By Dr. James M. Dahle, WCI Founder
There are many financial bloggers and readers out there in the FIRE (Financial Independence Retire Early) community. A WCI forum post from a few years back got me thinking about this subject. The forum poster asked, “Why don't more MDs retire in their early 40s?” I answered that there were three main reasons:
- Most doctors aren't financially savvy enough (both knowledge and discipline) to have enough money relative to their expenses to retire that early.
- Most doctors like their job, their career, and their profession and didn't spend more than a decade learning how to do it just to quit as soon as they could. They truly weren't in it just for the money.
- Many people who are savvy enough to retire early simply would rather not make the financial sacrifices required to be financially independent that early in life.
Obviously, the main benefit of financial independence is having the choice to retire early. However, there are a number of other benefits to early financial independence, and that's what I'd like to discuss in this post. Before doing that, however, I'd like to take a minute to discuss why I'm still working.
Why I'm Not Retired
Financial independence got really squishy for our family when I originally wrote this post in 2017. It used to be a very hard and fast number. We even wrote it into our financial plan and indexed it to inflation. Back in 2006, it was $2 million (which is now closer to $3 million). Using the handy-dandy 4% rule (or suggestion, depending on how you feel about it) with a nest egg of $3 million, we felt we could spend about $120,000 a year, or about $10,000 a month. Our net worth now significantly exceeds that number. According to our original written financial plan, I suppose we're now the big winners—and more than a decade earlier than planned (we officially became FI in 2018 or 2019). Yay us! So why was FI so squishy at first?
There were two reasons.
First, a large part of our net worth is now tied up in the value of The White Coat Investor. Illiquid is an understatement. However the return on this “investment,” even subtracting out a reasonable figure for our time, is better than the expected return of any other investment we have. Why sell something with a 15%-40% yield (depending on how you value it) and significant potential capital gains just to invest in something with an expected return of 7%-8%?
Second, it's squishy because we started spending more money. We spend $15,000-$20,000 a month. That doesn't include taxes and charitable contributions either. [We paid off the mortgage in 2017.]
Is this some sort of weird financial disaster? No. It was a conscious decision to loosen the purse strings. Could we have spent less than $180,000 a year [or $150,000 a year in our post-mortgage life]? Sure. We'd done it for many, many years. But when considered from a budgetary perspective, does spending such a small fraction of a rising income seem so bonkers? Not really. Barring an impending retirement, that seems pretty darn sustainable. And if it's not, at least we can console ourselves that we made hay while the sun was shining by saving something like 2/3 of our net income.
Work Matters
Why am I still working now, three years after we reached FI? Because I'm a workaholic. There I said it. Are you happy? Just kidding. But I do see work as an important part of my life.
In between my first and second year of medical school, I had a one-month mandatory class with the Air Force. On either side of that month, I had a month completely off. My wife was working and going to school, and we had no kids. We didn't have much money, but I had all the free time I could desire. I got a season pass to the university golf course (it was $32 for the whole summer, as I recall) and played most days. Then, I'd go home and play video games. Some days I'd go climbing or mountain biking. Guess what? By the time I'd done that for three of four weeks, it felt like work. It sucked all the joy out of my recreational activities. Weird, huh? I felt very purposeless and like I wasn't making a significant contribution to society. I didn't like that feeling at all. I did, however, manage to shoot one scratch round at our little nine-hole course—five birdies, three bogies, and a double-bogie. That never happened again.
I spent a grand total of 11 years in school and training to become an emergency doctor. Like many doctors in similar specialties, I've always been one to look at medicine as more of a job than a calling, although this concept is a spectrum. Some doctors might be 90% calling and 10% job, while others are 90% job and 10% calling.
I knew in medical school that I had many other interests outside of medicine and that I wasn't going to be happy being a resident for seven years or for working 80 60 40 hours a week for the rest of my life. But that didn't mean I didn't LOVE doing it for 20 or even 30 hours a week. It turns out there is really not much in my life I actually enjoy doing for more than 20 hours a week, but I've got a dozen things I could spend 10 hours a week doing and love every minute of it.
At any rate, it seems a waste to spend a large chunk of my life training to perform a valuable, much-needed service that I enjoy performing and then stop doing it completely as soon as I get good at it just because I had enough money to do so. (Studies tend to show doctors about a decade out of residency are the most competent, and patient preference surveys agree.)
