By Dr. Jim Dahle, WCI Founder
I am often asked for recommendations on how to choose a financial advisor, and sometimes people ask for recommendations for a specific financial advisor. My mantra with financial advice is to get “good advice at a fair price.” However, when it comes to specifics, I am often left with a conundrum of one sort or another. You see, I haven't yet found the perfect financial advisor to whom I can send readers.
The Do-It-Yourself Financial Planning Solution
Sometimes people asking for a financial advisor recommendation are simply asking the wrong question. Perhaps what they should be asking is, “Do I need to hire a financial advisor, or, if I am willing to put in a reasonable amount of effort and discipline, can I do this on my own?” Although I often recommend advisors and though I have sold ads to many of them, it is pretty easy for readers to see that I'm not paying anybody else to do my financial planning or asset management.
“That's fine,” you may say, “but you're The White Coat Investor! Of course, you don't need a financial advisor.”
The truth is that you don't have to know everything (not that I do) about finance to take care of your own finances. You only have to know the parts that apply to you. For example, I would have never learned anything about how student loans or student loan refinancing works if I wasn't writing this blog. It just doesn't matter to me. Likewise, once you have a mortgage, you don't need to follow all the new developments in this space. Once you have a reasonable investing plan, you don't have to learn a dozen other ways to get to the same goal. Estate planning doesn't have to be done every year, and you don't have to know the asset protection laws in any state but your own. Disability insurance and life insurance only have to be bought once in your life. You don't have to know how whole life insurance works if you don't want to learn; you can simply ignore it along with dozens of other optional financial products. The amount of knowledge you have to assemble to do your own financial planning and investing can be surprisingly minimal, especially when you consider two factors.
The first factor is that you want to make all your mistakes, especially your investing mistakes, when you're young and have a small portfolio. Hopefully, by the time you're in your 50s and are faced with a decision about what to do in a stock market downturn, you've already been through three or four bear markets. Perhaps you went through your first one at 30 with a four-figure portfolio.
The second factor is that it's OK to make a few mistakes that cost you real money, because it isn't like financial advice is free. Good advice is pretty expensive stuff. For example, at a pretty typical 1% of assets under management fee, a doctor saving $50,000 a year for 30 years will end up with $5 million instead of the $6 million they would have had if they had done it (correctly) themself and not paid the AUM fee to an advisor. The way I look at that is that I can make up to a million bucks worth of mistakes and still come out ahead. I'm a slow learner, but I'm not that slow. That also assumes, of course, that the advice you are getting is good and that your advisor doesn't make any of the mistakes you make on your own.
More information here:
Should the White Coat Investor Become a Financial Advisor (and Charge AUM Fees)?
My Perfect Financial Advisor
I have a list of recommended advisors (who are also, for the most part, advertisers on the site). I think they're all good people running a great business. However, none of them are perfect, and I don't think their businesses are either. Here is what the perfect advisor would look like to me:
#1 A Fiduciary Duty
This means the advisor's first duty is to do only what's right for me. It's kind of like a Hippocratic Oath. You would be surprised how many advisors are only held to a lower “suitability” standard instead of a fiduciary one.
#2 An Up-to-Date Academic Understanding of the Field
Financial advising and investing isn't physics, but there is academic literature containing important concepts. The perfect advisor is familiar with all of it. They would probably subscribe to a journal and read a blog like Michael Kitces regularly. They could discuss the weaknesses of the Trinity Study, would know the difference between Fama and Bogle, and would be an expert on financial history.
#3 A Meaningful Designation
There aren't very many designations in the financial field that mean much. My list is very short: CFP, ChFC, CPA/PFS, and CFA. The perfect advisor ought to have one. Heck, if I'm going to pay someone for financial planning, they'd better have one of those first three designations. If they want to manage my investments too, maybe they should have a CFA too. Personally, I think it's criminal that someone can practice in the financial advisory field BEFORE getting what should be a minimal education. They certainly won't be practicing on my investments. Even the CFA—probably the hardest of these designations to get (not counting the CPA portion of the CPA/PFS combo)—only requires 15 weeks of studying over a 2.5-year time period. An advisor without one of these designations is telling me they aren't committed enough to their profession to do less than a semester's worth of studying about it.
#4 A Clientele Just Like Me
Doctors have a few unique things going for them, and the perfect financial advisor knows all about them. They know the ins and outs of PSLF. They have walked multiple clients through each of the student loan refinancing companies. They know what to look for in a physician contract, design retirement plans for many small practices, and do 8606s in their sleep. It would also be nice if the advisor had the ability to evaluate many of the alternative investments doctors are pitched—imaging centers, surgical centers, syndicated hospital shares, practice buildings, life settlements, and other investments only available to accredited investors.
