By Dr. Jim Dahle, WCI FounderOver the last couple of decades, I have spent a great deal of time thinking about financial advisory firms. I have often asked myself, “If you could design a firm from the ground up, what would it look like?” The answer to that question has evolved a bit over the years, but it's mostly just become more comprehensive as I have learned more about the issues faced by well-intentioned advisors and their clients alike.
Today, I'm going to share what that vision looks like.
Good Advice at a Fair Price
The mantra I've been using for years when describing a good financial advisor is “good advice at a fair price.” Everybody nods their head when they hear that. It makes sense to us, but the devil is in the details. Today, let's talk about what I mean by good advice at a fair price. But I'm also going to discuss a lot of other issues faced by advisors and their firms that you may not have ever considered.
What Is a Fair Price?
The first item to discuss, only because it's the easier of the two parts to talk about, is what I mean when I say a fair price. There is actually a lot that goes into that.
Fee-Only
The first thing I like to see from a financial advisor is that they are “fee-only.” This means the advisor only gets paid for their advice and service, and the advisor only gets paid by you (and clients like you). There is no secondary source of revenue for them. They are not paid commissions for selling you life insurance products or loaded mutual funds. They are paid fees by clients, just like your accountant, attorney, doctor, or other real professional. Those fees might be in the form of an hourly fee, a monthly/quarterly/annual subscription fee, or an Asset Under Management (AUM) fee, but they're fees, not commissions. There is always a conflict of interest when money changes hands, but a fee-only relationship eliminates the worst of the conflicts of interest in the financial services industry.
Transparent Fees
Along with being fee-only, the best advisors are also overly transparent about their fees. In fact, it's usually a bad sign if the fees aren't on the website in a place where they can be rapidly found and easily understood early in the due diligence process. No matter how the fees are calculated, the best firms will ensure that their clients know exactly how much they're paying each year for advice and service. I know what I pay my attorney and accountant. I should know how much I pay my financial advisor.
Deal with the AUM Issue
These days, some people view AUM fee-charging advisors as being nearly as bad as a commissioned agent when it comes to conflicted advice. I do not, as discussed in a recent post on the topic. However, issues exist if your advisor is compensated primarily by an AUM fee.
The first is that lots of advisors charging AUM fees are not transparent. Using an AUM fee-charging advisor requires you to do a simple math equation each year to calculate your fees. Wouldn't it be nice if the advisor just did that math for you and put the total in a prominent place on the periodic reports they send you?
The second issue is that AUM fees are often not fair. They're not fair to the advisor when the client has a tiny portfolio early in the investing journey. And more importantly, they're not fair to the client once the client starts really building wealth. Why not just charge a fair fee every year?
Another issue with AUM fees is that they incentivize the advisor to gather assets rather than provide service and advice. The focus becomes too much on investment management and not enough on what is actually the more important and valuable service: financial planning.
The usual solution to these AUM issues is to use a flat fee pricing model, and there is little reason for most clients to pay anything else. However, it doesn't really make sense to charge the exact same fee to someone with a $1 million portfolio and someone with a $30 million portfolio. The financial life of the $30 million investor is typically substantially more complicated, their expectations for their advisor are quite a bit higher, and the advisor's financial liability for mistakes is a lot bigger. It makes sense to pay a higher fee. But that fee shouldn't be 30 times higher. Maybe it shouldn't even be three times higher. But it should be higher.
The best advisors generally charge that higher fee in one of several ways, whether that be a tiered flat fee or a low AUM fee starting at a certain level of assets on top of the base flat fee.
Comparable to Other High Quality Advisors
Most new investors have no idea what the going rate is for high-quality financial advice and service. So, I tell them. These days, the answer for most WCIers is typically between $7,500-$15,000 a year for a “full-service” advisor. You know where I get that answer from? We've been referring white coat investors to the “good people” in the industry for the last 15 years. This is what they're currently charging. You don't need to find the least expensive advisor you can; you just need to make sure they're in the right ballpark ($12,000 is a fair price for typical services; $75,000 is not).
