Spending $200K in Retirement and Paying $0 in Income Tax
“Look at our government spending! There’s no way we can handle this without tax rates going way up in the future!”
Sometimes it looks like this:
“All that tax-deferred money? Your RMDs are going to be so huge you’re going to get killed on the taxes!”
What these folks don’t tell you, however, is that for many retirees, taxes are an almost trivial expense. Let me explain, but just for fun, let’s take it to an extreme. Let’s imagine a retiree who is spending $200K a year while paying $0 in federal income tax. How can that be possible?
Well, let’s imagine a married couple, both 60 years old, with a $2 Million traditional IRA, a $500K Roth IRA, a $100K HSA, a paid for $600K house, and a $1 Million taxable account. They have no rental properties, have no pensions, and take the standard deduction. They have one kid still in college and they paid some of his tuition during this tax year. What is their tax bill? Well, it depends, but there are a number of ways to make it $0.
How to Pay $0 Taxes in Retirement
Method # 1
Take all $200K out of the Roth IRA. Voila, no taxes due!
Method # 2
Have the $1M invested completely in municipal bonds. Perhaps it spits out $30K in income and you sell another $170K of them and the basis is the value. Again, no tax due.
Method # 3
Take out a $200K home equity line of credit against the house. Spend it. No tax due.
Not realistic? Okay, fair enough. Those are all a little extreme, but you’re starting to see how this process works. Let’s come up with a more realistic scenario and show that the tax bill could still be $0.
Let’s say half that taxable account is invested in muni bonds paying 3%, basis about equal to value. The other half is invested in stock index funds with a yield of 2% where basis is 75% of value. Besides that tax-free interest ($15K) from the munis and those qualified dividend/LTCGs from the stocks ($10K), they’ll need a few other sources of spending money. Let’s say they take $48K from their traditional IRA, $2K (spent on health care) from the HSA, $50K from the Roth IRA, and sell $50K of the munis and $25K of the stock index funds. How is each source of spending money taxed?
- Traditional IRA withdrawal – taxed at ordinary rates
- HSA withdrawal spent on health care – tax-free
- Roth IRA withdrawal – tax-free
- Muni bond interest – tax-free
- Stock index fund qualified dividends – qualified dividend rates
- Sale of muni bonds – tax-free
- Sale of index funds – 1/4 ($7,250) taxable at LTCG rates
Let’s add it all up.
You’ve got $135,750 that is completely tax-free. That leaves us $64,250 in taxable income, $48K at ordinary rates and $16,250 at the lower qualified dividend/LTCG rates. Subtract out the $24,400 standard deduction. Now you’re left with $23,600 at ordinary rates and $16,250 at LTCG rates. That puts them just a little into the 12% bracket as shown below in this graphic courtesy of The Tax Foundation.
So the tax bill right now is 10% * $19,400 + 12% * ($23,600 – $19,400) = $2,444.
But what about those capital gains? Well, let’s take a look at those brackets:
What do you see there? Look at the middle column, first line. That’s right. 0%. That $16,250K in qualified dividends and long-term capital gains? Tax-free.
Getting to a $0 Tax BillAmerican Opportunity Tax Credit is only partially refundable and only up to $2,500 spent on tuition, books, and fees. Since they spent at least that much on Junior, that takes $2,500 off their tax bill.
$2,499 – $2,500 = a $1 refund. They got to spend $200K and owe $0 in Federal income tax. $0 in Social Security tax. $0 in Medicare tax. Probably $0 in state income tax. Sure, they’ve still got some property tax, gas tax, and sales tax to pay and those little nickel and dime fees on their cell phone bills, but compared to what this couple was paying during their working years? Not even close. Notice this didn’t require any fancy, schmancy tax techniques. There’s no home equity loan or margin account. No whole life insurance policy or annuity. Just boring old mutual funds inside the usual investing accounts we talk about all the time around here.
Isn’t it amazing what an understanding of the tax code plus the use of tax-protected accounts can do! Note that this isn’t necessarily how the couple should manage their money. Honestly, they should probably be paying more in taxes now voluntarily in order to pay less later by doing Roth conversions and spending tax-deferred money instead of Roth money. They should also probably be using taxable bonds instead of muni bonds given their tax bracket, but I just wanted to show you what is possible.
How to Minimize Retirement Taxes While Drawing Social Security
This 60-year-old couple didn’t qualify for Social Security, but what if we turned the clock ahead a decade. Now they’re 70, junior is a couple of years out of his own residency, they’re required to start taking RMDs, and they’re collecting $30K a year in Social Security benefits. How does the income stack up now?
Social Security is paying them $30K, 85% of which is taxable as ordinary income.
Those munis are still kicking out $15K a year in tax-free income and the index funds are kicking out $10K/year of qualified dividends. They’re paying their Medicare premiums out of the HSA and between that and their health care expenses, they pulled out $8K from the HSA this year. That leaves $65K to come from somewhere. Let’s say they sell $30K of the muni bonds and withdraw $35K from the Roth IRA. How is all that taxed?
- RMD $72K – ordinary income tax rates
- SS $30K * 85% = $25,500 – ordinary income tax rates.
- $8K from HSA – Tax free
- Muni interest $15K – tax-free
- Muni bond sales $30K – tax-free (basis equal to value)
- Index fund dividends $10K – dividend tax rates
What’s the tax bill look like?
Well, if you subtract the $24,400 standard deduction from the $97,500 taxed at ordinary income tax rates, that leaves you with $73,100. The tax bill on that is 10% * 19,050 + 12% * $73,100 – $19,400 = $8,384 plus something like $1,400 more for the taxable portion of the qualified dividends. $200K to spend and less than $10K in taxes. Does that sound like a “tax bomb” to you? It doesn’t to me either.
Only Thing We Have To Fear is Fear Itself
Don’t let anybody scare you into doing something stupid with your investments with the implications of rising taxes, being in higher brackets, or required minimum distributions. You’ll probably be paying something in taxes during your retirement, but it will likely be less money than you paid in taxes as a resident. Max out your tax-protected accounts, especially the tax-deferred ones during your peak earnings years and the tax-free ones in other years. Do Backdoor Roth IRAs. Invest in an HSA if you use a HDHP. Invest in a tax-efficient way in your taxable accounts. Be smart how you withdraw from the accounts and you’ll be fine without any sort of extreme solution.
What do you think? Did you know that you could spend that much in retirement without paying any taxes? How can you combine a knowledge of the tax code with the use of tax-protected accounts to further reduce your taxes? Comment below!