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  • Avatar StarTrekDoc 
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    230mi is a pretty good daily range and will fit almost everyone’s daily commuter+weekender needs.   Soccer parents may have a little harder time if out driving circles all day and don’t want to recharge sometime during the day on the heavier driving days.

    Most folk these days don’t have 4 car seats.  Pacifica PHEV is your vehicle

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    Avatar Kamban 
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    But until they make a model that can fit 4 car seats it is not something I would really be interested in for a decade

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    I don’t think that there is any modern car that can fit 4 seats unless I am missing a car with 3rd row. You pretty much need a minivan or a large SUV and might need to leave one or 2 car child seats semi-permanently fixed in the 3rd row to manage 4 car seats.

    True but the base model leaves a lot to be desired. If I were to pull that trigger it would be for the long range.

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    I looked at the small cars like BMW 2 series and Audi 4. I was shocked that the base price is $36-37K and with the usual add ons, it will easily top 45K. Things like the 240i start at 46K and they can go on to 70K. Who buys a BMW 2 series for 70K ( I know, there will be discounts but still….).

    Compared to that the $47K long range AWD Tesla M3 is a good deal. You can easily get 225 miles daily with a 90% charge starting out. It will be a good 2nd car for the other parent or if one needs to take only 1 or 2 kids out at a time instead of all 4 in one vehicle.

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    Lordosis Lordosis 
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    It will be a good 2nd car for the other parent or if one needs to take only 1 or 2 kids out at a time instead of all 4 in one vehicle.

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    My thoughts exactly.  Maybe next car (6-8 years from now) Or more likely the one after that.

    “Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.”

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    Avatar Kamban 
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    Telsa has introduced the V10 update that has corrected some things and brought some goodies.

    I thought it was a gimmick to have some games like cuphead and racing, have TuneIn and Spotify and now have YouTube and Netflix and Hulu ( the latter 2 with your own subscription). Not to mention Caraoke of songs.

    But it is great hit with my daughter. And I found that I could watch Netflix with surround sound on a 15 inch screen while waiting to pick her up. It is a great move and I would gladly pay $100 per year for that LTE service. Right now it is a free trial.

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    Avatar StarTrekDoc 
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    Haven’t tried it yet but this weekend will probably have a chance.   Did summon down the street earlier this week and it worked perfectly out of the garage; closing it and everything.   Grandfathered for the LTE for ?? time since got it first couple months.   Don’t know the specifics though

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    Lordosis Lordosis 
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    And I found that I could watch Netflix with surround sound on a 15 inch screen

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    Netflix and Autopilot.  Sounds like a winning combination right there 😛

    “Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.”

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    Avatar Kamban 
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    Netflix and Autopilot. Sounds like a winning combination right there

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    The video does not work while on drive mode ( sensibly, till they get to Level 5 autonomous driving which probably is 10+ years away).

    The words of Caraoke does come on screen while driving though they make you accept that you are a passenger activating it.

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    Lordosis Lordosis 
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    Thanks for clarifying but I was very hopeful that was the case.

    “Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.”

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    Avatar burritos 
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    With rolling blackouts, do you just take the combustion vehicles?

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    Avatar Kamban 
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    With rolling blackouts, do you just take the combustion vehicles?

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    I doubt that the blackouts will be as severe or as prolonged as in other countries like India, so it should not really matter much. Also most vehicles charge to 90+ % within 5 hours or so, especially if you have a high amp wall charger like a 60 amp wall connector from Tesla. Thirdly the superchargers should always be alewives though there might be some delay for unoccupied  spots. Finally, it might not be a bad idea for one vehicle in a family to be an ICE vehicle.

    I suspect in 2-3 years we might have an EV for me and one for my wife, a hybrid for my daughter ( might be difficult to charge on campus) and one SUV for long trips with a 5 person family or when we require more hauling space or for emergencies like what you mentioned.

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    Avatar Tim 
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    If mom and dad stay over, they might bring 2 also.
    Sooo…. a family of 3 needs to garage 6 vehicles.

    Not complaining, it’s ironic how many earth friendly toys we need.

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    Avatar StarTrekDoc 
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    Brother in law up in the sticks 20acres and huge solar array with batteries  – was up there with Tesla and drove my parents back and charged the car without issues –all off grid yesterday.  Pretty cool.

    PGE still down until tomorrow apparently.

    It’s always nice to have options:  solar+batteries+EV is great combo ;  ICE backup pickup/minivan too.  –covers almost all apocalypse scenarios.

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    So I just did my first solo road trip with the AWD model 3 and can say it was the best road trip experience I’ve had.

    The trip was 750 miles each way, google estimated time to be 11 hours and 15 minutes. The last time I made that trip in an ICE car was around 12 hours I believe because of the stops and having our dog. During that trip, we changed drivers a lot and were pretty tired after getting to our friend’s house.

