By Dr. Jim Dahle, WCI FounderLong-time readers know I am a huge fan of waiting until 70 to take Social Security. Obviously, there are exceptions to this general advice (i.e., sometimes it makes sense for the lower earner in a couple to take it earlier, those with lower life expectancy should take it earlier, etc.)—it's all heavily explored elsewhere on this blog. However, none of that is actually the main issue of waiting until 70 to take Social Security.
The Problem with Waiting Until Age 70
The real problem is that too many people assume they need to work longer or spend less until they get to age 70. That is NOT what I mean when I say delay Social Security. In fact, I think it's actually a disaster if that happens.
When people first retire, they enter what are called the “go-go years” (followed by the “slow-go years” and the “no-go years”). You actually want to spend MORE money, at least in inflation-adjusted dollars, in those first few retired years than you do later. And if you retire earlier, that just means you get more of the go-go years. Feeling like you can't spend more until you hit age 70 (the later go-go years and perhaps into the slow-go years) is a real problem.
So, how can you wait until 70 for Social Security but still spend more in the years before then? Well, you have to have other money. Forty percent of retirees are living on just Social Security. For you to retire before 70 and delay Social Security until 70, you have to have some other source of spending money. Maybe that's an inheritance or a working spouse or something, but for most WCIers it is (and should be) a nest egg. You know, that big pot of money you spent your life acquiring. Building a nest egg that will support you when you're done working is actually the greatest financial task of your life. These nest eggs are usually seven figures, often in the $2 million-$5 million range and sometimes even more than $5 million. That's what you spend while waiting to get your Social Security check at age 70.
In this post, we're going to talk about exactly how to do that.
More information here:
8 Things You Must Know About Social Security
The Consequences of Ignoring Social Security
What Will Social Security Actually Pay?
Essentially, you're trying to use some portion of your nest egg to replace Social Security from the date of retirement until age 70, when you begin taking Social Security. An important variable in that calculation is the amount Social Security will actually pay you. You would think this would be an easy number to find since we all get Social Security statements every year, right? Here's the chart from a recent one of mine.
This kind of does a good job of demonstrating why it's smart to wait until age 70 to start Social Security. That total of $4,521 is way more money than $2,423 (87% more!), especially considering this is likely the only guaranteed source of inflation-adjusted income available to you. However, it's totally misleading. The chart in your statement assumes you will work until the date your benefits begin. The age 62 number assumes I'll work until 62, and the age 70 number assumes I'll work until 70, paying into the Social Security system the entire time. If you retire at 60, your benefits probably won't be that large.
So, the first task is figuring out what your Social Security benefits will actually be. That requires a visit to two sites. The first is the Social Security website. You log in using a login.gov account, which you hopefully already have. If not, go get one first. Once you get there, you find your earnings record by clicking on “Review your full earnings record now.” (red arrow)
Your actual record will probably look a lot like mine . . .
. . . which you then copy and paste into a box at https://ssa.tools/calculator. That will then spit out your Primary Insurance Amount, or PIA (in the red circle below).
My PIA this year is $3,108. Once you have that, you change the slider (red arrow) on that same calculator page to working zero more years, and it'll then allow the option to use a lower slider on the page to figure out what your benefit would be at age 62 and at age 70 if you never work (and pay Social Security taxes) again.
In my case, it'd be $2,188 at age 62 and $3,853 at age 70. This assumes I quit working today, just before turning 50, which was the month I wrote this post. Note that this is less than the $2,423 (age 62) and $4,521 (age 70) I would get if I kept working and paying into Social Security for 12-20 more years.
Another cool thing on that little calculator is to see where you are on the “bend points” chart.
Once you're past the second bend point, like I am, the bang for your buck on additional Social Security contributions is not very good. Even if I work full-time for 12 more years and pay six figures more into Social Security, my monthly benefit will only go up $250 a month.
Another great free online Social Security resource is Mike Piper's excellent OpenSocialSecurity.com, which will actually provide some recommendations about when to take Social Security.
A Few Adjustments and Assumptions
If I retired now at age 50, my actual benefit amount at age 70 will be just $3,853 per month, or $46,236 per year. Let's assume half of my benefit is more than Katie's benefit (it's not actually true anymore, but let's not make this more complicated), so that's really $69,354 per year we'll start getting at 70. OK, technically mine will start coming in before hers, but we're going to ignore that for simplicity. We're not quitting work this year either.
Let's do a hypothetical. Let's say we're going to work until age 60 and that our combined benefit at age 70 if we do that is $75,000 per year. THAT is the number we need to cover from age 60 to age 70, and we need to do it in an inflation-adjusted way.
