 8606 and 1040 to show up for this specific case. Based on what I seen the software is calculating to my expectations, but I still have doubts.
Does breaking out the 1099-R make sense? Should I start with the rollover first? Any expectations on how this rollover might show up or not on form 8606? I know it has to show up on 1040. Any instructions out there on how to capture rollovers in Turbo Tax?
Thanks so much in advance for your time.
Ozzie
So it’s giving you the answer you expect but you’re unhappy for some reason. Personally, I think that’s the best check. This post should help you compare the forms:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/backdoor-roth-ira-tutorial/
Basically, if you’re only paying tax on the pre-tax money you converted you did it right.
Hi, I contributed $12,000 in 2020 and followed the late contribution steps for backdoor IRA to a t but I kept getting an error saying that I had an excess $6k contribution and there would be a penalty.
Using the turbotax, I noticed there were extra prompt for me at the end.
“Choose Not to Deduct IRA Contributions- Do you want to make your IRA contribution nondeductible?” The options are Yes- make part of my IRA contribution nondeductible or No- I’ll keep my deduction (recommended).
If I choose Yes, it requires me to input the “Amount of Your contribution to make nondeductible”. When I chose Yes and put $6000, the final IRA deduction came out to $0.
I’m not sure if this was the correct way but got the last IRA deduction to get to $0.
Is this still a correct step? Thank you for your continued guidance. -Maria
Is your income low enough that your IRA contributions are deductible? If so, you didn’t need to do a Backdoor Roth IRA at all. You could have just contributed directly. If you got a deduction on your 2020 taxes, you’ll have to pay taxes on the conversion.
Until we know that, it’s hard to figure out what to tell you to do with your tax software which adds yet another step of complexity.
No, I contributed to a traditional IRA first and did a back door Roth conversion to Roth due to high income. I’ve done part 1 of form 8606 last year and now doing part 1 and part 2 this year.
My 8606 form from last year line 2 says “0” but your example suggests to put base as “6000”.
I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong?
Last year’s line 2 is zero but line 14 is $6K. This year line 2 will be $6K and line 14 will be $0. Right?
Last year’s 8606
Line 1 6000
Line 2 0
Line 3 6000
Line 14 6000
2021 Form 1099-R: gross distribution 12K
This year’s 8606
Line 1 6000
Line 2 6000
Line 3 12K
Line 5 12K
Line 8 12K
Line 11 12K
Line 13 12K
Line 14 0
Line 16 12K
Line 17 12K
How does that sound? Thank you again for your input. Greatly appreciate it!
Seems right to me, but I don’t care too much so long as line 15c and 18 are $0.
Hello,
I contributed $6k to Roth for both 2020 and 2021 in April of last year and realized my MAGI was too high so recharacterized $4260 for 2020 and $6k for 2021 to traditional and then converted these back to Roth. My 1099-R shows gains that should be taxed, but I cannot get this to show in TurboTax.
What gains? Why are there gains? You lost money with one and didn’t gain anything with the other. There shouldn’t be any gains.
My 1099-R shows a distribution of $10300 vs $10260 ($4260 + $6000). Initially I contributed $6k to Roth for 2020 and 2021 in April 2021. Realized in May my MAGI was too high for full Roth contribution and recharacterized $4260 for 2020 and $6000 for 2021. Then converted back. The conversion was complete while there was gains on the original contributions.
I’m not sure how to get Turbotax to show your gains other than by answering the questions correctly when Turbotax asks them. I think you’re saying there is a $40 gain but I can’t quite tell. As far as the taxes go, after a recharacterization, the IRS treats it as though it was originally contributed to a traditional IRA. So the 2020 contribution gets reported on your 2020 8606. Your 2021 contribution and your conversion gets reported on your 2021 8606. Did you go back and amend your 2020 taxes? Maybe that’s the issue that you’re trying to report a 2020 contribution on your 2021 taxes?
hello! I tried to see how Backdoor Roth IRA would apply to our MFJ return, and at the end of the process, TTax would report this is not possible neither for me (engineer) or my wife (teacher) as our AGI is above the limit AND we both have a retirement plans from work (401k and 403 respectively) <– the issue
May be you want to highlight that in your instructions, since this very interesting website may attract others too 😉
After reading the main thread (How to…) I noticed your answer to the last question posted there….