The Firm Needs to Be Profitable
I've met a few advisory firms out there that offer very low prices. They make enough that the advisor has created themselves a good job but nothing more. Some of these have struggled to stay in business. There is no additional capital or profit that can be used to grow the business and help more people (i.e., hire more advisors) or add new services for the existing clients. A reasonable profit is necessary for the longevity and success of the ideal advisory firm.
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What Good Advice and the Ideal Firm Look Like
Good advice at a fair price. That's the goal. We've talked about what a fair price looks like. Now, let's talk about good advice.
Planning First
Far too many “advisors,” along with investors, think financial advice is just investment management. Perhaps that is due to the AUM fee model that focuses so much attention on the amount of assets. Maybe it is because people mistakenly think the point of hiring an advisor is to beat the market. Perhaps it is just because investing is the sexy part of personal finance. However, the more time I spend in the financial space, the more I realize the real value is NOT in investment management. The real value is in the financial planning.
Financial planning is far harder to deliver to a client, far harder to do well, and far harder to scale. Once you learn about how index mutual funds trounce the vast majority of their actively managed competitors and how easy basic fund management can be, you can guarantee yourself the market return with 30 seconds of work and almost no expense. Planning the cash flow for a family that has never budgeted is far more work than that. Add in insurance planning, student loan planning, estate planning, asset protection, retirement projections, college savings, muddling through multiple retirement account rules, and all the other stuff that a real financial planner does, and it doesn't take long to see that investment management is the easy part.
In reality, there is no point to investment management without an underlying plan. You can't even properly choose what to invest in until you have set your financial goals and have a plan. Yes, lots of people need help with investment management. But it really is not that hard to do well these days.
Good financial advice talks about you and what you want out of life. It doesn't talk about products. It finishes with a solid written plan—not the sale of an insurance policy, annuity, or investing product designed to be sold, not bought. It acknowledges that the advisor's crystal ball is just about as murky as yours is, and your plan needs to account for that uncertainty. Good advice comes from an advisor who focuses on clients like you. You want an advisor who has already helped solve the problems you need solved. Good advice recognizes that your greatest enemies are inflation, taxes, and your own behavior. It really doesn't change year to year or even decade to decade. Your portfolio should change when your life changes, not when the markets change.
A Great Advisory Firm Serves Both Validators and Delegators
Perhaps the greatest challenge early in your financial life is figuring out what kind of investor you are: Delegator, Validator, or Do-It-Yourselfer (DIYers).
Delegators tend to be busy and not all that interested in the intricacies of financial planning, and they are more than willing to pay a fair price for good service. They are not hobbyists, and none of their favorite books are about financial topics. Just like some of us pay for housekeeping or lawn service, delegators pay for financial planning and investment management.
DIYers are hobbyists who tend to be very fee-sensitive but have so much interest in personal finance and investing that they rapidly develop both financial literacy and financial discipline. It is possible to be your own effective financial planner and investment manager. If you do your job as well as a professional, the fee savings will speed you along the way to meeting your financial goals.
In between DIYers and delegators is a large and varied group referred to as Validators. They prefer to do some but not all of the tasks performed by a full-service financial planner and investment manager for their delegator clients. They also want to pay a lower fee for that lower level of service. This group has traditionally been very hard for the financial services industry to serve in an effective way, but it's very important to me that a firm also offers options that serve validators. That likely means an “advice-only” style relationship. Perhaps that looks like consultations paid with hourly fees. Perhaps it looks like drafting a financial plan and letting the client implement it. Maybe it looks like just helping with a plan for your student loans (like can be found at studentloanadvice.com).
A great advisory firm should serve both validators and delegators. It needs the ability to serve as a one-stop shop for the delegators looking to offload most of the hassle in their financial lives. It needs to serve the needs of validators. It should also be viewed by DIYers as a safe place to send their less financially interested partner in the event that something happens to the DIYer.
Must Have the Ability to Scale
Another problem WCI has dealt with over the years may not be obvious to most WCIers. Many of the best financial advisors I've ever met are in one advisor shops. They run their own little business. Perhaps they have an employee or two, but they have no interest in hiring advisors to work under them or building a huge business. These firms generally top out at 75-100 families being served. At that point, the advisor is as busy as they want to be and does not need to look for any new clients. Some of the best advisors I know are those who used to be on our recommended list but came off it when their practices filled.