More information here:
5 Reasons to Not Give Up on Social Security
What's the Best Age to Take Social Security?
How to Cover the Gap
Now, let's say we have a $4 million nest egg. If we were 70 and thought 4.5% was a reasonable withdrawal rate and we were getting $75,000 a year from Social Security, we could spend $4 million x 4.5% = $180,000 + $75,000 = $255,000 per year. That $255,000 needs to cover EVERYTHING—including advisory fees, taxes, and charitable giving, not just our living expenses. But we're not 70 in this hypothetical example. We're 60. And that Social Security payment isn't coming for another decade. What do we do in the meantime? There are a few options, some of which are better than others.
#1 Keep It in Cash
The first option is to take out that money from the portfolio and put it in cash. Since $75,000 per year for 10 years is $750,000, you take that money out of your portfolio and stick it in a high-yield savings account or a nice money market fund at Vanguard, Fidelity, or Schwab. Every year, you pull $75,000 out of that account (or every month, you pull $75,000/12 = $6,250 out of the account) and spend it. You can also spend part of the remaining nest egg. Since we're starting at a younger age, let's use a 4% withdrawal rate—4% * ($4,000,000 – $750,000) = $130,000 + $75,000 = $205,000. That's what you can spend the year you retire at age 60, with $75,000 coming out of the $750,000 Social Security replacement fund and the other $130,000 coming out of the remaining $3.25 million portfolio.
What's the problem with this solution? Leaving money in cash for a decade might cause substantial cash drag on your overall portfolio returns. Not to mention, that's a lot of exposure to high inflation. You could withdraw the $75,000 each year plus the earnings from the prior year, but that's not exactly equal to inflation, especially since the annual earnings would go down as the fund is depleted or as interest rates change.
#2 Liability Matching Portfolios
Perhaps a more sophisticated approach is a liability matching portfolio. Instead of just sticking all the Social Security replacement money into a money market fund, what if you divided it into 10 buckets/years and bought a Certificate of Deposit (CD) or a Treasury bond that matures EXACTLY when you need that money? You put 1/10th in cash, 1/10th in a one-year CD or Treasury bond, 1/10th in a two-year CD or Treasury bond, 1/10th in a three-year CD or Treasury bond, and so forth. Then each year, you get whatever that CD or bond is worth PLUS (if you're careful with the accounting) exactly what it paid out in interest over the previous year(s). Theoretically, you'll make more than just cash rates on this money, AND the earnings on it will help make up for inflation over the years.
#3 A TIPS Ladder
The pros out there have been chuckling as they read the last couple of paragraphs.
“What a knucklehead! Why would anyone do this with cash, CDs, or nominal Treasuries when TIPS are available?”
Great question.
Although not necessarily the simplest way, the academically correct way to do it is with Treasury Inflation Protected Securities (TIPS). It'd be 1/10th in cash, 1/10th in a one-year TIPS, 1/10th in a two-year TIPS, 1/10th in a three-year TIPS, and so forth. You no longer need the interest to keep up with inflation; you will get that automatically with the inflation adjustments in the TIPS. You could put that interest into your nest egg or just have it be part of that 4% of the nest egg you're spending each year. You'll owe taxes on both the interest and the inflation adjustments (including some taxes on phantom income), but you can adjust for that.
A TIPS ladder to me is clearly the best way to deal with this issue, and the less you have in your nest egg, the better a solution it is for you.
More information here:
A Framework for Thinking About Retirement Income
Addressing Your Complaints
OK, that seems simple enough, right? But I hear a few complaints out there. Let's address them directly.
I Can't Spend as Much
The first one sounds something like this: “But if I wait until 70, I can spend $255,000, not just $205,000. Why wouldn't I do that?”
Don't be silly. If you wait until age 70 to retire, you can probably spend FAR MORE than $255,000 per year. Not only do you get to leave that $750,000 in the portfolio, but you get another 10 years of compounding. Plus, there are another 10 years of contributing to Social Security, resulting in a higher benefit than $75,000, and another 10 years of contributing to your nest egg. Yes, if you wait until age 70 to retire, you can spend more than $205,000. In fact, you'll be able to spend more than $255,000. It wouldn't surprise me if you could spend more than $400,000 or even $500,000. That's just the effect of more time in the accumulation phase.
But there's a cost. That cost is 10 years of work. And 10 fewer years in retirement. To make matters worse, all 10 of those years are likely go-go years. It's your choice. As boxing great George Foreman said, “The question isn't at what age I want to retire; it's at what income.”