#5 A Reasonable Investing Strategy
Every advisor (and investor) invests a little bit differently. Maybe they use DFA funds or a combination of low-cost ETFs. Perhaps there is a little bit of an active management tweak based on valuations or momentum. Maybe they include some alternative investment classes like peer-to-peer loans, commercial real estate, or (gasp!) some type of cash value life insurance. Fine. I can live with all that. There are many roads to Dublin. But the overall strategy needs to be reasonable. If the entire strategy is based on buying massive quantities of whole life insurance, avoiding Wall Street entirely, picking individual securities, or some market-timing scheme, beware!
The perfect advisor is laser-focused on the cost of their recommended investments. Advisors who are not cost-focused like to preach that “Cost is what you pay; value is what you get.” I disagree. Cost may be what you pay, but value is a fraction—with cost as the denominator and “what you get” as the numerator. In investing, you get what you don't pay for.
#6 Unbiased
I often meet “financial advisors” who are paid on commissions try to convince me that it's an acceptable way to pay for advice. “How else can you get advice until you have a half-million?” they say. “I only do what's best for my clients.” I totally disagree. Commissions are a terrible way to pay for advice. Look at professionals you go to for advice. Lawyers aren't paid that way. Accountants aren't paid that way. Doctors aren't paid that way. (Can you imagine if your only reimbursement were 5.75% of every lab, CT, and prescription you ordered?) Why in the world would you pay a financial advisor that way?
Don't get me wrong. I like commissioned salespeople just fine. In fact, at least one WCI employee is partially paid on commission (plus an hourly rate for a lot of the behind-the-scenes work she does). If she sells more ads for this site, she makes more money (and so do I.) But I think you'd be stupid to go to her to ask, “Where should I advertise my business?” or “How much should I pay to advertise on The White Coat Investor?” It isn't that these commissioned “advisors” are bad people (usually.) It's that they are continually facing a terrible conflict of interest that even a highly ethical person cannot completely resist forever. They have kids to feed, and the worse the financial product, the higher the commission that the company designing the product must pay to get it sold. To make matters worse, even if they sold you a halfway decent product the first time, they're constantly tempted to churn (or at least tinker with) your investment plan to generate a new commission. It is simply a terrible model that should be avoided.
Some fee-based (that means paid by commissions AND fees) advisors are less bad if the only thing they're taking commission on is the life and disability insurance they are selling you. But I would much rather see them rebate the commissions (I'm told this is illegal, but I'm sure there is a way to discount your fees for someone who buys insurance from you, perhaps just a lower fee that first year or something). Or at least refer you to an independent agent (making sure you only purchase what you really need.)
#7 Fairly Priced
I'm not a huge fan of paying for financial advice based on your assets under management (AUM) for three reasons.
The first is that an advisor has a bias against recommending financial strategies that remove money from the pot they're managing. This might be commercial real estate, a Roth conversion, paying off your mortgage/student loans, or simply spending more.
The second is that the advisor simply won't take you until you have a meaningful amount of assets such as $500,000-$1 million. That could take many investors a decade or more. You need the advice most at the beginning of your investment career, or you may never get to $500,000!
The third reason I don't like AUM fees is that they can become ridiculously big as your portfolio grows. It simply isn't any harder to manage $2 million than $200,000. It certainly isn't 10 times as hard. Many advisors will give you a bit of a break as your assets grow, but it's usually nowhere near as big as it should be. For example, you might pay 1% on your first million and only 0.8% on your second million. But managing that second million didn't take any more work, much less 80% more.
A much better way to pay for asset management is with a flat annual fee. I think a reasonable hourly rate is the best way to pay for financial planning. However, I can live with an advisor you pay using any of these three methods. The key is to actually add up the cost (whether it's based on hours, a retainer, or your assets) and make sure the total price is fair. If you're paying $5,000 a year for asset management as an annual fee or 0.5% on a $1 million portfolio, it's all the same.
My idea of fair pricing is an annual fee in the $1,000-$10,000 range for asset management and $100-$500 per hour for financial planning, although the trend the last few years has certainly been upward. Maybe that $10,000 figure needs to be $15,000 now. I like to see the fees as low as possible provided the advisor can still provide good service and stay in business. But if doctors are willing to pay $20,000-$50,000 a year for financial advice, I can't blame the advisors for taking it. I certainly don't price the ads on this site or my fees in the ED based on what some random blogger thinks I should charge for them. I charge as much as the market will bear.