To summarize, we won’t be able to reduce our taxable income this year by $6k ($12k) b/c of combined MFJ AGI over limit AND both spouses having retirement plans from work….
so the benefit of opening the IRA and doing the conversion would be “Tax-free growth forever” of that account as you answered there. Still not clear to me the advantage (assuming my employer allows after tax contributions + mega back door Roth).
The advantage compared to what? Compared to a taxable account? Tax-free growth forever. Compared to a non-deductible IRA? Tax-free growth forever. Compared to a MBDR? No real advantage. But I’d try to do both.
Sounds like you’re not entering the data right. High earners are allowed to do a traditional IRA contribution and a roth conversion but not a direct Roth contribution.
I contributed $6000 to Roth IRA in 2020. In May 2021, I realized I am not eligible for Roth IRA due to MAGI limits.
In May, 2021 I recharacterized $6000 to Traditional IRA. The recharacterized amount was $6845 due to gains.
Then I did traditional IRA to Roth IRA converstion in May 2021 of $6784.
I am filing taxes for 2021 now. I received two 1099-R.
1. Roth recharacterization of $6845 to Traditional IRA
2. Traditional IRA to Roth IRA conversion of $6784
For tax year 2020, I filed 8606 with total basis for $6000, so I guess I can ignore 1099-R for Roth recharacterization of $6845 to Traditional IRA.
For 2021 tax, I filled based on your inputs here. I still dont see $784 in 4b (Taxable IRA distributions)of Form 1040. What am I missing?
Not sure. What does the 8606 show?
1. 2250
2. 6000
3. 8250
5. 8250
13. 6784
14. 1466
15a 0, 15b 0, 15c0
16. 6784
17.6784
18.0
I think $2250 in line one is increasing the available basis to $8250 in line 3. Thus the taxable amount is zero.
I contributed $2250 between January 1, 2021, through April 18, 2021 into Roth IRA of 2021. I recharacterized to traditional IRA and converted to Roth this week(April 2022). So, If my understand correctly,
1. I will receive a 1099-R for $2250 conversion next year(2022). I think the $784 will be taken care of in the next year(2022) Form 8606.
Let me know if my understanding is correct.
This year’s 8606
Line 1 2250
Line 2 6000
Line 3 8250
Line 5 8250
Line 13 6784
Line 14 1466
Line 15c 0
Line 16 6784
Line 17 6784
Line 18 0
I think $2250 in line 1 increases the allowed available basis to $8250. The $2250 in Line 1 is the Roth IRA 2022 contributions made between January 1, 2021, through April 18, 2021. I recharacterized $2250 to traditional IRA and converted back to Roth this week (April 2022). So, If I understand correctly,
1. I will receive 1099-R for roth conversion to file for 2022 tax returns
2. $784 will be taxed in 2022 tax return, since my 2021 remaining basis is $1466 instead of $2250.
Correct me if I understanding is wrong.
So which one is the 2020 8606 and which one is the 2021 8606?
You aren’t filling out a 2022 8606 yet, so any conversion done in 2022 should not be reported on either your 2020 or 2021 8606. Why are you reporting a conversion you did in 2022 on your 2021 tax return. All you should be reporting are contributions, no?
I honestly can’t tell what’s going on though because you’re not being very precise/accurate. For instance, you’re telling me you did a 2022 IRA contribution in 2021, which is not legal. I suspect you’re confusing what goes on different 8606s and putting the wrong stuff into the wrong year and that’s what’s causing your problems.
Sorry, updated the errors in my previous reply, here is the exact timeline of events
1. I contributed $6000 to Roth IRA in 2020.
2. In May 2021, I realized I am not eligible for Roth IRA due to MAGI limits. In May, 2021 I recharacterized $6000 to Traditional IRA. The recharacterized amount was $6845 due to gains.Then I did traditional IRA to Roth IRA converstion in May 2021 of $6784.
3. I am filing taxes for 2021 now. I received two 1099-R.
1. Roth recharacterization of $6845 to Traditional IRA
2. Traditional IRA to Roth IRA conversion of $6784
4. For tax year 2020, I filed 8606 with total basis for $6000, so I guess I can ignore 1099-R for Roth recharacterization of $6845 to Traditional IRA.
5. For 2021 tax returns, my Form 8606 looks as below.
2021 Form 8606
Line 1 2250 // The $2250 in Line 1 is the Roth IRA 2021 contributions made between January 1, 2021, through April 18, 2021.
