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    We ate lunch at a place today that had a straight 20% service charge instead of a tip. The fine print made it clear the service charge went to the company in lieu of paying its workers a “living wage” (I despise of that term) along with benefits. That was the first time I’d been to a place like that but the service was slow and generally awful. The place gets good reviews so hopefully it was just an off day.

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    Wait, what?  I’m hoping there is just a typo in there somewhere.

     

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    CordMcNally CordMcNally 
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    That’s my fault. The workers get a living wage (this is already in a city with a very high minimum wage) in addition to the benefits while the company gets the 20% service charge.

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    Avatar AR 
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    That’s my fault. The workers get a living wage (this is already in a city with a very high minimum wage) in addition to the benefits while the company gets the 20% service charge.

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    Oh, ok, that makes sense.  It’s just the standard no tipping arrangement.

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    Avatar Nysoz 
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    So how do you even leave money out for a tip? I’m certain I’ve left cash out in hotels and it hasn’t been taken. I never realized tipping hotel maids was a thing.

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    I’ve always just left the money on top of the random provided notepad and pen with a quick scribbled ‘thanks’

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    Re: the original question – 20% on all restaurant orders where a service was provided, even if paying or ordering at the counter (waters being refilled, food brought out to you, checking on you during a meal). $5 on a $40 is too low. I only tip down to 15% when the service was atrocious.

    I don’t like tipping culture but I’m not penalizing workers for it. I don’t like carrying cash but will make sure to hit the ATM before a trip specifically for this purpose. To me, not carrying cash is an insufficient reason to stiff someone when you grew up and live in the US where tipping is part of the culture. ATMs are everywhere. Most banks reimburse a couple withdrawals a month and Schwab always allows free withdrawals.

    Movers – $20-$40 to each individual mover for me, but this varies greatly depending on cost of move, amount of heavy furniture, etc. I’ve tipped lower for atrocious service (smoke breaks every 30 min, refusing to reassemble furniture they agreed to do on signing, not being careful with items) plus I buy lunch/provide drinks for a full day move.

    Hotel maid tips – I didn’t used to, I never knew this was a thing until the last few years, but I also don’t have my room serviced during my stay. But if I do have it serviced I’ve started leaving $5 in an envelope marked for the maid.

    Valet – rarely – but if I do l, $5 on receiving my car

    Shuttles – $1-2 per bag the driver handles, usually round up to $5

    Uber – always hard to decide. Usually $2-5. What do others do here?

    My other question for others – do you tip at all for take out? What about when you’re ordering take out but it’s a decent restaurant (not Pizza Hut)? The pressure of that tip line/Square always throws me for a loop. I feel weird selecting 0% when the server is standing there staring at me, but I also don’t love the feeling of being pressured when I’m picking up my order to go. I tend to tip a buck or two on carry out if it’s a nicer place. Curious what others do here.

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    fatlittlepig fatlittlepig 
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    Re: the original question – 20% on all restaurant orders where a service was provided, even if paying or ordering at the counter (waters being refilled, food brought out to you, checking on you during a meal). $5 on a $40 is too low. I only tip down to 15% when the service was atrocious.

    I don’t like tipping culture but I’m not penalizing workers for it. I don’t like carrying cash but will make sure to hit the ATM before a trip specifically for this purpose. To me, not carrying cash is an insufficient reason to stiff someone when you grew up and live in the US where tipping is part of the culture. ATMs are everywhere. Most banks reimburse a couple withdrawals a month and Schwab always allows free withdrawals.

    Movers – $20-$40 to each individual mover for me, but this varies greatly depending on cost of move, amount of heavy furniture, etc. I’ve tipped lower for atrocious service (smoke breaks every 30 min, refusing to reassemble furniture they agreed to do on signing, not being careful with items) plus I buy lunch/provide drinks for a full day move.

    Hotel maid tips – I didn’t used to, I never knew this was a thing until the last few years, but I also don’t have my room serviced during my stay. But if I do have it serviced I’ve started leaving $5 in an envelope marked for the maid.

    Valet – rarely – but if I do l, $5 on receiving my car

    Shuttles – $1-2 per bag the driver handles, usually round up to $5

    Uber – always hard to decide. Usually $2-5. What do others do here?

    My other question for others – do you tip at all for take out? What about when you’re ordering take out but it’s a decent restaurant (not Pizza Hut)? The pressure of that tip line/Square always throws me for a loop. I feel weird selecting 0% when the server is standing there staring at me, but I also don’t love the feeling of being pressured when I’m picking up my order to go. I tend to tip a buck or two on carry out if it’s a nicer place. Curious what others do here.

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    i don’t tip take out (as in you are picking up the food at the restaurant), otherwise i agree with your numbers.

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    jfoxcpacfp jfoxcpacfp 
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    Re: the original question – 20% on all restaurant orders where a service was provided, even if paying or ordering at the counter (waters being refilled, food brought out to you, checking on you during a meal). $5 on a $40 is too low. I only tip down to 15% when the service was atrocious.

    I don’t like tipping culture but I’m not penalizing workers for it. I don’t like carrying cash but will make sure to hit the ATM before a trip specifically for this purpose. To me, not carrying cash is an insufficient reason to stiff someone when you grew up and live in the US where tipping is part of the culture. ATMs are everywhere. Most banks reimburse a couple withdrawals a month and Schwab always allows free withdrawals.