But That's Complicated
Another complaint I hear is that it is a lot of work to build a TIPS ladder. Yes, it's much easier to just dump money into a TIPS mutual fund or ETF. Or even that money market fund. But I think the guarantees are probably worth it, particularly if that Social Security replacement fund is a large part of your nest egg (1/3 or more). There are even websites to help you set up a TIPS ladder, such as Tipsladder.com. You don't even have to open a clunky TreasuryDirect account; you can just buy the TIPS at your brokerage at Vanguard, Fidelity, or Schwab. You can even do it in retirement accounts if you want, although you'll have to manage the tax consequences of withdrawals from a tax-deferred account. And if this is all just too hard, maybe you should hire a financial advisor to help. We have plenty of good financial planners/asset managers to recommend. They're not free, but they do give good advice at a fair price.
I'm Going to Ignore Social Security
A lot of people worry that Social Security is in political peril. While I do not share that worry, given its popularity, it's not impossible that benefits would be reduced or even disappear. The problem with ignoring it, however, is that it may result in you oversaving, underspending, or working longer than you would prefer. I figure that even if you're a super pessimist, don't assume Social Security won't be there; just discount it by 25%. Even when Social Security “runs out of money” in a decade or so, there will still be enough taxes to pay 75% of currently promised benefits without any changes to the program.
If our hypothetical couple simply takes 4% of that nest egg from age 60, without any sort of Social Security fund, they'll be spending $4,000,000 * 4% = $160,000 instead of the $205,000 I think they should be spending. That's 22% less. And off the top too, so it's all the fun stuff.
If you, like most, should delay your Social Security benefit to age 70, I hope you now understand how to live/spend/withdraw between your retirement date and age 70.
What do you think? When do you plan to retire? When do you plan to claim Social Security? What is your plan between those dates?
This tool is great: https://www.tipsladder.com/ … it tells you exactly what tips and how many you need to buy to provide a given infation adjusted income
Playing around with it you’ll see that you only need to have your tips liability match the final year because the interest from the tips ladder will cover some of the money you need each year. So if seeting up a 10 year ladder, the 10 year tips should match your social security, but the 9th year tips can be a little smaller, the 8 year a little smaller than that, 7 year smaller than that etc. The higher the current real interest rate, the less your tips ladder will cost you.
For example, a.10-year ladder for the 2026-2035 providing inflation adjusted 75K each year only costs $705,272 because real interest rates are currently in the 1.5% range. Next year ~$65000 would come from the tips that is maturing and the other 10K comes from interest on the rest of the ladder.
Conversely, if real interest rates were negative (as is often the case), you’d need more than $750,000 to buy your tips ladder
I must of missed it, but what accounted for the dramatic increase in income from 2019-2022?
Not sure you missed anything. Not sure we’ve spent much time publicly talking about our personal income or WCI’s revenue since we started worrying about our kids being kidnapped. But obviously some portion of it is “Medicare earnings” each year.
The paranoia is real when you start making big $. When I was younger I desired recognition and got a definite ego boost from certain things. However, anonymity is something I cherish more and more with each passing year.
Spot on, Jim. By retiring before age 70 and covering spending with your own assets, you are effectively ‘buying’ a bigger Social Security payment, the only inflation-adjusted lifetime annuity still available to retirees today. It’s an effective way to floor one’s income.
It probably wasn’t in keeping with your main thesis in this post, but perhaps it should be pointed out that in the case of one spouse earning a much higher income than the other, the lower earning spouse may want to claim SS benefits at age 62 even if the higher earning spouse waits until age 70.
Yes, the SS claiming decision is much more complicated when there are two earners. The point of this post was just to show people HOW to wait until 70.
Did you personally buy a tips ladder for yourself from 60 until 70 or decide you were too rich not to bother?
We start buying some individual 5-10 year TIPS at auction a few years ago, but decided within the last year it was more hassle than it was worth to us so we’ve gone back to just putting our TIPS money in SCHP. As the individual TIPS mature we’ll move the money into there.
I’m not seeing the benefit of a TIPS ladder compared to sticking with a regular balanced portfolio. Why not just spend from taxable, rebalance in tax-advantaged, and ride out the volatility? Or use a flexible withdrawal rule to manage sequence risk instead?
The TIPS ladder gives you a huge psychological advantage and no need to use flexible rules. With the balanced portfolio you are unlikely to be taking your future social security into account into your spending and will spend less than you actually can. Say you are 60, expecting 50K in social security at 70, expect to spend 80K in retirement, and have 2 Million. Without a tips ladder you may be sweating your 4% withdrawal rate during a downturn. In an environment with 0% real interest rates, the tips ladder for 10 years to match your expected social secuirty would cost you 500K. So 50K is covered from the ladder and your other $1.5 million only needs to cover 30K. Only a 2% withdrawal rate. Your likely not sweating at all with that and likely will spend more than you would otherwise. Yes, it’s just a mental game, but I think most would spend more with the ladder than they would otherwise.