    The tesla website estimated the trip to take 15 hours, but when plugging it into the in car navigation, it estimated it to be 12.5 hours. abetterrouteplanner said the same.

    The way there it took about 13 hours and 15 minutes because of lots of traffic. It was cold and rainy with passing a few accidents, including a flipped semi truck. Also had to detour through small roads to get there. Only had range anxiety once because it had me getting to the next supercharger with 4% battery left. With it being cold and rainy, I decided to be on the safer side and stop at another supercharging station the car wanted me to skip. Getting to my friend’s house I felt good and helped set up for the celebration party they were having.

    On the way back, much nicer weather without accident traffic and I was able to skip the charger I stopped at on the way there with the overall trip taking the advertised 12.5 hours.

    I have the basic autopilot and it worked really well. I’d estimate that about 80-90% of highway driving was done with the car on autopilot, even in the mild-moderate rain and wet roads. I’d just rest my hand on the wheel to provide slight torque to let it know I was paying attention or just play radio DJ as changing volume or song resets the autopilot nag. It handled most situations perfectly. The car doesn’t seem to like where lanes merge together or add on. Basically when one line disappears and now the line it sees is from the other lane merging on, it would center itself between the two lanes for a short period of time. Another thing the car doesn’t like is when cars drifts into your lane. The car tends to be overly cautious and brake/slow a fair amount as if the car is going to change into your lane (when most human drivers would just think the other car was drifting and not worry too much). It even handled construction zones with new/vague line markings.

    Charging was easy as the car just told me what to do. Stop here, charge for 20-30 minutes and then get to the next stop about 2-3 hours later. The charge usually was around 15-80%. The charging stations had amenities (gas station, supermarket, fast food restaurants) nearby but required a short (100-200 ft) walk. At the charging stops, I usually got a snack/drink, used the restroom then came back to the car. There were a couple of times where I sat in the car for 5 minutes to wait for an extra little bit of charge before heading to the next charger.

    I usually drive pretty conservatively on my morning commute and lifetime average usage was 212 wh/mi. the trip averaged around 270 wh/mi going 75-80 most of the way. I currently have free super charging miles so it was free, but estimated costs were $31 each way for using the superchargers.

    Another thing I noticed was that I’ve gotten so used to the minimalist interior. I sat in my friend’s new lexus rx (I think the middle suv size) and was overwhelmed by all the buttons and knobs everywhere. also their in car navigation was awful like a tomtom from 15 years ago and half of the screen didn’t make any sense. I did notice how it seemed to have slightly less road noise and a more satisfying clunk when closing their door.

    Overall, a very pleasant experience. The seats are comfortable so no real pain from sitting for a long time. Even when I had to readjust my seating position, the car was on autopilot and easier than trying to adjust while steering. As for arriving feeling refreshed, not sure if it was from the forced stops every 2-3 hours or the less mental energy used from autopilot. Half way through the trip I decided to check out car-aoke or the in car karaoke feature and it’s great. Something about singing a karaoke song while driving through the state is fun. Sweet home Alabama, Tennessee whiskey, take me home country roads, new York new York (I didn’t drive through NY but it’s still a great song), party in the usa while driving through the usa

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    Avatar Kamban 
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    Another thing I noticed was that I’ve gotten so used to the minimalist interior. I sat in my friend’s new lexus rx (I think the middle suv size) and was overwhelmed by all the buttons and knobs everywhere. also their in car navigation was awful like a tomtom from 15 years ago and half of the screen didn’t make any sense. I did notice how it seemed to have slightly less road noise and a more satisfying clunk when closing their door.

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    I echo this. I hate the multiple knobs and small touch screen options in my Acura. The clean look is refreshing in the Tesla.

    Yesterday while waiting to pick up my kid I had 15 minutes of full screen Netflix with immersive sound. Amazing. And the parent parked next to me in his Lexus SUV was looking enviously at me.

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    Avatar burritos 
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    Another thing I noticed was that I’ve gotten so used to the minimalist interior. I sat in my friend’s new lexus rx (I think the middle suv size) and was overwhelmed by all the buttons and knobs everywhere. also their in car navigation was awful like a tomtom from 15 years ago and half of the screen didn’t make any sense. I did notice how it seemed to have slightly less road noise and a more satisfying clunk when closing their door. 

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    I echo this. I hate the multiple knobs and small touch screen options in my Acura. The clean look is refreshing in the Tesla.

    Yesterday while waiting to pick up my kid I had 15 minutes of full screen Netflix with immersive sound. Amazing. And the parent parked next to me in his Lexus SUV was looking enviously at me.

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    I must admit, I feel a bit envious whenever I see a tesla. There are a lot of them in my area too. So I’m envious a lot.

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