    Movers – $20-$40 to each individual mover for me, but this varies greatly depending on cost of move, amount of heavy furniture, etc. I’ve tipped lower for atrocious service (smoke breaks every 30 min, refusing to reassemble furniture they agreed to do on signing, not being careful with items) plus I buy lunch/provide drinks for a full day move.

    Hotel maid tips – I didn’t used to, I never knew this was a thing until the last few years, but I also don’t have my room serviced during my stay. But if I do have it serviced I’ve started leaving $5 in an envelope marked for the maid.

    Valet – rarely – but if I do l, $5 on receiving my car

    Shuttles – $1-2 per bag the driver handles, usually round up to $5

    Uber – always hard to decide. Usually $2-5. What do others do here?

    My other question for others – do you tip at all for take out? What about when you’re ordering take out but it’s a decent restaurant (not Pizza Hut)? The pressure of that tip line/Square always throws me for a loop. I feel weird selecting 0% when the server is standing there staring at me, but I also don’t love the feeling of being pressured when I’m picking up my order to go. I tend to tip a buck or two on carry out if it’s a nicer place. Curious what others do here.

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    I agree with most of the above except for counter delivery (because they have fewer responsibilities). Not sure if this has been mentioned in the thread, but alway tip pizza, etc. delivery, have heard plenty of complaints that a lot of ppl just take the food and shut the door in the delivery person’s face and they are not necessary even paid for use of their car!

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    Lordosis Lordosis 
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    If I pick up the food I do not tip.  If it is delivered I do.  I rarely get delivery.

    I have yet to take an Uber.  I know I am behind the times.

    At the barber I tip 20% for myself and more for the kids.  They are way harder then me.  They have more hair and wiggle a lot.   However since that other thread about cutting your own hair I started cutting my boys hair.  It saves a little money and a ton of hassle.  I still get mine at the barber but with my rate of hair loss my days are numbered.

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    I always put a line in the tip section and write in the total amount when I get carry out.

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    Avatar billthom 
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    tipping is out of control in this country.  tip 15% at a restaurant if the service is atrocious???  give me a break.  if I’m dissatisfied with the service, I leave NOTHING.  if I’m really dissatisfied, I leave two pennies.  F that.

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    q-school q-school 
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    So how do you even leave money out for a tip? I’m certain I’ve left cash out in hotels and it hasn’t been taken. I never realized tipping hotel maids was a thing.

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    I’ve always just left the money on top of the random provided notepad and pen with a quick scribbled ‘thanks’

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    i’m told the etiquette is to leave a short note or leave it on the bed.

     

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    Avatar Anne 
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    tipping is out of control in this country.  tip 15% at a restaurant if the service is atrocious???  give me a break.  if I’m dissatisfied with the service, I leave NOTHING.  if I’m really dissatisfied, I leave two pennies.  F that.

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    Rarely is bad service all on the shoulders of the server, but they are the ones who are working solely for tips, and the ones who get blamed due to their role as the customer interface (kind of like doctors getting blamed for all the ails of the healthcare system!)   The service might be slow or the food come out incorrectly or in the wrong order because the kitchen staff is disorganized, or because the business owner doesn’t staff correctly. If your server kicks your shins or is blatantly rude to you that’s one thing, but if the service is not up to par it might be out of their control.  Obviously you can tip how you want, but think about the Press Ganey scores when the patient wasn’t happy with the parking situation or the checkin process or the fact that they waited 30 minutes past their appt time to see you because your boss insisted that your clinic be overbooked.  And imagine if your pay was massively docked if the patient was dissatisfied with their visit due to these factors despite you doing the best you could.

    On a lighter note, who else thinks the movie Waiting is one of the best movies of all time, or at least of the past 20 years?  If you want to save money on eating out, just watch that and it will inspire you to eat all meals at home.  I was going to link a clip but I’m pretty sure it violates the living room rule.

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    SerrateAndDominate SerrateAndDominate 
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    Agree with Anne. Waiting is, in my opinion, by far the most accurate depiction of working at a restaurant. Highly undervalued commodity.

    I usually round up to $5 on shuttles, especially if it’s a hotel provided shuttle. They are saving me about $10-15 that an Uber would cost.

    For take out, I tend to go couple bucks just because of the awkward standing in front of me.

    I don’t think I’ve had “atrocious” service in a while. Having worked as a bus boy in college, I have a very high threshold to criticize service. Some folks have bad days or just finished a bad table.

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    Avatar Larry Ragman 
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    Why can’t we just include tips in the price and pay the workers a fair wage so no one has this problem ever again? 

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    Because:

    1.  Prices look worse and people have no flexibility with respect to how much they will pay.  Demand drops.  Revenue falls for the business.

    2.  What is a “fair wage”?

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    I haven’t been recently but it used to be the the case in Europe that service (tips) were included in menu prices. The servers thought themselves professional and were offended by gauche American tipping practices. For a long time this served as an example that I used to grouse about tipping. But I’ve found more and more that I over tip just because it is part of the compensation package and I’ve observed too many customers stiffing the staff, who are often young and need the money.

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    I’m all for taking care of your waiter, but I find the “young and need the money” argument to be thin. Lots of people other than waiters are young and need the money. My niece is young and needs the money. The homeless guy is young and needs the money. The tech working extra night shifts is young and needs the money.

    It has to be about paying for a service (which I’m happy to do), otherwise you should just buy into socialism and start handing out your cash to everyone.

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