#8 Tied in with Other Services
Many naive doctors think one financial professional can be their “money person” and take care of all their needs. The truth is that they probably need five or six people, including a financial planner, an investment manager, a tax strategist/preparer, a practice accountant, an insurance agent, an estate attorney, an asset protection attorney, a healthcare attorney/contract negotiator, and a retirement plan consultant. Some advisors can do two or three of these things well, but nobody does them all. Ideally, all these people will be under one roof, and they are seamlessly tied together. Some of the larger firms are trying this, but I don't think anyone is doing it perfectly yet.
More information here:
How to Negotiate Lower Advisory Fees
Recommending Financial Advisors
Knowing all that, I'm now left with a dilemma when people ask me for a recommendation for a financial advisor. These are not usually people who read this blog (or any blog) religiously, and they don't have the time or interest to read even a handful of books on investing. Chances are very good that even if they were paying 1% a year for advice, they would be better off with an advisor. Look around your hospital, you know who I'm talking about.
My usual go-to is to use the list of recommended advisors that we have already vetted. We've swapped emails with them, spoken to several, followed up with clients who have worked with them, and even visited some of their offices. We've reviewed their websites and their filings with the SEC. Some of them (rarely) have had a formal complaint which we have had to ask them about. We also see comments and receive emails about these advisors from readers of the site. If we get significant bad feedback from clients, we remove them from the list.
Despite these occasional negatives, I still feel comfortable recommending each of these advisors to the right doctor. However, not a single one of my recommended advisors meets all the criteria I have spelled out above. To make matters worse, many readers would like a recommendation for an advisor in their hometown. That's easy in some towns with a quick internet search and a little time on the SEC site, but it's very difficult in a small town in the middle of nowhere. Besides, after the pandemic we should all be very comfortable with Zoom, and that allows you to pick from advisors all over the country to get the best advice at the best price.
At the end of the day, if you want an advisor at the lowest possible cost and with the fewest financial conflicts of interest, go take a look in the mirror on your way to the library to get some good investing books. If you're not willing to do that, then realize that while we can help you get a very good advisor, we can't help you get a perfect one.
What do you think? What criteria did you look for in an advisor? How do you decide who you send colleagues to? Do you think objective investment advice can be given by an advisor paid with commissions? What about one paid with AUM fees? Comment below!
[This updated post was originally published in 2015.]
So I am a financial planner, and I love this article. Glad I just saw it.
If I may be so bold, I’ll add 2 additional criteria around fees that I think would be useful for your readers to know.
1) *Fee-Only* refers to financial planners who do not receive commissions of any type or for any service. In fact, it’s so stringent that I couldn’t even be a real estate agent and make a commission on the sale of a house for a completely unrelated business to my financial planning firm. Neither could my wife! So I do recommend finding a fee-only financial planner. Having said that, fee-only can include AUM as AUM is a fee.
2) *Flat Fee* refers to financial planners who are paid based on their service rather than the amount of assets you have or your income. This makes the most sense for me because it aligns the pricing with every other model we see in life. When I go to Walmart, I don’t pay less for milk because I’m also a physical therapist and not a physician, we both pay the same price because we’re getting the same product with the same perceived value. So for flat fee advisors, they price their services based on their niche that they serve, the value they can add, and in such a way that fits within their target client’s expenses.
Having mentioned both of those, compared to the AUM model, flat fee advisors tend to be a bit of a premium until one reaches ~$400K of net worth. Between $400-$800K I do think that flat fee and AUM is nearly equal (though the service of flat fee advisors tends to be significantly more focused on comprehensive financial planning vs. AUM advisors tend to be focused solely on investments), and then over ~$800K of net worth flat fee definitely becomes the clear value winner.
So for anyone looking for an advisor whose fees don’t grow with you as your net worth grows, consider flat fee!
I hope this adds some value to the conversation!
1. Yes, that’s what the article says. Although AUM is my least favorite method of paying, especially at 1% or similar for portfolios over $1 million.
2. Hopefully few people in this audience spend too much of their lives with sub $400K portfolios. Which method is the winner requires one to do math. At 0.25% of AUM, AUM could still make lots of sense well beyond $800K. At 1%, it might not make sense beyond $500K.
Thank you for the incredible resource of vetted planners.
