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  • Since this would be our fourth vehicle (for two drivers) I'm aiming for the smaller battery. Whether I will go through with the purchase remains to be seen. Very bare bones for what you pay. Chevy Bolt may be a better value.

     

    My roundtrip commute is 75 miles, 220 miles is nearly triple what I need.

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    • Depends on what you want to get out of the car --

      Since you have 4 cars, I'm making the assumption that the EV is strictly a commute car -- and With a RT commute of 75mi, the EV selection is quite vast and not limited to the Bolt and Model 3 either.

      The KEY reason for the Tesla Model 3 for us is the enhanced Autopilot features; if not for that, the Bolt would have a very viable option as well as the upcoming Leaf 2.0 being announced in Sept.   We're still going to look at the Leaf is they are reported having a decent ProPilot -- but need to see that in action first.

      Our current EVs are dirt cheap leases --essentially free when factoring in gas savings.   So wouldn't Rule out a lease with Fiat 500e either if it's a commuter car.

       

       

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      • A few things about model 3.

        - Enhanced AP (AP2 currently) is still being worked on and hasn't even achieved parity with AP1 (which is what I have). Having said that, I use AP for 80% of my commute to work. That along with a HOV sticker, has made my 30 mile one way daily commute a lot more tolerable.

        - I hold an early reservation for model 3. Probably initially won't pay for AP, but this could be done later (hardware comes standard and features are unlocked with software update). Plus,Tesla has a history of discounting software update features down the road (even though they say otherwise). Like they recently offered MX 60D owners a software upgrade to 75D for just a few grand.

        - If you are not an early reservation holder, there is high likelihood you won't get any of the $7500 tax credit. Tesla is at about 120,000 cars sold now (I believe). If all goes well, they should be at 200,000 in early 2018. $7500 credit on $35000 car is huge.

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        • AP2 just got an update a few weeks ago and we test drove it (on S 75D) yesterday in traffic and it's a lot better than early January.  The summon worked well too -- so hopefully near parity to AP1 as the reviews say it is .   One thing I'm disappointed is no active alarm for backup alert (nor emergency backup brake) or blind side warning when NOT in AP2.

          We're Day 1 reservation holders and believe Tesla is timing the production to cross early Qtr 1 (Jan 2018) to maximize the phaseout which would then mean $7500 out on June 2018.   Our delivery time luckily is Jan-Mar 2018 for the smaller battery.   We're adding the AP2 just to make sure we're a little up on in the line and not butting that $7500 cut off mark.  -- If the rampup doesn't make it, we'll squeeze into the larger battery just because of that cutoff, but anticipate not an issue.    (since you're talking HOV -- that's Cali talk, and we have the $2500 Cali rebate too).

          That's why for those looking at strictly a commute car without AP2, Fiat Lease is essentially a free car in California.  The Model 3 is going to be nice ride with AP2 for $30,000 post rebates .

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          • Depends on what you want to get out of the car —

            Since you have 4 cars, I’m making the assumption that the EV is strictly a commute car — and With a RT commute of 75mi, the EV selection is quite vast and not limited to the Bolt and Model 3 either.

            The KEY reason for the Tesla Model 3 for us is the enhanced Autopilot features; if not for that, the Bolt would have a very viable option as well as the upcoming Leaf 2.0 being announced in Sept.   We’re still going to look at the Leaf is they are reported having a decent ProPilot — but need to see that in action first.

            Our current EVs are dirt cheap leases –essentially free when factoring in gas savings.   So wouldn’t Rule out a lease with Fiat 500e either if it’s a commuter car.

             

             
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            Neither the Leaf nor Fiat 500e is a suitable commuter car for a 75 mi roundtrip - not in real world driving with hills, heating, windshield wipers and defoggers, and 70-75 mph freeway commute, all of which will be an issue for my drive. It's Leaf 2.0, Bolt, or Tesla. I don't have tons of confidence in Nissan or Chevy, and Tesla is an unknown entity, but I put my reservation down Apr 1 just to have the option.

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            • AP2 just got an update a few weeks ago and we test drove it (on S 75D) yesterday in traffic and it’s a lot better than early January.  The summon worked well too — so hopefully near parity to AP1 as the reviews say it is .   One thing I’m disappointed is no active alarm for backup alert (nor emergency backup brake) or blind side warning when NOT in AP2.

              We’re Day 1 reservation holders and believe Tesla is timing the production to cross early Qtr 1 (Jan 2018) to maximize the phaseout which would then mean $7500 out on June 2018.   Our delivery time luckily is Jan-Mar 2018 for the smaller battery.   We’re adding the AP2 just to make sure we’re a little up on in the line and not butting that $7500 cut off mark.  — If the rampup doesn’t make it, we’ll squeeze into the larger battery just because of that cutoff, but anticipate not an issue.    (since you’re talking HOV — that’s Cali talk, and we have the $2500 Cali rebate too).

              That’s why for those looking at strictly a commute car without AP2, Fiat Lease is essentially a free car in California.  The Model 3 is going to be nice ride with AP2 for $30,000 post rebates .
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              I had my car at the service center 2 weeks ago and was given brand new MS with 479 miles on the clock with latest software (still latest). AP2 is not even close to parity- severe ping ponging in lanes, truck hugging, sudden accelerations/decelerators gave me a whip lash. I turned it off after 10 minutes. It will get better, no doubt. But I think it will take much longer than people think.

              IMHO planning/timing of tax credit the way you describe it may not work. Too many moving parts. Its best to try to get the car ASAP and hope for the best.

              CRVP $2500 CA rebate phases out at $300K annual income. I am out of luck.

