Fidelity's New 0% Expense Ratio Mutual Fund
A few days ago Fidelity introduced the first 0% Expense Ratio on a mutual fund, specifically a total stock market index fund tracking their own made-up index. This was the logical progression of a marketing strategy that they, along with Charles Schwab, have used over the last few years with limited success in order to compete with Vanguard, who made their name and became the world's biggest mutual fund company on low-cost index funds. It looks like this:
Basically, here is the way it works:
- Vanguard Admiral Shares Total Stock Market Index Fund – ER 0.04%
- Fidelity Total Market Index Premium Fund – ER 0.015%
- Schwab Total Stock Market Index Fund 0.03%
and all of a sudden the investor who has been told that “expenses matter” assumes that differences of 1-3 basis points matter. Yes, they matter, but not very much. And in fact, once you've gotten down to differences of less than 10-20 basis points, they matter a whole lot less than some other things. That principle still applies with the natural continuation of this strategy that is happening over at Fidelity. If you missed it, it looks like this:
Based on the number of people who are actually thinking about changing their investment holdings based on this change, I would say that this MARKETING STRATEGY is working very well. Notice I said marketing strategy, not investing strategy. (A more cynical investor might even call it a publicity stunt.) There is no new investing strategy going on here. It's the same old, same old investing strategy – buy all the stocks, hold them, keep your costs and taxes down, and in the long run, your money grows at the same rate as the market and if you save enough, you become financially independent.
Is Fidelity Zero Funds Worth It?
So let's talk about what's really going on here. Let me lead you through a little logic.
- Vanguard has the largest index funds, thus they benefit the most from economies of scale.
- Vanguard operates at cost.
- Therefore, an index fund that charges less than Vanguard is operating at less than cost. Thus, it is a money loser. (And no, I don't buy the argument that Fidelity just runs a more efficient operation with a fund 1/14th the size.)
- A for-profit business only loses money on a product line for two reasons: either it will soon make money on it or it hopes to make it up elsewhere.
- If your strategy is to attract the non-sticky money using a very slightly lower ER, and then you raise prices, that same non-sticky money will then leave you.
- Therefore, the only possible reason for Fidelity/Schwab/etc to charge less than it costs to run a mutual fund is so they can make money on their other products.
Now, ask yourself the following:
- “Do I really want to support a business doing that with my investment dollars in order to save 1-4 basis points?”
- “Would Fidelity/Schwab/etc be doing this if it wasn't for Vanguard giving investors a fair shake on Wall Street?”
What Matters with Index Funds
The other thing to keep in mind, of course, is that expense ratio is not all that matters when it comes to index funds. There are really only three things to pay attention to here:
- What index?
- How well does the fund track it?
- Do I get other benefits like tax-efficiency, simplicity, status (Flagship) etc?
Notice that expense ratio isn't on that list. That's because it is baked into # 2. The higher the cost, the less well the fund tracks its index. Also, bear in mind that if you're investing in a taxable account, the return you care about is the after-tax return.
Let's look at a few examples, using fairly long-term returns (15 year annualized returns as of 6/30/18) and a neutral source (Morningstar.)
Oh crap. What does that tell you? Well, it essentially refutes the hypothesis that a lower cost index fund provides higher returns. I'm not going to argue that 9.77% is significantly different from 9.71%, but that's essentially the point. Once you get expense ratios “low enough,” you should no longer focus on them. That fact isn't going to change just because the number is 0.00% rather than 0.03% or 0.015%.
“But wait,” the critic says. “Fidelity and Schwab didn't lower their ERs until more recently.”
Okay, let's look at 1-year returns from the same source.
Nope. It just turns out that Vanguard is better at indexing than Fidelity and Schwab. Is that really a surprise to anyone? Let's dive into the details here a bit.
Which Index?
The Vanguard fund tracks the CRSP US Total Market Index while the Fidelity fund and the Schwab fund track the Dow Jones US Total Stock Market Index (and the new Fidelity fund will track its own proprietary index.) Well, which index has the highest return? It turns out there is a correct answer to this question, which some very dedicated Boglehead wiki editor has compiled.
As you can see, the total market index with the highest return is the Wilshire 5000. But whether the CRSP or the Dow Jones is a higher performing index depends on the time period you look at it. At 5 years, CRSP wins. At 15 years, Dow Jones wins. To make matters even more complicated, these index funds CHANGE which index they're following from time to time. The Vanguard fund used to follow the MSCI index, for instance. But the MSCI index has only been around since 2004, the year I started investing. That means the fund used to track a completely different index.