Line 2 6000 // Basis from 2020 Form 8606
Line 3 8250
Line 5 8250
Line 13 6784
Line 14 1466
Line 15c 0
Line 16 6784
Line 17 6784
Line 18 0
6. Recharacterized $2250 of 2021 Roth contributions to traditional IRA and converted back to Roth this week (April 2022).
I think $2250 in line 1 increases the allowed available basis to $8250 in 2021 Form 8606. That is why I dont see $784 in 4b (Taxable IRA distributions)of 2021 Form 1040 So, If I understand correctly,
1. I will receive 1099-R for $2250 roth conversion later, and I will use it in tax returns of 2022.
2. $784 will be taxed in 2022 tax return, since my 2021 remaining basis is $1466 (Line 14 of 2021 Form 8606) instead of $2250.
Correct me if I understanding is wrong.
I’m still lost and can’t get past line 1. Did you really only contribute $2250 for your 2021 IRA contribution instead of $6K? Why? Just didn’t have the cash?
Yes, I contributed just 2250 for year 2021, was short of cash this year.
I really don’t understand why people make this SOOOOO complicated. Who is giving them instructions on actually doing the 8606? Contributions. Then gains. Then contributions to wrong accounts. Then recharacterizations and reconversions and different contributions. When you actually follow directions, your 8606 looks exactly the same every year and is very straight forward!
All right, let’s see if we can sort out the paperwork for your mess even though I’m still not entirely clear on everything you did and when. We’ll go line by line.
1. You contributed $2250 for 2021. So that’s $2,250
2. Your basis from your contribution the year before that you didn’t convert during that year is $6K. So $6,000.
3. Just a math problem. $8,250.
4. I don’t know when you contributed the $2,250, but presumably this is $0.
5. A math problem. $8,250
Now at this point I prefer to go down Form 8606. But some people prefer using a worksheet. Turbotax prefers the worksheet, so since you’re doing this on Turbotax, that’s what is showing up. But I’m going down the Form. You should end up in the same place.
6. I think you said you didn’t get pro-rated, so this should be $0. Your balances were $0 at year end, right?
7. $0 presumably
8. You converted $6,784, so that goes here.
9. Math problem. $6,784
10. Math problem. 1
11. $6,784
12. $0
13. $6,784
14. Math problem. $1466
15a. $0
15b. $0
15c. $0
16. $6784
17. $6784
$18. 0
Looks like yours so I guess it’s okay. Double check line 6.
Thank you so much for this! Q: i filled out all the sections for the backdoor conversion to Roth but the print center is not showing form 8606. The 6k is showing up on P1 of 1040 with zero being taxable and there’s a statement for the conversion but no form 8606. Do you know what might be causing this?
No idea. Bizarre. But I also have no idea about any of what you’ve put into Turbotax. Maybe you didn’t need to do a Backdoor Roth IRA or something. Dunno.
Dr. Dahle,
Thank you very much for your website. I have found it to be incredibly helpful.
Thanks,
Srini
Dr. Dahle,
Thank you very much for your website. I have found it to be very helpful.
I am now filing my 2021 Tax returns ( filed for extension because I am trying to sort out how to fill in backdoor IRA details on my 2021 return ).
https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/entering-importing/help/how-do-i-enter-a-backdoor-roth-ira-conversion/00/25567
The above link from Turbotax says the below.
You’ll receive a Form 1099-R with code 2 in box 7 (or code 7 if you’re over 59 ½) in the year you make your Roth conversion. You should report your conversion for the year you receive this 1099-R:
There are 2 Steps –
Step 1: Enter the Non-Deductible Contribution to a Traditional IRA
Step 2: Enter the Conversion from a Traditional IRA to a Roth IRA
— If you received this form in 2021, complete both steps below to report it on your 2021 taxes
— If you’ll receive this form in 2022, wait to report it on your 2022 taxes. In this case, only complete Step 1 below for your 2021 taxes. You’ll complete both steps next year when filing your taxes for 2022
I have made the traditional IRA contribution around April 1 2022, then Roth conversion after 3 days.
The contribution was for Year 2021 which I could do before the tax day Apr 18,2022.
I am now filing my 2021 Tax returns ( filed for extension because I am trying to sort out the IRA )
so – as per TurboTax, should I do only step 1 alone
As in Step 1: Enter the Non-Deductible Contribution to a Traditional IRA
TT suggests to do step 2 in 2022.