My “other job” running the WCI Empire is also enjoyable to me and lends purpose to my life where I feel like I'm making a big difference in the lives of others. Why would I want to stop that?
Kids Matter, Too
Finally, I've got three school-age children and one about to graduate from high school. I would like to go on more adventure trips than I currently go on (I know it seems I already go on an insane number to some of you). However, it isn't money or time that is keeping me from going on more trips. It is that my wife doesn't want me leaving her home with the kids for 3-10 days at a time any more than I do now. [Don't give me crap: the year I originally wrote this, she went without me on three trips, including one to Finland, Sweden, Estonia, and Russia.]
Perhaps the most important thing I'm doing in my life right now is raising kids, which I also enjoy. I'll be 58 by the time my youngest gets out of the house. Given that I currently have two jobs I enjoy already, both of which pay me well, and given that I can't go on any more trips than I'm already going on and still take care of things that are more important to me than the trips, what would be the point in dropping work completely? Might as well keep working. It will allow me to have more money than planned to leave to my kids, give to charity, help others, pay toward the education of my children, spend in retirement, and spend now.
Plus I get to save a few lives, reassure a lot of anxious people, and help a whole bunch of docs stop doing dumb stuff with their money. Maybe I'll change my mind eventually, but it seems unlikely to me for now.
8 Things You Can Do with Financial Independence Besides Retire Early
#1 Lower Future Expenses
If you're financially independent, you can cancel your term life and disability insurance. That was $500 a month for me before I dumped my disability insurance in 2018, and I'm sure many of you are spending even more than that. You also could retire mortgage or student loan debt (if you haven't already) and possible future educational costs (by saving more now for them rather than cash-flowing them).
#2 Lower Risk
Dr. William Bernstein, author of The Investor's Manifesto, likes to say “When you've won the game, stop playing.” What he means by that is that when you acquire enough money to sustain yourself for the rest of your life, stop risking it. If you are financially independent but still working, you can dramatically lower the financial risks in your life by continuing to save and letting your investments compound—even if you use a less risky portfolio. You may go from a 4% withdrawal rate to a 2% withdrawal rate. Perhaps you can go from a 60% stock portfolio to a 40% stock portfolio. You don't have to invest on margin either. FI without RE can allow you to lower risk.
#3 Take Some Time Off
Who says retirement has to be a one-time activity? Why not do a bunch of mini-retirements throughout your career? If you're an academic, perhaps you can take an unpaid sabbatical. If you're a “gun-slinger” selling your services to the highest bidder, you can just stop accepting locums jobs for a few months or even a year, repeating as often as you like. If you're an employee, you can give your two weeks notice. Chances are good you can get another job in a few months. This one might be a little tricky if you have a private practice, but you could bring in a locums doc and have a nice, long, well-deserved vacation. You may find you miss work more than you think. Or you may find you don't miss it at all and decide that maybe early retirement really is for you.
#4 Go Part-Time
I guess I've done this one. Due to the rotating shifts, odd hours, lack of holidays, and high-paced work, most emergency physicians consider full-time to be a dozen 12-hour shifts or 15 8-to-9-hour shifts a month. In 2016, I went from 15 eights to 12 eights. What a marked improvement in lifestyle even that small change was! Imagine going half-time. I wonder how many burned-out doctors would fall in love with medicine again if they only worked half as much. I made that switch to half-time in 2018, and now I'm working six shifts a month.
#5 Drop Unpleasant Parts of Your Job
I did this one, too. I didn't just drop three random shifts in 2016. I dropped my three overnight shifts—you know, the ones that start at 10pm. Missing out on your entire anchor sleep is painful, and the patients who come to an ED at night are not the same as the ones who come to an ED during the day (more drug-related issues, more psych issues, more Medicaid patients, lower acuity, etc.). There was a significant loss of income because of this decision, since our group pays those overnight shifts the best (by far). But what an improvement in my practice and my lifestyle.
I got up at 7 or 8 most days energized to get things done. I lost 10 pounds and got myself in much better cardiovascular and muscular shape. No more DOMAs (Day Off My Arse—you know that day you worked until 6 or 8 am but are starting a transition back to day shifts). I get to go to bed the same time as my wife 27 out of 30 days a month (instead of more like 20 due to all the weird schedule flipping).
In your case, perhaps it is also dropping night shifts. Or perhaps you'd like to see patients at a slower pace. Or drop weekends. Or quit taking call. Or do less clinic or less obstetrics or less trauma. Whatever it is, financial independence could allow you to mold your practice into your ideal practice.