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              • Unfortunately (or fortunately) never experienced AP1 to compare --  I was okay with AP2 action in the stop/go traffic on 805.  I did try to the different settings and the closer/tighter setting was a bit more jarring on the reactions, but setting 4 was good for me.

                Being internist -- <$300k;  and even trying to see how to manage both $7500 and the higher cali if title under my parents ($35k income only) and me.   Accountant we meh on that prospect.

                I'm watching the reports closely on the 1st run releases closely.  Trying to convince my sister to get 1st run to really get a sense of the timing.  You're right, don't want to be penny wise pound foolish on the deadline.

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                • Day 1 Model 3 reservation holder and lease of both the Spark EV and Fiat500 EV on crazy cheap leases ($100/mo) that are up Spring 2018, so timing for our $35k base model is good.  100 mi commuter does most of the job, but we still have ICE cars as backup for long local day trips.

                   

                  We’re upgrading it for one reason only — Autopilot — so costs anticipated:  $35 + $5 enhanced AP – $7.5 fed tax – $2.5 CA tax credit =

                  $30,000 Tesla 3 with Enhanced AutoPilot.

                  That’s not a bad deal as the closest comps are Leaf 2.0 and Bolt and neither of those too have shown any progress toward Autopilot inroads and we want that experience and luxury.

                  For our daily local family hauler, we have our sites on the Niro EV to replace the Odyssey+CRV.   We need space to haul 2+2+dog.
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                  I am also a day 1 reservation holder (x2, 1 of them is going to my father) and current Model S AP1 owner.  My delivery window for the standard battery is Dec-Feb and Jan-Mar for each of my reservations.  Tesla should reach 200,000 US deliveries around Q1 2018, meaning the $7500 tax credit is available for that quarter and also the following Q2 2018.  Which would probably allow us to claim the full credit up until mid-2018, at which point it goes down to $3750.

                  I am also very excited to get a relatively affordable car with all of the Tesla goodness and full self driving some day.  I use AP1 on my daily commute and in bumper to bumper traffic.  It is a huge stress reliever and just a dream to experience.  FSD will just take this to a whole different level...

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                  • Nope. Nissan Leaf instead. Got some amazing discounts.
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                    We did too! 3 years old for less than $10k. Amazing car second. No it's not a Tesla but we love it. Easy takes two kids (11 and 10) and all their baseball equipment to games. In the summer we put more than 1000 miles a month on it. I love driving it so much, if we both have to go someplace at the same time and I can drop my wife off and pick her up, I'll take one car and do it!

                    BTW - My Wife uses it daily as her commute car (b/c her commute is longer) and loves it equally.

                    I love the car so much, I'm seriously considering purchasing a second one (used of course) then renting a car whenever we travel further than it can go. Or continue to save for the Tesla I actually want. We would exceed it's range 6-8x a year and renting through Avis is easy (IMO) for those times we travel out of the area.

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                    • I love the car so much, I’m seriously considering purchasing a second one (used of course)
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                      With all of the federal, state, local, and dealer discounts, we paid $7,500 (plus taxes and title and registration) for a brand new one. Saves $1000+ a year in gas, even if we pay for all electric costs. Came with 2 years of free charging, so we're really saving!

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                      • I am also a day 1 reservation holder (x2, 1 of them is going to my father) and current Model S AP1 owner.  My delivery window for the standard battery is Dec-Feb and Jan-Mar for each of my reservations.  Tesla should reach 200,000 US deliveries around Q1 2018, meaning the $7500 tax credit is available for that quarter and also the following Q2 2018.  Which would probably allow us to claim the full credit up until mid-2018, at which point it goes down to $3750.
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                        It is highly optimistic that Tesla can go from building zero M3 to 200,000 in 9-12 months. I'm a huge Tesla fan but I am highly skeptical of these claims. Even if they made 200,000 Model S each year (which they don't) it's going to be hard to scale to those levels so quickly.

                        They will obviously maximize the number of consumers who can take advantage of that tax credit. Car 199,999 will be 'held' until the next quarter (if they are smart) then deliver a whole bunch in 3 months. I bet they already have a storage area setup

                        I hope you get your car ASAP though and that it's an awesome vehicle.

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                        • For those of you with a Leaf, is your auto insurance rate pretty comparable to a gas burning car? I ask because a friend of mine bought a Honda Civic CNG and he discovered later the insurance premium almost doubled compared to his previous non-CNG Civic.

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                          • For points of reference for EV:  Fiat 500e:  $900 and Spark EV: $850   AAA insurance with good driving record and $500 deductibles.

                            Will hopefully give Tesla Model 3 in a few months

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                            • I love the car so much, I’m seriously considering purchasing a second one (used of course) 
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                              With all of the federal, state, local, and dealer discounts, we paid $7,500 (plus taxes and title and registration) for a brand new one. Saves $1000+ a year in gas, even if we pay for all electric costs. Came with 2 years of free charging, so we’re really saving!
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                              Folks am I missing something?  You're saying you got a new car, that starts at $30K+, for $7,500 new?  Even three years old used for less than $10K seems insane...

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                              • Adventure got a killer deal.

                                Ongoing base Leaf is about $29,000+tax.  Some places are running a $10,000 discount with the outgoing Leaf because the new Leaf 2.0 is releasing in 2 weeks.  That brings to $19,000 and then fed gives $7500 tax credit = $11500.  Then state and local utilities are in play too.   So negotiated can be lower.

                                The outgoing Leaf is quite capable local hauler, but that's about all it is.   Looking forward to a 150miler and hopefully extended 200miler that we can check out to compare to the Kia Niro EV for our CR-V replacement

                                 

                                 

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