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  • Lordosis Lordosis
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    So I just did my first solo road trip with the AWD model 3 and can say it was the best road trip experience I’ve had.

    The trip was 750 miles each way, google estimated time to be 11 hours and 15 minutes. The last time I made that trip in an ICE car was around 12 hours I believe because of the stops and having our dog. During that trip, we changed drivers a lot and were pretty tired after getting to our friend’s house.

    The tesla website estimated the trip to take 15 hours, but when plugging it into the in car navigation, it estimated it to be 12.5 hours. abetterrouteplanner said the same.

    The way there it took about 13 hours and 15 minutes because of lots of traffic. It was cold and rainy with passing a few accidents, including a flipped semi truck. Also had to detour through small roads to get there. Only had range anxiety once because it had me getting to the next supercharger with 4% battery left. With it being cold and rainy, I decided to be on the safer side and stop at another supercharging station the car wanted me to skip. Getting to my friend’s house I felt good and helped set up for the celebration party they were having.

    On the way back, much nicer weather without accident traffic and I was able to skip the charger I stopped at on the way there with the overall trip taking the advertised 12.5 hours.

    I have the basic autopilot and it worked really well. I’d estimate that about 80-90% of highway driving was done with the car on autopilot, even in the mild-moderate rain and wet roads. I’d just rest my hand on the wheel to provide slight torque to let it know I was paying attention or just play radio DJ as changing volume or song resets the autopilot nag. It handled most situations perfectly. The car doesn’t seem to like where lanes merge together or add on. Basically when one line disappears and now the line it sees is from the other lane merging on, it would center itself between the two lanes for a short period of time. Another thing the car doesn’t like is when cars drifts into your lane. The car tends to be overly cautious and brake/slow a fair amount as if the car is going to change into your lane (when most human drivers would just think the other car was drifting and not worry too much). It even handled construction zones with new/vague line markings.

    Charging was easy as the car just told me what to do. Stop here, charge for 20-30 minutes and then get to the next stop about 2-3 hours later. The charge usually was around 15-80%. The charging stations had amenities (gas station, supermarket, fast food restaurants) nearby but required a short (100-200 ft) walk. At the charging stops, I usually got a snack/drink, used the restroom then came back to the car. There were a couple of times where I sat in the car for 5 minutes to wait for an extra little bit of charge before heading to the next charger.

    I usually drive pretty conservatively on my morning commute and lifetime average usage was 212 wh/mi. the trip averaged around 270 wh/mi going 75-80 most of the way. I currently have free super charging miles so it was free, but estimated costs were $31 each way for using the superchargers.

    Another thing I noticed was that I’ve gotten so used to the minimalist interior. I sat in my friend’s new lexus rx (I think the middle suv size) and was overwhelmed by all the buttons and knobs everywhere. also their in car navigation was awful like a tomtom from 15 years ago and half of the screen didn’t make any sense. I did notice how it seemed to have slightly less road noise and a more satisfying clunk when closing their door.

    Overall, a very pleasant experience. The seats are comfortable so no real pain from sitting for a long time. Even when I had to readjust my seating position, the car was on autopilot and easier than trying to adjust while steering. As for arriving feeling refreshed, not sure if it was from the forced stops every 2-3 hours or the less mental energy used from autopilot. Half way through the trip I decided to check out car-aoke or the in car karaoke feature and it’s great. Something about singing a karaoke song while driving through the state is fun. Sweet home Alabama, Tennessee whiskey, take me home country roads, new York new York (I didn’t drive through NY but it’s still a great song), party in the usa while driving through the usa

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    Were you solo?  Another adult?  Kids?

    “Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.”

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    Avatar Nysoz
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    I did the trip solo. Fiancee was supposed to come but decided not to due to school. I could see how adding kids or other bladders to the mix would be hard, as the charging stations forces you to take stops in certain places at preplanned spots.

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    Lordosis Lordosis
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    I could see how adding kids or other bladders to the mix would be hard, as the charging stations forces you to take stops in certain places at preplanned spots.

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    You guess my concerns exactly.  Taking a break every couple hours is actually a good thing with kids but they never seem to want to pee when it is convenient.

     

    Improvements in battery life and charging speed continue to amaze me.  Other then some superficial changes cars evolution has slowed dramatically over the past 50 years.  Until recently.  I hope that it continue to advance and by the time I hop into an EV there will be few negatives.

    “Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.”

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    Zaphod Zaphod
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    I could see how adding kids or other bladders to the mix would be hard, as the charging stations forces you to take stops in certain places at preplanned spots. 

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    You guess my concerns exactly.  Taking a break every couple hours is actually a good thing with kids but they never seem to want to pee when it is convenient.

     

    Improvements in battery life and charging speed continue to amaze me.  Other then some superficial changes cars evolution has slowed dramatically over the past 50 years.  Until recently.  I hope that it continue to advance and by the time I hop into an EV there will be few negatives.

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    Yep. You will never make a great time when the family is in, you’ll need to stop way too often.

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    Avatar StarTrekDoc
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    Timed voids works pretty well–even for kids.  A forced roadside inbetween usually will solve that the next timed void.    <4 year olds — that’s just part of life and minivans.

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    childay childay
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    You mean ya’ll don’t cath your kids for roadtrips?