Step 2: Enter the Conversion from a Traditional IRA to a Roth IRA
When I go through your replies to other questions, I understand that you seem to suggest to do both the steps in the 2021 return itself – even though the 1099-R might not come until Jan 2023.
Can you please clarify.
Note – I plan to do the 2022 Year contribution in May 2022. I hope I will not have this problem when I file 2022 tax return because I will get the 1099-R by Jan 2023.
Can you please help me with the question for YR 2021 tax return.
Thanks,
Srini Mura
On your 2021 taxes that you are filing this year in 2022, you report any contributions you made for the 2021 tax year (even if made in 2022) and any conversions you did during the calendar year 2021.
On your 2022 taxes that you will file next year, you report any contributions that you made for the 2022 tax year (even if made in 2023) and any conversions you did during the calendar year 2022.
Does that make sense? If you’re not getting a 1099-R until 2023, why would you report what it says on your 2021 taxes? How would you even know what it says?
Dr. Dahle,
Thanks for the wonderful website. How do we handle brokerage bonus? I participated in the Fidelity offer creating a traditional IRA and deposited $100 so far for the $150 new account bonus. I will be converting to Roth IRA before the year ends.
How do deal with this promotional bonus job terms of tax? Should I just use 1099-INT and keep the basis at 0 on 8608?
Can I still put in another $5,900 which makes my balance $6150 or should I only deposit another $5,750 and keep the balance at $6,000?
TIA!
That’s considered earnings/gain in the account, not a contribution. So if goes into the traditional IRA, and then you convert it, you’ll need to pay taxes on the bonus when you convert it. But you can still put $6K in there. So $5900 more, then convert $6150, and pay taxes on $150.
Thanks Dr. Dahle!
Do you know if the tax is just via 1099-INT or would this affect pro-rata basis? Fidelity won’t be sending any tax form for the promotion amount. Also, this is my first time having IRA accounts (traditional + Roth) and this promotional offer is the only issue I’m dealing with in regards to pro rata.
Neither. It would show up as income from a Roth IRA conversion. You don’t get prorated because you converted it. It doesn’t show up on a 1099-INT because it isn’t interest. I’d expect it to show up on a 1099-R.
Just convert it all to Roth, knowing you’ll owe a little tax on it, and it’ll all work out fine when you go to report it on your taxes.
Firstly thank you for all the support and comments. I am in similar boat. I contributed $6000 to IRA through fidelity but I received dividend or interest during transfer and it became $6002.47. I converted entire amount to Roth IRA. How can I ensure proper reporting In TurboTax for additional amount over the limit. Kindly share any specific instructions you have for this scenarios.
Just put in $6002 when it asks how much you converted.
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/pennies-and-the-backdoor-roth-ira/
I have completed a back door Roth every year for the last several years. The contributions have always been done in the January through April time frame for the previous calendar year taxes. I convert them shortly thereafter.
I would like to contribute and convert twice in 2023. One for the 2022 tax year and one for the 2023 tax year so that in future years the contribution and conversion will fall in the same tax year. This should be cleaner going forward.
What tips or guidance would you offer for this transitional year? I am a TurboTax user. Thank you for the useful information.
Sounds like you understand the process just fine. Your 2022 8606 will report your 2022 contribution and your “2021” conversion (done in 2022). Your 2023 8606 will report your 2023 contribution and your “2022” and “2023” conversions done in 2023. Your 2024 8606 will report your 2024 contribution and your “2024” conversion done in 2024.
Hope that helps.
I’m having an issue following TurboTax’s step by step online instructions (https://ttlc.intuit.com/turbotax-support/en-us/help-article/retirement-benefits/enter-backdoor-roth-ira-conversion/L7gGPjKVY_US_en_US)
I’m not getting step 10 for the online version prompt to appear at all “When you reach the Choose Not to Deduct IRA Contributions screen, select Yes, make part of my IRA contribution nondeductible”
I’d try the turbotax help line. Sounds like a software issue and I don’t have any special insight there.
Thanks for the prompt response! Even though I didn’t figure that out, I think I have what I need by redoing your steps. One follow up question I have: After I added my 1099-R and put in the amount ($6K) and then do the next step of reporting the deduction, I got asked the same question as the first step about “Any nondeductible contributions to your IRA” in prior years and I said “Yes” again – is that right?
