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  • Avatar Tangler 
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    My point is simple:
    garbage 1, (MJ) might be less toxic than garbage 2, (alcohol) but in my mind it is all garbage.
    Disagree if you want. so what

    As a doc, i cannot endorse stuff that i think is probably harmful, and unlikely helpful and the “medical use” thing was frankly a total joke based on garbage (not science).

    whatever anyone thinks, legal recreational use is here and not going away.
    It is going to be legal, so the government can tax it, and people can make $ on it.
    like lottery tickets and booze the poorest and most ignorant in our society will probably buy the most.

    I just think it is garbage. Not mad at anyone who disagrees.

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    Avatar Dont_know_mind 
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    I think prescribing medical THC is high medicolegal risk.

    At least with prescribing opiates/Opiate maintenance/stimulants there is an evidence base and many other practitioners are doing it.

    I think it is medicalising addiction and avoid that whole area.

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    Zaphod Zaphod 
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    Some garbage is more harmful than others. Thats all anyone was saying.

    No one said you have to or should endorse it.

    I dont think theres any ‘medical’ use either. Thats just a bridge to recreational and full legalization.

    Even if I were not a specialist I would never deal with it as a doctor. Not manage, prescribe, nothing.

     

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    triad triad 
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    <p class=””>saying using/abusing MJ is better than using/abusing alcohol or opioids is like saying having a giant HELOC with an adjustable rate is better than a pay day loan, or mountains of credit card debt.
    Is any of these really a good plan?
    Is this really how people should be “treated” by health care professionals ?
    Got news for you: Life is hard. Life is not fair. Being stoned, or dunk or drugged generally does not improve life and health.
    How about this as a plan: stay sober, exercise, eat right and avoid doing dumb crap, like riding motorcycles 120 mph down the center lane of interstate 5 between cars.
    How about a perscription for that!</p>

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    <p class=””>what percentage of your patients consume alcohol?  I predict that the (vast?) majority do.  sure, ideally, no one would use booze or opioids but we live in the real world.  MJ is clearly better for society then the alternatives.  It’s just not rational for booze (or benzos/opiods) to be legal and pot to be a schedule 1 drug.</p>

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    can you provide data to back up this statement? It’s possible you’re right I just think it’s strange there is so much backing behind medical marijuana when we have little to no research that successfully defends it.

    If you want to legalize recreational marijuana that is one viewpoint. If you think it has medical benefit that is another. Important distinction.

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    <p class=””>Which part?  there have been zero overdose fatalities in the history of time from pot.  we all know how many people die from opioids, alcohol, and tobacco.</p>
    Its very difficult to conduct studies of illegal drugs and I’m sure its not the panacea that some proclaim but its certainly a better alternative to any of the other common recreational drugs.
    <p class=””>Sanjay Gupta has me convinced that it can work wonders for some patients with chronic seizures.   I don’t see how anyone can watch that CNN report (weed – on youtube) and think otherwise.  certainly the little kids weren’t faking those seizures…</p>

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    MPMD MPMD 
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    I have no moral issue with MJ use at all and I think it should be legal for recreation across the board. I would actually probably just decriminalize all drugs if I were King of the world.

    On the issue of “medical MJ” I think I align with our fearless leader Jim who addressed this once I think on a podcast. It’s kind of dumb to call it medical. Yeah it works on certain conditions like anxiety, ?nausea but esp when you are smoking it you are taking uncertain doses often from multiple varieties of the plant. It’s not well studied and we certainly don’t have good data about interactions etc. If you want to smoke MJ I think you should do so with gusto, just don’t confuse it with medicine.

    I mean I love a good drink from time to time and it has all sorts of beneficial effects for me; I do always find it helpful to remember the immortal words of the great Christopher Hitchens that alcohol is a “better friend than master.” That said it lowers stress and anxiety for me (what little I have), makes social situations more fun, and in my case legitimately treats my significant flight anxiety. Moderate alcohol consumption ?might even have some beneficial health effects. I would never call alcohol medical though.

     

     

    Finally, and this is from your friendly neighborhood emergency physician to the youth: don’t start with edibles.

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    Avatar Tim 
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    Does MJ really reduce alcohol consumption?
    Is the health issue with alcohol the driving and injury risk or the alcoholism and health risks?
    It doesn’t matter.
    Abolition of recreational chemicals doesn’t work.
    Regulation comes with inevitable bumps and bruises. DWI “used” to be unfortunate, now it’s “criminal”.
    MJ is a “favored” recreational chemical. Deal wit it and regulate it with the bumps and bruises. Some of those will become criminal as well.

    When’s the last time anyone wrote a prescription for a six pack?

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    childay childay 
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    When’s the last time anyone wrote a prescription for a six pack?

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    Haven’t done it recently but depending on where one works you may still be able to order patients beer in hospital.

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    Zaphod Zaphod 
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    When’s the last time anyone wrote a prescription for a six pack? 

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    Haven’t done it recently but depending on where one works you may still be able to order patients beer in hospital.

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    You probably can still do it at the VA, last place I did it.

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    ENT Doc ENT Doc 
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    Just don’t do this if you’re going to get involved in this space:

    https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ln-doctor-marijuana-20190128-story.html

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    The White Coat Investor The White Coat Investor 
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    I recommend against a lot of things that don’t have any data to support their use and where there exists harm. Marijuana is one of those things. I agree legalizing “medical marijuana” is just a half step to legalization. I also agree alcohol is worse.

    Pretty embarrassing that the voters in my state fell for the “medical marijuana” scam this last Fall. Oh well, life goes on. I had lots of patients on it before and I’ll have lots of patients on it afterward. I wonder if Pringles is sponsoring all these campaigns.

    When it all shakes out, I’m sure there will be a handful of things that marijuana helps with, but it won’t be the 100 things it’s being recommended for right now.

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    Zaphod Zaphod 
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    I wish they would just legalize it fully, across the nations so no doctors have to play or pretend or otherwise be involved in it.

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    portlandia portlandia 
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    I wish they would just legalize it fully, across the nations so no doctors have to play or pretend or otherwise be involved in it.

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    Since full scale legalization here, I’ve been tempted on a few occasions to respond to drug seeking behavior by saying, “Just go get some ganja. It’s legal now, and leave me out of it.”

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