This makes sense and I appreciate the thoughtful reply.
In the above scenario, if the retiree were 50 instead of 60, then I’m guessing it would cost about $1MM for a 20-year TIPS ladder, leaving $1MM to cover $30K, or a 3% withdrawal rate. So not as good a deal for a very early retiree? Is it even possible to buy TIPS that mature in 20 years?
Maybe not as good a deal, although the guarantee still has value. A 50 year old has to wait at least 12 years to take Social Security of course.
Yeah, you can buy a 20-year tips on the secondary market. Most people create tips ladders by buying all of the tips on the secondary market at once rather than building it rung-by-rung buying 5,10,or 30 year tips when they issue at auction.
A 20-year tips ladder giving 50K a year would cost 1 million when real interest rates are 0%, currently real interest rates are close to 2% and the current cost of a current 20-year 50K tips ladder is only about 840K. And if you were buying a 20-year ladder that provides an inflation adjusted 50K in 2025 dollars and starts in 10 years (for example if you were 40 now and wanted to buy this to start when you are 50), it’s only about 750K right now. Of course it comes with the opportunity cost of not having that money be in the market.
And yes, the math gets worse the more years your tips ladder is covering
The value is the guarantee (fixed amount of real money to spend each year). Like an annuity, some view that guarantee as worth paying for. It doesn’t sound like you do.
What about dealing with the ‘phantom income’ problem of TIPS? Is it overblown? If the only income I have is from TIPs and maybe occasionally selling/rebalancing funds in my taxable account (barring a selling in a big downturn) then do I need to worry about the phantom income of TIPS pushing my income too high, or is that negligible?
Also great explanation of how to use and apply a TIPS ladder, would any I BONDS I have be able to be incorporated somehow into this strategy since they see also inflation-indexed bonds?
I guess run the numbers and see if it is negligible to you. We got some phantom income from individual TIPS held in taxable the last few years. It was negligible to us. But I suppose if a huge chunk of your portfolio were in individual TIPS in taxable, it might not be negligible to you at all. The higher inflation, the higher the phantom income and the taxes on it.
I decided to retire at 60, but collect SS at FRA, as there is little benefit to waiting past FRA, especially if one spouse has a much lower income, since the spousal income is based on PIA.
Also, from what I remember the SS calculator does not allow for inflation, so it under reports your actual final benefit in most cases. Even if it does, inflation is an unknown, so over 10 years this can be significant miss in either direction depending on what happens.
Granted SS is an inflation adjusted annuity, but waiting 2-3 more years past FRA, means you actually get 2-3 LESS years of that annuity, which is by the way 15% tax-free.
I was SHOCKED one of the most popular Instagram accounts and among the boglehead good guys, Matt the money guy, was so anti waiting until 70 for social security. I’m 100% on team WCI to wait. Mike Piper also makes it sound so obvious on the WCI pod how math favors waiting
https://www.instagram.com/p/DOoEvRxjdB0/?img_index=2&igsh=MTFvN3NkMXp4amhxMw==
What’s his argument? That it’s not going to be there so get what you can? That you can outinvest it? That the guarantee isn’t worth anything? Those are the usual ones I hear.
“I’d say the only reason to wait would be if you’re earning enough to zero out the benefit. Your benefit gets recalculated at FRA to account for years it was reduced due to earnings, so it’s not totally lost earnings. It all gets recovered when the benefit is recalculated so worst case it’s neutral, while best case you get money earlier. The problem with waiting is it takes so long to break even on gross benefit (not even assuming that you invest any of the social security payments you get by taking it earlier). With a very long break even I think it hugely weighs the decision towards taking it earlier.
Plus given a potential reduction in the future, it’s even more of an incentive to get what you can now.“
Even considering the time value of money his math doesn’t math. The only time the math says to take it early is if you have no spouse and expect to die young, or if your allocation is 100% stock with no fixed income and you want to invest all the SS. The latter isn’t very realistic or reasonable
For someone’s goal is to maximizing spending, I think the calculation boils down to whether purchasing 8 years of TIPS (to cover 62 to 69) reduces your net worth (outisde of your TIPS ladder) to a point where taking from your net worth at your desired withdrawal rate plus your 70 year social security number is more or less than what taking from your net worth (without having bought a tips ladder) at your desired withdrawal rate plus social security at 62. You can also change the number of years of tips and the age of social security to figure out for years other than 62.