It’s talking about a year before the tax return you’re currently doing. So if you did a non-deductible contribution in 2021 and you’re working on your 2022 taxes, the answer is yes. If you first did a non-deductible contribution in 2022 and you’re working on your 2022 taxes, the answer is no.
“Did you change your mind” section regarding recharacterization…
it says “tell us if you switched or recharacterized t-IRA to Roth IRA”
What if I recharacterized from Roth IRA –> t-IRA since I did not know my income went over the limit? in this case, do I click yes or no?
Yes. If you recharacterized then you answer the question yes.
Hi,
I’ve followed this blog post of yours for several years and never had any issues. In early 2022, I put in 6K for me and 7K for my husband in a tIRA and then a week later moved the money into our roth IRAs. My MAGI this year was 211K$. I’m now doing our taxes and this year in Turbo Tax it says my husband can deduct 1520$ out of the 7K$ of his IRA contribution. He earns no income. I do and have an employee sponsored retirement plan. When I check our 1040 form it says that 1520$ of the total 13K we have contributed to our IRAs is taxable. We have never been able to deduct our IRA contributions in the past because I earn too much. Is this a mistake? Is there something I need to change in TT? (I do get the option to NOT take this deduction but TT doesn’t recommend that). It seems like the 1520$ is a deduction but it’s listed in taxable on the 1040 form so I’m very confused and am not sure if this deduction is helping or hurting us in terms of how much taxes we need to pay. Any help/guidance would be much appreciated. This blog post in general has been so helpful for me- I look at it every year at tax time. Thank you!
-Nicole
No. No big deal. You get a $1,520 deduction and pay taxes on $1,520 for the conversion. It all works out the same.
Ok, great. Will I need to enter the difference of 5480$ as a non-deductible contribution in turbotax next year when I do my 2023 taxes? Usually I enter nothing for that part. Thanks again!
I’m not sure that’s correct. When you enter contributions, you put in the amount of the contribution. This post may help:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/ira-recharacterizations/
My 1099-R has Distribution Code “N” in Box 7 because Schwab “recharacterized” it on their end so I guess they made sure that was on the 1099-R (I’m assuming). So when entering this, Turbo Tax does not put it on form 8606. I would think it would need to show up on Form 8606, but it doesn’t.
Recharacterizations themselves do not show up on 8606 except as contributions. Basically, tax-wise it’s as though you contributed it to a traditional IRA in the first place.
Thank you so much for this super helpful article. I need to figure out if I should amend my return due to a mistake made filling out 2022 return with turbotax.
We contributed $7k to Trad IRA and converted all of it to Roth IRA before the end of 2022. Because the money in the Trad IRA wasn’t available until a few days later to convert, I has some interest gain of $0.74. When I was filling out our taxes using turbotax I made de mistake to check the box that said that “we didn’t track non-deductible contributions” because this is what we did the previous year when we had zero in the Trad IRA by the end of the year. Because of that mistake I wasn’t asked about the basis and after filling out and submitting our taxes our 8606 looked like this:
Line 1: $7000
Line 2: 0
Line 3: $7000
Line 4: blank
Line 5: $7000
Line 6-12: blank
Line 13: $6,999
Line 14: 1
Line 15a,c: 0
Line 15b: blank
Line 16: $7000
Line 17: $6,999
Line 18: $1
What should I do? Instead of showing a $1 gain it reads as if we didn’t convert all of the money and left $1 from our contributions in the trad IRA. Should I submit an amended form? Or if I don’t do anything then my next year’s return will have a $1 in line 2 (according to whats you said in one article) so how I correct this problem? Our 1099R shows that everything was converted so the mistake was in the way we answered Turbotax prompts.
I think the right way to enter the info would have been to say that we did track non-deductible contributions, that our basis were zero, and that the value of all of our trad IRA by Dec 31, 2022 was $0.74. Right? But now it’s too late to correct it since we already filed the taxes.
Thank you sooo much for any help you can provide.
I wouldn’t check that box. I would worry that would make the entire contribution taxable I bet. You did track it. The entire contribution was non-deductible.
I don’t think I’d amend though because the 8606 ends with the right numbers and that’s really the important thing.
I did my first backdoor Roth in 2022. I’m currently doing my taxes in TurboTax and completed the federal reporting of the backdoor roth without issue (thanks very much to your post). I am now completing my Massachusetts state taxes and have run into a confusing screen:
“Your total federally taxable IRA/Keogh plan distributions received during 2022 are $6000. To determine the taxable amount for Massachusetts, enter the following information.