More than 30,000 docs come out of training every year, and the majority of them need a good advisor. Even if we had 50 of these one-advisor shops on our list, they could all be filled just with a single year of graduates. So, we try to keep the list as full as we can with advisors who are “good enough” and who are still trying to fill their practice. Determining what is “good enough” to be on that list has caused me more angst than anything else over the years. A few of these companies are trying to scale up their practices by hiring additional advisors (and so continue to advertise with us and continue to serve WCIers), but our partnership with most of those who offer good advice at a fair price only lasts a few years. It's not because they're bad advisors; it's because they're good advisors.
The ideal advisory firm must have the ability to scale. There are simply too many people to serve to do it well with one advisor shops. The tricky part, of course, is maintaining culture and quality as you hire more and more advisors.
Advisors Advise, Not Market
One major problem with the financial services industry is that the most successful advisors are not the ones who give the best advice. They're the ones who are the best at prospecting for new clients; marketing themselves; and, mostly, selling products. The best salespeople become the “top” advisors. But the advisors you really want—the ones who are focused on their clients' success instead of their own and the ones who give the best advice—are usually not the best salespeople, much less the best marketers. Yet those are precisely the advisors we want in the ideal firm. They become even better advisors as time goes on when they spend all their time, energy, and focus on advising and serving, not prospecting and selling.
The ideal firm attracts these top talents by promising them a job where they get paid fairly to do what they want, which is to spend their time planning with their clients rather than forcing them to prospect, market, and sell. This results in happier, more effective advisors and more successful clients. Which is the whole point. Put the best advisors with the best clients, and you shouldn't be surprised when the firm succeeds. WCI refers hundreds or perhaps thousands of white coat investors to our recommended financial advisors every year. Some of the best physician-focused financial advisors have acknowledged to us that the majority of their clients came right from WCI.
Trust Companies
Over the years, WCI has looked into partnering with, purchasing, or even starting a financial advisory firm, essentially bringing this “product line” in-house—the same way we have done with our courses; conference; student loan advice; and, in some ways, insurance referrals. We've discovered the compliance landscape is complicated, especially for a multi-media company like WCI. Most financial advisory firms are Registered Investment Advisors (RIAs) regulated federally by FINRA and the SEC. The relationship between federal regulators and RIAs would best be described as “antagonistic.” It's not the regulators' fault. They're mostly just trying to protect investors from predatory firms and outright scammers.
But what if there were a better way?
It turns out there is. In fact, the highest fiduciary standard out there is not the one carried by an RIA but rather the one carried by a trust company. A trust company is a type of non-depository bank. Its fiduciary standard legally obligates it to act in the best interests of the trust's beneficiaries, prioritizing loyalty, care, and impartiality while avoiding conflicts of interest and self-dealing. A trust company is required to manage assets prudently, maintain transparency, keep meticulous records, and act in good faith, ensuring they uphold the highest level of fiduciary standard for their clients.
Trust company structure also sets up the advisory firm to offer additional services for the few clients who may need them. These services may include family office services and, obviously, trust management services, both of which are potential future needs for some WCIers. Trust companies are also regulated at the state level, where compliance and regulation are done in a much less antagonistic, less confrontational way (even though it's just as, if not more, strict).
As I've looked into financial advisory company structure over the years, I've realized that an RIA is good, but a trust company may even be better. Thus, the ideal advisory firm can be a trust company. Why don't more advisors use a trust company instead of an RIA? The main reason is a lack of capital. The capital reserve requirement to start a non-depository bank/trust company is a seven-figure amount that one-advisor shop RIAs don't have at start-up. However, I suspect this structure will become more common over time.