I am a physician in the market for a financial planner. I need the soft stuff, mainly guidance to realize life goals/priorities and a fiduciary to hold me and my spouse accountable, running what-if scenarios and covering bases. I’m off to a late start as an attending minted at age 38. I am interested in the vetted fee only DIY approach. I have almost no assets to start because I lived in expensive locations premed and during residency. Assuming I cover bases with 401k and expenses and have leftover money for investments..
There’s a Schwab “premium intelligent portfolio” that’s 25k minimum robovisor with 24/7 CFP hotline access. It’s only $300 for first meeting and $30/mo for a subscription fee, and I think the subscription can be dropped if autopilot works well enough. If AUM grow >100k, then it’s <1% but close to that. Is this not such a bad way for an early career / wealth accumulation phase physician to start out at a relatively low cost? I was thinking to do it and once my assets grow, then leave and get a fee only service for an annual portfolio check-up.
Does this make any sense?
Here’s our current list if you haven’t seen it:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/financial-advisors/
If you need “soft stuff” or really any kind of financial planning, you’re not going to get it from a roboadvisor. That’s for asset management of IRAs and taxable accounts only. You’ll need a human for that.
I doubt whatever CFP they include on the hotline and for $30/month is particularly good with the doctor specific issues. $360/year isn’t going to get you much expertise, but why not try it? It’s practically free.
Great article. I work as a financial advisor, and I agree with what you said.
This quote, “I think it’s criminal that someone can practice in the financial advisory field BEFORE getting what should be a minimal education, ” resonated with me. I am in complete agreement.
I’m not too fond of the lack of definition of what an advisor offers and the massive range of professionalism and education across the industry. It is disappointing how someone who is just a life insurance broker can also call themself an advisor, just like a fiduciary financial planner. I also agree that strategic advice and an increase in execution is the most valuable reason for an advisor, not because you think they will beat the market.
I will point out one thing about your discussion on AUM fees. You are correct that they are expensive, but you must remember that when dealing with prices for goods and services, we deal with a market.
For example, I have extensive experience and four designations, have been published in well-known financial planning journals, and my RIA is ranked among the top in the country.
I’m not trying to toot my own horn here, but the reality is that why would someone who holds those accomplishments choose a service model that makes them less money? Advisors can only have so many clients. Because their business model doesn’t allow their time to scale, the only solution to the supply/demand curve is to be more expensive. I would never charge an hourly or flat fee because I don’t have to. My experience in the industry is that the advisors who are charging hourly or flat fees either structure it so that it makes them more money with less risk (i.e., their income doesn’t fluctuate with the market) they charge less for aum, but they structure their subscription fees planning fees, etc… to allow them actually to have a higher revenue per client. OR they are very new to the industry, don’t have many clients, and are using the price to attract new clients (in which case, you will see that their pricing model will change after they start filling up their roster). Just food for thought: prices matter, but in my opinion, the pricing structure somewhat indicates what you are getting.
Again, going back to your other points for choosing an advisor, they all make sense. I would take those versus the anticipated total price as the value calculation and not necessarily look at the pricing structure.
My main issue with an AUM structure is that too many people don’t do that math. And if someone will take care of your for $12K, it seems silly to pay someone $36K to take care of you in the same manner.
But as a businessman, I fully understand charging what the market will bear. A typical advisor only needs 50-100 clients to fill. They don’t have to convince everyone they provide more value than their price, only 75 families is plenty. At a certain point from a business perspective, you want the 75 families willing to pay the most for your services.
Has anyone used “my financial coach”? I am highly considering using their services (CPA and CFP). I have always used a CPA, but never a financial planner. I feel as though I am well rounded when it comes to financial planning (investing, asset protection, insurance, etc.), but I also feel I can learn something from everyone. Considering their reasonable price structure I was hoping to hear from anyone who may have used their services. Thank you.
As they frequently note in comments on this blog, they are an advertiser here and thus we’ve approved them to advertise. We don’t approve most advisors. You can learn more about them here:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/my-financial-coach-llc/
You can learn about other advisors we like here and compare: https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/financial-advisors/
I wish I had seen this earlier. I had the unfortunate experience of hiring [a specific financial advisor] and they are absolutely the worst.
Even after terminating their contract, there was no debriefing done, all I had to do was sign lots of legally worded documents which are beyond understanding.
Worst part is they still retained managing my RothIRA portfolio and charged monthly fee’s EVERYMONTH on portfolio which is completely in S&P index funds, and they sold my stock to fund their advisory fee.
Please avoid them if possible.
Comment edited to remove name of financial advisor to avoid libel issues for the blog.