#6 Get a New Job
Sometimes, your job just sucks. But you need it because it pays more than a job that doesn't suck. Guess what? When you don't need the money, you can walk away and take the good job that pays less. Hanging around on FIRE blogs and forums sometimes made me wonder if many of those people just have sucky jobs. There's nothing quite like hating what you spend 40-60 hours a week doing that will motivate you to save 60% of your income.
#7 Change Careers
Maybe you realized medicine isn't your dream career after all. Unfortunately, it is the only way to pay off your student loans and that big mortgage you took out. And it's the only way to save enough to become financially independent any time soon. Once you reach financial independence, you can move into either a better job or an entirely different career. It may pay dramatically less; these are often called “encore careers.” Perhaps you would like to be a river guide or a host for a travel company. Or a ski instructor. Or a painter. Who knows? But if you don't have to work for money, you can do any job you like. Retirement is squishy anyway. Lots of people earn money while “in retirement.” Only the Internet Retirement Police care.
#8 Spend More
Imagine this scenario. You get to your financial independence number and realize you still like doing your job, which pays you very well. Now what? Well, now you start looking around to see if there are any ways you could spend money that might make you happier. Perhaps you can give more to charity. Perhaps you toss some more into your kids' 529 plans. Maybe you'd like to try heli-skiing. Or take your family on some expensive foreign trips. Or drive a Tesla instead of a Camry. Or renovate your home.
As long as these expenses are one-time, lump-sum expenses without an ongoing spending commitment, they won't affect your financial independence one bit. You probably ought to be a little careful about that hedonic treadmill, but it seems unlikely to me that someone with the financial knowledge and discipline to become financially independent in their 40s is going to get themself into financial trouble by loosening up a bit.
What do you think? What else can financial independence do for you besides allow you to retire early? Are you financially independent? If so, have you retired? Why or why not? If you are not financially independent, when do you expect to become so? Will you retire then? Comment below!
[This updated post was originally published in 2017.]
most docs would be lucky to reach FI by 65
Tasty, tasty caribou. Mmmm. I am surprised you don’t still live in Alaska! Best state!
I can relate to 8 things besides retiring early. I recently resigned from a high paying corporate job. Had a nice few month break. Now in the process of setting up a consulting company and working part time, when I feel like it. Its really nice to break free of FTE and work on your own terms.
This is a great post. About twice/year I’m triggered to re-evaluate my financial portfolio and end up spending the weekend reading advice websites… That’s what I’ve been doing the past couple of days.
I have to admit that I feel a bit baffled by the FIRE followers who basically brag about their ability to live long-term like misers, and annoyed by the constant scolding about living in HCOL areas. I think living like a resident for a few years after residency is great, but then why not expand your lifestyle in a sensible way?
At 38yo, my spouse (not in medicine) and I have paid off all debt except a mortgage, have a NW of ~$3M, live in a HCOL area w/ 3 kids (close to extended family), and — even though I guess we could certainly live off of 0.04% of our savings if we had to — are nowhere near retirement. I realize that that it’s because of the reasons you outlined in this post: I actually love my job, personally identify with being a physician, and am happy working and contributing my productivity to the economy (and setting an example for my kids). I’m sad for people who devoted so much to study medicine and now hate their profession! That said, I did also cut back to 0.6FTE last year (#4) and spend a lot of time pursuing other fun hobbies and spending time with the kids. My husband just took his dream job last year and can’t imagine retiring either. We love taking advantage of all of the culture and arts in our HCOL area (yes I spent >$1K on tickets to go see Hamilton!) and going out to eat at world-class restaurants once in a while (#8).
I hadn’t considered at what point I should stop paying expensive own-occupation disability insurance (#1), or when I should move more of my money out of stock indexes to more conservative holdings (#2)… but this is now food for thought.
A few things you could add as reasons not to retire: well-documented decline in health with retirement and lack of schedule/structure, example set for children (see nytimes article on advantages to children of parents working), and (for me) amazing health care/other benefits through work.
I’m in a unique situation where I had kids later in life at age 50. Despite my financial advisor always telling me to keep working (so I could put more money into funds that they manage), I decided to walk away from my practice at age 56, when my kids were age 6. I can tell you that I have NOT regretted that decision. I get to spend quality time with my kids and I’m involved in their lives in a way that I could never have been while in practice.