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We're Doing It
After 15 years of thinking and talking about this, we're taking the first steps toward actually doing it. WCI is partnering with others to build this ideal financial planning firm, and we will be rolling it out over the next year. Now, I'm not going to be your personal financial advisor, but WCI will maintain majority ownership and control to ensure the vision outlined above is carried out. We're excited to do this, even if it makes us a little nervous. We know some of you will disagree with this choice or judge it as “selling out.” We also know we're putting our brand and reputation at stake in a historically problematic industry. However, we think the opportunity to serve WCIers better and potentially change the entire industry is worth that risk. At the end of the day, we just want to do what is right and best for this community we care about, and this is our next big effort to live up to that goal.
We're going to need a lot of help to serve as many people as we hope to serve. If you're a financial planner who's ready to be paid fairly to do planning instead of prospecting, you can get more info here. We would love to hear from you.
While we're not yet accepting clients, if you'd like to be kept up to date on our progress, you can sign up for a no-commitment interest list here.
You'll obviously be hearing more about this firm as time goes on, but we are excited to better serve white coat investors in the future.




Woohoo! I’ve been hoping for this for years! This is great news for everyone!
Thank you for your kind words. We’re at least as excited as you are.
Exciting eventual news! FYI – part of USAA’s regulatory structure includes being a trust. A little tidbit as you work to figure out structure (banking is my background).
Not to steal Jim’s fire but do you think USAA could serve WCIers and their less informed spouses if widowed? I have never investigated well, just still bristle at their crap CD rates (I know, bank not CU) and that they tried hard to get 80 yo MIL to turn a large life insurance policy from FIL into an annuity. Didn’t even understand her kid and DIL were advising her as well and maybe marketing that the whole amount invested would pay out to heirs not just vanish would have helped. Seemed like inappropriate advice (with minimal research so far as I knew as to whether she even needed another monthly income source- which she didn’t). Also wasn’t impressed with earlier stock market fund options back when Vanguard etc. was available instead. Haven’t checked lately though, and absolutely love it as a bank for our regular needs.
I would say no. It’s not an area they do well, which is why they sold it off a number of years ago
There are some things I like about USAA and others I don’t. The checking account and auto insurance have always treated me well, but I’ve seen little reason to go there for investment type stuff.
Interesting. Thanks for letting us know.
How exciting! Can’t wait to learn more about it.
Stay tuned!
Stay tuned!
Thank you!
I would add one criterion for choosing an investment advisor. How they include both partners in the planning. Too often the wife does not receive the same attention. Maybe it’s not true, but I’ve heard a couple times that the majority of widows change their advisor after their spouse’s death due to their prior experience. And statistically 80% of the time it is the wife who will be the survivor. So much focus is often on the next generation, forgetting that there is usually a wealth transfer to the spouse first.
Excellent points, thanks for the feedback. We also agree that it’s almost silly to do any sort of financial planning with only one spouse. Both spouses need to be on the same page and buy into the plan and the advisor.
Wow, this is fantastic news. Thanks for your efforts!
Will you still offer the “150 portfolios better than the one you have” column ?
We don’t plan to make any changes to how the blog is currently run or any previously published blog posts. Any particular reason you think we’d do something with that post?
Great idea – I expect you’re going to be inundated with clients.
We certainly hope so. We want to help as many as we can.
RIAs are not regulated by FINRA, and many are not regulated by the SEC because they are not required to be registered with the SEC if they have less than $100MM under management. Instead they register with their state regulators only.
Fair point. Certainly the size of the firm we envision would require federal regulation if it were an RIA.
If you are functioning as an Investment Advisor, even organized as a trust company, you will be required to register with the SEC. I just don’t understand the distinction you are making when discussing regulatory relationships.
Thank you for your feedback. We’ll double check with the compliance pros and make sure we’re doing everything the proper way.
A quick search for “do trust companies register with the SEC” spits out the following from Google AI which I believe applies in this situation:
So it sounds like we both may be right.
Further, RIAs are held to the same fiduciary standard of care you reference when discussing the trust company.
I’m glad that RIAs are at least supposed to also function at the highest level of fiduciary duty. But as I’m sure you’re well aware, some act in a more fiduciary way than others.
This is a true statement, that applies in any situation, including trust companies.
You are unnecessarily complicating things by considering a trust company versus just organizing as an RIA.