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    Avatar RosieQ
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    Be sure to check your electric rate plan before a potential Tesla (or other EV) purchase. We have a unique situation where we are in a semi rural area and use of a lot of electric. We also have solar power and PG&E will buy back solar power with a credit for peak/off peak that corresponds to the time for peak/off peak on your rate plan. They just introduced a new rate plan for EV charging putting lower off peak pricing (good) at $0.16/kw which is affordable but a bit above the national average. However they extended the off peak time from 12am all the way out to 3pm (bad), so they credit your solar power generation back to you at off peak rates all the way until 3pm, so most of the daylight solar hours would then get off peak credits. Our current estimated anual electric bill with solar is around $645. Switching to the EV2-A charging plan WITHOUT actually charging increases price to $1255 for increase of $610 just by bad arbitrage between solar generation and buy back at peak vs off peak. Then add in the EV charging for 20,000 miles driving a year and price goes up to $2565 year. That’s $1920 extra per year or around $160 per month…pretty much exactly what I would pay for gas. None of this crazy money savings that is advertised due to the solar power penalty. To come out ahead we would need to invest around $25k more in both extra panels and then add a battery storage to minimize peak power consumption in the late afternoon and evenings. Alternatively pay around $2k to install a second power meter and then pay $0.16 at night, but still several thousand in extra outlay negating a lot of the savings of EV charging compared to gas.

     

    With CA off peak EV plan pricing now above $0.16, plus other extra penalties I’m just not seeing how you get the Tesla advertized savings at all which they compare to $0.13/kwh. It’s still a blast to drive with amazing performance, and I’ll still likely get one in a few months but that’s because I can afford it and not because I think I’ll save money.

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    Avatar Tim
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    Does anyone think EV charging would tempt companies to set pricing to take advantage of all those cars charging overnight?
    Pretty soon the battery disposal issue might become a revenue stream. What taxing entity would dare tax a revenue source?
    Tax credit, neutral, tax. Maturing industries are revenue sources. Don’t think we have any idea where this ends.
    Who is going to pay the roadway taxes when gas is outlawed? The economics will shake out later.

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    Avatar Kamban
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    @RosieQ California power rates are always a mystery to me. When I see rates as high as 0.42/Kwh I just shake my head in wonder. I think most of the country pays $0.08-0.16/Kwh. Mine is 0.11/kWh including all taxes and surcharges with no peak / off peak variation.

    But if you have a off peak between 12 midnight and 3 PM why not set the charging between 1 and 6 AM and some of the daylight electricity credit can be used for charging. Or maybe I have no idea how your complicated buy back works.

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    CordMcNally CordMcNally
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    Does anyone think EV charging would tempt companies to set pricing to take advantage of all those cars charging overnight?
    Pretty soon the battery disposal issue might become a revenue stream. What taxing entity would dare tax a revenue source?
    Tax credit, neutral, tax. Maturing industries are revenue sources. Don’t think we have any idea where this ends.
    Who is going to pay the roadway taxes when gas is outlawed? The economics will shake out later.

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    Absolutely, companies (especially the government) are always looking for ways to help their bottom line.

    “But investing isn’t about beating others at their game. It’s about controlling yourself at your own game.”
    ― Benjamin Graham, The Intelligent Investor

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    Avatar StarTrekDoc
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    @Kamban – yep – that’s California!   Gas $4+ and Electricity routinely $.20kwh.  — Sunshine tax

    @RosieQ   We’ve been NEM 1.0 forever.   Last year we moved over to the new SDGE rate plan TOU-5  that’s very EV friendly even though we lost the peak 12n-6p solar times.  That’s mitigated by our battery to allow for time shifting usage and we’re such low users 4p-10p anyways, the battery carries us without issue.   The $0.09 12mn-6A  and through 2pm on weekends were killer benefits for us as we put 30,000mi on the Tesla last year alone (~1000kwh)   Those charge savings easily outweighed the solar generation that we benefiting from on the old NEM 1.0 schedule.

     

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    White.Beard.Doc White.Beard.Doc
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    We don’t have time of use rates where we live, but we do have a plan where they track when you charge your car and reward you for charging at night when usage is low.  We get between $50 and $100 per month in cash every month for charging our cars after midnight.

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    Avatar HumbleInvestor
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    I test drove a Tesla 3 AWD today. The ride is fun but I am disappointed by the lack of rear space (I am not tall by any means and my head hit getting in and my legs could not get out easily) and the interior. I drove in the comfort setting hoping for a quiet drive but the overall noise was comparable to my ICE car. My wife was disappointed as well.

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    Lordosis Lordosis
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    I had an EV back in the early 90s. Jeep Wrangler Power wheels. I remember it had to charge for 18 hours and barely ran for an hour. Needed to replace the battery every couple few years.
    Got the new version for my kids 25 years later. Zero improvements other then a built-in radio. My son is disappointed that it does not run as long now that it is colder.

    “Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.”

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    Avatar StarTrekDoc
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    I had an EV back in the early 90s. Jeep Wrangler Power wheels. I remember it had to charge for 18 hours and barely ran for an hour. Needed to replace the battery every couple few years.
    Got the new version for my kids 25 years later. Zero improvements other then a built-in radio. My son is disappointed that it does not run as long now that it is colder.

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    Cheap lead batteries or worse Ni-Cad.

    @HumbleInvestor – Yeah, the rear sits lower than usual sedan and entry is a bit awkward as well as finding how to open the door in the first place.   Surprised on the road noise aspect.  Usually the loudest part of a regular car experience is the engine.  There’s simply no EV engine noise.  You’ll have road noise no matter what.   FYI comfort setting is for steering wheel and chill mode is the amount of power acceleration –again very little noise from the engine regardless and regen on the braking.   Curious – what car do you both drive now?

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