My point is that which index you track matters a whole lot more than a couple of basis points in expense ratio.
How Well Does A Fund Track Its Index?
Not only does the index matter, but how well it tracks its index matters too. This information is readily available on each company website:
The index is spliced to reflect the fact that they've tracked multiple indices in the past. But as you can see, Vanguard does a VERY good job of tracking its index. In fact, the tracking error (0-0.02% depending on time period) is less than the expense ratio. How can they do that? Well, that's one advantage of being big. Not only do you benefit from economies of scale, but you also have a lot of stocks to lend out to short sellers, and because you're running it at cost, you pass those benefits on to the shareholders.
Don't worry, Fidelity and Schwab do a fine job of tracking their index too, maybe even a better job than Vanguard.
But there are index funds that do a terrible job. Check out the Rydex S&P 500 fund.
Yea, that's right. It underperformed its index by 2.5% per year over 10 years. The fact that this fund still exists might be the best example of a lack of financial literacy among investors that I know of. 2%+ for an index fund ER. Unbelievable.
Additional Factors
So, now that we've seen that the difference in expense ratios among Vanguard, Fidelity, and Schwab matter far less than which index is tracked and how well it is tracked, let's consider some other factors.
Tax Efficiency
Vanguard has a HUGE advantage here, as it can “flush” its capital gains out by using its ETF share class, which Fidelity and Schwab do not have. Consider the after-tax returns for the last 5 years (once more, this is all per Morningstar as of 6/30/18):
Now I'm not going to argue that 1-3 basis points matter much, but 23? You're starting to get my attention now.
Simplicity
Let's say you're not just investing in a basic 3 fund portfolio. You actually want a half dozen or more asset classes in your portfolio. Such as small cap value. Oh wait, Fidelity doesn't have a small value index fund. Neither does Schwab. Yet Vanguard has had one for two decades. Maybe a better strategy for Fidelity would be to offer index funds in asset classes that Vanguard doesn't (International Small Cap Value anyone?) rather than getting a “me-too” drug fund and spending all its money on marketing instead of research and development.
I'm amazed to hear about investors thinking about switching from the Vanguard to the Fidelity Total Stock Market fund, or worse, switching to the brand new 0% ER Fidelity fund. That's not even worth my time to fill out the rollover paperwork, especially since I'll then have assets at both institutions (or else pay fees each time I buy and sell the other's fund.) That'll make rebalancing fun. And to pay capital gains taxes in order to switch? Now you're really making a mistake.
Status
In addition, spreading your assets among multiple institutions will also delay the time it takes to reach “fancy-pants” status at that institution. At Vanguard, Flagship status ($1M invested) gives you a personal representative, some free advice and trades, and some other assorted minor benefits. Fidelity has something similar (Private Client), but it's not nearly as good, like most of what is at Fidelity.
Should You Switch? The Bottom Line
If your money is already at Fidelity or Schwab and you have a simple portfolio, go ahead and use their index funds guilt-free, especially if you're in a tax-protected account. But if your money is at Vanguard like mine, there is absolutely NO reason to switch based on trivial differences in expense ratio. And you certainly don't want to pay any capital gains taxes to switch one way or the other. The reason that Vanguard is the biggest mutual fund company in the world is that they've earned the trust of millions of investors by doing the right thing over and over and over again. Are they perfect? Not even close, but ownership matters, and in the case of Vanguard, you're the owner. Show a little loyalty to your own company. They're still doing the right thing.
What do you think? Were you impressed by these ER reductions? Why or why not? Comment below!
Absolutely spot on, WCI.
I’ve been getting asked about these new funds over on my blog as well. My basic reply:
“There is, in my view, zero chance that FZROX will maintain a 0% ER for 60 years (as one of my readers suggested). Or even six. These are loss leaders and loss leaders are short term hooks to lure in the suckers, er, investors.
“Vanguard is structured to seek ever lower costs for its shareholders.
Fidelity is structured to seek maximum profits for its owners, which means raising ERs whenever possible.
“Plus, FZROX still has operating expenses. Fidelity is just shifting those expenses to the holders of their other funds. I have an ethical issue with that. Not to mention a practical one if I owned one those other funds.