Basically compare (DWR = desired withdrawl rate):
(Net Worth – cost of TIPS ladder)*DWR + SS @ 70 with
(Net Worth)*DWR +SS @ 62
Simplifying the equations in the comparison you get to the question
is
(SS@70 – SS @62) – (TIPS ladder cost)*DWR > 0 ?
If so, do the tips ladder and wait. If not take the SS at 62.
Alternatively, compute (SS@70 – SS@62) / DWR. If the number is greater than the cost of an 8 year TIPS ladder that provides the yearly income of SS@70, you should wait to claim. You could also replace (SS@70-SS@62) with 0.54*SS@67
If real interest rates are zero this simplies further (because a tips ladder will cost 8 times the income you need to replace and SS@70 = 1.24*SS@67) to whether 0.54*SS@67 / DWR > 1.24*(8*SS@67) or going futher whether
DWR < 5.443548% … if yes, delaying is better, if no taking now is better
note at 67, the math works out to whether DWR < 6.451613%. — (.24/(1.24*3))
if real interest rates are positive, the bigger the DWR can be for delaying to be better, if real inerest rates are negative, the lower the DWR can be
taxes not considered in this math, but to that I say taxes shmaxes
i did all this math on the fly in the post, so it's all probably wrong
Sounds like he doesn’t place much value on the best deal on an inflation indexed annuity out there.
A few years ago, I was thinking a lot about how to build a bridge to Social Security at 70. However, my dear husband has worked much longer than I expected. As a result, we haven’t needed to construct that bridge. I’m still pondering whether I should build a TIPS ladder for guaranteed real income beyond what Social Security will provide.
You’re not alone. Lots of people debate back and forth whether it is worth it for them.
I am 38, 6 years into practice, and plan to retire around 60. Thanks for sharing this online calculator, it was fun to play with. However, I am wondering if this kind of planning this far out is unproductive, as who knows what will happen to social security by the time I’m 60.
On “since we all get Social Security statements every year” mentioned in the post, I never got any Social Security statements (became a citizen a couple of years ago). Do they come in the mail? Any idea how to “sign up” for them?
Now, SSA only sends a reminder to check your statement online. They stopped mailing statements a year or two back. Go to ssa.gov and sign up. Everyone should.
You should be able to see them online anyway. Just get a log in to ssa.gov.
From an estate planning perspective, SS ends when both couples die. Someone who retires at 65 uses personal assets until 70 then takes SS . If they happen to die at 75, they would have received 5 yrs of SS money and ( between 65-70) used 5 years of personal assets.
Remaining personal assets can be inherited by children.
If SS was taken at 65 and you passed at 75, you would have gotten 10 yrs of SS benefits out the system and have more personal assets left to bequest because you did not touch personal assets ( or uses less) starting at 65. It seems unless you are dependent on SS to survive, taking it early could allow personal assets to grow longer.
Yes, if you die earlier than expected, taking it early is a good idea. Darn crystal ball. There’s also the effect of if you die early you don’t need those assets anyway but if you die late, you may very well need that extra SS.
What part of the portfolio would be best to fund the TIPs ladder if you could choose? Purchase from taxable or buy in the IRA?
Impossible to answer without looking at the whole picture. The nice thing about the IRA is there is no phantom tax issues. But your desired IRA withdrawals and your desired TIPS withdrawals may not line up very well. Or your IRA isn’t big enough. Or you don’t have much in taxable anyway. Or whatever. Not a question that can be answered in isolation.
All these solutions are quite reasonable. One very elegant mathematical solution is from The Big ERN who has done the math and created tables to calculate a sustainable withdrawal rate that factors in a future income stream from Social Security or pension.
I looked at it for myself, and if I was to quit now at age 50, my Social Security that would start at age 70 would allow me to increase my present sustainable withdrawal rate by roughly 0.2
https://earlyretirementnow.com/2023/02/06/evaluating-annuities-pensions-social-security-swr-series-part-56/
Sorry here’s the correct link
https://earlyretirementnow.com/2017/07/19/the-ultimate-guide-to-safe-withdrawal-rates-part-17-social-security/amp/
For married seniors over 65 the new tax law actually encourages holding off on taking social security. Say you make 50k in earned income, then sell 200k of stock that has appreciated 100%. There’s your spending money for the year. Your MAGI will be about 150k, there are about 50k in deductions for seniors with that income, so you end up with the magic 100k taxable income – capital gains taxed at 0%, regular income 12%. Tax bill very low. The more that you tip this in favor of selling stock, the lower the tax bill. “Malleable income” is the key until those large IRA distributions start. And of course by then, the larger percentage of your income that is from Social Security is a subtle advantage as only 85% of it is taxed.