I think the idea has merit, just some advice from someone in the industry.
Thanks for the free advice.
Awesome! Do you have an approximate date that this will go live? I did submit the form
Thanks,
Maha
You can be confident that we won’t hide it, but we also can only grow so fast. We want every client to receive the care and service they deserve. We certainly hope and expect more people will be interested than can be immediately helped.
Uh-oh…..hope I made the cut!
Just double checked the date and it isn’t April 1. I look forward to seeing the firm you build!
This definitely isn’t a joke! Thanks for your kind words.
Seems like a major shift, what will this mean for the DIY folks who you have trained not to trust AUM advisors and fire your advisor. How is the new structure going to work? What about the firms you’re recommending on your platform, will they be part of the new structure?
We expect DIY folks will continue DIYing as they always have and as a blogger/podcast etc. I plan to continue to “train” them to create and follow their written financial plan. If they ever change their mind about being a DIYer or need someplace their spouse can go if something happens to them, we hope to be able to assist them with that. We still recommend all kinds of firms on our platform, including financial advisors. Those advisors were advised about this in advance, but the truth is it takes time to grow a firm and lots of WCIers need an advisor right now. So we’ll continue to refer them to the advisors on our list.
Thanks for your response.
Excellent news. I’m a DIY investor but the major source of anxiety for me is who will manage my family’s assets & trusts after I die. They are clearly Delegators.
We hope to be able to assist.
The article makes a very valid point about AUM advisors. I fired mine several years ago when it became apparent that he was more interested in gathering up my assets than making them grow. At the time, I only let him manage a certain portion of my assets and he kept pestering me to give him more and more money to manage. This was a red flag for me, and I dropped him when he got obnoxious with it. He was my last advisor, and now I do it on my own, quite nicely, and look at the fees saved as a moderate salary to me!! Thanks for all the great advice.
There’s no doubt a lot of money can be saved by being a DIYer. Keep in mind you need to do it about as well as a good pro would in order to come out ahead of course.
Will non doctors be eligible to subscribe to this service too? like other professionals such as lawyers?
Nothing we’ve ever done at WCI is exclusive to doctors so we don’t see any reason why this firm would be. We do expect to be pretty darn good at serving doctors of course, but as you probably know, 95%+ of this stuff is the same for everyone.
As a mainly DIY’er, it would be great to have a chance to go over our family’s financial plan (validate) and then have an honest firm to have an already established relationship that I could send my wife (a delegator) to in the case I can’t manage the finances anymore. This would be an incredible service to white coat investors and would alleviate some of my concerns about the future when I am no longer here.
You are far from alone.
Jim –
I’m sure you know very well that I approach this new idea of yours with a good deal of skepticism, so speaking with me in a recorded podcast episode may not be of interest to you. However, I am inviting you nevertheless. You starting an advisory firm will force a decision between building the highest quality advisory firm possible and maintaining your company’s profitability track record as it is currently built. You can’t have both. I suspect you disagree. So, let’s talk it out.
Something else I want to share – I want you to succeed. I really do. And if you are willing to make some adjustments, I think you could help a lot of docs to get great advice for a fair fee directly from WCI. In the conversation, I will also be glad to share with you how it can be achieved, if you are open to advice.
Let me know.
Tyler
We’re very grateful for anyone that is willing to further our primary mission to help doctors and other high income professionals experience financial security so they can focus on what really matters in life. We have never viewed that mission as being inconsistent with running a for-profit business. In fact, WCI has been a for-profit business from week one and we think it has actually aided us in fulfilling our primary mission better. Yes, making money results in conflicts of interest, which we are very big on disclosing all over the place, but especially in our annual “State of the Blog” post. The last one can be found here:
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/state-of-the-blog-2025/
As far as you helping us to succeed, we can discuss by email or phone. Email editor (at) whitecoatinvestor.com to line it up.
I never mentioned anything about the congruence of profitability and your mission. I’m talking about meeting the fiduciary standard. Those are not the same thing, even if your mission is well intentioned.
Sure, I’ll email you.
Talk soon,
Tyler