“One last thing that likely no one but cranky old geezers like me even know or care about:
“Back in the 1970s and early 1980s, when indexing was new and struggling for acceptance, Fidelity led the effort to strangle the concept in its crib. They recognized the threat indexing represented to their very profitable (to them) traditional high fee mutual funds. Those are where their hearts still lie. They’d kick indexing to the curb the moment they thought they could get away with it.
“Something to think about when making a long-term investment.”
Going forward, I’ll now be adding a link to this excellent post. 🙂
I don’t know that they’ll ever raise the ER given the name. Now fold the fund into the other similar index funds….that wouldn’t surprise me a bit. Remember these funds do raise some money with securities lending, of course, that can cover some of the expense.
That was very interesting. It also took you a lot of time and resources to see why the 0 % is so insignificant compared to a few low basis points. Pretty good marketing on Fidelity’s side.
However, I appreciate your info and will stay with my Vanguard program. ( I have been with Vanguard for the past 12 years.)
Not really. I knew it as soon as I saw it. But it did take a lot of time to explain it to my readers! Going from a 1% ER to a 0.1% ER is a big deal. Going from a 0.04% ER to a 0.00% ER is not. It’s all about the absolute change.
Inspiring post! What if I already have investment in Fidelity (tax advantaged from my current and past employers and after tax account). Should I consider starting after tax investment account in Vanguard? Is simplicity of managing all investment in one company (Fidelity) more important the benefits of Vanguard has over Fidelity? Any potential issues with transfer my assets (before and after tax) from Fidelity to Vanguard?
Appreciate your help!
Inspiring post! What if I already have investment in Fidelity (tax advantaged from my current and past employers and after tax account). Should I consider starting after tax investment account in Vanguard? Is simplicity of managing all investment in one company (Fidelity) more important than the benefits of Vanguard index funds have over Fidelity’s? Any potential issues with transfer my assets (before and after tax) from Fidelity to Vanguard? I know it will be troublesome to sell the index funds in after tax account from Fidelity, switch to Vanguard and pay taxes on gains. However, my future investment will go straight to Vanguard without any problems. Worth to switch?
Appreciate your help!
Fidelity’s low cost index funds are fine. They’re both excellent choices. Just like tiny differences in expense ratio shouldn’t make a Vanguard investor run to Fidelity, tiny advantages at Vanguard shouldn’t make one do the opposite.
I certainly wouldn’t pay any capital gains to switch in either direction.
Thank you for the read and doing some legwork in the numbers. I’ve only just learned of the zero ER funds at Fidelity. You have validified my initial thought of staying where I am at Vanguard.
An expense ratio difference of 0.025 (0.04-0.015) may not mean much for small accounts but what do you think about larger accounts?
A 500 g retirement account means a n ER differnce of over 12 g per year. That is not chump change. And that difference only gets larger with time.
Would the switch be worth it if one has a larger account, say 200 g, and may be another 20-30 years to retirement?
I get being loyal is important, but we are all investors here & keeping the emotions at bay is paramount, no? Wonder what St. Bogle himself would have said about this..
Your math is off by a factor of 100. At these tiny differences, expense ratio isn’t the most important thing.
Yep, figured it out soon after posting. Good thing my wife does the budgeting. Sent you an email yesterday to disregard the post. Thanks for your reply.
On a different matter, just listened to your interview with Dr. Bernstein-great stuff!
What are your thoughts on small cap value at this time? He said they may not be great value at the time because they were priced on the higher side. But what about now?
In the off chance you like it a bit more than VTSAX now, which particular one do you like the most?
What do you mean “like”? I invest in both. 25% of my portfolio is in TSM and 15% is SV. I like them both equally. Over the last decade, TSM has outperformed. Perhaps that means SV will outperform over the next decade, but nobody really knows.
Dr. Bernstein said that SC value stocks were prized a bit high back when you interviewed him. I guess what i am asking is, now during this bear market, how do you tell when a such stocks have a good price?
I guess you could compare the difference between the PE of TSM and SV now and back then to decide. But bear in mind that valuations only loosely correlate with future returns.
Dr. Dahle/Jim
I am new to WCI [ well, not really, new new, but I started listen to Podcast extensively laterly].