Other contributions previously taxed by Massachusetts:_____
Total distributions received in previous years:_____”
Massachusetts does not allow t-IRA contributions to be deducted. So my interpretation of this question is: “total federally taxable IRA plan distributions during 2022 are $6000” is the amount I converted from my t-IRA to my Roth IRA in 2022, and “other contributions previously taxed by massachusetts” is the total amount I have ever contributed to my t-IRA that massachusetts had previously taxed ($6000 in 2022, $12500 in 2023, etc in my case. Would be less *if* part of my t-IRA contributions came from income made in a different state). And the “total distributions received in previous years” refers to any amount previously taken directly out (not converted) of my t-IRA prior to the Roth conversion (e.g., if I’m 72 and still working, so still contributing to t-IRA but also taking out RMD). Basically, MA is determining if any of the Roth conversion amount is from gains made in the t-IRA (rather than basis) and thus should be taxed.
So, assuming I do my Backdoor Roth every year correctly (contribute the max amount to t-IRA, immediately convert total amount to Roth IRA) and continue to live and make all my income in MA, then every year I would fill this section out as follows: line 1 = total amount I have contributed to t-IRA ($6000 for 2022, $12500 for 2023, etc), and line 2 = 0 always until I reach RMD age.
Am I interpreting this correctly? I have played around with the numbers a lot in the actual tax form, and I believe this is correct, but would greatly appreciate any input. Thank you!!
I’m sorry I’m no expert on Turbotax much less filing in MA with it. However, I’ll see if I can help.
When I read that statement, I want to go back and look at the federal tax return to make sure I have not filed the 8606 wrong. I bet you have.
You just taught me that MA NEVER allows IRA contributions to be deducted. That was news to me this morning. What a stupid rule. This post may help to understand more about that situation:
https://www.marcumllp.com/insights/basis-in-iras-how-massachusetts-rules-may-differ#:~:text=Massachusetts%20does%20not%20allow%20an,a%20self%2Demployed%20retirement%20plan.
But your IRA contribution probably wasn’t deductible anyway if you’re doing a BD Roth IRA.
I like your plan, but I would watch the “tax owed line” to make sure it didn’t change as I put those numbers in.
Might be a great guest post too, “IRAs and Backdoor Roths in Massachusetts.”
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/contact/guest-post-policy/
I did a Backdoor Roth IRA through Vanguared. I was filling out the info and Box 16, which is State Distribution, had 6000.01 in it. I file in Utah. Turbotax asks for a Payer State ID number to put in to Box 13 , which is a 14 character number that appears to end in WTH. Have you run in to this? I can’t find the number on Vanguard’s website. On you example from above, there was no value in box 16. Is that new this year?
Thanks
I’ve left that number blank before with no issues. It really doesn’t matter unless you’re having Vanguard withhold state taxes for you or something.
First, thank you so much for your in-depth instructions. Your instructions are much better than TurboTax.
I’m working on my turbotax filing now.
When I complete Step 1 of reporting my conversion step, my turbotax estimate refund drops from $9100 to $7087. Am I doing something wrong or do I have to pay tax on the $6000 that I’m converting the backdoor IRA?
Thank you.
Rich
I wonder if your contribution was partially deductible. If your contribution was not, there should be no tax bill for the conversion.
The step saying “I converted all of this money to a ROTH IRA account” if no longer there, only the other options are available. Should we select the bottom option ” I did a combination of rolling over, converting, or cashing out the money”?
Thanks
Probably. I bet it’ll then let you choose 100%.
Late backdoor roth question. I contributed $6k in 2021 to a trad IRA, but didn’t convert to Roth IRA until early 2022. By then, the stock value in the trad IRA increased by $169. The 8606 for 2022 shows the increase in line 18. Is this correct or do I need to do something to make it 0?
1. 6000
2. 6000
3. 12000
5. 12000
13. 12000
16. 12169
17. 12000
18. 169
No, it’s correct. You owe taxes on $169 because you waited between the contribution and conversion.
Followup Q: I didn’t file an 8606 for the $6K 2021 trad IRA contribution. Since my 2022 8606 shows the $6K basis in line 2, do I still need to file an 8606 for 2021 (along with a 1040x)?