Don’t be afraid of retirement! I fired my financial advisor and moved some investments around and freed up a lot of cash flow, enabling me to walk away. And now I’m making almost as much as I was while in practice because I’ve learned to be a better investor. There’s no shortage of things to do daily. Heck, I barely have time to finish all the things on my “honey do” list! I realize the kids add a huge amount of “to do’s” to that list. But they keep me young and hopping.
For those who contemplate buying a RV, I did that! I bought a huge dually truck and a 34 foot fifth wheel. We’ve travelled around the western USA and western Canada the last few years. But my wife got sick of that lifestyle so I’m going to sell it all. Our next plan is to travel to Europe and Asia next summer with the kids, possibly spending about a month overseas. The rest of the time we’ll spend in Canada with the kids’ grandparents.
In the meantime, I’ve got a house to paint, a home theater to finish off, cars to sell, etc etc etc. Life is busy and fun! One of my business coaches told me “I’ve never had a doctor tell me that at the end of their careers that they regretted taking so much vacation”. So smell the roses!
Retired with Kids:
Could you advise on what you moved your investments to to be able to free up cash flow?
Thanks!
Maha
Wonderful that you’ve been able to find enough to do in retirement that you are
# 1 not bored
# 2 feeling fulfilled.
I doubt I’ll have any issues with # 1. I worry about # 2.
I was getting bored 12 months into full FIRE. But then I got Zillow fever and moved to the town where new grandkid just born this spring, bigger city (higher COL) with lots more to do, different climate to enjoy gardening differently, and even more (restaurants!! more than chain ones!) once pandemic fears/ grandkid vaccinated lessen concerns re covid. When moving chores and grandkid babysitting duties lessen I might get bored again but don’t see returning to medicine. Hopefully I also will resist returning to charity/ political board membership. While us retirees have a wealth of knowledge and ability to offer organizations, the main purpose of board members is to pony up money when they run short. I want to be a worker or learner not a chief in any group I join here. Anyway enjoying my 2 minute commute to my 20 hour/week unpaid babysitting job. If only the in-law would let me start gardening their yard…
What is RE?:
“FI without RE can allow you to lower risk.”
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What is RE?
“FI without RE can allow you to lower risk.”
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Another purpose could be to increase Charity. Not many people are blessed to be high income earners and thus may not be in a position to donate as much. If I can earn after achieving FI, I can afford to increase my charity contributions beyond my current 10% of annual income
awesome Jim congrats on utilizing FI to mold your life into the way you want it and optimizes your happiness. Spending 150k a year is bawler! But synergizing that with meaningful work is amazing job on your part.
I’m kind of surprised that back in the day though you got tired of video games. Between Halo and the Final Fantasy I could see myself going 3-4 years playing video games and not getting bored! I plan on retirement playing a crapload of video games (if I don’t have arthritis hopefully). Outside of just gaming I feel when I finally retire I don’t think I will ever get bored as there are so many things to do in this life outside of being a neurologist. So many places I didn’t get to see, books I didn’t read, future grandkids that I want to spoil. Just got to make sure to have enough money in retirement to enjoy those things 🙂
But reading this post, when I hit FI I will dumb down some work and play some Halo 🙂
Great article and very close to where we are. We can technically retire right now and never work another day in our lives. It would require a very minor decrease in spending which may very well be doable by simply not working (less gas, less eating out, looking for better deals with the extra free time.) On the other hand I am slowly cutting back on work and instead increasing our spending making FI slightly out of reach. Just recently we flew to Europe and opted to pay for first class because our time was limited and getting the extra sleep on the plane allowed us to enjoy our destination 1 extra day. Other areas we are spending more on is our home. We are making some changes not because it will increase the value of the house, but because it will make our home more comfortable and enjoyable for us. Although FI was/is within reach I find that the closer we get to it, the more we loosen those purse strings and find it just slightly out of reach.
I can tell you for a fact that for me, working less has rejuvenated my desire to practice medicine. All of a sudden those drug seekers are less draining, a computer slowdown doesn’t make me want to throw it across the room, and a hemolyzed BMP is not the end of the world.
One big thing that really keeps me working is our recent very long bull market. A recession is coming and unfortunately I don’t know when. I just don’t want to quite and have a recession come right afterwards. I want a decent income during that recession so that we don’t have to sell anything, rebalance as needed, and hopefully be even more financially secure on the other side.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing and congratulations on your success!