What is the Fidelity equivalent of Vanguard 3 funds profilio, I have both Vanguard/Fidelity accounts,
I moved my HSA to Fidelity[ after checking with WCI] but recently moved taxable accounts to Fidelity, along with my partners
questions again
1- What is the Fidelity equivalent of 3 Vangaurd profilio
2- should I use Fidelity zero fund[ where my HSA] or find Vanguard 3 fund profilio equivalent @ fidelity.
1) Fidelity Total Market Index Fund, Fidelity Total International Index Fund, Fidelity US Bond Market Fund. Was this a trick question? You could even use their fancy new Zero ER funds if you want.
FZROX- TSM
FZILX- TISM
https://www.fidelity.com/mutual-funds/investing-ideas/index-funds
2) What does your written investment plan say you should use? How do you plan to use your HSA? What is your risk tolerance? Do you consider your HSA part of your overall portfolio or as a stand alone portfolio? I know your question sounds really simple to you, and certainly there are far stupider things to do than just stick it all in one of the Fidelity Zero ER index funds, but I’m not sure answering the question you’re asking is doing you a favor.
https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/investing/you-need-an-investing-plan/
Hi Dr Dahle. As always thanks for all you do for us. 2 Questions
1. I have been doing mommie track for last 10 years so I worked part time, spouse is not MD so our total income was about 180k but house is paid off, no major debt on cars and student loans paid off. Bout 100k in 403b and 50k in IRA. Now I have gone full throttle private practice and 2019 being first year of private practice saved about 22k in SEP IRA I have done that with fidelity (FZROX and FXAIX). 2020 would be doing 401k as and employer/employee so hopefully can put 55k away and for 2019 total income was around 340k. So my questions for you are.
1. 2019 I still have time to do back door roth ira but I will have to move SEP IRA (fidelity) and traditional IRA (vanguard) all to the 401k that plan to open with guideline and put majority in VSTAX, VTI,VGT. is this something you would recommend? Any specific funds in vanguard you would recommend (we are in 40s) to do
2. Should I wait and do Backdoor roth next year 2021 with hoping income stays same. Or would you recommend to put a chunk (50k) in other things like real estate funds and do rest with vanguard funds.
3. thank you very much
Sorry correction I know 2019 I can not do Roth IRA I meant for 2020 can I do roth ira or wait and do in 2021
There’s lots of time to make an IRA contribution for 2020. About 9 more months.
You better get that contribution in STAT but you have til the end of the year to do the rollovers. Just don’t put the new contribution in the same IRA as the old one! As far as the investments in the account, you need a plan. https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/investing/you-need-an-investing-plan/ Yes, those funds are good, but they need to be part of an overall investing plan.
If you have $50K to invest, yes I’d put $6K of it into a Backdoor Roth IRA next year. Then I would invest according to my written plan. Mine includes real estate funds and Vanguard funds. Be sure to keep investment accounts separate from the investments inside them in your mind.
Question for Dr. Dahle& all
What is the difference(s) between Fidelity total market index Funds and Fidelity ZERO total market index Funds?
If you have a choice between these two, which one would you invested in and why?
I understand the marketing aspect of having a “zero” cost fund. Why didnt Fideltiy just convert these total market index funds to zero market index funds?. are the total market index funds superior to “zero” market index funds?.
same question, asked 4-5 different ways.
will appreciate your input.
They’re both fine. I think the new Zero ones are slightly better so the one Fidelity fund I own is a Zero TSM fund in my HSA. (I also own the Vanguard TSM ETF in there. All three are really nearly identical.) If you want the deepest answer, look at the different indices they follow.
You’ll have to ask Fidelity why they didn’t combine the two. I’d start with the marketing department.
I completely agree it’s not worth to switch. But isn’t it a good idea to have account on both vanguard and Fidelity rather than having all your money trusted in one company? Who knows what the company will face in 30/ 40 years? What if a cyber attack wipe out all documents or a bad manager screw things up? All things being equal how about split your assets in to two places? I know this is a little paranoid. It might be a little more work to balance accounts in two different places though.
If it is worth the additional complexity to you then go for it. But I wouldn’t lay awake at night worried about money at Vanguard or Fidelity.
In my case my money is split naturally between Vanguard (taxable and Roth IRAs and kids’ accounts), Fidelity (401K and HSA), Schwab (the other 401(k)), and the TSP (the old 401k). But I’m not going to go open another taxable account (my largest account) at Fidelity because I’m worried about something happening at Vanguard.